Game Preview #69: Bulls at Oklahoma City Thunder
[Note by your friendly BullsBlogger, 03/18/09 1:27 PM CDT : Thanks to wjb1942 for today's game preview. I'm going to be out of town through Saturday night, so play nice. Or don't play nice and at least flag eachother. -ed.]
Chicago Bulls (31-37, 10-26 road) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (19-48, 14-20 home), 7:00 p.m. start.
With the Bulls coming off a win over the defending champ Celtics, and visiting the team with the 5th worst record in the league, anyone who doesn't follow the team closely might make the mistake of assuming tonight's game will be an easy win for the Bulls. Unfortunately, in this case the records are a bit deceiving.
As so depressingly put by our friendly BullsBlogger in last night's post,
But it was just another night where the Bulls shot well. They did get out and run (even off of opposing makes) more, and you can tell Miller and Salmons have played together before, but I didn't seem them suddenly develop an offensive scheme . . . .
But the Bulls, you can't really tell when they are 'clicking' or not, it's more of a function of the results. They looked good on offense because they were hitting shots, and have guys who can score one-on-one. The Bulls defense still stunk, though that's a bit more expected when being, ahem, unconventional.
I'm sure everyone here is sick of hearing this, but the Bulls still haven't won on the road since new rotation guys Brad Miller, John Salmons, and Tim Thomas joined the team, 7 road losses in a row. The team's overall margin of victory over this stretch is -.77, an improvement over the season as a whole, but still on the wrong side of 0. They are 6-0 at home over the same stretch, however, and 2 of the last 3 road losses were extremely close, with the Bulls coming up just short on a Dwyane Wade buzzer beater and a tough final :22 in Philly. Maybe this means the Bulls are about ready to pull one off on the road?
Meanwhile, the Thunder have been playing well of late. The OKC paper was kind enough to include this little blurb in the paper after the Thunder's big Monday win over the Spurs, saving me the trouble of figuring it out on my own:
The Thunder has struggled on the road but is 12-6 in the Ford Center since New Year’s Eve. Of the six losses, three were buzzer-beaters (Chris Paul and two by Carmelo Anthony). Another was a two-point loss to Houston. The other two were fourth-quarter heroics by MVP candidates Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant.
"This crowd is unbelievable,” said Kevin Durant. "During the fourth quarter, I was trying to talk to Thabo (Sefolosha), and he couldn’t hear me. That’s always a good sign.”
As I just learned from Welcome to Loud City, the OKC Thunder blog, a win tonight against the Bulls would give the Thunder their first ever season sweep over an opponent. Since adding our friend Thabo to the lineup last month, the Thunder are playing .500 ball; however, with a -2.67 overall scoring margin. Thabo is averaging 13.3 points on .478 shooting, along with 6 rebounds, 2.1 assists, and 2.7 steals in 38.1 minutes per game in March so far. These are pretty close to his per minute numbers for the season, but he's a great fit on the Thunder team so is getting the PT he didn't in Chicago. It will be interesting to see him in action against his old team.
In summary, the Thunder have developed into a very solid home team, and the Bulls suck on the road. With the postseason rapidly approaching, and the Bulls looking more likely to stick around for the early festivities (even if only as first round fodder), any road win would be nice at this point. Accuscore has the Bulls winning 54% of the game simulations, while cbssportsline.com has the Bulls losing by 1. Aside from their records, the teams are actually a closer match statistically than I would have expected: the big exception seems to be 3 point shooting, where the Bulls are among the league best and the Thunder toward the bottom.
Around the leauge, the 4 teams breathing down the Bulls' necks for that final playoff spot are all in action as well. The Bucks (1/2 game back of the Bulls) host the Magic, the Bobcats (1 1/2 games back) host the Kings, and the Knicks (2 games back) host the Nets (2 1/2 games back). If the Magic come to play, a Bulls win would give the team a bit more of a cushion for the stretch run.
And finally, a couple of fun stats for the game tonight:
Ben shoots best on 0 days rest.
Derrick is shooting free throws at 93% in March, after only 71% in February
Kirk scores more points (average) on Wednesday than any other day
John shoots the 3 best and scores more (average) on Wednesdays
The Bulls are now 2-0 when Tyrus shoots 10-13 from the free throw line.
Tim has made 6 of 10 3-pointers over the last 3 games (try to ignore the fact that this means he has shot 3 for 11 inside the arc!)
Joakim shoots free throws best on Wednesdays
Brad scores more points (average) on Wednesdays, and shoots best on 0 days rest
With all that, how can the Bulls fail? (Wait, don't answer that!)
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no females exist on the internets
:P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I have some bad news for you ...
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Shoot, thanks - I'll fix it now.
Wow, how many years has that been? 7? My brain is a scary place some days.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
The late 90s version was my favorite
BJ Armstrong, Anthony Mason, JR Reid, Vlade Divac, Glen Rice, and Dell Curry, now that’s some mediocre talent.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh
i havent been angry at d-rose all year…..no matter what hes done, i havent minded it at all just because i feel he has to screw up to get things right…however….he better kik westbrooks ass tonight….llike no question….if he doesnt play at a high level for the rest of the year…..he at least better bring it all today. I better see westbrook crossed a thousand times, dunked on, blocked, and put up abysmal numbers….while rose goes for 30 and 12. I dont even care if hinrich doesnt play today….my wish for today is for rose to give all bulls fans ammo, so if westbrook does win the rookie of the year, all bulls fans can point to this game and say, yea…but rose destroyed westbrook in his own house…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Honestly, I could care less.
It really doesn’t matter to me whether Rose wins ROY. He hasn’t been clearly better than the other candidates, so there’s no indignation. What I care about is whether he’s in the running for MVPs 3-5 years from now. (Actually, I don’t even really care about that. I care about the Bulls contending for championships in 3-5 years, and Rose happens to be a big part of that; don’t get me wrong, I like the kid as a person and player, but it’s team uber alles for me).
In that vein, I’d much rather see Rose developing chemistry with Noah and Tyrus, those two guys playing consistently, and the team generally playing good basketball than Rose’s stat line be better than Westbrook’s.
(Full disclosure: Westbrook is on my fantasy team. As is Thabo, for that matter.)
agreed.
Didn’t Carmelo beat LeBron for ROY because his team made the playoffs? Or was that just Mike Wilbon saying it should be that way? I suppose the point is that I don’t even remember.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Carmelo was ROY.
It doesn’t matter.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
nah, lebron got ROY
the whole winning team thing is dumb especially when it comes to ROY since the top picks are usually on terrible teams. but if a great rookie can lead his team to the postseason, that is worth something, so that will certainly go in rose’s favor if the bulls get there since he’s played such a big role on the team.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Meh. If that were true, Gordon would have won over Okafor.
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Well we know BG would've won over Okafor if Skiles didnt typecast him
as a 6th man. So then people didnt feel so bad giving Okafor the award because they could just give BG 6th man of the year
they could've given BG ROY
and Tyson Chandler 6th man. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Skiles should have gotten Coach of the Year as well
Screw D’Antoni, he doesn’t teach defense.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
like i said a while ago
skiles took a team of about 4 rookies ino the playoffs.
any coach could have done what dantoni did with, nash, amare, marion, joe johnson, and quientin
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
well that's what i've been reading
i’m not pulling it out of my ass. that some people are influenced by the fact the bulls are a better team.
as dils points out, i think ben would have won if he hadn’t been “6th man” and i was certainly in favor of giving him the nod. i think part of the thing with that is that people viewed it as “team success” with hinrich only being a 2nd year player and luol and duhon coming in with ben so it was like “the young core playing well” or whatever, i dunno. i’d’ve thought the team’s success might have given him a bump, but the stupid 6th man thing did get in his way.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The only award I REALLY want to see Rose win
is Finals MVP, since that is almost always given to a player from the winning team.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jerry west right
my 2k9 quiz knowledge is failing me right now…….jerry west somehow won the finals mvp even though his team lost? Whoever it was, i wanna know what kind of performance that person put on in order to achieve such a goal….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Correct.
This does not break thinks down further than playoffs and regular season, but the 1969 playoff numbers are impressive.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 18, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
REC'D
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Mar 18, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
before getting to tonights game
entertain urselfs to this video of some of the best plays from the league last week. there is some derrick rose talk towards the end of the video.
and there should be a link at the bottom for an interview with ahmad rashad, payton, and webber talking to salmons after last nights game.
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
yea the philly one
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
Of course, we will all still watch
I think that’s half the fun. I forgot how it is to be a fan of a team you actually expect things from.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Debating on the 8th seed or late 1st rounder is fun for me.
Joke’s on us, either way, because this team is fucked beyond repair this year (and the next).
You guys ready for King Selfolosha?
I bet he could sneak into the MVP race too.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I hear Thabo Sefolosha is the greatest person in the world to average 11 points for 2 weeks
Wilt Chamberlain’s corpse is afraid of all the records Thabo will soon break.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Less snarkily
he is averaging tons of steals and blocks, too (which is very helpful in fantasy), and that team has tightened up its defense since he arrived.
I also believe he cured AIDS, cancer, the common cold
And on weekends he rounds up all the fat Oklahomans for square dancing and salads. Do you also know he is a mild-mannered reporter at the Daily Planet by day, billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne at noon, geeky student Peter Parker in the afternoon, and Swiss demigod by night?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Federer is god.
Not much room behind him.
The Game chose him !
Be afraid
I predict a loss tonight. We always play down to the level of competition. OKC has already beaten us.
Westbrook should have a good game against D Rose. In fact, in some ways Westbrook is better than Derrick(defense and rebounding). Of course Derrick will have a much better career and is a better shooter and passer. I think Westbrook will be a problem for Derrick just like Rondo is.
If we win tonight, it’ll be great but I can see us losing. Durant is a scoring machine.
tonight’s game is scary. we loss to them before and we can’t win on the road. and coming off a big win last night. it might be a trip game. we might let this one slip through our fingers. but i hope we win by 30.
This is a key game that would be great for us to win.
Great game preview (rec) by wjb1492 who correctly points out how many times we have lost games just like this. The Thunder just beat San Antonio so this will not be an easy game.
Isn't San Antonio sitting Duncan out for a few games now?
Did he get hurt in that Thunder game? Mmm…Thunderdome. They should have Mad Max themed everything.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
OKC is favored by 1.5 pts in this game :(
I used to think coaches were overrated...
We're going to win tonight
We won’t play down to a team that already beat us at home, and we aren’t going to let Thabo Sefolosha beat us – the guy’s a bum. Salmons will contain Durant, Rose will outplay Westbrook, and Robert Swift is on the team.
you might have too much confidence
OKC is a good team. I hope we can beat them but that 1.5 pts favorite for OKC is right.
by i_like_turtles on Mar 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You lost me at "will outplay, won't play down"
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cool stats
Where did you get them?
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Mar 20, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
The player splits stuff?
ESPN (and several other similar sites if you despise the worldwide leader of suckage) list player splits for a bunch of different scenarios. The links from each player’s name should go to their splits page, although I have to confess I didn’t double check all of them.
From there, I just cherry-picked the splits stats that made each player look best for the OKC game.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Oh, except Tim and Tyrus
They didn’t have any particularly positive stats for Wednesday games, or 0 days rest, etc., so I just found stuff in the gamelog for each.
Also, now that they’ve played another Wednesday game/game on 0 days rest/whatever other criteria, thus adding more data, those stats may not be accurate anymore.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

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