I demand the Bulls do the following deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=17113224302830303032304134231727&teams=2121212121444&te=&cash=

For Amare, the Suns should want 9M in cap space in ’09: Gooden & Simmons, both expiring contracts
plus
the Bulls best young talent: Tyrus, Noah, And Thabo
plus
the Bulls to take a bad contract back: Dragic, NBDL-bound @ 1.7M / year.

I’ll throw in Amundson just so the Bulls can field a team.

That leaves the Bulls starting:
Amare
Noce
Deng
BG
Rose
with a bench of: Hinrich, Gray, and Amundson, among others.

The Suns remain a playoff contender, starting:
Shaq
Tyrus
Hill
J.Rich
Nash
with a bench of: Barbosa, Noah, Lopez, Thabo, (and Gooden?).

I believe it would then become more difficult to sign BG in the offseason. My understanding was that the Bulls need Gooden’s contract to come off the books in order to offer BG more than the MLE.

Anybody know if that’s true?

explaining why we shouldn’t get Amare – because he’s had microfracture surgery, because he’s four years older than Tyrus, because he’ll demand twice Tyrus’ salary, because he plays in Coors Field, because Rose won’t be fully developed until Amare’s contract is up.

I deleted both – we really need the guy. As much as I like Tyrus and Noah, we’re never going to win a championship with those two starting at the 4 and 5. And really, what PF is better offensively for our team. Amare’s a 25.0 PER, .588 TS% career playoff player. I mean christ. If it takes both Tyrus and Noah, I do it.

…those are the 3 obvious MLE FA targets the Bulls could pair alongside Amare in the frontcourt next year. Right now Varejao is a slight step up from Noah (and a perfect complement to Amare). Bass has a much better offensive game than Noah, and would look fine starting next to Amare, though you’d prefer a more defensively-minded big. Andersen would be okay in a pinch on a 1-2 year deal, as long as Noah doesn’t leave his stash behind.

Also, a team in desperate need of a PG and a crazy Argentinan might be willing to swap a decent big for Hinrich &/or Noce.

The point being, Noah’s a nice player, and would look good next to Amare, but he shouldn’t be a deal-breaker.
 
If the Bulls can’t get Amare for Noah, Tyrus, Thabo, Gooden, and a #1, then so be it. But they’ve got to make the offer.

With Rose, Amare, and Deng as the big three (young, long, fast, and athletic). Having Amare would make everyone elses offensive game just that good. He would command double teams, picture him throwing it backout to Ben or Deng for a jumper, or to Rose for a driving layup. Or Deng slashing to the cup with a pass from Amare or Rose or the other way around. My point is good passing and good finishing would be what a team like that would be capable of. And let’s not forget Deng has better playoff averages then regular season. About Amare and his defense and rebounding, I think he’s capable of doing both (maybe a change of scenary).

Im a big Tyrus and not an Amare fan but bulls need Amare more. If Suns want Kirk to backup both guard spots, and seems like they’re not too happy with Barbosa and Dragic. Maybe this would work:

Tyrus+Thabo+Kirk for Dragic and Amare or If they want to trade Barbosa, bulls add Gooden. Plus draft picks here and there, it might work.

Barbosa and Dragic doesn’t fit Porter’s system and both has 3yrs remaining. Barbosa can be a cheaper version of Gordon while Dragic can backup rose.

Tyrus+Gooden is a better combo to Shaq. Tyrus is more of a weakside player and slasher and can provide shot blocking and athleticsm while gooden shoots mid range shots.

Maybe Bulls can give “future considerations” where we take Jrich for Hughes expirer if things doesn’t workout for the suns and decide to rebuild full time.

They can also have Noce for free if they want too lol

I’m just not willing to involve Tyrus in any deal to get Amare. We’re talking about a guy whose had micro surgery, a malcontent, and a guy who refuses to play defense. Outside of the point production, hot does he help? The Bulls this year aren’t hurting on offense. They actually don’t have a problem scporing points. Their problem is defensively in the post and I just don’t know how much better this team would be getting rid of possibly the best shot blocker in basketball who’s 22 and hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential. I’m more willing to give up Deng than Tyrus. But maybe that’s just me.

I am amazed at the number and quality of players that are rumored to be up for grabs. So many allstar and allstar caliber players are seemingly available. This situation is due to two factors:
1) the 2010 free agent market.
2) there are only 4 real contenders for this years Championship (LA, CLEV, BOS, SA). Some teams are trying to become more “contendable” and other teams are trying to unload as much as they can.

Amare has great potential on the Bulls roster. He is the inside dominance that has been missing for many years. I don’t want to see Hinrich, Rose or Noah go though.

…with a big 3 of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, with Deng allegedly being our best player in the mix.

I could not believe how many Bulls fans thought the mix of the second three could do anything more than overachieve and win a playoff series here and there. They play hard and that’s admirable. But neither of those guys is elite at anything (except maybe Gordon and his shooting).

Now with Stoudemire, Rose and Deng as the focal point (with Deng clearly being 3rd in the pecking order), THAT’S more like it. I can accept Gordon walking if this is the three we would move forward with. We’d simply need to replace Gordon with a Raja Bell type. I’d be completely comfortable building around these three 20 somethings and my hopes as a Bulls fan can expand past the first round of the playoffs.

In that mix of 3, you’ve got 2 elite talents and possibly the best third option in the league in Deng. As Rose develops, this 3 headed monster becomes more and more dangerous and with some hard work, dedication and leadership this trio leads the Bulls back to prominence.

But we’ll have to see how things work out. No guarantee yet that Phoenix will move him. One thing I know tough. Tyrus Thomas will emerge and lead the league in blocked shots next season while averaging a double double if he ends up in Phoenix. People will stop viewing him as sub-par in comparison with LaMarcus Aldridge.

(1) Declining production this season;

(2) A history of catastrophic injury;

(3) A reputation for being an indolent malcontent.

If Amare was a truly indispensible, elite superstar, the Suns wouldn’t be willing to trade him, in my opinion.

In any event, VDN has neither the coaching pedigree nor the credibility to effectively manage and motivate a veteran “star” like Amare. I could easily envision a scenario where a disgruntled Amare becomes the de facto emperor of the Bulls, a la Ben Wallace in the waning twilight of the Skiles era.

Paxson will call Steve so that he can tell Bulls’ fans that he tried. But Amare is not a “character guy” that Paxdorf looks for. Plus Detroit can offer a better deal.

Sheed, Rip, and Tayshaun for JRich, Amare, and Barbosa. That keeps the suns really competitive. Actually shaves off 1 million for this year. Sheed comes off the books next year. And Detroit still gets to be about 7 million under the salary cap next year (Iverson’s Expiring, who I think they should deal to Dallas for J-Kidd) and has a core of Stuckey, Amare, and JRich, to along with role players like Maxiell and Amir Johnson.

Also, Hinrich is not going to be traded. Give up hope. Paxson doesn’t want to lose Hinrich and Gordon. And there is no way Gordon resigns with the Bulls. He wants to be paid top dollar. 10 million a year was a fair offer. He wants more. And the suns aren’t going to pay him either. Because he just isn’t that good. Undersized, no defense, streaky jump shooter. A poor man’s Gilbert Arenas. (when he was healthy) And the suns are looking for Defense, that’s not Gordon.

Tyrus is coming along better than I expected. But now is the time to trade him. He is only 6’8. Can’t really shoot. Doesn’t really have a post up game. I think we are seeing the best he can produce. 14-7 and about 2 blocks. Pretty good. But no Amare.

Unfortunately the only deal the Bulls will make is a minor one. Getting rid of Larry Hughes.

i have a serious fear that vinny will convince pax that stoudemire is not the “team” guy chicago needs. Maybe i over value his influence on his higher ups, but i fear it none the less. also i would trade the right combo of players not named rose to get stat

Tyrus
15gms .474(FG) .750(FT) 0.1(3pts) 11.5(pts) 6.5(rebs) 1.1(ast) 0.9(stl) 2.2(blks) 1.4(TO)
3gms .500(FG) .737(FT) 0.7(3pts) 17.3(pts) 11.7(rebs) 2.0(ast) 1.0(stl) 2.3(blks) 2.3(TO)

Amare
16gms .498(FG) .820(FT) 0.0(3pts) 19.3(pts) 7.6(rebs) 1.8(ast) 0.6(stl) 1.1(blks) 2.9(TO)
4gms .471(FG) .871(FT) 0.0(3pts) 18.8(pts) 9.5(rebs) 1.0(ast) 1.0(stls) 0.3(blks) 3.0(TO)

the fact that Amare is a world-class jagoff that will basically destroy any semblance of team chemistry that exists? I tell Amare thanks, but no thanks, we’ve already gone thru this b.s. with Douchebag A: Ben Wallace, and Douchebag B: Eddie Robinson?

Build with the guys you’ve got.

Matt, I’m w/you, both because Gordon needs to stay on the floor unless we need to shut somebody down, in which case I want Thabo there, and b/c I’m willing to trade Deng to get Amare. Forgive me if I’m redundant, but Amare has Luol’s range and a more agressive offensive demeanor. We have guys who can space the floor, Deng’s not one of them, and our joint will be mad crowded if Rose, Amare, Deng, and whoever is playing 5 are all shooting form midrange or closer. Amare can dominate inside, and he’ll still pull more rebounds than Deng. If we have him, he’ll stay motivated b/c we’ll be feeding him. I don’t want to trade Tyrus OR Joakim. I’ve always thought some of us were wrong projecting Tyrus as, first, a Ben Wallace type, and on this thread, oddly a Stoudemire type, when he seems more to me like a Marion-type, light/mobile/good defensive instincts/shot-in-progress.
We talk about getting contracts off the books, but really, Nocioni and Hinrich’s contracts get easier to swallow or move as time goes on, and if we hang onto Tyrus and Noah, we could use Noc at the 3 exclusively. I’d start Rose Gordon Noc Amare Noah,
w/Thabo, and Tyrus as situational 6th men, and Kirk as my backup point.