Bulls 107, Hornets 93: Bulls starters better than Hornets MASH unit
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 8:26 AM CST
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PrintI still think it's mostly due to injury than enlightenment, but for whatever reason Vinny stuck by Rose/Gordon/Deng/Thomas/Noah, I'm happy about it.
It was pretty evident early that the Hornets had little chance with no Paul or Chandler, and were especially woeful on defense, but I still pretended that instead of an outgunned opponent, that it was the not-to-distant-future and this would be the vision of them against good teams.
Not a perfect game, there was a bit of a lull in the 2nd half (the bench didn't really do much this game) and the way Vinny fawns over 'Kurt' Hinrich and Drew Gooden still gives me pause. But with Rose, Thomas, and Noah all looking great...that's pretty much what I need to enjoy myself watching this team.
Not that I still don't want trades. Oh how I want a trade. I thought for sure Hughes would be gone a couple weeks ago, and instead the rumors have gone silent. But I don't have complete trade-lust, maybe instead just mess with those bench guys.
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New plan when Noc and Gray are the rebounding threats in the 5 man
Make all the shots so there’s nothing for them to rebound.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Average Age of last night's starting lineup: 23 years, 102 days old.
If you give this team two years together, I can’t imagine they won’t be one of the better teams in the league. You give it three to four years together, I can’t imagine it won’t be one of the elite starting units, with four of the guys still under 28. And if you can bring in an upgrade at a position and do a good job creating a second unit……
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Problem is
It get’s expensive as all the young guns will want new non rookie contracts, and they’ll have value given their age if they keep playing like this, so it’ll be hard to keep them….
I don't like it either
But it’s what happens (And it’s what’s going to happen in Portland).
I think it’s due to their age that Pax didn’t pull a trigger because he didn’t know which of the 3 (Kirk, Luol, BG) was the best to keep…..arguments still can be made for all 3….
no, im grrrr.. ing at you...
…because i wanted to type out a well-thought, rational rebuttal, and then realized it was useless with you. So I deleted it.
It’s what’s going to happen in Portland? Do you know anything?
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It's more than likely
what will happen in Portland in a fwe years….if they win it all this year or next year before the contracts come up that’ll change things, but they have TOO MANY assets,a nd while on paper that’s always great there comes times when you have to blow things up.
They likely will make a trade to remedy this though…
I don’t understand what the f your problem is.
You're convinced you're right every time you type, won't change your mind...
…won’t accept counter-arguments ,and you aren’t smart enough to be able to do that.
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I accept fine
And I am probably more intelligent that you anywho…but I’m not going there.
You just never write comments, you merely think them in your head and say you’re too lazy to write them…..and follow the bab masses.
Did you just "go there" and then say you're "not going there".
That’s intelligence on display, right “there”. But I won’t go there either. :-)
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I don't understand with you
How we disagree then you start insulting….
I mean come on now.
The “there” was I didn’t want to waste my time on another useless Tyger argument about your need for an ego stroke….and I’m not. Done with this conversation.
I wouldn’t mind talking NBA with you, because as I’ve said when you do put thoughts in, I think your points are good, but don’t understand why you feel the need to either not defend a statement or start the idiotic name callings/etc.
I mostly try to ignore you since your writings do nothing for me.
I wish you’d do the same because I have flaw where I feel the need to respond.
And how can you say you like reading what I type and that I have good points when you constantly say I have no original ideas and just follow the masses?
Do you make ANY sense?
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The few times
You do put thought on here (instead of just repeating someone else’s ideas and then linking to them to second your point), you’re pretty good and I’ve said that in my posts to you.
Seriously, I don’t get you…..at all and definitely never try to start a fight.
Arguing about this player or that player or this idea or that idea is why there are blogs.
If we’re all hunky dory what’s the point.
It’s all for fun, no need to just go on a tirade on me over nothing.
And hey
If I cause that much ire in you, I’m sorry…..
I will try to hold back a bit and not argue my points. I do read everything you write.
I definitely don’t want to waste time arguing…..and am sorry.
You might be smarter than me, too.
But A) you’re not conveying it well.
OR
B) if you think I’m an idiot that has no original thoughts, does saying you’re smarter than me have any relevance?
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Portland's deep-pockets owner has basically said he'll pay anything.
He’s told his GM that money should never prevent them from keeping a guy if he’s good for the team.
He's paid tons of money when it was going down the shitter
If he’s going to pay a coked out, fat Shawn Kemp, why wouldn’t he give LaMarcus Aldridge a 6 year 72 million dollar contract?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
He was already fat as hell in Cleveland before he was traded
I can’t vouch when he became an addict, but the argument was that Paul Allen won’t pay his young studs. Roy, LMA, and Oden will be handsomely rewarded. Everyone else on that team isn’t even that good that they aren’t replaceable.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I was young
And don’t remember, I remember him in Seattle. I was in my anti everything stages during that time.
I agree with taht point
But what if Rudy F continues to climb up the charts….what if Oden is merely a role player? What if Roy’s ankle injuries (it might be knee, I know there’s injury concerns) swell. What if Outlaw, Batum, Bayless, Webster finally break out….
Nothing’s a given with a young roster, and with all their talent on that young roster.
Roy is the real deal, Oden and LMA look like the counterparts, but imagine if Bayless breaks out…our their SF’s? What then….
That’s all.
So?
The point is, if they aren’t “going well”, why the hell would he pay them?
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Because
it might be tough like it was with Pax to determine which is the guy to keep and which is the replaceable (obviously Roy isn’t in that equation at all, you pay him, and likely Oden given his size that’s an investment worth making)….
See, you're missing the point. Again.
Pritchard and Allen won’t make that distinction. It won’t be one or the other.
The Bulls obviously thought Gordon was worth more than what they offered, otherwise they wouldn’t have offered an amount that started at salary that bumped right up against the luxury tax. They don’t come up with that salary figure any other way. They wanted to pay Gordon more money than they offered and keep both of the guys, but wanted Deng more, so they locked him up first.
I know it’s not simple, but I can’t believe it’s THAT complicated.
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Again
I don’t understand the disconnect.
If they lock up Roy for near Max money, and then run into a situation where Outlaw, Webster, Fernandez, Oden, Batum, Bayless all start to show signs of breaking out) it might be tough for them to decide who they can keep. No team can afford to max out all those players (well maybe New York can, and the Lakers, and well who know the Bulls though they never would) but certainly the Blazer’s can’t.
Let’s say they lock up Roy and Oden and LMA, and in that last year Bayless starts to look like the real deal……there’s little chance they can keep him.
They also will have fill in roll player types to pay.
i don’t understand your point I guess. And again don’t understand the need to say things like THAT complicated when it’s obvious you’re not including everything you’re thinking.
Otherwise I don’t get you at all, because ultimately there’s only so much $$ to go around, and guys who perform are most likely going to want to get paid (especially young guys on the rise, less so with veterans maybe who already had huge contracts in the past and now want to play for the title runs)…..
This doesn't make sense
How can 7 players all have breakout seasons? Someone is going to be kicked to the curb in terms of production. Also, Outlaw and Webster are both signed to extensions already.
And Pritchard won’t play favorites with his roster. If he feels Aldridge deserves the money at the same time as Roy, they’ll both get it. There is no luxury tax concern, nor is there any precedent from Paul Allen to refuse to have a huge payroll. This is actually a good thing because the Blazers’ front office has the chance to evaluate each young player on their rookie deals and evaluate their potential. There’s a reason Outlaw and Sergio are always mentioned in trades, yet Aldridge or Rudy rarely/never are.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
It's not all
At the same time, but what if the others (not LMA-Oden-Roy) break out in the next 2 years….looks like much of their team is up for revised contracts soon.
What if they lock up the big 3 and it seems a Bayless blows up and looks like a star, while good out of the gate LMA falters….
What if Oden isn’t what they hoped and can’t ever play much O?
What if they lock up Roy and the injury bug hits…
I’m being a bit too generic when I mention all 7, obviously not all 7 at once, but they’re going to have 6-7 up for new contracts in 2 years…and quite a few can show very viable roles on that team and folks will see what they can do and offer big time bucks to leave….
I mean my take is that Roy’s the ticker on that team keeping everyone in check, say he gets hurt and the others have a Bullsian 2007-2008 type year as they try to figure out their way without the leader…… Oden’s going to get locked up regardless given his age, size, and athleticism…..LMA’s getting the early hype as a nice 3rd option whom they may have to pay more like a 2nd or first option with all the somewhat undue Sheed comparisons (like a young, SANE version of Sheed)….
Then they’ve got Fernandez who’s coveted by many already, Bayless, Batum…..I mean tehir team is stacked, and unlike the Lakers they are all very young into rookie contracts that will be expiring and will necessitate big paychecks.
They’ve done a great job in the draft (and had some luck to boot) and it’s a nice thing to be in, but they are going to have to make some decisions in 2 years once this team is finally starting to mature into the real title threat, rather than the cinderella playoff buster for 1 of the title threat teams it is today.
I am saying
That some are going to get kicked to the curb, and if Pritchard thinks LMA deserves the big $$ and pays him only to find out LMA is more Joe Smith (nice to have, jump shooting role player) and not the 2nd Rasheed Wallace….then what.
Or let’s say he does a BG/Deng type thing with the roster trying to decide between the 2 LMA and Roy (though it seems surely to be Roy, but if Roy gets hurt….and he has injury risks going back to his college days)….how will LMA play through that?
I don’t think they can pay both big time money because of the fear then of losing Oden, and regardless of what Oden’s paly on the court is in 2 years, he’s getting at least more than Bogut if not Max money.
Let's make it simple as tyger and ozzie obviously haven't gotten through
Paul Allen will not let money be an issue for this team. It’s not an issue. Money doesn’t matter. Paul Allen can afford for this team to have 5 starters making the max if that’s what Pritchard deems appropriate. Luxury tax:Paul Allen::Bad guys:Chuck Norris
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by snley on Feb 5, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If they all break out into deserving max contracts...
…why can’t they keep them? They’d be the best team in the history of forever.
Let’s say they lock up Roy and Oden and LMA, and in that last year Bayless starts to look like the real deal……there’s little chance they can keep him.
You have no basis to say that. Paul Allen is a rich, rich man and has said money will not be the problem in keeping a player.
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To further my first point and tie it in with the second.
The greatest team in the history of forever will make a shit ton of money + money Paul Allen already has + Allen’s previous statements = MONEY WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE!
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Again
We’ll see. I highly doubt it won’t be an issue.
But if I’m wrong I’m wrong. Apparently you guys know Paul Allen well….and that’s why he and Pritchard didn’t threaten the league about Darius…..
Rich rich men typically don’t like to overspend overspend overspend and lose, lose, lose.
There’s only so much $$ around to stay in the black.
Why would they lose, lose, lose?
If Oden sucked they wouldn’t pay him a lot of money………because he sucks. And you want to know how Paul Allen has spent his money before?
1 Scottie Pippen $13,750,000
2 Rasheed Wallace $12,600,000
3 Shawn Kemp $11,720,000
4 Damon Stoudamire $11,250,000
5 Arvydas Sabonis $11,250,000
6 Rod Strickland $10,000,000
7 Steve Smith $8,100,000
8 Dale Davis $6,000,000
9 Greg Anthony $3,500,000
10 Will Perdue $2,250,000
11 Detlef Schrempf $2,200,000
12 Bonzi Wells $1,528,440
13 Gary Grant $1,316,969
14 Stacey Augmon $923,500
15 Erick Barkley $712,200
16 Antonio Harvey $611,000
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2001.html
Around 95 million dollars for a team that got swept in the 1st round.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Just to review
Paul Allen spending like a drunken sailor 2 years AFTER the lockout.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly Sabonis
And also realize guys like Pippen (6 titles already to his name), Kemp (finals appearance), etc were mostly veteran stars in this league…
Plus Sabonis had 1 years with that salary left, pipp had 2 years left, kemp had 2 years left.
Strickland was soon expiring….
They really only had 1 groomed in house young player to pay with a long, extended contract……and even he had only 3 yrs left at the start of that year.
They’d be looking at paying through the roof for young players for 5-6 yr contract extensions and young players who right now are playing well.
Regardless of how Oden looks in 2 years time, he’s getting a near max or more likely max deal given his age and hype, but mostly his age (I think he’ll be pretty good anyway, but just saying, he cuold look terrible but as long as he shows signs, he’s getting maxed out as a difference maker in potential)….
Roy’s getting maxed out…..and if Roy goes down to injury before the rest are signed, who knows how that young team performs….
It’s too earlyt o say, he’ll just open the wallet, especially given the climate, the life of these contracts, the fact that many of his players won’t be true veterans and haven’t shown what they can do, the fact that with the Lakers being so powerful likely in the next few years the Blazers won’t be quite as close as they were in that dreadful 4th quarter game 7 collapse they had….
It’s too early and to say he’ll just pay whatever cuz he’s great is a bit much….I mean if that was the case, why then is he worried at all about Darius Miles’s deal….I mean that’s a carryover from the bad jailblazer regime and his team’s moving on, why would he want to have that saddle in their salary talks if ultimately he’ll just keep the wallet open?
There is only so much money to go around, in any business model, and a smaller market team that’s trying to go against the powers of big market LA, etc mgiht really struggle to hand out several 5-6 yr big deals to young players, and given that they are young may not fully know which are the most important pieces to the chemistry, drive of the team, or which young player will break out, or which young player may get the jealousies when his counterpart gets a bigger deal and yet he feels his counterpart doesn’t deserve that money cuz he’s been a more important piece.
it’s early, it’ll be interesting, but to say money’s not an object because Allen’s rich, is ridiculous….it’s always an object, especially in younger guys who haven’t proven themselves over a bunch of years.
No one's advocating blindly handing out max contracts
We’re just saying, if it came to that, Paul Allen, unlike most other mid to small market owners, would have the ability and willingness to do so. If everyone on that roster reaches his potential, they will need to move some b/c surely they won’t all be happy w/ limited roles. If that’s what you were trying to get at, we’ve all wasted a lot of time here.
As to the Miles situation, that’s different as Miles’s contract not being on the books would have created more space under the salary cap that they would have then used to spend on other teams’ free agents or in a trade. So, that money is spent, it was just a question of on what.
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That's what
i’M trying to get at:
They will need to move some….
But adding the caveat that it might be tough because the guys they move might end up being more key to the team dynamic than they think, especially since they’ve all played together.
That's
why I didn’t understand the flurry of notes on this point….seemed obvious to me, but it seems perhaps I was over-writing it and thus not as clear as I meant to be.
We made it about the money
And to beat a dead horse, the money’s not an issue. Sorting through all that talent and identifying the guys who are going to fit into a role and be happy w/ that role no matter how big or small, that’s KP’s big work for the next couple years. This we can agree on.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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IF KP f's up
Which is very likely it’ll be about the money soon…..and likely as I keep saying regardless of production Oden’s getting a D. Howard minimum, though likely max contract (given the hype about him was higher than D. Howard coming in)…
I'm a big fan of the Blazers...
…if for no other reason than they got screwed by the refs against the Lakers.
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The owners are likely going to lockout the players again
The league and the players association is due to renegotiate the CBA and the owners are bound to demand concessions in the area of either the length of contracts or in the number of years that are guaranteed. The players will hold the line as the present arrangement, for the most part, is highly favorable to their interests. The owners will then lock them out to force the issue.
Something’s gotta give.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Yeah i here that too
And if that happens, that changes everything for every team….might be the straw to make us winners again.
maybe it won't cause a lockout
but I definitely think the league’s #1 goal is to get contract lengths shortened. They did it by one year last time, I bet (based on nothing) that they get one year again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
so five years for switching teams, 6 for staying?
I’d like that.
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it's already that (otherwise Noc would've gotten 7 years!)
so they’d reduce it to 4 years for switching, 5 for staying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
well they'd likely get something back in return
not sure what. No drug-testing!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Another compliment from Vinny to Tyrus
I’m beginning to like this. But I still want a trade…
“I think Tyrus set the tone with the dunks and the lobs,” said Del Negro.
Thomas ended with 15 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks, his fourth double/double in the last five games.
Bullsblog
Minutes breakdown of our starters
Luol: 39 minutes
Tyrus: 32
Joakim: 38
Gordon: 37
Rose: 35
It’s like we’re a real team again!!!
There's continuity.
It’s certainly exciting. I’ve especially loved the growing chemistry between T2, Noah and Rose. I still want to pair Noah with an established star bigman, but in the absence of that…well, it’s been fun to watch basketball again.
Big step forward, in my book.
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by MPG on Feb 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Chemistry
I thought there was more chemistry with BG and the two big men than with Rose. As much as I like Rose, I am still waiting for him to become an even better facilitator.
by Sambossanova on Feb 5, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like improvement as well.
but the lob passing, the around the back dish to Noah last night, the bounces passes through traffic…it’s been a lot better. Definitely not a finished product. But derrick has started to anticipate when Noah will go somewhere, and he’s definitely figured out that if Tyrus is around the rim you can pretty much throw it up and let him get it. I want more of it, of course. But it’s a very good start.
In these last five good games, Derrick’s averaging 6.8 asg with only 2.2 TOs in around 32 minutes. When Rose becomes an even better faciltator he’ll pretty much be an elite offensive point guard. ::crosses fingers::
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I concur. There's very little doubt in my mind he'll be up there offensively...
…The only thing he needs to do is drastically increase FTA. That and normal improvements. Offense is not my “worry”.
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Rose and Noah
Have a natural court chemistry and it’s great to see Tyrus fitting himself in there.
That pass play between Derrick to Noah back to Derrick for teh layup was incredible….shows the skill level both these guys have (and gives the Noah detractors something to marvel at).
i'm not a Noah detractor
but still that behind the back pass impressed me. yeah, you probably would like your center to dunk that but he found a great way to get himself out of trouble. it wouldn’t have been too shocking to see a charge or travel in a situation like that.
I think though
the Hornets got back and if he went up he was more likely to get fouled and to the line….where he’d likely go 1 for 2,
The pass guaranteed a 2.
I loved watching Tyrus and Noah attack David West on the defensive end
West still had a monster game, but he could have posted career highs if our guys came out soft.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Hopefully, this will be our established PT distribution.
Then the players can better prepare, can get into their rhythms, all those stuff they were using as excuses earlier for not playing well…
All in all I was
happy with last nights game. The bench sucked. Noc really has to go. He sucks. VDN got a little Noc happy there towards the end when it clear N.O was comming back mainly because of his crap d and chucking. Why cant they move this guy? Why is he given all these dam minutes? TT played only 32 mainly because Noc is the back up 4? Thats lame.. Whatever a win isa win but id really like to see Noc gone. He was fun to watch for a few years but his acthas grown really old.. I think we need a break,,,
To answer your first question: because of his crap D and chucking
To answer the second: generally, because he’s veterany, tries hard and yells a lot
To answer the third: Thomas had five fouls. Del Negro probably could have brought him in earlier, but sitting someone with five fouls isn’t the worst thing ever.
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Good point.
Missed that one.
But still, TT had a great game. Setting the tone early with those dunks was something I didn’t expect from him. Hope he gets into the habit of doing that.
Only 32mins? It was just a few weeks ago when TT was getting about 10-12mins PT.
I think TT played 32 mins because VDN actually thought the game was won and sent in Noce and the other scrubs to mop up. When NO started coming back, VDN made the move to cut short their comeback.
I’d agree with you about Noce not playing AT ALL in the 4th if it was a tight game. But the Bulls were up by about 20 in the 4th so VDN (and just about any other NBA coach) relaxed.
If it were a close game, I think TT would have played at least 8-10 mins in the fourth.
Can we possibly get more value for Hughes than what he's currently giving us?
By putting him on the inactive list, we give all his minutes to Rose-Gordon-Hinrich-Thabo while setting ourselves up for a huge expiring contract next season. That gives us the option to go for cap space in 2010 or, if players are committing to stay with their teams, trade Hughes for an inside scorer on a team that’s trying to get cap sapce. Hughes at the moment is giving us big value.
If we trade him for Bobby Simmons, we get a smaller expiring contract next year while screwing with our rotation.
problem is
it seems that the agreement between pax and larry is thath he would be traded by deadline, that’s probably why he’s been sitting so nice and pretty on the bench.
by CJOliveira on Feb 5, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this true?
So what happens if they don’t close a deal by then?
Bobby Simmons deal isnt really that much smaller
and the deal we were supposedly trying to make, saved us a lot of cold hard cash. Giving us a little extra breathing room to make other deals this year (Noc, Hinrich?) spend or save next year. So I’m not sure how much value you sacrifice there. Definitely something to consider when trading him tho. If he wont behave after the deadline, then you send him home.
I just found a great read from Brett Ballantini prior to 2006-2007 concerning Thomas.
That’s just a great article. Either Thomas is the greatest ever at saying what you want to hear (Sam Smith would say that’s definitely not true) or he’s a had a ridiculously tumultuous 2 1/2 years. I STILL BELIEVE!
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Someone pinch me
because I feel like it’s too good to be true w/ the recent play. I have this ominous feeling that one of the good guys (TT, Rose, Lu, Noah) is going to get injured or Vinny will forget about all the progress once Gooden is back or something.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Ha I'm not doing it on purpose
and as much as I’d love to have our guys in the All-Star activities this weekend, I’d much rather them be at home resting…except for Derrick – someone check his bed for knives 1st.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 5, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
I’ve got a similar feeling…don’t want to get excited…don’t want to get excited…
Oh, hell with it, I’m excited. We’ve gone young, and our young guys have played well. Heck, if we’d hit our free-throws like he normally do, we might have beat Houston. It’s to the point that, in my mind anyway, both T2 and Noah are untouchable unless it brings us a star in return. Why trade cheap young players with great potential for anything less?
It’s just an exciting time to be a Bulls fan. Not only are the youngbloods playing well, they’re doing so at a time when other young, established stars are struggling on losing teams. Toronto has lost four straight and Phoenix might not even make the playoffs. Their losses are, potentially, our gains.
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Definitely agree on the TT/Noah
comment. It makes me so angry when the casual Bulls fan spouts off w/ something like:
Random jackass: “We (as if they own the goddamn team) need to get rid of that Noah guy! He’s terrible! And that hair!”
Me: ::clenching fists:: You do realize the guy is our best rebounder and best passing big right?
RJ: And what’s with that Tyrus Thomas guy? You’re telling me he’s better than the guy we traded to Portland (doesn’t even know LMA by name)?? All that guy does is jump, that’s it!
Me: Oh good god please stop talking…
(really did have this conversation last Friday)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 5, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
It's like going to church.
Close your eyes and take what you can from it. The trouble starts when the chatting starts.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
heh
I’m usually just quiet in these very same scenarios. If not, you’d start seeing them (or me, I guess) flying off the 300-level balcony. Casual fans HATE Noah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
For now.
If he’s a cog in a winning team, I think that will change some opinions. Hopefully.
(Also, if he actually earns some of his salary during the off-season. Imagine if he was in this shape to begin the year…)
Reportedly, Noah has hired a personal trainer
which is a promising sign (along with his recent play).
At worst, Noah will be a valuable 4/5 6th man in the league.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 5, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I hate casual fans.
Success?
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I hate Cubs fans.
Succeser?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 5, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Both!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I can't hate the Lakers as long as PJ is coaching.
Damn Krause for running him off!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Everytime I saw Noah might be something and definitely will be a solid role playing C at the least, guys are like “the clown” he sucks. He’s awful.
It’s unwarranted….
Like
with you guys re: A. Gray around here then, eh?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
haha
you know, I completely agree with that. I have unfair dismissiveness towards Aaron Gray.
But since he sucks and Noah doesn’t, I don’t think they’re peers anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Aaron Gray
Does suck. Watch his defense.
He tries hard I get that, but he’s too damn slow.
I was excited about him after he lost the 30 lbs or something hoping that would be a solution….now I think he might have to lose 30 more, but chances are he just can’t play defense and unlike BG (a less than stellar defender, but not a completely horrible defender) Gray’s position necessitates defense or guys score in the paint at will.
I don't think 30 lbs would make much of a difference.
Look at the way he’s built. Long torso so he will always be top heavy. And he doesn’t have the base to play with any need bend where he could actually move his feet.
I don't think so either....
But if he’s thinner maybe just maybe outside chance he can move a step or two quicker.
I still say he stays at his weight and tries to lose fat while adding muscle.
Maybe he can pull off a ripped body and be stronger than everyone else. I see that as his only hope.
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I find myself not talking to causal fans for same reasons as above.
I’m also trying not to get too excited over this run. I feel the past year and 1/2 have supplied enough heartache to last a lifetime. That being said I will not miss the Saturday Dallas game for anything. I love the way we are playing. Whatever VDN’s deficiencies are he has kept the team together and, for now overcome adversity. A win in Dallas Saturday and I’m definitely past the safe point emotionally .
Noah
My daughter is a very casual fan, and she thinks he’s really cute.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 5, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
my bf's sister
watched a game with me (she’s not a fan in general) and loved the “awkward” ones noah and gray. haha.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
A lot of non basketball lovers
Who watch the Bulls game with me love Noah to death.
Maybe it’s the hair.
The good thing is, unlike last year, I don't care if they hurt their lottery chances.
There’s little difference (in my book) between drafting 13th overall or 16th or 18th. There is obviously, but not so much that a few more wins should be lost at the expense of it. If the Bulls can make the playoffs with this still as the starting lineup, screw the damn lottery.
Okay, now go beat a good team that isn’t Phoenix.
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Agree there.
Though after teh 5 game streak before this happened, I was happy for us to lay the tank job up and blow it up…..get 1 more piece….
Now I think we just need more C depth, not necessarily a starter, and some room to remove a less desirable contract.
THough for Amar’e or Bosh, I’m all ears….would try still to keep Tyrus though…
Yeah
STOP IT, no jinxing.
Kirk getting hurt sucked already (Kirk-BG-Derrick would have been great to start the year and it was a real loss for us not to see a full season of that rotation).
Who are the two players that have been really really good lately?
Luol Deng
Joakim Noah
In other words, two of the three positions where we were getting killed in PER differential by position.
Both of their elevated play has taken some pressure off Rose to create for himself and allow him to just develop as he pulls in a second defender and then finds the open man they leave.
Noah’s hustle in the last 6 games has had me out of my seat on many occasions. Run baby run!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
The give and go between him and Rose was awesome
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 5, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot Tyrus.
He’s brought his PER differential up to basically zero. Which means he’s been outplaying his counterparts for most of the last two months.
You can really see the diferences in Tyrus
from the way our opponents approach the rim. Just about everyone in their give is looking for Tyrus when they get in the paint.
I think Tyruses denial of Lebron James on national TV was huge step forward. We know he can block shots. the whole league knows he can block shots. He’s not going to lead the league in blocks. But he will be a top 5 player at forcing opponents to make shot adjustments turning easy buckets into prayers.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Someone needs to get a screen-capture of Thomas catching the oop from Gordon.
If you see it from behind Gordon, looking at the Bulls hoop, thomas is wicked high.
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Anyone have the technology to capture and zoom in slightly?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I was watching the highlights thinking that the dunk he got the technical was better...
Then there it is!
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
I don't know which is better, but I like the angle of the camera on the lob from Gordon.
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I'd go with the lob.
At least to me it appeared that his head was rim height and he caught the ball above the square
I can't believe
That Noah and Rose pass fast break wasn’t here…..I thought that easily was the play of the day compared to those 10, we made a 2 on 3 break look like nobody was there.
Seeing Noah attemp a behind the back pass almost gave me a heart attach.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
Would have too
Except that it was perfect pass…..
I watched that same play 5-6 times on the DVR…..loved it.
Noah's a great passer.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Yeah
We used to hear more about his passing last year…..this year you hear nothing about it in the press or talks of Noah, which is odd. Noah’s got everything except strength and a shooter’s touch….he has a very high IQ, is as gritty a player as Nocioni ever was (that’s for you yfbb :) ), and seems again to be a bit of a leader on the court…
Last year Thorpe often said in chats that Noah’s shot is very much fixable, and that he had some good ideas how to correct it….unfortunately I didn’t hear anything about Noah working with Thorpe (could be wrong), but maybe after Noah seeing the improvements in Tyrus, he’ll follow suit.
I think he’s a definite nice super role playing 5 in this league in the making.
by majoyenrac on Feb 6, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This EXACTLY what I think...
Noah’s got everything except strength and a shooter’s touch
, although, I’d add, “typical offensive Center game”. If Noah bulks up while keeping his energy, and either adds a jump shot or a couple of post moves (he’s already got the ‘driving moves’), he’s a Top-5 center in the league.
Even if only does one of those two, such as adding 15-20 pounds of core strength without losing quickness or energy, he’s a Top-10 center in the league. He’s a non-scoring center, but he does SO MUCH other than scoring well, he’s really good.
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Wow
Tyger three in a row. We agree.
I think Noah’s really good, but of the two Tyrus still has the higher upside (Though Joakim’s a safer bet for long term success.
After what McGrady did Wednesday Tyrus must feel somewhat redeemed.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
McGrady
Dunked on Tyrus true, but really McGrady only did that because Luol gave him the spacing.
Tyrus was just late stepping into assist (mistimed the block try, probably thinking TGimp wasn’t that quick anymore).
and because Gray didn't rotate first
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 5, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
For some reason, I just want to laugh everytime I see Gray lumbering out there.
He’s like a big dumb cartoon character.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
This is for tyger, and CJ Bulls
Tyrus Thomas career high PER 15.1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomaty01.html
I hear Springfield calling!
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
I think it is because Thomas is such a beast on the court that it is impossible to track him
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
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