TrueHoop on Luol Deng
by J Theory on Mar 12, 2009 9:23 AM CDT
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Print[Note by your friendly BullsBlogger, 03/12/09 10:09 AM CDT: From the FanPosts. I should've come up with something similar myself, as it's basically how I felt about the situation. If Deng's hurt, he's hurt. Now if he's always hurt that's a different problem, but this instance of taking time off for a fracture in his leg isn't.
Plus, I barely watched last night's game as the blowout loss was entirely predictable and it was confirmed when I saw then down double digits and bringing in Hinrich and Miller minutes into the 3rd. So instead of a recap of that bad effort to feel awful about a single game, I'd prefer to extend it towards feeling awful about the organization as a whole -ed.]
People in Chicago have been killing Luol Deng. On sports radio and the like. And the way it has happened has been a little funny. Basically, we now know, he has an injury that requires weeks of rest at a minimum, and possibly surgery.
But for reasons that are unclear, it was first announced as something that was day to day.
When it's day to day, every day Deng doesn't play, he seems a little bit more like a guy who is not trying hard.
Anyway, Rick Morrissey of the Chicago Tribune explains:
The Bulls got a lot of public-relations mileage out of a statement they released a week ago about Deng's condition. It was widely viewed as a fed-up team standing up to a pampered professional athlete.
"He has been restricted from high-level activity since [Feb. 28]," team physician Brian Cole was quoted as saying. "At this point, he will undergo 'active rest,' meaning that he will be encouraged to challenge himself physically, and if symptoms remain minimal, he will be allowed an expeditious return to play."
That the Bulls were going to encourage Deng to "challenge himself physically" was interpreted to mean: "Can you believe this guy? What a wimp."
And then here's the payoff:
The Bulls announced Tuesday he will be out at least two weeks with the stress fracture, and there's a possibility he will need surgery. That comes on the heels of news that Deng recently met with an orthopedic surgeon who has extensive knowledge of stress fractures of the lower leg.
What is Deng's team of doctors saying now?
"I just have to avoid as much weight as I can on my leg," he said.
You know what this highlights to me? We're all ready for the idea that athletes might be the problem. It fits some notion in our minds -- but often does not help us better understand what's really going on.
And another interesting point: You see Morrissey's phrasing there? "Mileage?" "A fed up team?"
Once you're in the position of an employer angling in the media to make an employee look bad ... the situation is plainly beyond toxic. It would be a victory for the Bulls to tell the world their long contract guy -- in my brief exposure to him a truly stellar human -- is a dud? What? Who wins there? Is there a plan to win?
If a team is, you know, a team, wouldn't they want to make Luol Deng look good?
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This is a crummy organization I find very hard to cheer for.
This team hands out clouds for every bit of sunshine it provides.
Get the top pick in the draft? Hire a clown to teach him the NBA game.
Get a guy with a broken leg? Call him a pussy.
Finally get a center playing well? Time to trade for another center so we’ve got two.
And oh yeah, doing that can use up all the salary you’ve got available so you have to send generally one of your best players over the last five years packing.
I like most of the players on this team. That is all.
You have to admit
that the questioning of Deng mostly comes from the fans and the Media. I hear it all day long on the radio of Deng being soft. I’ve never heard the Bulls actually calling Deng soft. Morrissey may see it that way but he doesn’t work for the organization.
The reason we traded for Miller was for his contract and at least till this point we have been doing pretty good of not starting Miller. I did not see last nights game but Noah has been starting so that’s a positive.
VDN being hired and losing BG for nothing (if it happens) those really do make my blood boil.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Dude...
… you don’t see sending out a press release that says “he will be encouraged to challenge himself physically, and if symptoms remain minimal, he will be allowed an expeditious return to play” as inappropriate given the context?
People interpreted it as a public F You because that’s what it was.
And you know what, if that’s not what they meant, they’ve had every opportunity to issue some clarifications to it. Heck, Deng was out there defending himself the other day, and the team was… nowhere to be found. If they gave the wrong impression, they owe it to Deng to speak up and say so.
by Sports2 on Mar 12, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deng's going to be a target by the Bulls instead of, say VDN
because Deng costs money.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
"Costs money"
Usually guys that help you win games like Loul Deng “cost money”
As opposed to, say, VDN, who does not…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
I meant it as a lame anti-Reinsdorf joke
(not my best effort)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I completely agree with your shot on JR
I was trying to tack on an extra shot at VDN. Too subtle?
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
i think the organization was wrong
but with Deng’s contract, if he wants his way out of Chicago, I would gladly pack his bags. I think Deng can be an effective player. But he is suffering multiple injuries every year. His durability is a major question. As well is his versatility.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see what's wrong with 2 centers
I did see in the box score that Miller played 30 and Noah played 11. I’m sure there’s a good reason for that: VDN is the coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Noah had 3 fouls in the 1st qtr
and 4 before halftime
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
no, he only had 2 and then he was pulled
he only had 3 at halftime but got pulled early in the 3rd for another foul.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Ha I knew I should've checked that before I posted it
either way, the reason he didn’t play a lot was because he was in foul trouble. Not like he was being benched.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it was def foul trouble
he had 2 fouls within the first minute of the game…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
In the abstract, nothing's wrong with it
In terms of actual cost, it’s another luxury we don’t need.
- $12M backup center? Check.
- $9.5M backup point guard? Check.
- Insufficient funds to retain starting shooting guard? Check.
by Sports2 on Mar 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it can be put much better than that.
Of course, skilled big men and those on short(er) contracts aren’t the worst thing to have. You get rid of, at all costs, the backup point guard, and you’re in better shape.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Gah!
Saying Miller’s a good backup on a shorter deal = Mrs. Lincoln seeing a good play.
Bulls being at the cusp of the luxury tax = Mr. Lincoln getting assassinated.
Good backup on a shorter deal is nice, but not in the context of the Bulls’ big picture.
Seeing a good play is nice, but not if your hubby gets shot at it.
I think your analogy is a little bit extreme.
It’s not like we’re losing D. Rose. Plus, I would think this would have more legs once it has happened. We still have BG. We still have options this summer. You may think that management won’t use those options, but at least say this “will be” not “is”.
OK, let's suppose for a minute they do use those options
It’s debatable if they can, because I don’t think teams are going to be lining up to take on salary, so I’m not sure they actually are options. As best I can tell, these are our options
1. Pawn off Jerome James on a team under the cap This will cost us $1-2M in cash, not to mention we might need to induce the other team with a pick. I’m pretty sure we could get that done if we’re willing to pay enough.
2. Pawn off Deng, Hinrich, or Salmons to a team under the cap or having non-guaranteed contracts. As best I can tell, this isn’t going to happen. There are going to be plenty of other teams similarly trying to pawn off players to these teams, and they’re either going to be better players or have better contracts (Jamal Crawford, Caron Butler, Amare Stoudemire, anyone on Denver, Josh Howard… you get the picture). The more I look at this idea specifically and the economics in general, I think it’s going to be a hard sell to take on one of these guys.
So let’s assume they spend a couple million to pawn off Jerome James to a team under the cap. That seems the most realistic option to me, since it involves a deal that would actually be a financial benefit to another team. Following the best case scenario where we re-sign Gordon
- We’re still very close to the luxury tax with little flexibility. Which is a bad thing because there are going to be lots of very good players we could get with the MLE or our trade exceptions. This will be the buyer’s market to end all buyer’s markets and we’re a seller.
- And oh yeah, we go into next year with the same dumbass roster imbalance, having kept both Hinrich and Gordon, and replaced Hughes with Salmons. We’ve got two more draft picks to fit in there somewhere for Vinny to screw up too.
- And last, we make our ultimate need for a cap space saving trade in 2010 (of Kirk or Deng) more dire, because more time has past without getting it done.
I don't care much about Miller
But think his expiring deal is far more tradable to pair with some of our younger guys than the un-legend….the fact that he can play also helps considerably.
How so?
Any team that’s dumping a star player like Amare or Bosh isn’t going to be a team that cares about guys playing. It’s going to be an awful, crummy, rebuilding team. The sort of team that will end up “doing a favor” to Miller and buying him out so he can go play for a better team that actually wants him. Just like Sacramento did with Miller by sending him to us (ha!) and Gooden when we sent him to them.
I don't know what happened
I wrote something underneath that.
I said I don’t care much about Miller, but I think his salary next year is far more tradable in a package with some of our young guys or picks than Larry’s more expensive one was….becasue Miller plays good team ball, can come off the bench or start and be effective, and his passing and size makes him a nice to have for a lot of teams while they wait for his expiring contract to end…..he’s definitely better than Drew Gooden, and thereby will add to our trade assets….
Course
This assumes we make a trade when we can make a trade, which we never really do….we wait too long and then the trades we make are somewhat underwhelming (though to be fair I do think Miller and Salmons would be nice pieces if we could just coach the team to use them)….
but its not like we are playing Noah and Tyrus millions
he is our only high paid post player. And we traded a guy with a longer contract (nocioni) and a complete knucklehead (Gooden) to get him. Plus we got rid of a contract that was even worse (Hughes). I don’t get your beef with Miller
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 12, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
meh
don’t dare think I’ll go back on my love of the Brad Miller acquisition. He’s really like 2 backup big men (since he’s good enough to play a lot of minutes, and either thomas or Noah can play with him) and they would’ve had to spend $5m on at least one competent big in the offseason anyway.
Hinrich though…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He keeps Gray on the bench.
Should we say more?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Yea but having Miller is still better than having
the Noc/Hughes contracts.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The Miller trade had nothing to do with the Hughes contract.
I think Sports2 would say it would be better to have Noc + [the money formerly known as Gooden] because we could use that Gooden money on Gordon. So Noc + Gordon (if he’d deign to take only $7M a year) > Miller.
Ya I dunno why I put Hughes in there
besides the fact that we don’t have to pay him his huge contract next year anymore, which would’ve taken away from what we could’ve given to Ben.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait -
so we were going to give Gooden’s money to Gordon and than go into next season with a front line of Noah, Thomas, Gray and Noce? As Bullsblogger notes, they were going to have to spend money to get a decent big man next season anyway so they were going to have clear up more cap space than just Drew Gooden. I don’t think the Bulls had any intention of signing Gordon with Gooden’s money to begin with; they have had ample opportunity to clear cap space to sign him before and have chosen not to.
And really if we keep Gordon, so what. Even with Gordon this is a 35 win team. I don’t think this current group of Bulls players have shown enough to invest in 2 guys (Gordon and Deng) long term that can’t produce more wins. Better to have the cap flexibility to pursue 2010 free agents and/or resign Thomas and Noah when the time comes.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if you are going to get all technical about it.
Then we traded Noc/Gooden for Miller (the backup center)/Salmons (the taller psuedo replacement for the soon to be departing Gordon)
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Can't Play with A Broken Leg
you ARE a pussy. Just ask Coach Ditka. This lunch-bucket Grabowski mentality is the essence of Chicago sports. Sloan and Van Lier. Blood on the floor. Smashmouth! Play baseball without a cup and a helmet. Get off the bus running! We don’t like Deng because he’s lean. We like our sports heroes to have more meat on their bones. Fuck it, lets go hurt somebody. Must be the weather.
by Cannoli on Mar 12, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
good post!-i gotta be honest-as archaic as your post sounds-
That’s what i want to watch…and I’m an educated neanderthal that eats sushi once per week. Still, when it comes to sports (which i think we can agree is nothing more than entertainment?) that’s what i want to see. I want to watch a team of players busting their butts…leaving everything out there on the floor night in night out. We dont have a Kobe, or MJ or Magic or Payton on this team…we dont have a guy that talent and skill alone can keep us in every single game, even with 70% effort.
So the alterantive is energy! And for my money. I want to see it.
Seriously?
when you have invested 70+ million guaranteed dollars in someone, do you really chance injuring them severely to chase the 8th seed? He wasn’t very effective in his last few games anyways. Playing through pain is toughness, playing through injuries is stupid.
Well according to Thorpe ESPN today
Tyrus Thomas is playing pretty injured right now after that Randolph block and his incredibly awkward fall (I thought he was gonna be done for the year)…..that was nasty.
While the Bulls haven’t invested $70M on Tyrus yet, he’s more important to our future than Luol.
Are you talking about his knee?
Tyrus was quoted in the Trib today saying it’s fine and they just had that “intense” practice so I think he’s alright. He’s young, should heal fine. You’d think Deng is too, but who knows if his age is really correct – he certainly looks older than 24 – with him being born in the Sudan. And before everyone jumps all over me I have absolutely no way of proving this at all, just something I’ve always wondered about Deng.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 13, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit
that was Tim Thomas who was quoted about saying he practiced the whole time, despite his knee, my bad.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And I do think Deng’s 24, he doesn’t look old, even with the old man goatee thing this year….
As for Tyrus, he’s still playing hard, but that fall was beyond nasty and I was surprised to hear David Thorpe talking about it because I’ve heard nothing from the Bulls end….but I presume that he must be hurt, because it’s odd to quote something today from a fall that ocurred what Monday or was it Saturday?
Oh...
Things have been a blur with work actually….
Doesn’t surprise me though that this org is thinking short term, and doens’t surprise me also that this org that is thinking short term is seeing poor results because we’re not good at thinking short term and tend to waste development for long term.
i just dont understand
why thorpe is talking about that when it was over a week ago?? when we didn’t hear anything else about it??
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Maybe because
He has spoken with Tyrus like he said he did and Tyrus is in more pain than he’s lead on, which is partially a reason to explain for the little dip the past 2-3 games…
Indeed, they seem to be. ;)
Things have been a blur with work actually….
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 13, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I know I’m on here a bit, but that’s because we have these 1-3 minute gaps at times while things run from the systems……or the templates more likely….it’s been crazy, and I can’t stand staring at a screen while something’s processing…..
At least next week is mostly meetings, and reviews, which is much better than the data processing side where these gaps cause me fits.
The post I was responding to made my head spin. :)
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't surprise me
with the way the org runs this game and doesn’t surprise me when…..
Sorry about that I type ridiculously fast….
im serious that i want tough minded players that play hard.
but once he broke his leg(even if stress fracture), you have to sit him.
But overall, deng is a soft player-his play on th ecourt isnt physical. and then he does appear brittle as well as a disappearing act late in games.
So…i would be dead set on moving him. pump up his value and move him is what i would do.
don't directly copy/paste
the way it was formatted made it seem like you wrote this, not truehoop. I fixed it to make it much uglier yet accurate.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions
Thank You
That was not my intention; I originally posted it as a FanShot that way it wouldn’t look like that but it was requested that I move it to a FanPost so it would be easier to read. Sorry about that.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
yeah, the blockquote-within-blockquote thing makes it tough.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
well, i apologize for the request, then.
However, I didn’t click on the link first because it seemed most of the information was in the fanshot. I generally don’t like copying and pasting entire “articles” by authors. I think it’s pretty shitty that they did all that work and then they don’t get page views because you’re too lazy to edit. I know it sounds like I’m being an ass, but it’s pretty standard.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I'll take it as a lesson learned
I’m semi-new to this so thank you for the advice.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Never attribute to malevolence
that which can be explained by incompetence.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions
Ya know... I try to go by that in general
But I’m having a pretty hard time chalking this one up to mere incompetence.
while i tend to agree
there is a chance it is incompetence; stress fractures are very difficult to spot. i had two in my foot about 6 years ago, and the initial doctor that i saw didn’t diagnose it and gave me a similar “try activity until it hurts” diagnosis. 3 days later they called me back and said they spotted the stress fractures. either way, we have an incompetent medical staff or scumbags calling the shots, and neither option is particularly appealing. as i said below, i hate this fucking organization.
I hate this fucking organization
that is all.
After yesterdays
God awful game with the new assets we have, I’m reformed…
FIRE VINNY DEL NEGRO, he dropped to a C- 2 weeks ago after that horrid showing against Charlotte, now he’s at an F….he needs to motivate, and the complete lack of play calling of late, esp on the road has to fall 100% to him and his assistants.
Fire em all, I expected more from the assistants, and well from Paxson….
Vinny’s at a D, which would be fine if we were the Clippers, but we’re not, we’re the 6 times over champion Bulls, one of the country’s more favorite teams….
We have gobs of talent too, it’s just a mess.
JERRY PAY COACHES NEXT TIME. THis is ludicrous.
Sorry for being the supporter (I did like the fact that we got something from Tyrus and Joakim and played Derrick from the start, but come on, this team is too talented to lose this late in the year by 38 to a team missing 2 of it’s 3 best players, and when it’s best player really didn’t even have a great game by his standards…..
Just a joke.
Sorry all for being the BaB disenter on the Vinny hate. I know one other time I said fire him, then we beat the Magic……now I say fire him and I won’t take it back even if we go 18-0….well maybe I’ll change if we go 18-0, but the chances of that happening are 0.00001%.
Frustrated Bulls fan….I want the best for this team……but again the disappointment yesterday was too great…..it’s got to be the coaches first.
What the hell...
Are the Bulls actively trying to self destruct?
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions
Let's hope so.
Otherwise, if they are not screwing up deliberately, than the level of incompetence continuously demonstrated by this professional franchise would be too much to contemplate for a loyal fan.
Please tell me this organization from the top down to the end of the bench is tanking on purpose to achieve some hidden agenda which will benifit them in the long run.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 12, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Man being a bulls fan is hard
The coach sucks
The team is over/under rated
there too much talent on this team
there isnt enough talent on this team
The organization is all about making money and being cold and heartless
The organization loves its players and wants to do whats best of them even if it gets in the way of the team
Our best scorer probably wont be on this team next year
My favorite player probably wont be on this team next year
Our future star may still not be good enough to rival some of the elites in the league in the future
Our star pf still is an enigma which no one can figure out, is he a bust, a star, or just something in between
Our media and fans are mean as hell…
and finally, i cant stop watching the games or stop being a fan….BOOOO
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
hell yeah dude.
The curious case of Benjamin Gordon
by broseleay301 on Mar 13, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
rose is a beast
but so is westbrook for some reason….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Daaaammmmnnn
You were right I used Rose and shoot well really its not far off I do think he is that good just doesn’t assert himself enough. But its like no lead is to big with Rose in there. Golden State was up around 20 on me (still getting a feel) and the Nets were up 13 in the 4th. Then Rose goes crazy dunking on everyone and taking leaning jumpers.
i dont play much but
its…surprise surprise piccol0mair…..that capital o is actually a zero…..clever huh? I only played a few games online, and that was using my brothers gamertag ( i didnt have my own at the time) but i think im pretty good at the game. Also reply here with your gamertag so i know when you add me thats its you who added me, im not much into having a bunch of online friends on xbox. I usually play at around midnight (i have school and work that take up my entire daytime, and i get home from work at 11ish at night usually.) Tues and Thurs are probably the days you are most likely to catch me.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Mines BESM
I haven’t gotten on it yet though. I’m pretty horrible I’m sure.
I don’t either I hardly get to play but I might be able to catch you before spring is up.
I’m just glad now its not basically “you have more talent you automatically win”.
Mine's IPrevengeI
I’ll try to catch you one of these Thursdays. :D
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Even though you didn't offer to play me!
I’m just awesome like that.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Ill play you...and BEAT YOU
even if it means handing the controller over to my lil brother without you knowing….. :)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
The Org sucks.. Paxson sucks.. and Deng refused two eailier contract offers like he's some kind of big basketball stud?
..larry hughes complex lingers…
Frustration abounds…
man up!
Deng "Grant Dukie Hill" aftermath of blow out in Orlando
Deng will be our less talented poor man’s Grant, and in six years will leave chicago as a free agent to finish his career with the Suns. He’ll probably play in 63-112 games over then next six years.
The Bulls organization feels this pressure and frustration ….
Deng is hurt, and he needs to rest. He’ll be hurt often, lets get acustom to this situation.
Chalk another one up for Paxson & company.. to go along with his other flaws as a poor basketball talent evaluator…
Paxson will continue to create more big holes with organization decisions, and he’ll continue to fill them back up as long as he’s allowed… even results always rebuilding
In the long run we are all dead.
John Maynard Keynes
man up!
The Morrissey Article and England Questions
I know the blog isnt the best place to discuss sports columns but since it was the feature of this post … i am going to go ahead.
My problem with Morrissey’s article was he focused on this one situation with Deng. He should have mentioned that the fans, media, and players in the locker room have been questioning Dengs toughness for years.
Sure maybe the Bulls orginization should have handled an injured player’s press release with more class; but maybe the orginization was fed up with the player’s lack of heart when coming off previous injuries.
The one angle I would really like commented on and not in a Bulls Tidbit or Notes section is what do the Olympics have to do with this. Yao decided to tank the second half of a season to get ready for Beijing and Deng must be thinking about playing for England this summer.
Questions: If the London games are in 2012 then why would this summer matter?
Will Bulls fans be mad if the reason he does or does not opt for surgery is the British National Team?
Is there a double standard for Bball players doing this vs. what is occuring now in the WBC ?
I don't see anything wrong with the venue... in fact I'm gonna go ahead and say what you're saying is bullshit.
:)
I mean, do you have any evidence whatsoever that players in the locker room have been questioning Deng’s toughness for years.
Best I can tell, that’s a completely baseless accusation. Posters at BaB have been questioning Jscho316’s flamboyant homosexuality (not that there’s anything wrong with that) for years.
Just as much merit.
And, “maybe the orginization was fed up with the player’s lack of heart when coming off previous injuries”? Yes. That makes loads of sense. Fed up at stupidity on the part of Jscho316 14 months ago, he was beaten senseless by a masked thug as he walked out of a bar last night.
If we’re going to go off on tangents, let me have my own little rant. In polite society these days, everyone wants to make excuses for people behaving badly. Oh… the Bulls might have been wrong but they were offended. They were resentful. They had a hard childhood. Some tool gave them the finger driving into work this morning.
Give me a break. People need to suck it up, quit with the excuse-making, and recognize things for what they are. Bad behavior is bad behavior, and giving people a free pass when they blow up over some petty perceived slight is ridiculous. There’s a word for people we let get away with such things. We call them children.
Not calling you a child Js… I’m just saying I’m sick of seeing excuse making for, in Jay Williams’ words “grown men” who ought to know better and sure as shit don’t even seem to recognize their behavior as being bad in the first place. Probably because they’ve got so many people making excuses for them.
by Sports2 on Mar 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just lexdiamond who knows "people" in-or-about the organization...
…that say he’s not someone to go to battle with. Or something like that. If you accept LD’s credibility, then yes, they have. I guess he yelled loud enough and enough times that he was finally heard by someone.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Ya know... it might even be true.
But it takes a special kind of genius to think a guy is gutless, keep quiet about it and give him a big contract they can’t get fully insured, and then call him gutless because didn’t go out and take the team’s advice to play on a broken leg.
I don’t know if I’d want to go to battle with Luol Deng, but I’m pretty sure Luol Deng shouldn’t want to go to battle with the Chicago Bulls.
Fair enough
I didn’t understand your rant 100% but I think I got out of it you were mad I raised questions about Deng’s toughness ( my sources for locker room toughness have radio shows in Chicago on two differnt stations) and also that I supported the Bulls decision for writing the very back handed press release?
All I can do to answer a very strange and kind of creepy rant is respond with truth.
1. Luol’s toughness questions didn’t start with this injury, but maybe with the back in Nov. 07 or the Achilles this december or groin in 08. Whether or not he’s unlucky or weak minded he has to answer those questions. Scottie Pippen had to answer the questions after he sat out games against the Pistons in 89 playoffs… he answered them.
2. If your questioning my right to state the orginization may have gone off on Deng in that press release then go ahead and question the rest of the chicago media, print, radio, dumbass Tv like CLTV live also who when the press release was written all said they had never seen an orginization do something like that, so they must be mad at him ( not my words the medias).
Again I didn’t understand the personal offense to my post but whatever the only comeback I can say is …. “I like most of the players on this team. That is all.” -Sports 2
If you like most of the players on this current Bulls team…. best of luck.
I don't take offense and I'm not questioning your "right" to do anything, I'm just saying what you're saying is remarkably silly.
And by “sources”, do you mean you’re just listening to these guys on the radio?
If he is just listening to the radio that is a problem
90% of the personalities and 95% of the content totally sucks.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 13, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
somehow, I still don't fell sorry for Luol
maybe cuz of the media.. organization..maybe its me..or maybe I just don’t miss seeing his lanky ass making bricks like a cement truck
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
This is why I'm always on the player's side.
For the record, I didn’t think we should give Deng a big contract. I would have even been willing to let him go for nothing rather than sign a good role player to an all star’s contract, but I digress.
On the other hand, I never have a problem with a player taking what the Market is willing to bear. Our front office is a joke. Why would you pay a guy all that money just to throw him under the bus when he’s only in the first year of his new deal. If they didn’t think he was tough enough, they should have been sending that message last season. At the very least, they shouldn’t have given him all that money.
Its not like he’s a bad guy with off the court troubles and “cancerous locker room” tendecies. In fact, if he had gotten a more management friendly contract, I doubt there would be this reaction at all. I feel like they’re being vindictive b/c they gave him so much money even though no one made them do it. They didn’t give Ben the contract he wanted, so I wouldn’t have been shocked if he would have had phantom injuries this year to stick it to management. Quite the contrary, he’s been playing his ass off in spite of management giving him the finger.
"cancerous locker room" tendecies
…that would be VDN. When will this stop?
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Mar 12, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
When we get blasted a few more times and DRose starts dropping the "he's not happy" hints
Even JR and Pax know this is still a player-dominated league, so once a prized member of the team gives the sign, that will be all she wrote for VDN.
Deng's a fraud!
If Deng was halfway decent, then people would give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s just that Luol’s game is soft and weak! This is why people feel he’s being soft with his ability to deal with pain. The worst signing in franchise history! I would be pissed if I was the Bulls organization! This guy hasn’t earned 1 cent of his contract.
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Didn't we know what kind of player Deng was before he signed the contract?
Is it Deng’s fault for taking the money or management’s fault for offering it in the first place?
by PeteRoc on Mar 12, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was in shock when they signed him for that much.
I thought he was like the main reason for last seasons flop. Please don’t draft anymore Dukies either. Their spoiled brats. (Just my opinion)
Personally I could careless about Deng. He had one good playoffs series against that old Heat team and the shrank against the Pistons. Oh yeah and he was injured the year before that. I always thought he was this generations version of Danny Manning.
Not only that he doesn’t really fit with Rose. He just wants his little jump shots that he seems to brink when you need them the most.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 12, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow fucked that up....
sorry gf is in my ear it’s kinda hard to type when she keeps yelling at me.
Anyways I really dislike Deng.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
Right, the proper spelling is "Dookies", not "Dukies". ;)
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 12, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree that he can't fit with rose
he showed he could when he came back from injury. the fact that deng doesn’t fit in the offense is vinny’s fault, cause there IS no offense. deng doesn’t create his own shot very often and that’s the only type of offense that they ever run.
that said, i understand your other points.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I don't think anyone will ever fit with Rose
As long as they keep playing “it’s my turn to dribble for 10, then shoot” offense. Until a real coach comes in and instills a real gameplan until Derrick is ready to do whatever he pleases (and if he’s not, then who gives a shit, you can still be a dominant PG within a successful offensive system, not everyone has to be an improvisational master like CP3 or Kidd).
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 12, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I guess I thought when they drafted Deng he would become
a good post up player. I seem to have had a false opinion of him when he played in college because I thought Duke used him more in the post which is what I thought the Bulls would have done but he’s become more of a spot up shooter.
I think Skiles tried that for a week but they ended up going away from posting Deng.
I remember thinking about that draft that BG was lights out for Uconn great pick and Deng has upside but I’m not sure about what that is. I just remember so much hype about Deng but never really got blown away with his play. He sometimes looks like he’s playing in sand.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
Don't insult Danny Manning like that!
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems to me that
Luol Deng cares more about playing for GB and qualifying for the olympics than he does playing for the Bulls and thats why he is to recover without surgery. This guy needs to go and take VDN with him and the Bulls need to sign Ben Gordon.
I was at the game last night in Orlando and I noticed that Rose is playing at a slower pace than Hinrich when bringing the ball down court. The Bulls need to pick-up the pace so that the opposing defense has no time to do anything. It worked for us with Skiles system.
Wow, I kind of miss Skiles.
Yeah Rose has a lot of flaws when teams have seen him once or twice.
I have a few issues with his kinda casualness at times. I know this is a Luol Deng post but you raise a good point about Rose kinda jogging around. He needs a good coach it’s just depressing watching this kid digress.
Did you see him trap Wade? That was unreal. He just stood there. I don’t like the way he approaches opposing point guards on defense he almost stands there waiting for them to just set up the offense.
He can be over causal at times during the game which just makes me crazy. Like when the Bulls are struggling thats his time to pull them out and thats was stars do.
I thought the Bulls as an organization believed in Defense and to sellout to a system like the Suns maddens me. You just have to lock down to win. Thats why Vinny has to go and they need to bring in a guy with a defensive mindset. They look unorganized on offense anyways.
sorry got off track.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I could handle a system like the Suns.
If they were actually running it. Instead, we’re running a high school style offense out there. I sense that on offense, DRose is trying slowing down to try to run whatever crap of an offense they have. Doing so is bearable if they actually get into an offense that has some semblance of innovation or comes across as “something they’ve picked up from scouting the other team.” The only sign of the latter in the Orlando game was the decision to post DRose a few times. But that still falls in the category of going 1 on 1. You can’t tell me that a coach with half a brain couldn’t simply steal ideas from what other teams have done to your future opponents. I refuse to believe its that hard. Instead, we get treated to the same crap, over and over again.
On the contrary, after DRose’s early season sucess, every team learned that defense (pick/roll in particular) was his achilles heel. So what do we see every game now….teams frequently running some kind of pick/roll with whomever DRose is guarding. That’s called scouting, preparation, etc. Now…a good coach would respond by either having the defender on the pick man trap the ball handler or at least show help until DRose can recover. In other words, a good coach would protect his best player.
Jeez…do we have to start scouting and preparing the team through this blog?
see I don't like the Suns system because I don't feel it
can win during playoff time when everything is half court running your plays getting it to your star. The Suns system is so free and chuck happy I just don’t see it working for a title contender.
What the Bulls run I don’t even think is the Suns system.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
The Bulls run he Suns system,
only instead of using quick scores they get into the halfcourt offense so they can run iso pick and roles 50 million times.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Rose = OVERRATED!
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're joking
If not, you should ban yourself before Matt gets to you.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
do not speak for my BanHammer
besides, I really don’t ban people for being stupid. Just stupid AND insistent.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 13, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations dude you went FULL retard!
Some people only go half, but you did it!
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 12, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rose is certainly NOT overrated as far as potential.
However, the lack of any consistency and proper scheme on the court is really hurting his play.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 12, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be ridiculous...
To judge a rookie any other way.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
This organization has burned a hole in my brain!
Overrated in the sense that he isn’t a #1 guy. To me he’s a #2. That’s why this organization needs Wade to come here in the worst way. Rose is too passive for my taste. He plays passive during a good chunk of games + he is not a leader. It’s not fair to compare Jordan to Rose because nobody is Michael. But M.J. was a leader and came at you hard every game his rookie year. Basically Rose is playing like a 36 year old Jordan from ‘98. Michael had to pick his spots to dominate due to his age. Rose should be coming at you constantly. Plus I don’t want to hear….oh Rose is only 20. Michael was only 21.
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rose has come in playing a single season of college basketball,
to what may be the worst-coached team in the league. We don’t run sets, and he’s a point guard.
There’s a lot of things working against him right now.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Maybe Paxson was right this summer,
when he said that Rose will need time to develop and we should not expect him to be a consistently great player right away.
That being said, Paxson better do what is takes to provide proper coaching and teammates for the Bulls most valuable on-court asset.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 13, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Paxson fulfilled his own predictions.
He hired a coach with no experience and dedicated the year to teaching Rose what losing badly is like. Woo! Looks like they want him to be really late blooming. Pax can pat himself on the back or have Jerry do it.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Yes, Paxson needs to fix this coaching mistake this summer,
or resign his position to someone who can fix it.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 13, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You are going to get flamed but I have to agree
Saying he’s over-rated isn’t saying he’s. It’s just he’s not Chris Paul 2
Rose is obviously talented, but he’s not another Chris Paul like people were hoping for. I’ve seen Steve Blake, Mario Chamers, and DJ Augustin outplay him. At this point, it can’t even be said he was the best point guard in his class. It may turn out that he is, but I think it’s too soon to say that he’s going to be a yearly all-star (and it’s too soon to say he’s not as well).
I agree with whomever said that Rose is impeded by apparently lousy coaching. Rose’s D is visibly bad. But he’s clearly athletic and he visibly puts effort into playing defense. The fact that his defense hasn’t improved is a huge indictment of the coaching staff I think.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 13, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
"Saying he’s over-rated isn’t saying he’s mediocre, he is good"
What I meant to type
by hitlesswonder on Mar 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Reading this makes me go
Well, at least I’m not a Bulls fan. Ack! Talk about total dysfunction. I don’t understand why anybody would publicly open Deng to criticize on the low like that. It makes little sense, both from a franchise building standpoint, and if you want to trade him, that realm too.
Bulls Franchise assets: Derrick Rose, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Blog a Bull, huge market (translation: ability to make $$$$)
Bulls Franchise debits: Everything else
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I haven't lived in Chicago for almost 8 years now...
But I was born there and lived there until I was 28. Being a Bulls fan used to be easy (ala MJ, Scottie, and 6 championships). I even had season tickets through the crap years of Marcus Fizer, Jalen Rose, and Khalid El-Amin (hence the nickname here). Living in other cities I have grown acustomed to defending our team, but the organization (oxymoron?) is beyond defense and has been for quite some time now. I still can’t bring myself to cheer against the Bulls, but it’s become all too easy to follow the rest of the NBA in absentia.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 12, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Battlefield preparation?
If you want to dump a guy you’ve spent several years talking about as a great person, maybe they believe they need to make him into a heel first.
It isn't like they didn't blaze that trail with Gordon already.
If the org wants everyone to think badly of you they can very easily get it done. Welcome to the club, Deng.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I never understood the Ben Gordon hate
The guy is what he is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I'm guessing people hate him for not being Jordan
The fact is that he’s an above average player with a skill in short supply on the Bull’s roster. His defense and lack of height are issues, but I think he’s better than the “sixth man” the media thinks he should be.
Again, I think that a good coach could use Gordon effectively as a starter on a winning team.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 13, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
WHY CAN'T HE BECOME TALLER?!?!?
Over/under on Ben Gordon love if he played in platform shoes: +35%
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I realize you're trying to explain the retardation that is the Bulls organization
But, umm, Sports, you’re not retarded. You realize what kind of actual sense that makes, right? I don’t personally want Deng (I don’t think he fits in with what the Kings need), but there is roughly 10 teams out there that would love him. They will ignore the Bulls pleas for better talent if the Bulls organizations continues to allow for a subtle denigration of him in public.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
It's not aimed at other teams, it's aimed at casual Bulls fans
For every nutbar like us that spends his days talking about basketball on the web, there are (at least) a hundred who get their info from snips, quick quotes, and headlines because, well… they’re just not as into it as we are.
And while I believe that these guys don’t need to be “prepared” for a Deng trade and more than we do, I think the organization has the sense that they might. They believe, I think, if they trade away “fan favorites” and “team guys” and whatnot, people are going to tune them out. On the other hand, if you’re the sort of guy who wants to see good rewarded and bad punished, they think, you’ll give the Bulls a pat on the back for it.
There’s an episode of the Simpsons where Smithers asks Mr Burns what people would think if Burns fired Homer on the heals of running bart over with his car. Burns imagines headlines like “Burns Fires Ungrateful Employee” and “Another Smart Move for Burns”.
Far be it from me to suggest that people, even smart ones, occasionally think that way… but they do. :)
Only a homer like Paxson would
think of something as stupid and unnecessay as “preparing” the fanbase/media/Chicagoland for a trade of a “fan favorite”. You know who would immediatley be a fan favorite? Anyone who comes in and smacks John Paxson in the face, packs up VDN’s office and throws it on the street and brings forth a plan that has these idiots back in playoff contention.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha I know that was a little rash of me
but seriously Pax? You’re really worried about the effects of losing this “fan favorite”? I like Luol and think he’s great but shit, if we can trade him for someone who’s cheaper, more consistent and less injury-prone I’ll pack his bags and drive his ass to the airport free of charge.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Great?! huh! You must throw "Great" around often....
I guess Marcus Fizer was great too huh?
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant great
in the sense that he’s a great guy, great personality and he’s a solid player. And you should be careful before rushing to judgment and questioning my opinions…especially considering you just said Derrick Rose is “overrated”
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 12, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot great teeth and smile.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 12, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he has a great personality at all!
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
My arbitrary standards for personality are not met!
Banish him to the far regions of hell!
by stringerbel on Mar 12, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I "should be carefull?" hahahhaha
why?
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Because otherwise you sound like a moron.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 12, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right. Exactly my thoughts.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 13, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
JOHNNY BULLSHIT DOES IT AGAIN
The curious case of Benjamin Gordon
by broseleay301 on Mar 13, 2009 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions
thanks for the laugh!
Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL
by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me
I forgot about all the idiot casual fans that every fanbase has. Thanks for the correction.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
FUCKING JOHNNY BULLSHIT, IMA KILL YAH
The curious case of Benjamin Gordon
by broseleay301 on Mar 13, 2009 4:29 AM CDT reply actions
70 million dollar man
deng is getting 70 million, he should be there playing. or trying to play with less minutes. when he signed his contract he became the leader of the team. so i think the people in chicago judging him is justified. when he was playing he wasn’t play to the level of a guy who makes 70 million.
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