Rockets 107, Bulls 100: Yao Ming is, um, a problem
So, the Bulls aren't going to go on some improbable 5 game win streak to nullify the losing streak they took into this road trip. And they're not as good as the fully-loaded (if a bit gimpy) Rockets, so it's tough to get too worried about this one.
The Bulls only stayed in the game at times because Yao was in foul trouble. They defended well, ran, and that was impressive. But with Yao, the Rockets were +16 in 30 minutes, and that number should've been higher if not for Ben Gordon getting some buckets after the game was pretty much decided.
There was still a bit of Vinny weirdness to pick on, especially in the 4th quarter. Rose and Gordon both sat the first 3 and a half minutes, and I don't see why both need to be out of the game, ever. Rose played under 30 minutes all night, so hopefully it wasn't a case where his sore foot was acting up (and another night with no free-throws, on a night where the Bulls had 28 attempts).
And then later in the 4th, using Noc to guard Yao Ming for a stretch....that ended predictably. This was one game where Aaron Gray has some real use, yet there were times where Noc (or Tyrus) was guarding him and Gray sat, yet times where Yao was on the bench and Gray was in. That's a matchup player, Vinny. Use him as such. Noc had a real nice 2nd half offensively up to that point, but he's the type of player (especially nowadays) that any streak has to be treated as precious and unlikely to continue. Keeping him in and making him the center...how was that going to help anyone?
But with Gooden out and Noah having a rough night (fouling out in 17 minutes) against Yao, there wasn't much Vinny could do overall. Yao's really good and really big. The Bulls do not have players like that.
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when I saw Noc guarding Yao I sat there in awww…… like this is awful :(
I could understand Thomas with a double team mentallity but NOC?
it was at that point i started fastforwarding on my DVR
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I actually liked
Noc gaurding Yao. I knew he would get his moneys worth on those fouls. Here’s the thing.
The Bulls arent good enought ot miss 11 free throws and beat a semi gimpy decent teams.
Also this is gonna hurt alot of peoples feelings but D-Rose has got to start playing better defense. Its getting bad, I feel like im watching BG out there the way his defender just walks past him.
Noah played like crap, he tried i guess so give him credit but Noah would have been much better off trying to front Yao every play and take his chances with TT’s weak side help and Yao is slow enough that maybe Noah couldve gota few blocks from the back side. To try and play Yao straight up in the post was just a bad very bad decision.
TT was on sportscenter top 10 last night getting dunked on, thats gotta piss him off seeing old man McGrady dunking on him..(Looked like TT slipped or mistimed it though)
BG had 20 points but probably should had more. He didnt score a bunch of those till late. He needs to be more consistent.
VDN again played games with the match-ups (he cant afford to do that yet) he’s just not good of a coach to be doing that.
I wasnt expecting to win but i thought we had a bit of a perfect storm brewing (Bulls playing well granted against bad teams, Rockets looking well Gimpy) but it wasnt meant to be. I think we win tonight and all those good feelings come back… We should smoke these chumps tonight without CP3. Stay tuned….
"Noc got his moneys worth"
thanks Stacey. Noc should never be guarding Yao…EVER.
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I just wanted
to see Noc take a shot at him like he does everyone else. I dont condone Noc ever gaurding Yao.
Please dont evercall me Stacey. He sucks and I dont think he’s the only announcer to ever say he gets his moneys worth.
I think the most impotant thing stated was the matchup issue. If VDN is going to play matchups
then get it right. There is no reason on God’s green Earth for Gray to be on the court if Yao isn’t. Period. Those are the moments that you realize that no matter what type of players the Bulls have, VDN is going to misuse them. You have to actually take players away from him (Gooden, Hughes) for him to make better decisions in terms of personnel. And that is a true and clear mark of an unprepared and inexperienced coach.
by Dils on Feb 4, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, but wasn't Gray only in the game when Noah was in foul trouble?
I’m pretty sure that was the case, and VDN then pulled him and went small with TT at C.
I actually thought Gray was horrible against Yao. On O, he was slow as usual, but unbelievable soft on he flat out choked on a few open layups. And on D he was badly out of position. But what is the Bulls solution at C when Noah is in foul trouble? Small ball with TT at C? Do we even have any other options?
um, not really
this team still needs a trade for frontcourt help, obviously.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
It would have been one thing
if Gray was playing well (or even ok). Then leave him in to match up with Scola or whoever. But this might have been his worst game in terms of looking completely useless on the court. He wasn’t even looking to score, and when he was he was missing pretty horribly. Substitution pattern is probably VDN’s biggest weakness right now.
More Thabo please
Matchups everything coach can play Deng at the 4 when Yao checks out. Their front line is Scola and Landry when that happens. Both players are just going to set high screens in the half court and in transition just run to the front of the rim to exploit position.
Then you get a 5 man that’s built to attack the rim. Rose, Gordon, Thabo, Deng, Thomas. There’s no shot blocking threat in the paint. The opponent is nearly in the penalty already. Attack the rim.
All in all, what the coaching staff didn’t do.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Also
Are the coaches telling Noah to stop bringing the ball down to his waist? Just about every time he receives the ball he brings it to his waist and it is stripped if there’s traffic in the paint.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 4, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's def my fav lineup...
probably most peoples I imagine. Anytime the staff can get away with using it they should. I’m trying to remember, what was the lineup last night when TT was playing C?
I have to negate Noc's lil flurry of points in the 4th
…as it was preceeded by dumb play throughout the first 3 quarters. His usual hacking, fouling instead of playing D, and losing his man were very prevalent all game. He doesn’t need to play anywhere close to 27 min…especially if neither TT or Thabo are in foul trouble or aren’t hurt.
VDN’s rotations were horrid.
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Tyrus was too aggressive last night.
He was trying to block too many shots which hurt his weakside rebounding position…he has to learn when to go for the block and when to stay on the ground to box out and hold his defensive position.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
all in all, I
think the bulls played exceedingly good fun basketball in the first half.
Then Noc came in and Vinnie started playing cutsie with the lineups.
Bam no more cohesion in defensive rotations.
Maybe VDN’s hair is getting in the way of him understanding what’s going on in front of him.
Still a VERY fun first half to watch. which is what matters to me the most as this team is starting to actually look like envisioned for the first time.
I'm guessing the rationale for Noc at center was offensive.
I mean that Vinny was probably thinking to pull Yao out of the paint on defense with Noc’s ability to stretch the floor, opening driving lanes and such (I don’t mean that VDN was looking to offend people). Of course, this is wrong-headed, as any gains Noc gets on the offensive end (if any) are more than negated when he’s guarding someone 7’13". I would give Vinny the excuse that with Noah fouled out, anybody we put on Yao is a huge mismatch, so might as well try to get some benefit on the other end, but as Matt pointed out, this is why you have a guy like Gray on the roster.
the thing is
tyrus was on the floor at the time noc was guarding yao, and i noticed that after 2 possessions, that’s when tyrus switched onto him. i don’t know why in gods name with ty out there that noc would be the one on him in the first place, but technically he wasn’t really at the C position at all.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I think because Tyrus can't defend Yao either
So better have Noc out there to aggressively deny position while TT helps from the weakside than the opposite.
perhaps.
it is rather dumb to go small ball when they have their 7’5 guy on the court. on the other hand, really anyone is “small” compared to him. :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Vinny was searching for answers
He had one on the bench in Aaron Gray, but Vinny wanted a defensive option that was also an offensive option when you’re trailing to close a game. aka, nobody on this roster.
If he had to play Noc to get the floor spread, I would have had Noc guard Yao as well. Do what you can to keep him 8’ or further from the rim and let Tyrus come protect the rim on the weak side.
Good teams just take these options away from you though. I always presume our opponents are two moves ahead of us. When they’re not showing me that they are thinking this way then I see great chances to pull out victories.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I don't know about everyone else but the Matchup that best describes VDN's lack of coaching
was early in the year against the Spurs when that rookie George Hill was killing us and the whole time Thabo was wasting on the bench. I’m not a coach and I may not be an expert at basketball but I’m not blind. When VDN does these things it makes me shake my head. The great coaches KNOW THEIR PERSONELL
Hold on
Gray was only in for a few minutes with Yao out. Almost everyone on this board bitches about VDN playing TT and Noc at center. This was a chance to see what the team could do with Yao out and the Bulls in “normal” positions. When it became apparent it wasn’t working, VDN pulled Gray. (Gray was very bad last night even with Yao in, he was letting other players blow by him when the Bulls doubled Yao.)
When Noah fouled out, I expected Gray to come in. It was the right move to go with TT or Noc at that point, because the only way the Bulls could win was by scrambling the game. My only criticism of the coaching last night was that I would have liked the Bulls to try to press, but they really haven’t done that all year.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 4, 2009 10:43 AM CST reply actions
Yep, agreed.
I just posted a nearly identical post above. // And on your point about pressing, when we did press at the end we forced a turnover. Our players are too athletic and long to NOT press. I’ve been wondering why we don’t ever do this. Full, half… we rarely even pressure the ball. You can’t just rely on BG to hit a shit load of 3’s to bring you back every time you get down in a game…
I've been
talking to my friend about this too, Vinny should use the press more, you’ve too many athletes on this team not to.
Especially with a guard glut...
If I didn’t think Larry Hughes head would explode, I’d be all for him playing 10 minutes a game, if for no other reason than to bother the other team in a full court press.
It’s probably more trouble than it’s worth though (ie: imagine his comments after the game if we used him like that).
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 4, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I bitch about it when it's against Yao Ming.
mostly, screw normal positions if it means Gray. I’d rather roll with Thomas at center.
I specifically talking about the 1st quarter. Gray came in after Noah got 2 fouls. Eventually Yao gets 2 and has to sit also. Sit Gray, bring in Noc. Nocioni’s terrible but Drew Gooden was unavailable. This saves Gray for when Yao is back in the game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
We really just need to get some frontcourt help via a trade...
This carousel of misery we trot every night is starting to take it’s toll.
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 4, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Or better yet
Pax has wasted a spot on Micheal Ruffin, we can give that spot to a young big man in the D-League, Gooden is still out, and we’re thin up front, Pax get creative please!
Maybe a little Rod Benson?
Bring some “boom-tho-ness” to the Bulls?
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 4, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
He needs to collect something
Because Ruffin is even more useless in uniform
If Noc guarded Yao 100 times in the post,
I’m pretty sure Yao would score on at least 90 of those. It was virtually impossible to come back with that matchup.
Noc did guard him correctly
He got whistled for that foul, but that was pretty suspect. I figured it for a make up call since Yao did get some cheap ones called on him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
It doens't matter how properly Noc can guard him though.
All Yao has to do is turn and face the basket and Noc can do nothing to alter his shot.
yea
but that’s how everyone should play Yao. He was 9-12 from the field. So it’s not like he wasn’t getting whatever he wanted whether Noc was on him or Noah was on him.
It was better to have Noc try and use lower body strength to keep Yao 8’ out and know that he has Tyrus on the weak side protecting the rim.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I agree
With Gooden out and Noah in fould trouble, Vinny needs to remove Gray and ‘preserve’ him, especially knowing that they couldn’t risk stupid fouls on Gray (aka, wasted fouls) on guys like Scola or whoever drives the lane.
After the 18 boards Scola pulled in I would’ve liked to see Noc on Scola and ‘get his money’s worth’ on him, make him scared down low or his groinage will get the wrath… or something.
Noc on Artest was a potential timebomb, but nothing really happened.
Press the trade button. At this point no one will be missed!
The best part was when VDN put Nocioni on Yao.
Nocioni went into some kinda hyper hacking compulsions. Yao just laughs. By the way that was the 4th time this season that T-mac,Yao,Artest and the Duke player have all been in together….why does it seem T-Mac always comes back against the Bulls? Is there some kind of hate from the Krause years left over?
Noc also got that tech for hacking Artest
and then another instance where he picked up a personal when the other team was about to call a time out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I actually thought those 2 idiotic fouls by Noc put the game out of reach for us.
He should have been pulled. Maybe his punishment was to try to guard Yao.
The one 2:00 before the half where he committed the foul just before a timeout was indefensible
Noc was his usual over-aggressive self on the other, but at least it was on someone driving toward the basket. I thought the T was a little questionable, but whatever.
That other one, though? Running into a guy who is obviously pulling up as he crosses half court, and as the Bulls have some momentum going? That had to be one of the dumbass plays of all time.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
That technical was total bullshit
Funk and King were trying to say it was Noc’s rep that got the technical. BS.
Noc just put his hand on the ball and ended up getting arm too as Artest was driving. Artest is the one that flung himself around as if Noc did more than simply foul him. Artest than patted Noc on the head as in “no harm, play on”.
I have no idea what act the referees could have awarded a technical foul on that play.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
that's the whole point...
why does he even put himself in the position to get called for a tech? Stop friggin hacking everybody down in the paint! Instead of just bodying someone or putting on some type of resemblance of D, he resorts to his usual karate chop of someone’s arms. He can’t keep doing that. Not only does he pick up a dumb foul, but as in last night’s case, he also gets a tech, which can cause momentum shifts, which puts the team in a bad position. Like I keep saying, his stupid fouls hurt the team.
I’m glad he got the tech. Maybe that will settle his dumb self down a little.
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I don't know
I’ll beat up Noc for the stupid fouls. I just didn’t think the one last night was bad at all. Artest just made it look worse and then he took it right back.
The refs were gamed by Artest. Ron “I’ll work at Best Buy for the employee discount” Artest!
I know what you mean though.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
it was Circuit City :)
(they had the commissions)
It was likely a rep call, though I also thought Noc also pulled Artest towards him after laying down the hammer hack.
At the end of a quarter Noc was under the basket as Scola scored over him. Noc then immediately turns around to give his ‘wtf’ glare to the ref saying Scola elbowed him. If I were a ref I’d be extra-strict on Nocioni’s crap as well. He really is annoying to watch the way he treats officiating.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Post of the day
Lol @ “hyper hacking compulsions”
It was a tough night for the Bulls, who played relatively well, and by that I mean,
no showings of blatant incompetence. That’s a major victory, as the Bulls could have gone into shell-shocked mode, as they so often did before the Chairman’s comments. Yes, a lot of their baskets came in a flurry at the end of the game, meaning that the game was not as close as the score indicated, but I’m one of those guys who believes that the end-of-the-game offensive flurry is better than ending the game having trouble scoring, even when it’s a loss.
I’m wondering, though, if anyone else saw how bad Ben Gordon got smacked around with (predictably) no foul being called on multiple drives to the hoop in the 2nd half? I feel bad for Ben, because if that was Kirk or Noc, I have no doubt that VDN and/or the Bulls organization would have their backs. Call me a cynic, but I’d be surprised if they would do the same for Ben.
Just a couple of other points:
- How about Tyrus hitting that 3? Not that I want him incorporating that into his repertoire on a consistent basis, but he definitely looked natural.
- Tyrus had a bunch of spectacular blocks, and should have had more, if not for the fact that they occurred after a foul was called on another defender, or they were incorrectly called goal tending.
- For as much as I like to hate on T-Mac being soft, he flipped the switch at times to show that he’s still head and shoulders above Deng. Specifically, in his ability to instantly make space, like 5 feet, in order get a clean look, no matter how closely Deng or Sefolosha tried to guard him.
- Noah had his hands full, but I have no sympathy for how he continues to bring the ball down around his waist before going up strong. I like him as a player, but man, that guy is so frustrating.
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VDN
He has to stand up for his players, even if it involves taking the 15-25K for criticizing refs after the game, Ben has got beaten up going to basket this year and no calls were made, and Rose is just absolutely getting hammered by the opposition and the Refs are just swallowing the whistle
It's ridiculous.
Ben would go in for a tear drop over Yao, and he’d get knocked around like a pinball, absorbing the initial foul, then hitting a bunch of other players before hitting the ground.
It wasn’t only on drives, either. I remember one where Ben pulled up for a 20 footer against Battier. Battier not only attempted to faceguard him, but ended up just smashing his open palm against Ben’s face/forehead. He wasn’t even going for the ball, just smashed his hand into Ben’s face so that Ben’s neck snapped back as he released the ball.
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hacking
Rose gets hacked a lot, he is a rookie though and I expect no less…. only a few ‘big name’ rooks have ever avoided the scorn of the referee in order to earn their calls, like Lebron most recently. I don’t condone it, but pretty much has always been that way in the league.
Gordon has always been hacked and ignored, though. He more than has earned his calls…
I don’t think he purposely flops, but he may be a bit dramatic at times when he gets nailed… I wonder if the refs kinds turn a blind eye due to that.
Press the trade button. At this point no one will be missed!
The defense on McGrady was poor all night
He can’t move. You want to deny him the ball all the time. Make him go get it and start dribbling 40 feet away from the rim. It’s turnover city if you do that.
if McGrady is getting the rock 12’ from the rim it’s trouble. He can get space with one leg from that distance.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
this was the second game
where I missed the end of a loss where Tyrus hit a 3. Damnit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 4, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
From straight-away. No hesitation. Good form; nothing but net.
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I agree about
ben getting hacked badly alot. Maybe the refs hate him or something. Happens atleast a few times every game. Those refs last night sucked though. I knew it before the game even started. They are all young crappy refs. Ive seen them screw the Bulls before. Guess what it will happen again.
The NBA needs to fix the refereeing.
I don’t know how but it can be so one sided at times. Honesty Yao Ming is 7’6 but Noah gets called for putting his hand on him twice?Come on you can’t call the bullshit. That is what really sealed the deal for the Bulls once Noah got 2 cheap ones on him. You knew it would be all the Bulls bigs in foul trouble watching Nocioni guard Ming.
They need something to help the refs like tennis has hawkeye they need fouleye.
by ImmanuelKant on Feb 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
You can't put 2 hands on his back.
I can’t complain about those calls. I mean, there are definitely things wrong with the NBA refs, and the Bulls often get the short end of the stick, but you can’t start changing the way you call fouls bc of someone’s physical attributes, ie Yao is so damn tall.
I always say
out of the 3 major sports, NBA has the worst officiating
It moves too fast...
I don’t watch enough hockey to know if they officiate as poorly, but with the NFL and MLB there is ample time between plays to put refs in position to see evreything.
Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 4, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
How much bank could you make if you came up with something that could
detect fouls better than the human eye for a ref with an agenda?
by ImmanuelKant on Feb 4, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
The NBA hired a retired military general to clean up the officiating
or, as it is more likely.
They hired a retired military general because military personnel, active and retired, are the most admired group of people in the whole country. I think they maintain approval ratings around 75%.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Oh by the way I forgot that
Kirk Hinrich was a big reason the Bulls lost. At one point he threw the ball to nobody and then missed two consecutive jumpers all while his own man was scorching 3’s. Or Nocioni’s dumb foul before the end of the half.
by ImmanuelKant on Feb 4, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But he was wide open!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
LH love
Hughes would have shot those whether he was out of bounds or not.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 4, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

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