Open Thread #58 Overflow: Chicago Bulls at New Jersey Nets
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what a bullshit foul
the refs are giving harris whatever he wants
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions
Harris gets more calls than anyone I've ever seen.
And he doesn’t deserve them. He’s never won anything on any level.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I was about to yell out Thaaaabooo from my chair.
He was traded….
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why salmons has been playing well, besides the harris fould
even though I want Ben as well
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
it's really not that simple
but I agree with the gist of it
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
well when
kirk kicked the ball at the end… it still went to brad miller..
however BG kicks it to the other team
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
Haven't watched thus far
What’s the story?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
same ol same ol
i needed assurance that we really have derrick on the team
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
stupid foul
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Bullshit.
Not even a good flop. Looked like he was shot
Look at that lead go!!!
Way to go second-stringers!!!!!!!1
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Awesome.
Tim Thomas is 1 for 6……welcome back to reality.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Vinny this line up sucks!!!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
But he had one good game.
And Vinny played with him. Crunch TIME!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
tim thomas needs to be in this game people
we need to give tim thomas big minutes. No one question VDN! okay, just leave it alone…
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions
I have only one word to describe Vinny's game management.
Pathetic.
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Elbert Hubbard
Is there a specific reason why Tyrus is not in the game?
Is Vinny this inept?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Don't worry Vinny, Ben is here to bail you out
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
This is a terrible defensive lineup
Thank god Tyrus and Noah are back in.
Alright, this lineup I can stomach
Make some shots, please.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
VDN obviously panicked when he realized Tyrus and Deng had found their games.
So he did what any crazed, insane, retarded moron would do.
He pulled them.
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vinny is just horrible at substituting people
he has the worst timing. its like he waits for a guy to get it going, than pulls him.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
He has no concept of what is going on around him
He’s in his own provolone cheese bubble.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Please, all the idiots who said Vinny was doing a good job come forth
Any coach looks like Red fucking Auerbach when the team shoots 60%.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Please put Luol in to guard Carter.
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now VDN's gonna take out Rose
cause Harris is scoring…a lot
I love Rose, but why has the team started to suck as soon as he comes in
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
He just doesn't do shit, he doesn't have the mentality
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
What?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
He's jjst saying he's not
aggressive enought
You think he's played well tonight?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't started watching until now
He’s passive at times, but to say he doesn’t do anything is just melodramatic.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
This game, he hasn't done shit
There’s no melodrama about it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 25, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
So he has no mentality to do anything?
It’d make more sense if you just he had a bad game.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
hes soo passive
hes gotta get pissed and just go crazy on these bums
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
Rose and Noah
have a lot to work on but at least they are getting playing to work on it unlike thomas in his first two years. Till then, everyone is gonna blow by rose.
by Sambossanova on Feb 25, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk Hinrich is so coming in for Rose
Fucking nitwits.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
There's no hope for Vinny
I was willing to give him a chance next year if the Bulls get to the playoffs, but this is just awfull
Rose vs. Harris no contest He cannot guard Harris.
and apparently the Bulls also panic when they realize a win tonight would giv e them 2 in a row and the pressure of having to tie their incredible earlier streak of 3 would be too much for Vinnie and crew to handle.
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Harris can't D him up either.
It’s just that Derrick doesn’t look to shoot enough.
Strangely no asking why Hinrich was pulled
when he was playing great, and is the highest of the only 4 bulls with a positive +/- .
He’s a +11
Salmons +3
Tyrus +1
Gordon -12
Rose -9
Nocioni was the leader of +/- on this team
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure it's coincidental
that his numbers are so far above every other Bulls player. If it was simply the rotation he was with, you’d expect at least one other player to have near the same +/- number.
I like you Tyrus, but go sit down.
that’s not your shot, and you know it.
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions
Stop fucking shooting jumpers Tyrus
He’s lost all knowledge of attacking the hoop. Might as well just put Brad Miller or Deng in for him.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Tyrus either take it to the hole or get your ass on the bench.
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Elbert Hubbard
game over. thanks VDN.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions
The Nets are the bane of this team's existence
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
why are they playing one on one?
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
it's time to bring in miller for thomas
and deng for Salmons
Why are they running plays that involve Tyrus shooting jumpers?
What is is this logic? Stop trying to make November Thomas come back.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
isnt it more that NJ is giving tyrus room
cause obviously he cant hit them consistently
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
plays
the bulls dont run plays. thomas just happens to get open with the clock winding down cause they dont want gordon shooting.
by Sambossanova on Feb 25, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Watchin Bulls Basketball
is taking years off my life. They need to put warnings on the tickets like they do on cigarretes in Canada.
Tyrus stop shooting my god!!!
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TT
you guys bitch when hes on the bench and you bench when hes in taking dumb jumpers. you sound like pansies.
Damn, if only were tough Jersey guys like you
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Hell when Derrick Rose is asked why he was on his ass in the 4th instead of in the..
game he said that so that the team could win and if that is what THE COACH wants to do then there is nothing he can do about it.
WHats he supposed to say?
“Well, Vinny’s a dumbass and doesn’t realize that I’m the future of this franchise.”
Tyrus suffering a brain cramp and the Bulls explode again.
It has to be Miller time. Wake up Vinny. You sit guys while they’re hot and then play the cold hands…..you jerk.
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Back to selfish bulls!
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VDN is the worst coach ever.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Nets 17 to 4 this quarter Bulls really know how to close it out.
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yeah
you are a genuis. a 26-31 team will have a bad game. Tell me another professor
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny managed to sit Deng just long enough to cool him off.
Fire his sorry butt.
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we've been outscored a ton this this quarter
now i know you guys can’t wait to blame your favorite nemesis on the team (hinrich, rose, gordon, thomas, whoever) but I think this is what happens when VDN substitutes so erratically. Everyone is out of sync.
Tyrus gets it going, he sits. Hinrich gets it going, sits. Miller gets it going, sits. Rose, Deng, Salmons, Gordon – VDN is stopping us from making runs before we even get going because his substitutions are so erratic.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yay, Hinrich in for Rose.
If Rose is going to go out there and not care about winning, then he can take a nice seat on the bench next to Vinny.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 25, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But don't bench Gordon!!
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon at least seems like he cares about winning.
Rose goes out there, and has an attitude like he doesn’t care what happens.
Gordon’s shot is off, which really killed us in the fourth because we didn’t have a go to guy that got the job done, but he is trying at least.
Rose doesn’t even pretend to try on defense, and just goes through the motions on offense.
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What the hell
How has he showed his doesn’t care?
the whole thread
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
So fuck them twice a week?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
this is stupid
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Maybe it's time to change the name of this blog to BlogaMasochist.
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Elbert Hubbard
how do you lose this game VDN he should be fired TONIGHT!!!
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thank god they put Hinrich in the game to guard Harris
you guys trashing Rose are ridiculous. Harris is a great player. The Bulls need a better team D on the pick and roll
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions
Like the guy said above:
They have no set plays. He got the ball with the clock winding down so he shot the ball.
Thats when you go to your best offesive players though
And I only saw one time in the 4th where Tyrus had a shot clock moment and it was still not even 5 seconds
Bench Rose he doesn't care!
Let Hinrich be the one to look stupid against Harris!
4 straight games where Derrick isn’t given the full 4th quarter. Bullshit.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Establishing a culture of losing around him
Having a coach who doesn’t command the best effort from his players.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Rose has sucked.
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thye played him until now he wasnt doing shit
wats the point of keeping him in…
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
And there it is folks.
Still the same, maddening, inconsistent squad we’ve come to know all season. Just dressed up a little nicer.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
Rose is not even close to being a leader!!! I don't care if he is a rookie.
He got owned.
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he isnt
doing anything for the offense either. we needed someone to drive and break down the defense in the 4th quarter.
by Sambossanova on Feb 25, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
If you notice the other NJ games Rose took over those games. He has not done it lately...
it is the job of the coach to COACH the franchise player. I put this on Vinny. Vinnys coaching is hurting Rose.
Harris out scored the whole fucking team in the 4th?
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Cut the dam rotation to 8 vdn
Tim Thomas stinks just launches 3’s. Why do we all care so much these guys just get in their sports cars and don’t care after a loss including mr Derrick Rose. The kid is quitting on this team or he is tonight not looking to drive and PLAYING BULL SHIT LAZY DEFENSE, I DON’T THINK HE’LL EVER BE AS GOOD AS DEVIN HARRIS SADLY.
a 9 man rotation is fine during the regular season to make sure players are somewhat rested
but the way he uses the players are horrible. It’s like Vinny doesn’t believe in starters. He just plays everybody the same amount of minutes and substitutes players for no reason
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny has very good reasons for his substitutions
just check out his playbook.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Ever watch Devin Harris in his rookie season? Please.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
I swear to god Neil Funk sounds happier when we're losing like this
I fucking hate that stupid son of a bitch
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
why was Stacy telling me NJ needs to do to get VC going or Simmons?
Trying to become a coach?
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Neil Funk is awful.
Smug, annoying, overly-contrived, nothing constructive to say. I’m just fine with King but man, Funk is just awful
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
Funk may be an awful announcer but for all you light in the loafers fans you've got to admit
He’s a big hunk of eye candy.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
The past week Rose looks like a bust.
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Are you serious.........
Just, stop. People are fucking complaining about a bad few games from Rose, when Deng, Gordon, Tyrus, and basically everyone on the roster messed up tonight? It’s comical how people are calling Rose out for not caring. Every single player on this team doesn’t give a shit.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. Why are you guys blaming Derrick?
You can’t be a leader in the “My Turn” offense
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
Rose just doesn't give a damn.
That’s why people are calling him out. He’s not even pretending to show any effort on defense, and just going through the motions on offense, and it’s been going on for a good chuck of time now.
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did you see him win the playstation skills challenge?
that’s the kid’s attitute…. he looks bored and lost but that’s him.. i do love to see emotions on his face, but i learned to stop mistaking his placid face for boredom and nonchalance…
it's his team remember?
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It's definatly not his team. That's why he doesn't care.
Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich won’t let it be his team.
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
agreed.
Vinnie pulling him when he does is icing on the cake.
But still, get over it people. He’s 20 and Devin Harris has been doing this on a nightly basis, to EVERYONE!
Harris does it on a nightly basis, why?
BECAUSE THEY PASS HIM THE FREAKING BALL!! The offense is designed around Devin Harris.
Is our offense designed around Derrick Rose? Do we pass him the ball and let him take over?
Do we??
No we don’t!
Our offense revolves around VDN’s clueless head.
by TheBastid on Feb 25, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is right and that is on the coach. If the team is to be built around Rose then everyone else..
has to buy into that. The coach has to enforce that.
It's been a long time coming
If he’s going to shoot it, at least make it a 15 footer. When he gets into Josh Smith territory, he hurts the team because he’s so open on those shots, he’s never going to pass them up, yet they are rarely going to go in from that far.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon a -22 tonight. If he's off, the Bulls have no alternate to save them in crunch time.
I refuse to change my name again to
IhateNobrainVinny
but it is tempting.
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Elbert Hubbard
Hinrich is +9
the only one on the team in the positive.
But I guess there’s “no” alternative.
What a gutless performance.
Rose especially.
Goodnight all.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
this thread has been hijacked by idiots
not being able to stop Devin Harris does not equate not caring about winning. No one on the Bulls could stop Harris tonight. D. Rose played poorly. He will have other poor games. It doesn’t prove he doesn’t care about winning or is not trying. You guys are making me head hurt.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you...
but let’s face it. Rose lacks intensity on defense, and it is a question of effort. He doesn’t keep track of his man. He doesn’t fight through screens. In fact, he might be the single worst player I’ve ever seen defending the pick and roll. Those are effort plays.
No, he’s not a bust, of course not. But he doesn’t try hard on defense. We’ve seen this all year – and it still isn’t anywhere near corrected.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
He's not going to get better
Because the team doesn’t try on defense all the time, their coach doesn’t even have the right schemes, and he’s on a team where everyone didn’t give a shit until about a month and a half ago. Rose was breaking his back for the team for the first few months, then probably realized he could just coast and still look pretty good. What’s the incentive to try when no one else is?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Starts with coaching.
Simply as that. This shit wouldn’t hack it with Tom Thibadeu. Or a coach.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
thank you
people want to win every game, stop every player … not going to happen
i give drose a pass his rookie year. as long as he keeps on getting PT and keeps on improving, what more can you ask this kid? he has a couple of yrs before he become better than devin harris, but i believe after that he will be better than him.
WADE 2010
by Orange Juice on Feb 25, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
When no one else is performing, do you really expect Rose to carry the team?
Remember back to the mid 1980’s when the Bulls had a similar team, and MJ could only get the team to barely over 0.500 and a early playoff exit? If MJ can’t make a team of stinkers more than mediocre, should we expect more of Rose?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Are you suggesting we're idiots because we keep drinking the Kool Aid and still keep coming back for more?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
That was a huge loss.
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I had such high expectations for this game
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like a chump...
… I really believed this was gonna be a new Bulls team that could have possibly won 42 games. I really am getting sick and tired of this sh*t… I know Scott Skiles wasn’t an awesome coach or anything of the sort but at least he had them giving 110% on defense every game. At this point in the season with the talent the Bulls have on their team they should at lease be at .500… The Bulls need to FIRE VDN!!!!
The Bulls only gave about 50% for Skiles last year,
after Bum Wallace lead them to quit on him.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
110%
PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY
one of the dumbest cliches out there.
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
by wennington4 on Feb 25, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo time...
oh we traded him.
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He played well all game
Vinny’s biggest mistake was benching him to start the 4th.
VDN has lost his damn mind.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Souleater7 is right.
A mind is a horrible thing to lose. And Vinny is the leader of the Bulls Braintrust.
and how is he ever going to find something that microscopic?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I love the Bulls' fan logic
Can’t guard Devin Harris=lazy, unemotional garbage player.
Team of jumpshooters bricking everything in sight=not a leader, has no fire for the game, worthless.
If the Bulls shot 60% again everyone would say Rose is reaching Chris Paul potential. Give me a break.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Haha I know right
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
Damn right when was the last time D Rose met the ball at half court?
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Why would you do that against Devin Harris?
He’d burn him every single time.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
i agree
We went cold in the 4th and rose didn’t take a shot.
But hes sooo lazy and he doesnt care about this team
Like I said
Amazing logic. When players have bad nights, they don’t care. It’s as simple as that.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
like andrew said
they need to pretend like they care. That is important. Also, the Bulls should hire coach Ditka.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Do players respond to yelling and screaming in this day and age?
The Bears did eventually quit on Ditka.
JR should sell a part of the team to Jeannie Buss so they could get Phil Jackson back as coach.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I was trying to be as sarcastic as possible
the ‘facial expressions tell me everything I need to know about manhood’ crowd is ultra-annoying
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes, such as the casual fans that liked Noc due to his demostrative affect
on the court.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Funny though, Andrew's favorite player is Ben Gordon,
who never seems to vary emotionally.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon is an Autobot
Rose is a Decepticon.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I still think Rose is amazing even though they are going to lose to the Nets...
… But even after last nights victory I still wanted VDN to be fired. I think our players are amazing but since they are so young and can’t control who is on the court it doesn’t help that we have the worst coach in the league
I wish he was more aggressive
but I couldn’t blame him all that much for the defense I think its fine having Harris shoot those jumpers and the help defense wasn’t all that smart.
you would think Devin Harris wasn't an all-star player
or that he wasn’t having big games like this all season reading these comments. You would also think Rose didn’t play well last game.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Fighting through screens
is about heart. Derrick lopes into a trail position every single time, doesn’t go for rebounds he could and frankly should get, and comes up with waaaaaaaaaay too few lose balls. He loses track of his man and doesn’t play the passing lanes. These aren’t issues of physicality: they’re issues of attention and effort.
I love the kid to death, but it’s not his stoic demeanor that makes people wonder about his defensive intensity. It’s not his lack of floorburns, fist-pumps or grunts. It’s the fact that he doesn’t do those unpleasant basketball plays that are necessary to win.
Personally, I think it’s a matter of lacking knowledge. I think the kid would try if he knew how. Step one to rectifying that: hire a coach that coaches defense.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
That is right. It all goes back to coaching. Derrick Rose does not need to be taken to dinner...
he needs a seargent who will put his foot in his ass and challenge him to become the leader of the team that he says he wants to be. Vinny is not cut out for that because he wants to be friends.
Skiles would be a good coach for Rose.
Skiles would be amazing right now. He'd have players in check and it would be Derrick's team.
Too bad these overpayed children cry about the coach being too hard
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
He actually would be a good coach for him,
because Rose is one of those guys who could take it. Tony Parker got quite a bit of tough love from Popovich, and look at him now.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Well folks,
we’re back to the days where Tyrus and Noah play 25 minutes a piece. This is what happens when you give a clueless coach an option: he picks the wrong one.
God I truly, truly hate this franchise.
Cheapest coach in the league. Get what you pay for.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Only in the nba
does a guy get fouled then go up and score a second later. Hell guys might as well foul twice since the nba’s shitty continuation rule ruines the game. It makes lebron and kobe and harris a lot better than they really are.
My Bulls Buzz has been killed.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Frustrating
How many times did Derrick Rose attack the basket this game???
How many times did Devin Harris attack the basket this game???
How many???
How many of the Nets players know they have to give Devin the ball?
How many of the Bulls players know they to give Derrick the ball?
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
16 shot attempts for Tyrus Thomas
Offensive gameplan fail.
Like I said, expect more of this from Rose if the Bulls continue to put a mockery of a coaching staff out there. The emotions of nonchalance come from the inept dolt that is apparently leading them all. Why care when your coach is stupid and benches you in the 4th quarter?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Del Negro
overplays his bench relies on it way too much, sits guys like tyrus and deng in the 3rd q. for way too long, he doesn’t ride the momentum out, he kills it. He is a momentum killing coach worse than boylan.
I am sure Vinny will get a call from Dorf or Pax because they cannot afford...
for Derrick Rose to take a step back, esp when the goal is to build the team around him. Derrick Rose needs a coach who understands what he means to the Chicago Bulls and Fans and begin to build a team around him that will feature HIM.
This current team does not reflect that. Ben Gordon initiating the offense. Tyrus Thomas running the fastbreak. The ball leaving Roses hands and it not finding its way back to him.
The team is not Derrick Roses team, so I guess he said fuck it. I will show you that you cannot win freezing me out. This includes you Vinny. I Derrick Rose makes you Vinny look good.
If Derrick Rose does not bounce back this season then Vinny is GONE guaranteed along with some of the other players.
And after jumping up to the 6th seed in Holllingers playoff odds...
… the Bulls are brought back to Earth
I would say it would be more appropriate to say the Bulls were brought back to the
Journey to the center of the earth.
where VDN’s demons roam in chaos and confusion.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Once again under the guidance of our inglorious leader General Vinny DelNincompoop
the Bulls snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
against a craptastic team.
His professionals just didn’t “earn their minutes tonight” I guess.
Oh well back to the “beginners guide to team basketball video”.
Wow! Luol with another clutch 3, just when it looked hopeless. Wait. It was hopeless.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
I'll say it again this one hurts..
damn I was having a great day!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Please shut the hell up blaming Rose. The damn coach does not know when to make subs. Rose can turn it on any time and create for the rest of the team so he should never be benched in the fouth. How many times have we seen this…it’s the coach dumbasses.
I'll blame Rose.
Great players don’t let thats shit happen. It’s the truth.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
I thought Ben Gordon was Jesus Christ
Where’s the blame for him?
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
When he has a bad game it's ok
When Rose has a bad game he doesn’t care. When Hinrich has a good game, well no one cares.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
that last one is correct
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, the Gordon thing is unfair
Because there are only a vocal few who actually support him (myself included).
But, I love how Derrick Rose is supposed to be this fiery guy all of a sudden when he was being praised for his humble, quiet nature in the past. He’s taken over games in the 4th before, he took the game over last night in the 3rd when Orlando almost came back. But, tonight, when his whole team plays like shit, he deserves all the blame? The future is Rose, but that doesn’t mean everyone on the team can’t be held accountable.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man........
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
If Rose is so great then why don't Vinny and the players treat him that way. I blame this on Vinny.
Rose is a rookie and therefore will defer more to the coach and the other players, but as soon as he stops and recognizes that everything begins and ends with HIM then the Bulls will return to glory.
It takes the right coach to groom a raw phenom into a superstar, that is why Phil Jackson is one of the greatest coaches to ever coach. He took a basketball genious and made him into a basketball god. He took one of the most physically gifted centers ever and made him into a legend, while coaching another phenom whom he is now duplicating his work that he done with Jordan.
Kobe will be a god in the end because he had a hell of a coach and all good players know that. Rose needs a COACH. Do you think Phil Jackson would have this problem with Derrick Rose?
i can only hope
that we can cut derrick by the end of the season. he is the worst player on the roster.
he is ruining lindsay hunter’s development.
aaron gray would have stopped devin harris because he cares and is a real professional.
do i have you summed up there mr. eater?
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
by wennington4 on Feb 26, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad to be watching
the Hubie Brown Grizzlies. Everyone with equal time!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions
vinny's subs
take guys out of their rhythms. It really is something to behold. Pax probably thought he finally got an idiot proof roster. He was wrong
Rose/Hinrich
Gordon/Salmons
Deng/Salmons
Tyrus/Noah
Noah/Miller
Tim Thomas on an emergency basis only. It really is simple. Except for Vinny
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
No, Tim Thomas was the steal of the trade dude!
I totally expected his insane shooting to carry over……oh wait I forgot Tim Thomas isn’t that good.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Tim thomas really didn't do anything wrong
he just wasn’t hitting his shots and that’s what he’s expected to do, oh well
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and if you leave him in the game he will keep taking those shots
even if he misses them all. That is why he needs to come out if he isn’t hitting.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Look at the bright side
NY is about to lose and the Bucks are gonna lose as well.
Not much has changed besides NJ is tied with us now
i really want the Bulls to get that 5th seed
so we don’t have to play the magic, celtics, or cavs and the fifth seed is attainable
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
why does VDN sub out players after the first 4 minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarters
it doesn’t make sense and he waited way to long to bring Deng into the 4th quarter
vinny
less hinrich and more rose. rose should be 35 minutes no matter what a night. I don’t pay to watch hinrich and tim thomas play over rose, deng, and tyrus.
thomas played way to long
he wasn’t hitting his shot tonight, so he should have just been subbed out right away when we knew his shot wasn’t falling tonight
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
ONE LOSS = END OF THE WORLD?
give me a f-ing break. it’s one game. regular season.
devin harris >> drose right now
some of you people need to calm the f*ck down.
we blew out the magic, we blew a big lead and stunk in the 4th qtr against the nets. yes, we have to get better and vinny sucks, but tell me something i don’t know. take each basketball game for what it is. anything can happen.
WADE 2010
by Orange Juice on Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
one player shouldn't be able to dictate the game
our players played horrible tonight
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
one player shouldn't be able to dictate the game?
have you watched the NBA in the last 25 years?
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
It's PATTERN
This loss just presents a pattern that has been happening again and again.
Offensive sets that completely ignores Derrick Rose.
How many times does the Nets go to Devin Harris on offense??
And when we’re not hitting our shots……then we should be giving it to Rose and let him attack right?? Well, no, the Bulls doesn’t do that. We still continue to jack up shots and missing them.
tyrus's shots were horrible
we have some good looks, just weren’t hitting them
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls have been consistent in their inconsistency of play this season.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
There is hardly a point to beating Orlando and Denver when you lose to Indiana and NJ. It is not a good sign at all. You just expend energy and get little for it. The players certainly know this.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Yea WTF does VDN always kill the momentum?!?!?!
I can’t remember which game it was but it was a couple weeks back when the Bulls made a double digit comeback and when they finally got the lead and a stop at the other end… Here comes VDN to kill the momentum the players had going…
….I think it might have been against the Heat
we werent hitting our shots and devin was on fire in the 4th.
Theyre a bad team but i’m not worried about this loss so much.
Rose isn’t going to take over the game everytime at the end. Definitely not when hes not in the game at the end anymore. He should be in at the end at all times
Thats the most selfish they have played in a long time.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Um no they passed last night.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
I'll tell you what when VDN let Hinrich get away with shooting two bricks and a turnover
and then Brad Miller threw the ball away I knew this 4th quarter was NJ’s.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
By the time Hinrich entered the 4th quarter, the bulls were down by 11
with 4 minutes left. When he left at the end of the third, the Bulls were up. How can you possibly find a way to make this a “bench Hinrich” issue?
reinsdorf is cheap enough
that we’ll go with ruffin as player/coach
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
by wennington4 on Feb 26, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
More likely Hunter
as Pax basically said Hunter would not be traded since he is potential coaching material.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 26, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
so much for the 6th seed. if they keep it up with these uneven efforts from night to night
they’ll be lucky to even sneak into the playoffs.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions
well we are still on par for our 18 and 9 or whatever
we beat two teams we shouldnt and lost to 2 teams we should have beat. im really not that worried
What pisses me off more than the Bulls losing tonight is...
… there still isn’t a FireVDN.com?!? I’ve never made a website before but if this doesn’t get done soon I think I’m gonna have to give it a shot
Lets play the caption game
God Vinny your about as sharp as wet shit!
by TruEChiFaN... on Feb 25, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
"I wish I had hair like that"
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
"Goddamn vdn, trying to tear down my shitty team"
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
by wennington4 on Feb 26, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
eddie jordan, maurice cheeks, pj carlesimo>vinny del nobody
Derrick Rose got Freakin Skillz. When are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Feb 25, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
That game was theirs thats what pisses me off.
You don’t do a damn this for Harris.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
well, that was a letdown.
how hinrich makes 14 pts on 5-8 shooting with 5 assists look bad is beyond me, but somehow he does.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
oh please
spare me. i’m not so biased against hinrich. but something about him has been bugging me lately.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
hinrich was fine in this game, if only because he was knocking down his shots
no one wants to hear it, but its when we took him out that things fell apart.
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think Hinrich took some really bad shots.
What happened to running plays?
Hinrich dribbled so much on one play and then dribbled it right out of bounds off his leg. Then he came back and shot a brick. The next play Miller threw it away. For then on the Bulls never seemed to be in control.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Hinrich had a real bad 1st half
defensively he was trying but having trouble, and offensively he was selfish…
the second half hinrich was great. He did a much better job on defense, and the only real time he messed up in the third was at the end of the quarter when he nearly lost the ball. D. harris only had ONE shot in the third….and thats the quarter hinrich played the majority of….
The bulls lost control in the 4th…in the begining of the 4th….d. haris killed the whole damn team in the 4th…..we lost because the defense sucked. But if you wanna say kirks the reason we lost then you are being dense….
or saying that kirk is yesterday…..is that saying regardless if he plays well he shouldnt….bah…thats the kind of comments that peave me…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
No Hinrich did not play most of that quarter. He an Rose split that quarter
nearly half on half.
Many reasons the Bulls had lost..
but to me I felt that the Bulls had a decent hold on the game until Hinrich started drinking on the end of the bench and then gave the flask to Tyrus and Vinny while D Rose smoked a bowl with Luol Deng.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
what?!?! (and i actually imagined that scene..so kudos)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
well
like 10 of his points were in garbage time, but he didn’t play horrible tonight
yeah he did.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Who is "he"?
There is a “reply” button folks!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
we got cold in the 4th so when that happens a loss is going to happen.. not that big of a deal..
but this is a big deal.. not sure why vinny is doing this.. but it must be corrected…
gordon with 33 minutes
rose with 30 minutes
noah with 23 minutes
deng with 30 minutes
TT with 24 minutes
salmons with 31 minutes
hinrich with 24 minutes
miller with 24 minutes
lesser TT with 16 minutes….
that is a 9 man rotation all getting about the same amount of minutes… no wonder we went cold in the 4th quarter…. you cant expect players to get into a groove when subs are coming and going so often……
by masputo on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
exactly
VDN subs have thrown the Bulls off in 3 straight games. He is just mixing and matching randomly not paying attention to game flow at all.
Oh shit. NO! I think I figured it out. VDN is the computer from NBA Live 97!
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
there's no reason why salmons should get 31 minutes and deng only 30
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
When you get cold from shooting
You need to attack the basket….
who’s our best player at attacking the basket???
…..
…
…..
….
I love our offense everyone just stands around and watches.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
he should have just left derrick in
but screamed at him to attack,or something. Benching him would just make him sulk like any player who feels he should be a leader
yeah I think he's sulking a bit.
VDN is loosing this team I can tell.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Yeah VDN is very loose
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
losing
thanks George!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Anybody with half of a basketball brain knows when they are dealing with a coach...
with some basketball sense and a damn douche dressed up as a coach. I think Derrick Rose is tired of Vinny and is no longer motivated to play for him.
I agree
That game against the Pacers when he was out for most of the fourth,Derrick said “I guess he took me out to have a better chance to win. I’m never surprised when I come out”.
Your star player.....Your future.....The face of your franchise says that!!!!!! and then everyone...
is wondering why he is not aggressive? The Coach has not yet made him HIS priority. Derrick has turned Vinny OFF!!!! Vinny is gone. He may not even make it to the end of the season.
Exactly
Can you blame Rose. Time after time we have seen him leave Rose on the bench when we are down in the fourth and third. And the dumb shit he did last by putting the starters back out up 15 with 2 mins left in the fourth. He is showing us with this decision he needs to be fired. Too many times.
That was a slap in the face. You put your lead player in during garbage time......
your franchise player.
Why the hell Vinny the Ninny did not put Hunter or Roberson in against
Orlando in garbage time is a mystery.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree...
… I think we can expect more of the same if there isn’t a coaching change made. I don’t know who to blame more… VDN because he is the one doing the coaching or JP because he still hasn’t fired him yet.
even if the bulls make the playoffs
i still want vinnys head. the rookie head coach experiment hasnt worked out at all and if the bulls do make the playoffs, it can absolutely not be credited to VDN cause he didnt do shit
If the Bulls continue like this then we will miss the playoffs...when we should not...
we have too many good players not to make a run, but a douche for a coach and obviously Del Harris and Bernie Bickerstaff are letting Vinny fall on his ass.
What bothers me is not so much that Vinny is a bad coach,
but that he does not seem to be learning from his mistakes.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
Playoffs< VDN fired
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
So you would wehrer keep the same dumbass coach?
Eddie Jordan, Avery Johnson, Mo Cheeks,etc… Any would be better than what we have now
i prefer jeff van guny
or lindsay hunter, since he’s already been around a coach that doesn’t know what the hell is going on, it’s a good learning experience for him if he’s interested in coaching
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls need a ra-ra guy, IMO
Someone like Doc Rivers who may not be a great tactician, but every guy loves to play for him, and he always knows what to say to get that extra effort. That, and blackmail Tom Thibodeau into taking an assistant position with the team.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
If I was confident Paxdorf would hire someone even a little competent no.
But look at the last 2 coaches Pax has hired…
im going to go out on limb
and guarantee a win against washington! I know it’s risky, but i’m doing it
whoa buddy
step off that ledge. VDN may just start Tim Thomas. That guy can really …. run to the 3 pt line.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
not really a risk...
bulls like to lose then win then lose then win…..its what they do..no matter the team their playing…we beat orlando because we lost the previous game…and we lost tonight cause we beat orlando yesterday…its what we do…
better beat washington friday
if we lose that i’ll be yelling at vinny behind the bulls bench all game for my 1 bulls game a year. WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS VDN IS A MILWAUKEE BUCK, THUNDER CALIBER COACH NOT A BULLS LEVEL COACH.
I miss the days when you knew what teams you would beat and what teams would beat you.
This jack in the box shit is driving me crazy!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
someone tell VDN that traps are legal in the NBA
it seems like when a guy scores 42 points you may want to send a double team his way. Just a thought.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 9:13 PM CST reply actions
but then what are we going to do about bobby simmons
if we trap harris
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
i was joking
but seriously hassel and Yi were in the Nets starting lineup, we could easily double team Harris
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Dabullz.com Recap
http://dabullz.com/2009/02/25/new-jersey-nets-111-vs-chicago-bulls-99/
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
can't wait to read it!
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
hahaha
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Why?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
i love that the pistons suck.
it gives me great satisfaction.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The Pistons need a new coach now. Can we trade Vinny for a used pair of Nikes? or an old jock strap?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 25, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Remember when the Pistons last sucked?
They changed their freaking jerseys to like aquamarine and had the Bishop chess piece with fire coming out.
Bad Boys!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Let it be known
D. Haris only had one shot made in the 3rd….. BOOOO Hinrich…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I believe hinrich guarded harris even when rose was in
but if you want we could flip it and blame the 4th quarter collapse on gordon and his shortness….
4th quarter collapse…been a while since i used that word…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
negative.... when Rose was on the floor he guarded Harris unless there was a switch.....
and in Vinnys defensive philosophy there is bound to be one.
so...
is that a negative or positive (because of the whole switching thing…)
but from what i saw, hinrich was normally on harris…..i did walk away from the game a few times, but not for long periods of times, so its possible there was a switch….but for the most part i saw hinrich on harris….and eventually rose went on the bench….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I know where you are going with this and there is no way that Hinrich is better than
Rose. Rose wins hands down. There is no way that Hinrich means more to this team than Rose…..no way.
Rose lack of defense is because he is a rookie and most importantly he don’t have a real coach. Rose learned more under Calapari in Memphis than he is with Vinny now.
Vinny is a HUGE downgrade from Calapari any day of the week.
if you know where im going with this is
kirk being greater than rose, then you are going the wrong way….i dont blame rose or gordon or any individual player on this team at all for this loss. Theres a post below that sums up what really went on in this game, it wasnt a single player playing bad, it was a coaching staff that isnt doing its job (as you noticed with the rose thing)
my point of my post was more retaliation in a sense, not againt you per se (since i dont remember if you actually made comments like this) but against several people in the first thread who let kirk have it for “not defending” harris. And the myth that, “hinrich cannot guard fast guards”….my point was simply to defend hinrich, not hold him as the best player on the team.
I hope im not insulting you at all, its not my intention….i agree with the last part of your post btw. Though i also think rose needs to attack the rim alot, i rather lose games with rose driving to the rim and being blocked a thousand times than lose like this…thats because i know rose will eventually adapt and know what his limits are in terms of driving to the rim…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
I got you...sorry but I am so frustrated with our Coaching staff....
If only we had a coach with half a brain then we would be better off.
let it be known Bulls can't guard fast point guards.
Or beat teams with less talent then them.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
kinda hard to guard a guy when a 7 footer is picking you off
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah?
Stop the ball before they send the pick up. Step 1. Rose just stands up on defense and wait for the ball to come to him.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
are you serious? play up on devin harris?
that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all night.
he would burn anyone in the nba, and the game is immediately 5 on 4
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
agreed.
chasing brook lopez out to the perimeter is stupid
stay at home and guard the paint
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Rose is just as fast.
So you think he should just wait for Harris on the 3 pt line and get picked off?
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
you have defenders in the paint for a reason
you fight through the pick in case harris decides to settle for the jumper.
I don’t care how fast Rose is, he’s not quick enough to fight through a pick and stay in front of Devin Harris. we have defenders down low for a reason.
by darksmokepuncher on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
You do that to Steve Nash or Jose Calderon
Not Devin Harris, probably in the top 5 of fastest players in the league. Especially since he draws contact about as well as any guard, bodying him would just result in foul after foul.
I’m honestly not trying to excuse Rose’s poor D. He’s atrocious, we all know it. I maintain it’s a lack of coaching that results in him rarely fighting through screens.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I think it's effort.
Rose looked like he didn’t wanna touch Harris or play basketball tonight.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
and yes I agree Brad Miller has no reason going
out to the 3 pt line trying to stop Harris.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Unless Miller flagrantly fouls Harris out of his game.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I just watched WGN news and they showed the game.
Miller on one play just ran out to Harris and it looked like the electrical pulse that tells Brad Miller to stop was on a 5 second delay. Wow.
Harris went all the way down the lane and score by the time Miller had turned around.
Miller looked like an octopus.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
fouls
i think rose didnt want to get a foul and be pulled off the court. Thats my thought….vdn has to establish rotation rules…..so players arent afraid to go all out and know when its their time to shine.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
we did guard fast point guards
in the 3rd…..my whole point….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
or was Harris just not aggressive in the 3rd quarter
he seemed to have his way with Hinrich in the second when he wanted to go to the rim.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
who cares about the backup PG?
if he played 10 minutes that’d be great, and we wouldn’t even have to talk about his performance. Not sure how the Nets get by with nobody like Kirk Hinrich on their bench.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
If Portland has the cap space this summer,
Hinrich for Blake straight up would be a good move, especially if it allows for re-signing BG.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 26, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
Souleater7 has given me an idea for an inspirational uniform change to represent Vinny's Bulls.
Have them wear green jerseys with question marks all over them and change their name to the Chicago Riddler’s as a tribute to the inner workings of VDN’s schemes
Maybe we can confuse their opponents as much as he has confused them..
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Awesome, makes my sig line more believable.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously, Basketball Smurf summed it all up precisely in describing why the Bulls lost tonight and will continue to lose as long as Captain Kangaroo is directing this cartoon.
when he wrote
"Ii know you guys can’t wait to blame your favorite nemesis on the team (hinrich, rose, gordon, thomas, whoever) but I think this is what happens when VDN substitutes so erratically. Everyone is out of sync.
Tyrus gets it going, he sits. Hinrich gets it going, sits. Miller gets it going, sits. Rose, Deng, Salmons, Gordon – VDN is stopping us from making runs before we even get going because his substitutions are so erratic.
BINGO!!!
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
or when you can play the pick and roll.
and play one on one.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
can't
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
We always switch on the pick and roll.
Somebody else brought this up. but it’s a retarded defensive plan. Yeah, Brad Miller, you can stop Devin Harris, amirite?
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
The New Jersey commentators were commenting on how RELIEVED they were...
that Vinny WENT AWAY from the high pick and roll because the Nets could not stop Derrick Rose when that play was called. That is the difference in this game. Vinny went away from what was successful in the past TWO wins against NJ.
There wasn't enough practice time for the team.
Thats what Vinny would say.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
Vinnys post game press conference bordors on lunacy. He really thinks he knows what he is ...
doing. The Bulls sports writers question him like they are at a damn tea party after the game or something.
During the NCAA Basketball finals it was reported that Coach Cal told Derrick Rose...
in an earlier game that “I want you to be a great as Tiger Woods” and “I see you becoming as great as he”.
Now when a player WITH talent has a coach who believes in him like that then he will play his ASS off for him. He knows that the coach wants to see him suceed and become the basketball god that he knows that he is. Any moves Coach Cal made with Derrick Rose made him better. Coach Cal made Derrick into a leader and understood him and saw greatness in him.
Vinny is no Coach Cal and Derrick is tired of eating hot dogs when he is used to Steak and potatoes. Paxson has to hire a coach that is the equal to what Derrick Rose got in Memphis or greater.
Hell if he could, he should try to get Coach Cal to come to Chicago next year.
That was my dream 10 games in the season, after understanding VDN had a pile of crap under his bonnet...
coach cal would get Rose’s leadership and win mentality right back – we do need that! Oh, and he could actually design play sets, and develop other players too! wow!
FUCKKKKK YOUUUUU VIIINNIYYYY!!!!!! aaahh, it’s a relief!
In defense of D. Rose, I recall him commenting after playing his first game with Tim Thomas something to the effect of
It was fun. He told me where to stand.
My question is what have the 3 stooges been teaching these kids all season if this is a new experience for the willing to learn rookie guard?
Could the answer be “very little”?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
I'm telling you man....Derrick has not had a Coach this year. This is window dressing. Derrick is
hungry and he wants to learn, but you cannot learn from someone who is dumber than you.
You answer a fool according to his folly and he will think he is wise.
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