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Bulls 127, Celtics 121: Bulls can win home games against teams missing nearly-entire frontcourts

Let it not be forgotten that the Bulls, while overall pretty cruddy,  do indeed have weapons.

So when they're facing a Celtics team that's without Kevin Garnett, and then missing frontcourt reserves Davis, Scalabrine, and Leon Powe (who was injured after 4 minutes of play tonight), the Bulls can score in bunches...when at home and shooting well.

They were even able to trot out a 4-guard (Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Salmons) lineup for most of the fourth, with either Brad Miller or Tyrus Thomas as the lone big man, and they actually held on to the lead, mostly because Brad Miller is awesome.

But it was just another night where the Bulls shot well. They did get out and run (even off of opposing makes) more, and you can tell Miller and Salmons have played together before, but I didn't seem them suddenly develop an offensive scheme, just use the weapons they have to score. Like the aforementioned Brad Miller, Ben Gordon, and John Salmons, who had 38 tonight. Derrick Rose wasn't spectacular but did have some fantastic drives in that 4th quarter.

Tyrus Thomas started the game hot, both with jumpshooting and by getting to the line, finishing with 13 FTAs on his way to 18 points in 26 minutes. Not sure why he only received 26, I was told he only gets fewer minutes when he's not playing well. And Noah played even less.

But there will be minutes casualties when Kirk Hinrich plays 36 (had some nice defensive moments, but come on....) and you get healthy doses of three and four-guard lineups. I still hate it to death, and it's a neverending feeling of frustration that there's still no idea who to use in 4th quarters, with the season nearly over. Nice that it worked against a decimated (especially up front) team. That's better than the alternative result, which we've seen plenty of times with similar lineups in the past.

But I didn't see any grand change in play, just some talented players, in fact at many points more talented than what the Celtics had left. You can tell how different the Celtics defense is without Garnett (and others), because that's a team effort. Players are out and it falls apart. But the Bulls, you can't really tell when they are 'clicking' or not, it's more of a function of the results. They looked good on offense because they were hitting shots, and have guys who can score one-on-one. The Bulls defense still stunk, though that's a bit more expected when being, ahem, unconventional.

Now if they can beat the Thunder tomorrow, that'd be something. Not like 'carrying momentum' something, since I don't think there's any to carry. But it'd be a solid road win for the first time in a while. The Thunder are playing well, and are playing some defense recently. But when watching the Bulls, I can't expect consistency until they actually are a coached team, not just a bunch of weapons.

(I wasn't kidding when I said that loss at Charlotte really killed my playoff dreams)

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have no fear Matt
(I wasn’t kidding when I said that loss at Charlotte really killed my playoff dreams)

Hollinger’s Playoff Odds has the Bulls at nearly a 60% chance to get into the playoffs, and B-R Playoff Probability Report has them at a 51% chance to make it, with their nearest competition having only a 28.4% chance of making it (the Bucks).

Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger

by fundamentallysound on Mar 18, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not making the playoffs, actually doing something.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, right.

yeah, that’s not happening.

Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger

by fundamentallysound on Mar 18, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As fun as this game was, and it was really fun

I still have zero faith that this is some kind of sign of things to come. I can easily see this team going out and losing four of it’s next five or something like that. Just because they still don’t have any identity as a group.

YFBB put it best when he said above: “They looked good on offense because they were hitting shots, and have guys who can score one-on-one.” That’s the issue, was this just a case of a team with talent making shots? Or, is it that the team is starting to actually play well together? Who the hell knows, but I get the feeling that tomorrow will be a crappy day and the Bulls will resort to the same unorganized, lethargic road play that we’ve seen from them in the past. Why should we think this time will be any different?

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 18, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The team has an identify.

They’re great at home, crap on the road.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like multiple identitys to me;)

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 18, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we're Utah.

Except not that good.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly Right

Solid win, but it was mostly attributable to shot making out of one on one sets. I’m glad that Salmons was hot tonight, but his eight second iso’s on the wing followed by three pointers are not recipes for long term success.

What happened to Tyrus tonight in the name of the veteran push for the playoffs was a joke. No better way to reward an aggressive first quarter than by sitting him for eight minutes in the 2nd and then for large stretches in the 2nd half. As soon as Doc went to the uber-small (and stupid) lineup, Tyrus should have found his way into the game to run screen rolls and get fouled – he would have been fouled nearly every time. And if you didn’t want him guarding Pierce, hide him on Marbury or Eddie House – they won’t beat him to the rack.

I’m glad Brad Miller had a solid game, but his performance will only give Vinny the excuse to continue playing “veterans” for the playoff push. Ugh.

I am also very concerned with Rose’s development. It seems as if it takes him until the 4th quarter to attack a screen roll. Otherwise, he’s content to let the showing big man dissuade him from turning the corner, so he just backs it out. Painful.

Let’s see what happens tomorrow night – a lot of matchup problems presented by the Thundercats. I’m envisioning a lot of Tim Thomas, a 2-9 shooting line from the arc by Salmons…and an L.

by Gene Banks on Mar 18, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Watching the game was indeed painful.

Egh.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Mar 18, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buzzkill

Your friendly WetBlanket may be entirely correct, but I still wish I’d logged off tonight before reading the assessment. Too soon for a reality check – I’d like to enjoy the win a little longer, especially with a road game coming up in less than 24 hours!

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heh, fair enough

I similarly wish I didn’t read through the gamethread, yikes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

They were without Garnett, we were without Deng

Even

Heh

by Option27 on Mar 18, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

hah!

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 18, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh snap

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bah humbug 2 u 2

..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...

by Belize on Mar 18, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've come to realize....

that when the Bulls beat a quality team that I start seeing good things to come, but that usually follows with a disappointing loss from a really bad team. So I’m gonna keep my expectations for these Bulls low for now, that way I won’t get too disappointed and hopefully they will continue to play well. Let’s just hope for some consistency and maybe a win on the road against the lowly but improving Thunder.

by aznsensation on Mar 18, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s funny how we’re playing OKC tonight….hopefully the fact that they’ve been a somewhat resurgent OKC though of late can get us ready to take them as a real team and then we might be able to win….but the roadness doesn’t help things….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls once again have a chance to reach the Holy Grail.

A win tomorrow would mean they have won 3 in a row for the 2nd time this season, which would be truly amazing, astounding, almost earthshaking. But don’t hold your breath, Bulls fans.

As Matt so succintly put it "It’s a neverending feeling of frustration that there’s still NO IDEA WHO TO USE IN THE 4TH QUARTER with the season nearly over. If this frustrates the fans, think how the players must feel, with no one sure of his role.
The sad truth is I doubt if Vinny has a clue either.

Is it matchups?, the “hot hand”?, the cold hand?, 3 guard lineups?, go big?, go small?, play almost everyone out of position depending on the circumstances?, go with his gut?, lose track of the situation?, play man-to-man?, play zone?, constantly switch?, go with the veterans at crunch time?, have Ben take the last shot?, or Derrick?, or Salmons?, or freelance? Play Kirk or Ben or Derrick ?, Play Tyrus or Tim?, If Luol comes back, play him over Salmons? or vice-versa? Now that Noah’s got his mojo back, but Brad is contributing big time, who should get the nod?, run more pick and roll, or pick and pop, or just ISO our best players? Pick up the pace? run more half court sets to get ready for the playoffs, if we somehow make it to the 8th seed?

What is Vinny thinking to himself?
So many decisions, and so little knowledge. What’s a novice coach supposed to do? About the only thing I’m absolutely sure of is I’ll continue to start Tyrus, but if he doesn’t play a perfect game, I’ll yank his ass out of there and he won’t see the light of day unless it’s garbage time, or if we need a defensive stop in the last 22 seconds. If I lean too heavily on my staff, people might notice I really haven’t yet developed a cohesive game plan and we’re running out of time. So I guess I’ll continue to do what I have been doing all along, and just play it by ear until I complete memorizing and implementing my training videos I bought off NBA.tv GO BULLS.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to add that Vinny is still lamenting the loss of Noce, Gooden and Larry.

With those heady veterans, his job was made a lot simpler in crunch time knowing he could lean on their grit and experience. But now he has to overcome this handicap by picking the best fruit from his new crop. And with the loss of Deng, it makes it even more confusing on who he has to pull out in the 4th quarter since Luol is already on the bench in street clothes and Aaron is no longer part of the mix.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And deep too

especially with Gray, Roberson, Johnson and Hunter waiting tn the wings to take the Bulls over the top.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Hinrich, Miller, and TiT, right?

We have the bench and then we have the bench warmers.

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by cranscape on Mar 18, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that was sarcasm.

Maybe we can (but probably not)?

by Granny Waiters on Mar 18, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wanted to apologize

for hinrichs reverse layup. I havent seen the game, but pretty much everyone i talked to about the game told me about that….had an easy layup, tried to do a reverse, and screwed it up….I checked the gamethread however and was very surprised and happy by the sudden appreciation by hinrich (oddly enough alot of it was coming from andrew….am i in the twilight zone?)

 I know its mainly because hinrich is playing a pretty limited role on the bulls and luol deng has been getting 100% of the hate (not actual stat) of blogabull, not to mention salmons has been playing stellar and he and gordon are more than providing enough offense (so hinrich doesnt have that burden) but still ill take the hinrich pros coming from the site (though i already know a trade is eventual, especially with rose not playing as well as he was, early in the season paxson will probably get rid of hinrich to focus on roses development)….i know todays victory would be a disaster if kg was playing, i know rose not playing well could be bad later on, i know the “hey hinrich is a good fit on this team” is a temporary phase, but still…tonight…im happy!

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Hinrich had a good game but that reverse layup was annoying and came at the wrong time….plus in the first half he missed 3-4 wide open easy jumpers, but his D was on and he was a key piece to us in the 2nd half, so I forgave that play. Hinrich plays very well with Brad Miller…

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I never thought I would say that

But Hinrich had some amazing moments. The block on house and that crossover on Rondo and Walker were sweeeeeeeeeet!

by JustAnotherFan on Mar 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't know if it was the crowd or the trash talking

but something got into Hinrich last night that I liked. If he can do that I would much rather him stay around then Deng. His shot blocking was a nice surprise. But I really loved the ball fake because I used that just the other day. Only when I tried to lay it in mine rolled out.

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by SoulEater7 on Mar 18, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he had another steal

which led to a fast break to BG dunking the ball. that was huge too

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by Yibs on Mar 18, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ball fake

describe the play please por favor…. was it like a drive to rim, twist and extend ball as if you are going for a layup and then spin around and lay it in from the other side (after the opposing shot blocker flies over you)?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crossed over, pretended to pass right and Pierce and Rondo fell for it

He kept the ball and layed it in. Go to the NBA.com highlights.

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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was bill walker

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was just a

totally awesome play….I like the aggressive Kirk, too bad he hides out much too often….he used to come out and play far more often.

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

saw it thanksq

eh it wasnt my move though….i like driving the lane and doing a hard stop while cradling the ball forward towards the rim like im gonna go do a layup, but i keep the ball in my hands bring it back down and with the same hand perform a hook, bank-fadeaway, or simply pass the ball to someone else. Rondos done it a few times, and in 2k9 its part of hte rondo template for layups…..

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he

plays well with Brad too. Hope he continues to have good games.

by sue369 on Mar 18, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder if the bulls could somehow market that

without sounding racist….heh…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They

are too busy marketing Derrick Rose crossing over Satan, and Satan getting upset.

Why any of their marketing folks still have jobs after these godawful radio ads is beyond me…..

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite one is the monsters one

where big foot gets called for a 3 second…it makes me laugh cuz its not the bulls actually doing anything, in fact they got scored on…bigfoot dunks it….but oops the refs call the 3 seconds….why would i want to go to a bulls game to watch the refs call 3 seconds on big foot, on a possession where i can only assume the bulls fell apart defensively and were saved only the refs whistle…..what was the point of that commercial?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Link?

I haven’t seen any of these yet.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

these are the radio commercials..

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That one is stupid, and is probably the most common.

Had me laughing with that….it’s so embarassing.

I think they want you to be prepared to love it live while the Bulls for the 2nd straight year can’t play a lick of defense….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should have fired vinny in the preseason.

Anyone who has a sense of interpersonal skills and what makes a leader could peg the man right away. He just doesn’t have the kutzpa or cojones to get the job done. Look at spolstra, just seeing him on the sideline makes me somewhat confident (even if his x’s and o’s aren’t there). At this point getting a coach that can connect to the players by getting them to respect him is all the bulls could ask for.

by mandoman10 on Mar 18, 2009 1:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Vinny has made some good decisions.

Most notably, he has stuck with Ben Gordon as the starter pretty much all season long. First coach to do that, and it’s about time.

He has put Kirk Hinrich in a bench role. So Kirk might get something like 20 minutes in a game. That is unless Derrick Rose is lifeless and sucking (like tonight for the first 3 quarters), Ben Gordon gets in foul trouble (first half tonight), or Kirk is on fire (like that Bucks game a few weeks ago). This is a good role for Hinrich, and allows him to expend more energy out on the court.

Also, according to the newspaper reports, even if Deng wasn’t injured, he was going to bench him for Salmons, which would have been the right move.

It must be recognized, that at this point in the season, Vinny has his team competing hard. Something Boylan never had from them.

I agree that X’s and O’s wise, Vinny has been an idiot. His offensive system is good for most of the game, as guys like Gordon and Salmons, as well as Rose on occasion have so much offensive talent. But where it really hurts us is during crunch time, as Vinny is unable to come up with any good plays.

Also, his defensive x’s and o’s have been generally terrible. He needs to get in a new defensive system. Generally too much switching, although I did find his switching on Ray Allen on off the ball screens to be an intriguing, and at least for tonight’s game, effective strategy.

Vinny’s shown some good improvements as coach. But still, if he doesn’t get this team back to .500, I think you have ample reason to fire him. At the end of the day, Avery Johnson, Flip Saunders, and Jeff Van Gundy don’t have coaching jobs. Do you think Vinny will be a better coach than all of those guys? I don’t think so, and that’s reason enough to fire him.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing about gordon as a starter

was the THREE OTHER GUYS had a shot at starter before they went down with injuries (or just sucked horribly like thabo). he was just so good it would have been a crime to take him out at that point.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did try everyone with a pulse at SG first.

Larry. Even Larry. :(

VDN would have done worse if everyone was healthy.

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by cranscape on Mar 18, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing

too about the other 3 guys getting a starting shot first was because BG sulked in preseason and likely from Paxson wasn’t in our plans after this year anyway….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who knows.

i just took it as how they’ve consistently shafted ben for the past 5 years.

i’m not even the biggest gordon fan, but clearly he deserved to start from the beginning.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But the shafting wasn’t from Vinny…..Vinny may have been informed to try this or that first, and was further brought to that conclusion when Ben’s toe caused him to miss all of the new coaches training camp…..

You could also conjecture from the team’s words at the time that they didn’t buy that injury much….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thabo had a higher FG% than Gordon.

For the first two months of the season…not exactly sucking horribly…but revisionist history is what it is…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 18, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon = 57.6 TS%, Thabo Sefolosha = 50.3 TS%

There is no comparison between the two.

Even in OKC, Thabo as at a pretty low 53.2 TS%, although that’s much better than what he was doing here, and better than what a guy like Luol Deng has been doing for us.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A whole 1% better, yipee, and Gordon's 3 point shooting diminishes that difference

Gordon’s performance has nothing to do with Thabo. Who was given the starting SG job, and couldn’t hold onto it? Where is everyone holding Thabo accountable for not keeping the minutes he was handed for no reason whatsoever? There seems to be some forgetfulness on that part. Thabo was brutal as the starter.

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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

with the comment about salmons starting over deng regardless, i totally think that comment was taken out of context. i interpreted it as he was planning to start him that night regardless of whether deng was healthy because clearly he had something nagging him and was probably going to limit his minutes.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were even able to trot out a 4-guard (Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Salmons)

Salmons seemed to have been playing the 3 most of the game

by NittanyCub on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, then Hinrich was playing the 4 for a stretch, because they did use that lineup.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Mar 18, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly it.

Never said they didn’t use that lineup. Miller was in there, too. Also, it worked great against a Rondo/Allen/Pierce/House/Perkins combo and when Marbury was transfected in that lineup. Seemed to me that the Bulls were working variations of a 1-3-1.

by NittanyCub on Mar 18, 2009 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, paul pierce was playing center at one point

the celtics announcers were like “um, the celtics have 3 small point guards out there….” and then were like “uhh… so do the bulls.” LOL

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until we have an offensive and defensive plan that makes some kind of logical sense,

we will continue to play like crap.
This ‘switch on every pick and roll’ idea VDN has going on doesn’t work if the bigs don’t know it’s happening, and it doesn’t work if Gordon or Rose are guarding the other team’s center as a result. The result of our defensive sets seem to always be a bunch of open threes for the other team, especially in critical situations. And to good three-point shooters.
And our offense isn’t there – it’s a bunch of uncoordinated movement, two guys stand around the hoop and if one of them is stopped he passes it to the other! Flail around and we can be “successful”.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Mar 18, 2009 2:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for the record, Scalabrine is not a front court reserve

he is a mascot with a padded bench chair.

confusingly fun game for two odd rosters…one due to injuries, the other – not so much. Between this game and the miami one, I have some motivation to watch a few more bulls games this year/week.

by lampnasty on Mar 18, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First quarter was great

I loved watching the play of TT and DRose in the first quarter. The Celts were doubling Rose off of ball screens and Rose was making easy (but still nice) passes to TT. Rose had 4 assists in the 1st and could have easily had more had TT not been getting fouled so much.

I wonder, why was this not happening the rest of the game. I know you can’t just run one play, but I hardly saw this at all the rest of the way. Furthermore, I hardly saw TT. Anyone know why this might be?

by DRose01 on Mar 18, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i completely agree

when the 3rd quarter started, they didn’t go back to doing what got them the lead, and they almost screwed themselves.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Del Negro sucks?

Or because the Celtics decided to concentrate on stopping Thomas (unlike when they were fouling him), and he couldn’t handle it?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 18, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the one thing i didn't understand

was when the celtics announcers were like “the celtics are doing something amazing here…” and they were up 91-90. what exactly were they doing???

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scoring

The Bulls defense wasn’t bad for a team that allowed 122 pts…..so I guess that could have been considered pretty amazing that they scored as well as they did….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't

Go ragging on Kirk Hinrich yesterday, he was very important to our win. I understand in general if he had 36 MPG a night with our guards, but Kirk was great defensively yesterday, frustrating Allen, slowing Rondo a bit more than BG and Rose were, and a real key piece to our win with his solid defense. That block on House and the strip steal on Pierce were something…..

I didn’t get why Noah and Tyrus were absent as much yesterday, I could see one of them being out with Brad Miller looking like the Brad Miller of 4-5 years ago, but I didn’t see Noah at all really the 2nd half….maybe that cheap Pierce push foul that didn’t go for the ball at all, was a hard foul int he paint, could have severely hurt our guy and oddly wasn’t called a flagrant, had something to do with it.

Tyrus was a beast in the first, and then seemed in the 2nd to revert to the game that can keep his play down, so I understood sitting him for a bit there, but was surprised when he never got in.
Oh well, maybe it was because Powe went down and we were more effective with the 4 guard lineup against their really 4 guard lineup…..Tyrus though can guard Pierce well (And did at times…..oh well, Salmons played well, the guy who would have sat in that stretch would have been eithe rRose or BG and I think Vinny’d have more flak for that than not playing Tyrus….because Kirk was on….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They were out a lot because

of the four guard line up. If you want Hinrich in there for whatever defense he did (Rondo had a great night regardless) you have to have shooters in there because Hinrich isn’t one of them. Thus Rose/Gordon/Salmons/Hinrich + Miller or Noah. Tyrus got Hinrich’d out of the rotation.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Mar 18, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Hinrich yesterday was outplaying Rose (Sadly, even though Rose was a big piece of our momentum in the 4th) and GOrdon….so i think Hinrich played for Tyrus because Vinny knows the other two are more consistent….

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in the 4th quarter.

Hinrich yesterday was outplaying Rose

Maybe we can (but probably not)?

by Granny Waiters on Mar 18, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite sure I'd agree overall or in the 4th

Though Rose picked that 3-4 minute window to seal the game for us…..

If there wasn’t the media and Vinny and Pax and Vinny spat, Rose would have sat…..

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody on the roster

bothers our opponents on the defensive end the way Hinrich does. In transition Hinrich was passing the ball. In the half court he really wasn’t.

I doubt Kirk gets these kind of minutes without being asked to play the 3 for stretches. His minutes look more like 24-28 without this assignment.

In addition, Kirk won’t play as much if Rose is playing well. In the 3rd Rose just wasn’t very good. He got benched to shake up the 5 man. We were getting killed to open the 2nd half. Kirk enters and the defense steps up, we get into transition, we start scoring, and the game turns into a score-a-thon thereafter.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my cousin messages me on facebook today (he's a kings fan)

"Brad and John Salmons really helping you guys out there I see…I didn’t know John Salmons could play that well within a team concept but if he can than you guys absolutely ripped us off. "

i messaged him back and asked him if he had ever seen the bulls’ offense and then said well once the bulls get one i suppose we’ll see how salmons really fits in a team concept. :)

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wait let me get this straight

theres actually a such thing as….a kings fan? is that even possible?

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salmons was terrific

His offense has a lot of indicators that reveal what kind of shot he’s trying to create for himself, but when he focuses on getting to the rim he’s getting his man on his shoulder or hip and able to get fouled or get past this and finish. I loved that he was taking Ray Allen to the cup in the 2nd half.

Defensively, I thought Salmons was great on Pierce in the first half using a bunch of tricks to game Pierce into free throwing begging through forced shots. Pierce was debating with the officials throughout the first half. In the 2nd Salmons’ effective defense went away. Rivers changed the offense so Pierce was getting it at the free throw line and creating whatever he wanted. This put Salmons in one on one defense in the middle of the court whereas Salmons had been effective when defending Pierce on one side of the floor or the other.

What Salmons also did last night, but did not make the extra pass, was make Ben Gordon almost wide open on every possession. Gordon’s man was constantly rotating around or cheating down to stop the penetration. The Celtics clearly could have used their low post bigs like Powe and Garnett that will merely draw the charge here, but the lack of them left the lane open for Salmons to finish or a lane to feed a wide open Gordon.

My expectations for this team are moot at this point until we can win on the road with the new revamped roster. I’d like to have Deng, but if’s not going to go I think we need a lot more defensive intensity at the SG and SF position to be competitive on the road.

Depleted yes, but this is our first W against Boston since they acquired Garnett and Allen.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 1-2-3 trio is a pretty intriguing trio.

If you break things into three main guard skills, penetration, fast break, and shooting.

You have.

Rose: Good on the fastbreak and penetration.
Ben Gordon: Good on the fastbreak and shooting.
John Salmons: Good at penetration and shooting. (that doesn’t sound right).

And Ben Gordon can penetrate a little bit, and John Salmons is decent on the fastbreak.

The talent of our 1-2-3 is so amazing on the offensive end. You have Ben Gordon who is a great shooter and fastbreak player. Then you have Salmons, who is a great penetrator and shooter.

And then Derrick Rose, he’s not quite there yet, but he should be a great fastbreak player (I’d give him around a B+ on the fastbreak so far) and a great penetrator (I’d give him a C+ here. He’s driven in good, but he hasn’t been passing or finishing well once he drives). But he has the talent to be great in these two aspects. You can already see flashes of it, and with the typical sophomore jump, he might be there next year.

What you end up with, is a duo in Gordon/Salmons right now that can really fill up the score board. Rose can on occasion to, and hopefully next year it will be a trio, where Rose is consistently contributing.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one of those three players...

Can actually defend at the NBA level.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 18, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty indifferent on Salmons the defender

He’s…..acceptable. I’ve seen Deng defend much better, yet never get the credit Salmons gets.

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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, deng does a decent job

but does it quietly like most other things he does. he usually matches up with pierce pretty well so i was happy to see salmons hold him pretty well in the first half. then he started getting to the line.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st time

I actually like switching on screens because boston have ray allen and they always get away with a lot of illegal screens. It also kinda worked against cp3. Might work against rip hamilton. but pls vdn dont do it on everybody

by trig on Mar 18, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich haters won't like this

But he made the steal of the night and block of the night for NBA TV

He did miss some open shots on the first half, though… But, in the end, he had a nice game.

by bull83 on Mar 18, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

both those plays were great

i loved the fast break after his steal. of course tommy went on about how eddie was hit on the play. what a whiner.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I didn’t see that hit either on the replay…..if it was it wasn’t something that gets called and more incidental.

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can technicals be called on announcers?

If so, Heinsohn should get a T every game.

Maybe we can (but probably not)?

by Granny Waiters on Mar 18, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go straight to the ejection.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who hates Hinrich?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 18, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

36mpg Hinrich

has his own throne around here.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would have lay up or crossover of the night too - if they had that category

That crossover on Rondo with the fake pass that send Bill Walker home, dude… that was some move

by JustAnotherFan on Mar 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

that was too sweet

i missed it initially and wondered why everyone was cheering… then they put up the replay.. he faked out 2 guys with a simple fake.

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by Yibs on Mar 18, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if he didn't fake out Bill Walker.

He probably could have gotten fouled by Walker for the and one!

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really thought that walker was

gonna set some record of fouling out the quickest…

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by Yibs on Mar 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just makes me think of that time tyson chandler fouled out

in like 10 minutes.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Noah

Do that recently against Howard? Granted it’s Dwight Howard and Noah has played well of late….but I’m just wondering.

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the last game

against orlando he had 4 fouls in 11 min. but since it was a blowout he didn’t get the opportunity to foul out. ;)

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the dribble setup was the key

That was the old Kirk. He got his man moving one way, off balance, trying to compensate for what he thought Kirk was going to do and Kirk changed his mind and went back to his right.

Kirk used to do this all the time. He made defenders want to predict his moves and then shake it up and do the exact opposite. Kirk used to use tilt all the time to his advantage.

The few times I see him get to this point now is only when he’s rolling defensively. His good defense is getting him into transition sets where a lot of this tilt can show itself.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those plays

were fantastic. Nice to see him have a good game.

by sue369 on Mar 18, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Miller:

"There were a lot of six footers out there," noted, who finished with 21 points and 14 rebounds. "If I can’t get rebounds against six footers, it’s really time for me to retire."

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Doc Rivers was really pissed with the refs

Via Sam Smith

"The technical on which I got thrown out was the most unprofessional technical by a ref I’ve ever had," said Rivers, who isn’t particularly prone to exaggeration. "He stood there and goaded me and goaded me and stared at me. Look at the film. I actually walked away. He asked me, ‘Where do you want the ball? And I said, ‘Ask them,’ talking about our players. That’s my right to say that, and I walked away. He stood there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me until I turned around and said, ‘What?’ That’s when I got thrown out of the game. In a three-point game. Think about that. Think about that play, that Bill Kennedy made. That is the most unprofessional tech I’ve ever had".

Yeah, everything can be use to explain a loss. What he forgot to say was that the Celtics are not that good without KG. Take him out of that team, and I bet they lose on the first round of the playoffs against Detroit or Philly

by bull83 on Mar 18, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on

Scalabrine centers the Celtics. We all know this.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can call his celts commentators

they can join him drink and whine all day

by trig on Mar 18, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares

They had lost at that point anyway (were down what 5 pts with 30 some seconds left) a non issue.

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, for him it was an issue

Maybe he thought they could win it…

by bull83 on Mar 18, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ofcourse they win it

PP will just trip himself and fall. intatnt free throws

by trig on Mar 18, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, it was a 5-point game when he got tossed....

But I suppose calling it a3-point game make the indignation much more sustainable. You wanna bet he’s got his checkbook out this morning, just waiting for that call from the league?

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by wjb1492 on Mar 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

definetly a good game to see live last night

i think that everyone had a positive impact on the game, even vinny. vinny i think finally won a game employing his coaching tactics. i thought the start we got off to with tyrus doing what he should do all the time was great for the team. noah was soild when he was on the floor (aside from the jumoer he took, which lead to a 3 by pierce and allen). BG seemed like he could have had a better game if he was caught for those fouls early. but he was great in the 3rd, which was when the game was slipping away from us. rose angered me all through the game until the 4th, when he just abused whoever was on him. his passes were on the money and even got some foul calls on his way to the basket. one play i thought he phased through pierce, i didnt think it was possible to jump in the air and pretty much glide to the left while in the air. salmons was too good. his D on pierce ealry was good and scored at will with a variety of shots. miller was awesome. we were getting killed on the offensive boards but in the 4th him and rose were what won us the game. kirk was great off the bench, espceially on defense. the block from behind on house, and fast break steal from pierce from under the basket, and another block on rondo which led to a bucket for salmons. and tim thomas shot the ball but also posted up and was effective the way he can be. we just need to string it all up together for the rest of the games. tonight i think stopping durant is all it will take. im looking for tyrus to be on him like he did with LBJ.

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by Yibs on Mar 18, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they went way small

and miller took advantage. glad to see the big guy use his size.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea we kept cheering every time marbury came on the court

the guy contributed nothing to the team, it was easy for BG to stay in front of him, and derrick abused him late in the game

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by Yibs on Mar 18, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was very impressed with Tyrus' energy.

He was hassling the inbounds pass any chance he could get, playing full-court defense, switching reasonably well on pick-and-rolls, etc. Anytime he didn’t convert on a layup or dunk attempt when getting fouled he seemed upset (as if he expects better of himself, which is a good sign), although it didn’t lead to pouting or loss of energy. It also seemed that he was being a great cheerleader from the bench when anyone in his position (after having the first quarter he had) would have been somewhat justified in sulking a little bit. Great attitude all around, and it makes me optimistic about his development.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

13 FTA in 26 minutes

Or about twice what Dwayne Wade delivers with help.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drunk people are loud

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a fun game, nothing more

Tyrus went bananas, Rose stepped up in the 4th, Miller is awesome. That’s about it, prepare for aggravation tonight.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh Heh now

Come on, we have to win tonight…..though I agree with that sentiment, we beat 2 good teams, one completely saddled with injuries but still having 2 solid all stars and very good role players and one great team….and now we play the crap, except the crap team that’s suddenly hot and looking less like crap…..so we might lose…

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gahhh

Last friday a friend of mine asked me, “hinrich isnt that good, has he even ever crossed anyone over?” to which i replied sure he has, so my friend who wanted to see this supposed crossover went on youtube with me and we tried to find a hinrich crossover, finding instead several videos of hinrich BEING crossed over. And now i hear hinrich crossed over rajon rondo, the supposed best defensive pg (way over rated if you ask me) in the league. Not only that he fakes out another dude with a ball fake which (depending on what he does and how) might be a move i use constantly myself…..and i cant find any clips of this….man i wish i hadnt missed yesterdays game…. :(

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

only about

a dozen times…. :(

btw….crawford traveled…..

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely didn't travel.

He just did a hop step.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 18, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CRAB DRIBBLE!

Can I combine memes?
Giant enemy crab dribble?

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Mar 18, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im pretty positive its a travel

you can either do a hop step, or you can take your two steps….you cant do both….he did both….on youtube they have the clip with the espn guys (during sportscenter i believe) saying that it is a travel….

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the NBA

They did actually call Perkins last night when he was dancing beyond the 3pt line with Noah harassing him.

Later they were letting Pierce travel on just about every possession. Rondo travels all the time on his jump stop – pivot move.

They have to call these travels or else ignore them in the postseason when everyone is watching or else the players will think these moves are all perfectly legit.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perk was clearly traveling on that play

he was moving one foot while holding the ball up looking to pass, he planted it and stepped with the other foot. it was kind of a different move than the typical “look the other way” travel since he wasn’t trying to be on the move.

but i agree, they should call it.

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just saying

whether it was called or not, a travel is a travel…and crawford traveled when he crossed hinrich up….

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ball fake one is on the nba.com highlights

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by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks found it

it wasnt my move…. it was a good move, but it was just amplified by the bad defensive play by the celtics….

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by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Youtube clips must be gone

Didn’t the NBA go on a purge with the compliance department? I know they were talking about taking down lots of fan videos of highlights on Youtube. The NBA wanted to force fans over to their “create your own highlight reel” site.

There were Hinrich dribbling videos though.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there was a purge, that stuff should be back up shortly.

Ah, the beauty of the DMCA notice and takedown provisions — someone can just repost again later.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they are trying to do that, it's not working

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 18, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the offseason, who will the Bulls acquire as

a supporting cast for John Salmons?

I can’t wait to purchase my first pair of Air Salmons. Here’s a link to the logo:

http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Photography/Images/POD/j/jumping-salmon-487548-lw.jpg

We should have quite a bit of cap room to create the Salmons Squad, since we traded Noah and Tyrus. At least, I think we did, since I haven’t actually seen them on the court recently. Maybe I was in line for nachos.

I haven’t been this excited about the future since Jalen Rose scored 36 to beat the Knicks in his first game as a Bull. Yeah.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 18, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

man, that was an awesome game

Dore: “fans, this is a STAR”

I don’t see Salmons as a long-term fit either. I like the bet (albeit riskier) that Deng just gets healthy. Salmons is 29 and will likely opt-out after next season. Nothing wrong with having him as the 6th man behind Deng and Gordon for a season. I don’t see him as a replacement.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially if he insists on hoisting 2-3 Zach-Randolph-esque three pointers a night

with a hand in his face off-balance and in the middle of the shot clock. He was great when he was driving and/or shooting in rhythm, but he was forcing it worse than Larry Hughes on some of those shots.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should add that

at least when Ben Gordon forces it, he has a high probability of making it (which Salmons apparently does not).

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salmons is a 41% 3 pt shooter. BG is a 42% 3 pt shooter

So even if Salmons takes a couple of unnecessary ones, he is still shooting them at a high rate.

by Basketball Smurf on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Salmons is shooting 5% over his career average at age 29

This would be BG’s second best season for 3Pt% and barely above his career average. Who do you think is really the better shooter?

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by snley on Mar 18, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where did i say Salmons is a better shooter than Gordon?

all I wrote was that if you are okay with Gordon taking a couple of wild 3’s, you should be okay with Salmons because they are shooting the same percentage. I don’t think its a guarantee that Salmons 3pt shooting goes down. There are guys who have improved their 3 pt shooting late in their career (Bowen, Raja Bell come to mind). I think Salmons actually hits a lot of those face up 3s he takes, so I don’t think its a big deal that he takes them. He almost never takes them when he is having a bad shooting night.

by Basketball Smurf on Mar 18, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...

If Salmons didn’t take the flailing heaves that have no chance, he’d be even better. They aren’t necessary to the rest of his game. If you want to argue that some offensive fouls are a necessary adjunct of a slasher’s aggressive driving game, fine. But dumb three-pointers that have no shot of going in are never necessary. I’m not talking about popping a J in someone’s face sometimes; shooters will have dispensation to do that sometimes if they’re good shooters, even though you generally don’t want to shoot long-distance shots when guarded closely. But there were a few (and only a few; this isn’t a wholesale indictment of Salmons) where nobody in their right mind would have taken that shot. It was basically a turnover, and a demoralizing one at that.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i disagree that he takes "dumb 3 pointers that have no shot that to go in"

that is your characterization, I don’t see it. This sounds like the typical “its a dumb shot because he missed it” rant. BG gets those same rants all the time. Incidentally, they shoot almost the exact same percentage. Since coming to Chicago Salmons is 22/56 for 3, or just under 40. If you subtract his only really bad 3pt shooting performance with the Bulls (at the Bobcats) where he went 1/7, he is shooting 21/49 or 43. Guys who take a number of dumb 3 pointers don’t shoot that high of a percentage.

by Basketball Smurf on Mar 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, I'm not saying he always takes them.

I tried with the “this isn’t an indictment” parenthetical to get that across. But there are two times I remember where he got the ball on the wing, tried a couple of jab steps, had a guy in his face, and after holding the ball for about 5-7 seconds (destroying any type of rhythm or offensive movement), he hoisted it. Both times, you could see it coming (including his defender, who was up in his jock). Like I said, sometimes shooters should just shoot, but those two times were not those times.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, I think a dumb shot is a dumb shot regardless of whether it goes in.

No matter who takes it. If it goes in, it’s merely a bullet dodged.

by arjoseph on Mar 18, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That IS his jump shot though

He used to do this in Philly too. He can make it work, but the only thing that prevents me from wanting to tag him as Larry Hughes nicer nephew with a better contract is how much better he is at attacking the rim, getting fouled, and still getting up a shot.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and i think that was one of the knocks on him

from the kings’ side, was the hoisting of unnecessary 3 pters. he did it a few times, and i called him out on it (to myself, of course lol) but can’t complain too much when he was great otherwise.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Deng is a long term fit either however

First of all, he has played like ass for 2 years in a row. Now there are reports coming out (albeit from Sam Smith) that Deng is jealous of Rose.

But more importantly, Deng doesn’t shoot 3’s and therefore doesn’t space the floor. It allows teams to clog the lane for Rose. And potentially, it could cause problems for a guy like Bosh or Amare who are more likely to face up and take a guy off the dribble than be a traditional post player and hit cutters. The offense that the Bulls run require good 3 pt shooting and the ability to take your man off the dribble. Deng can do neither. You could argue that the Bulls should change the offense – but really how many small forwards don’t have a post game, can’t shoot 3s and can’t take their man off the dribble? Deng has to significantly expand his game, which he hasn’t done since he has been here.

Plus, when Salmons goes back to being a 6th man, his numbers are likely to fall which means he would have less incentive to opt out. I think Salmons can be a temporary replacement. You can get guys in the draft or via free agency who could replace Deng.

The Bulls don’t seem to miss Deng at all. It is kind of hard to argue that point. If you can find some place to move him this summer, I think you have to do it.

by Basketball Smurf on Mar 18, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a link to the article where Smith

speculates about Deng’s jealousy? You have piqued my interest. Thanks.

"We're gonna hire a motherf*cking coach with NO experience? Not as an NBA head coach, not as an NBA assistant, not as an assistant’s assistant, not as a college coach, not as a high school coach, not as f*cking grade school coach, not as a coach of the Lovabulls, not as a coach of the towel boys, not even as a coach of a dynasty on Playstation. Nothing. Really? Really, Pax?" - 1958ChiTown's Initial Reaction to the Hiring of Vinny Del Negro, posted on June 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM.

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 18, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's in the ask sam

from a few days ago, here.

He has been in a funk much of this season even when not hurt, and he is a player who can benefit tremendously playing with Rose. I think he’s been a bit jealous of Rose’s attention, though when Deng gets past that I think he’ll be fine.

pretty much all he says.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 18, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How did I miss

this?

..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...

by Belize on Mar 19, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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