Scoop Jackson on the Bulls (via ESPN 1000)

by chibullsfan03 on Mar 13, 2009 3:01 PM CDT Comment 51 comments

Well it's Friday and I'm stuck at work, and naturally, I'm "working" by listening to a few podcasts. Waddle & Silvy had Scoop Jackson on Thursday to discuss the Bulls and I want to share what I thought was interesting with the interview. It was about Pax possibly having an idea on bringing in Avery as coach. It's all speculation by Scoop, but I'm bored at work and felt like sharing this.

Here is the podcast link for any who want to listen: the Jackson interview starts at 37:20 and goes until 47:10

Here is the part that intrigued me.

Scoop when questioned about possible outcomes to improve in the off season:

"I don't think it's the players. I'm giving Pax a lot of credit, I've been critical of John Paxson, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think (this being just Scoop speculating) he has a plan that has nothing to do with the players.

The whole Vinny Del Negro thing didn't make too much sense to me because why would you select somebody who has no coaching experience that was with a team that had a coaching opening and they never interviewed him?

But, Avery Johnson we know is available. We know Avery didn't coach this year because he was going to get $6 Million this year for not coaching because of his contract with the Dallas Mavericks. NY is done, LA isn't going anywhere, all the top teams the coaching situation is set.

If I'm John Paxson, I'm thinking just let me get somebody in there for 1 year to hold this spot down so I can get Avery Johnson who'd be a pretty good coach for a cat like Derrick Rose.

Avery was going to lose $6 Million by coaching this year, his contract with the Mavericks said if he coached this year he would give up that money. And we know the Bulls aren't going to pay that. So Avery's smart enough to sit out for a year and do analyst work at ESPN, and now he's available.

And if I'm John Paxson, I'm thinking that's my guy. I'm giving Paxson some credit for thinking this way, and this plan would be a bit of brilliance on his part. Then, you don't necessarily have to worry about the players, because he's a coach that has experience and could shape a point guard because Avery has a point guard mentality and now we aren't talking about losing some of these close games that they have been losing.

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Yea, but if I remember correctly

Avery was on radio and TV last year essentially openly campaigning for the job and he couldn’t even get an interview. I really don’t think this has much chance of happening.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 13, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have been critical of Avery

But if he becomes our coach, I’d love him….

by majoyenrac on Mar 13, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just because

We need something….us Bulls fans and non bulls fans can see the bristling talent on this roster….why we flounder is ridiculous at this point.

by majoyenrac on Mar 13, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least AJ is a known quantity.

He has his way of doing things and it has seen a certain amount of success. Like it or hate it it would be an identity for the team.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Mar 13, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A known

quantity? You really are sizing him up aren’t ya? I think you were going for commodity, but I’ll let it slide, being that it’s Friday.

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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 13, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Both are commonly used, Officer Ugh.

Google it. There are a number of published examples of its use as well as dictionary examples.

http://www.bthesite.com/archives/2008/10/sheila-dixon-a-known-quantity-at-the-congressional-black-caucus-legislative-conference/

“Quantity” is used to refer to any type of quantitative properties or attributes of things. Quantifiable. When it comes to people it is like sizing one up. It works. In the sports world they do like to refer to people as things to be bought and sold like a “commodity”, but “quantity” is a bit more dignified, don’t you think?

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Mar 13, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i luv this blog

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by Belize on Mar 14, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

me 2

..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...

by Belize on Mar 14, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They did interview Avery, twice if I remember correctly

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really? Huh, good call. I don't remember that at all.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 13, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It could make sense

hence why vdn is so damn cheap…..and it also allows the players some more time to unwind and know what it feels like to play for a guy who knows nothing and knows nothing of how to take control of a team. So when avery comes in, the players will respond the same way they did with scott skiles, and welcome his micro-management skills. Avery might not be the best coach ever, but he at least has experience going deep into the playoffs and will at least know when not to sit your best player, and design a few plays rather than run iso. ITs all speculation but im buying into it…..please be right!!!!

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by piccolomair on Mar 13, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I still just don't get the

much tenured assistants….I mean how much less than Vinny are they making? Perhaps Pax was undecided between them and favored Vinny most, so he gave them all an audition….

That’s the strange part, why Harris and Bickerstaff are on the bench behind a rookie coach….

Unfortunately for us fans it seems we continue to flounder, and much as I want to credit the positives (Tyrus and Noah playing time and development, and the playing time of Rose) games like that Orlando game or the Orlando game before the win, or the Bobcats, or the Celtics, or the horrid Blazers game, are just too much….You could almost understand them earlier in the year, but the blowout loss again the Bobcats and the essentially 40+ pre garbage time loss (that still ended at 38 or whatever) against hte Magic with the new, deeper roster are beyond ridiculous…..

by majoyenrac on Mar 13, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Though statistically...

Avery might be the best coach ever…or at least he has the highest winning percentage of any coach in NBA history.

Funny how that works.

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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 13, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

That’s the thing people overuse with him…..Avery was dealt the single greatest head coaching start for a first time coach, a stacked team on the rise that should have won 1-3 titles, and instead he let them lose their confidence and now the best European to ever play (yes better than Sabonis as he is just a killer shooter and played his best years in the elite NBA, rather than the Euro league where all folks do is conjecture how good he might have been in the NBA…) will likely never win a title.

by majoyenrac on Mar 16, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's Dirk's fault.

For completely unraveling in the Finals.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 16, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a masturbatory piece of drivel

Scoop acknowledges he’s just speculating and then adds this?

And if I’m John Paxson, I’m thinking that’s my guy. I’m giving Paxson some credit for thinking this way, and this plan would be a bit of brilliance on his part.

Bit of brilliance on whose part? Oh, that’s right, Scoop, you genius, you and Paxson would have both have to come up with this idea separately since you’re just speculating. Great minds think alike!

So, where does this great plan lead the franchise? First, the team would have to internally acknowledge it’s wasting the season. Secondly, the team would have to be ok with the idea of delaying the development of its franchise player for a season. All for a coach who probably isn’t a good fit for its franchise player in terms of style of play, but, hey, he used to be a PG so he can relate to Rose. Utterly ridiculous that anyone would take this seriously.

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by snley on Mar 13, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs

Consider what that means for Rose. Developing a PG is a long-term project and we’ve already blown a year by putting him under the tutelage of Vinnie Del Coacho. Not only that, we’ve blown the gravy year where everyone will forgive any mistake he makes. Teaching him going forward is going to get progressively more painful as people complain about the growing pains and conclude, rightly or wrongly, that he’s not that good can’t be developed anymore or whatever.

If it was a conscious decision to not do their best this year and wait for someone else down the road, then fucking shame on them.

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by Sports2 on Mar 14, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yeah I hear you but considering the fact that

the Bulls actually did hire someone who has never coached a day in his life, on the heels of preparing to draft a tranformative player at his position with the number one pick, maybe Scoop just hasn’t come to grip with the fact that an NBA team would do something so stupid. A team that had just fired a coach. A team that had just paid role players like superstars. A team that has a GM that doesn’t know if he wants to be the GM. A team that despite abysmal years, have been rewarded by their fan base with number one attendance records year after year. There had to be some ingenius plan to hiring Del Negro right? I mean there has to be. No way would a pro team behave in this manner. No way would a sports team given so many chances by it’s fan base, that those fans are starting to rival Cubs fans. NO WAY. The hiring of VDN was so terrible and such a smack in the face of not only the players but the fans that Scoop was actually trying to give this organization the benefit of the doubt because he probably couldn’t believe that this stuff is actually happening. Scoop better be right because if the Bulls go into next season with VDN still here, They run the risk of losing some of those fans.

by Dils on Mar 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Intriguing

Sitting out a year for $6mil DOES make sense, when you can still get paid as a commentator.

Avery, though, would at least be a major upgrade..

We can hope, can’t we?

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by Envy on Mar 13, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I've been waiting for the time when we as fans of this shit-tacular team

become so dissatisfied with VDN that we welcome anything “new” with open arms. I think Avery would be a great big upgrade from VDN but please people – think and don’t just jump on this bandwagon because it’s a change from our current administration.

And not to mention, new coach or not, the root of this problem ultimately lies in the office that reads “General Manager” on the door, not “Head Coach”.

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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Root of the problem

…has THREE strands…

...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.

by Envy on Mar 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Avery Johnson....

Maybe they should have done what I said last summer, and Avery would already be our coach and we’d be securely in the fourth spot in the East.

VDN sucking could be seen from a mile away. Avery is quality. He has the best winning percentage among all coaches in history.

I don’t know what happened with Avery. He said he was interested in the job. He said he would really love to coach Derrick Rose before the Bulls even had the #1 pick and Rose. He said he was going to talk with the Bulls later in the day after he was on the Score.

Maybe they talked, and decided that the money wouldn’t be there this year for Avery. Maybe Reinsdorf didn’t like a guy trying to get the job. Who knows.

But one thing is clear, VDN needs to be fired. Derrick Rose was supposed to be a superstar, and it looks like he could come up short now. It didn’t look that way at the beginning of the season. Rose looked like a sure fire superstar at the beginning of the season. When your #1 draft pick regresses over the course of his rookie season, that is reason enough for a coach to be fired.

Avery would be my top choice. Thibodeau would be the most intriguing of guys to never coach before because of his tantalizing defensive sets (great defense, and Rose/Gordon iso could be enoughto win a lot of games). Flip Saunders would be solid as well.

That was one of the reasons why I was excited when it looked like teh Bulls would get Mike D’Antoni. Yes, I wanted more of a defensive orientation, but at the very least I knew D’Antoni was a quality NBA coach.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Another Paxson's benefit of the doubt supporter or a two way politician

Paxson was ready to quit and probably will again be ready to quit after these next 17 games, and he doesn’t even give himself the “benefit of the doubt”

Another apologist plea…. like Reinsdorf…

man up!

by exult463 on Mar 13, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The beef with AJ was that he micromanaged point guards. Not sure that’s who I want coaching Rose. He’s an upgrade over VDN, but there are other coaches I might want to see first.

by Stay Chisel on Mar 13, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think thats been blown out a bit.

Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 13, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He didn't micromanage

Devin Harris was not ready to start on a championship-caliber team like the Mavs. He was brought on slowly, and it worked because he improved every year before he did take the starting job. They traded him to New Jersey, and now he’s wasting his All-Star talent on an 8th seed team.

Plus, after the Vinny debacle, I’ll take a guy who extolls all that “play the right way” bullshit as long as he has a plan for the team. Not “hey guys go run around for 48, I’m just going to sit here and think about my mom’s lasagna.”

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brian Shaw

by hlac on Mar 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what about him?

Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 14, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would like him to install the Triangle offense

because I think the Bulls’ players are suited to this offense-a lot of athleticism and versatility, good passers. And with the Triangle there’s not so much reliance on 3-point shooting. Plus it’s easy to take advantage of mismatches.

As for Shaw personally, he played PG and SG. He was a team player. He’s been coaching under Phil for 4 years. I’m assuming that this apprenticeship would qualify him to be a head coach. Do I know for sure he would be the ideal coach for the Bulls? No, that’s Pax’s job to vet him. But this is what I hope happens given the Bulls’ roster.

by hlac on Mar 14, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The triangle offense requires patience, intelligence, tons of cutting, and a lottttttt of practice

What from this season makes you think the triangle in Chicago could work? Plus, you don’t handcuff a PG like Rose with the triangle.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 14, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think if the Bulls were going to go to the triangle, Derrick would become the MJ / Kobe

type player in the offense. His penchant for taking shots thus far in his young career suggest he might be more suited to that role than the standard PG role. I’m not saying I think the triangle is right for this team, it probably isn’t. I honestly think D’Antoni’s pick and roll offense / SSOL-run and gun is the best possible offense for us, but we know that went out the window. I’d really like to see Tom Thibodeau or Flip Saunders take a crack at this team. Thibs gets bonus points for being probably the best defensive coach in the league and for not being a retread. Flip gets bonus points for being a damned good head coach.

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by fundamentallysound on Mar 14, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not a scorer

rose isn’t a scorer like jordan and kobe. i think he is a pure point guard. more like a jason kidd or steve nash. he could put up big points on any given game, but i think he would rather past and create for his team mates.

by FUTURE12 on Mar 14, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahahahaha

I might have to start reading your comments. They crack me up.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 19, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thinking the same thing

by FUTURE12 on Mar 14, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, especially the part about a lot of practice

and the Triangle requires players that are athletic and can play more than one position. I think the Bulls have several players like that. And speaking of smart, I think that TT, for example, is a lot smarter than fans give him credit.

It would take a while…

by hlac on Mar 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

With the handcuffing Rose and the triangle. I think the triangle would have worked great with Kirk at the PG, Ben’s shpoting, Tyrus’s immense athleticism, Deng’s all around game and Noah cleaning up….and was annoyed that we didn’t try that last year or get a coach to come in and preach it….

But with Derrick on the team, the triangle’s out….the triangle is good for the combo-ish PG’s, but Derrick to me is a true PG who can succeed more in a run and gun time of system (which we do have the talents for with our quick bigs, esp if they get stronger)….

The triangle dream is out…..

by majoyenrac on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he didn’t micromanage, he turned devin harris into the all-star he is today.

by FUTURE12 on Mar 14, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not sure how much AJ’s coaching contributed to Harris’ development. I think Harris would have blown up regardless of his coach. Maybe AJ was a big factor, but it’s hard to quantify. Whether or not the micromanagement label is fair, I can say that AJ had a team that looked like it was going to win at least one title and by the time he left its confidence was totally eviscerated and still has not come back.

by Stay Chisel on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they did choke the title year but...

they made it to the finals, avery would take the bulls to the next level and also help in rose’s development. and our team is probably deeper than what the mavs team was that year. minus the superstar they have in dirk, but we still have a lot of good players.

by FUTURE12 on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

vinny is doing good

for a coach who had no experience he has the bulls in the 8th spot in a better east. vinny is doing a good job. some games he has made the wrong play call or substutition but he isn’t a terrible coach, but i think with avery johnson as coach we would probably be in the 4th or 5th spot.

by FUTURE12 on Mar 14, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"a better east"

it’s as bad as ever.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yet somehow the Bulls are better against the West than the East

But they are guaranteed to lose by 30 to the Thunder this week.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 15, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And somehow

the East overall has a winning record…..imagine that.

It’s a better East, we don’t have the 5 crap teams that inflate the records like the West does, and we have 3 of the top 5 teams, not to mention relative parity until seed 7, and then parity from 7-12/13….

by majoyenrac on Mar 16, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

parity of crud.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 16, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

from top to bottom the east is better than the west this year

by FUTURE12 on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are more bad teams in the East

there are more terrible teams in the West, I guess. But the Suns are 9th in the West and would be the 4th best team in the East.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's hard to say

i was going to say the east was more evenly matched, but that’s not true – b/t the spurs and suns, the spread isn’t that large. but that’s only 8 teams whereas the spread in the east (hawks to pacers) is 10 teams. not to mention the east has 3 of the top 4 teams in the league, and the west has 6 of the worst 7 teams in the league so it puts the 2nd tier teams lower in the east cause there’s more of them and fewer terrible teams.

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by Jaina on Mar 17, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

er, maybe i was correct in saying they were more evenly matched

as i thought out the whole comment haha. it’s been a long day.

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by Jaina on Mar 17, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so sure about Avery...

yes, he would be an upgrade over VDN, but I worry he’ll be better, but not necessarily the best coach for this team. You have to remember…we actually had the perfect coach for this team. He even wanted to come here – D’Antoni. Thinking about how much better DRose would be with D’Antoni coaching this team makes me want to throw up.

If that doesn’t make you cringe at our prospects for finding the next coach, you need to come to grips with reality. Given our track record, I wouldn’t be surprised if VDN stays next year. Its the most logical thing relative to our front office track record.

by PeteRoc on Mar 16, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs