Bulls 120, Magic 102: Offensive! As in: awesome offense, offensive coach
Oh, Vinny. A little bit much with the post title, I agree. But to you first:
The main problem with his over-reliance on the bench tonight wasn't as much this game in a vaccum, but what it could mean for future games, and especially future fourth quarters. This is because Vinny's already established himself as a bad NBA coach. If he were a good coach, there wouldn't be so much handwringing after a truly fantastic performance by the Bulls.
But we've seen where Kirk Hinrich has a couple good games and then he's left in a game against Indiana even though he's personally sabotaging the whole team (and Derrick Rose is on the bench). We've seen where Tyrus Thomas gets his minutes slowly stripped away under the guise of teaching professionalism. I'm not worried about the young guys losing confidence, I'm worried about the team being hurt by not playing their better players (who just happen to be young) more, and in crunch time.
What is of some comfort: In the odd world of VDN, at least if the Bulls are playing well, the starting lineup will remain intact. And that means that the starters are guaranteed minutes. This isn't as bad as when Aaron Gray started so one couldn't even guarantee any minutes for Thomas and Noah.
And honestly, this was their first game of a stretch of 4 in 5 nights, so the rest will help. Though with a couple garbage minutes to go he could've put in Hunter, Gray, and Roberson instead of the starters, but maybe it was a favor to them in order to get some help in the box score...
...And they blew out the Orlando Magic! I have nice cuddly things to say about everyone, the Bulls played that well. It was cerainly their best offensive game of the year, an offensive efficiency rating over 123 on nearly 59% eFG%.Vinny can credit ball movement all he wants, but it was also guys just making shots. A lot of them...
Rose: Didn't get to the line (and he had 2 especially glaring chances where he passed while getting fouled. He'll learn...) but was absolutely deadly hitting the mid-range jumper. His man was usually late, the big was usually sagging to the middle to stop a drive, and Rose was pulling up and nailing shots.
Gordon: Did what he always does. Scored with efficiency, though this game more the hard way than usual: he was 0-1 from three. And some of those shots were really tough. Say it like Stacy King: This guy is a shot-maker.
Deng: Started out real strong, even showed off a running hook shot in the lane. Cruddy 3rd quarter (Gordon can take those 'my turn' shots, not you...) and then a victim of Vinny's bench fun.
Tyrus Thomas: That jumper has more range by the game. 17 points in 24 minutes [wow, I did what I swore I wouldn't: mix up Tyrus and Tim Thomas. Tyrus had 11 tonight, not 17 -ed.], though this wasn't the best matchup for him defensively as he frequently had to stay out by the 3-point line to stick Orlando's 3-point shooters. But it's pretty much over, isn't it? Detractors can't even call him inconsistent any more, he's flat-out producing all the time, now that he has been given a chance to do so.
Noah: I thought Noah was sensational. He was doing what he could with Howard (though, and Kelly Dwyer points this out a lot, he often spaces out until his man actually gets the ball, allowing post position too easily), and on offense he was on the full (awkward) attack. 6-7 from the line, catching some fairly difficult passes while he dove to the basket.
Miller: So this is the difference when the backup big man can actually do something with Dwight Howard. Not stopping him of course, but it was enough for me to just see Miller holding his ground. It helped the team defense by not forcing otheres to help as quickly (and credit to Vinny on changing up that strategy from the last Orlando debacle). On offense was able to work from the high post and do Brad Miller things...adding a special dose of this.
Tim Thomas: I guess I learned something about my basketball sensibilities tonight...I like lazy and smart more than passionate and dumb. Tim Thomas may be a coach's nightmare compared to Andres Nocioni, but at least he knows his role is to stand and shoot, and he doesn't try (or more accurately: doesn't care) to do much more than that. He was sticking with Rashard Lewis where Noc would've had his head nearly spun off trying to decide when to run and hack Howard. But Tim, please don't let Vinny give you Tyrus' minutes. Maybe this early burn from Vinny is just to keep from 'losing' Tim...so if it works, great: because his spot minutes are at least more predictable than what was coming in the past, and I'd prefer that from the bench role players
Salmons: No complaints (or more importantly, a dip in performance) yet from him as a bench player. What is especially nice is the way he can finish inside after contact, something not in great quantity in this team (basically what one would wish Larry Hughes could do). And even when on the court with Gordon, both being 'ball stoppers', they seem to at least work together enough to get out of eachother's way.
Hinrich: Made of teflon, so why even bother? Kidding, Kirk was threatening to prove yet again he couldn't guard quick PGs when he was getting pantsed by Alston in the 4th, but rebounded with a huge steal (that was pretty much a foul, but...) and another forced turnover. And he did shoot 3-4, realizing he should just stand there when out there with the scorers.
This is a very good 9-man rotation. Just hope in the future that Vinny handles it with more heirarchy than anarchy. Winning this one lessens the sting out of losing at Indiana, as the 3 remaining games (@Nets, @Wiz, Rockets) are very winnable. Now that this roster is fairly stacked both in the first and second units, a lot of games are winnable.
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Marking this down
As your most optimistic post in a long long time.
I can’t argue with it though =)
by Option27 on Feb 24, 2009 11:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I cant decide if hinrich played good or not
box score doesnt look too shabby, and matt here states that hinrich was definetly alright in the 4th…the game thread however had a completely different vibe from it, so i was thinking another pacer game….althought judging from where the negative comments were coming from maybe i shouldnt read much into them. I guess ill watch teh replay and make up my own mind, but hey we beat the magic in a very nice manner, were they not trying or were we really that good?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess he wasn't that bad
Alston (and sometimes Anthony Johnson) made him look pretty silly quite a few times, but other than that I guess he did ok. He was pretty much a non-factor on offense. There was really no reason for VDN to play him for the amount of time that he did. In all honesty, Hunter could’ve provided the exact same thing that Kirk did tonight.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 24, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also i question the myth about hinrich vs quick guards
he has guarded the likes of tony parker and d-wade, two of the most lethal and quick guards in the entire nba with more success than most usually have. Also hinrich only played 26 minutes, and i was told that rose sat much of the 4th, more because its his first time playing a game and then going and playing an away game the very next day so vdn decided to rest him early ( i think thats smart actually) so i dont think he played alot of the game. i couldnt watch the game (it was on wgn im guessing) so i dont know exactly how his game went and how bad he was killed by the quick guards.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2009 2:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I watched
and I can definitely say that Alston is quick and he killed Kirk quite a few times. So that’s not really a myth dude.
I know you won’t think that 26 min is too much, but I do. With the ebb and flow of last night’s game, there was honestly no reason that Hunter couldn’t have provided 5-10 minutes of time, especially at the very end. Vinny brought a few of the starters back in around the 2:45 mark, which made absolutely no sense at all.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better take up the
Kirk-can-guard-quick/athletic-guards banner on games that you have watched.
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by cranscape on Feb 25, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get Alston
It seems every time I watch him (and I’ve done that quite a bit more than many from other teams, seeing as I have enjoyed the past Rockets defensive minded games) he plays pretty well, he’s just a damn crafty player…..not sensational, but never appears to be too bad (I don’t really know his stats), but yet everywhere you go it’s always Alston sucks, he’s bad. I don’t get it.
I get that he seems like he could and should be better with his crafty passing and crafty moves, but he always looks efficient out there…..I don’t understand. I am frustrated that every time you here him it’s always: street ball legend Rafer Alston….that’s annoying.
I thought he made some nifty plays that no PG could guard against…..just flashy misdirectional quick turn plays, kind of the norm for him to do at times….
Maybe he’s just a godawful shooter? Maybe that’s why he’s bad.
I thought overall Kirk played well tonight as did the entire team.
it’s funny we can look like a mess after losing to Indiana like we did, then turn things around after one practice and look like a team with no weaknesses against one of the best in the entire league….
Yesterday was a fun game….I’m sure today we’ll deflat back to reality…..hopefully though we’ll still get a win, just won’t look like a top 4 caliber team like we did yesterday.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's good.
The Rockets made a confusing trade.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that confusing. They got a younger, better player for cheaper. That's a good deal.
Kyle Lowry is young and improving and already offers more than Alston, and Alston will only decline further because of his age (32).
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But all the pundits out there during the trade on ESPN etc were all saying he’s crap for years….and going on other blog areas, I hear it often—though last year some of the boo birds changed their tune, still the general consensus is that he’s bad….
Lowry might offer more soon, but I don’t know if he has quite that experience yet….we’ll see though….Memphis was awfully excited to trade him….and kept drafting guys after him or pick up otehr PG’s in trades…..we’ll see.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alston is solid for sure. Lowry is just a bit better, a bit cheaper, and much younger.
Add it all up and you get a sense of why they made the deal.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like what I've seen from Lowry
I’m just wondering why he’s been shopped so hard and the Grizz have been so apt to find replacements for him (Crittenton, who they quickly realized wasn’t it, Conley, who’s one year younger but has been to date far worse)….and was drafted immediately after Lowry….
Spells a bit of trouble there, especially when they included him in a trade that netted pretty little to the Grizz.
by majoyenrac on Feb 26, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well the Grizz are a pretty inept organization, so that could have something
to do with it.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 26, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could have something to do with it true
But it does seem awfully strange, especially when Lowry continues to outperform Conley….
by majoyenrac on Feb 26, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lindsey Hunter
Ain’t in Kirk’s league anymore….stop wtih the needless hate.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop with the constant apologizing
I wasn’t even gettin in at Kirk, all I said was that there was nothing he did yesterday that Hunter couldn’t have done. Which is the aboslute truth. He was 3-4 shooting and got burned on D a few times. You mean to tell me that Hunter couldn’t have done the same thing?
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are being ridiculous
hunter is not anywhere near kirk hinrich. I’m not a hinrich fan, but he made some plays in the 4th. And no, Hunter could not have done the same things.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are in rare form today
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rare form?
you are comparing a guy who is 38 years old and is all but done in the league, a guy who didn’t even play when we were down to 8 men, to a productive starter quality point guard. I’m at a loss.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
numbers aside
I’m comparing one guy’s meh-ness to another’s.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't play well.
I think Norm was just discounting Hinrich’s production in this game.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, but don't bother explaining Prevenge
The Hinricheers only comprehend when they want to…logic is purely optional.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a hinrich fan
but to argue that a washed up 38 year old point guard could have the same affect on the game as Kirk Hinrich is just silly, boring, Hinrich hate. Its stupid. Do you really believe Hunter can play as well as Hinrich? You said you were comparing their “meh-ness.” What the hell does that mean? Hinrich played decently. I don’t believe he should have been in the game ahead of Rose, but to come up with silly arguments doesn’t advance the point at all. When Hunter played earlier in the season, he didn’t look like he belonged on an NBA court.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one last time, because evidently you are just slow or dumb or both
-In his minutes, Hinrich was 3-4, for 6 pts/4 rebs/3 ast/1 st…if you think that is a great line, then you are just an idiot
-Surprisingly, he only had 1 foul, though being made to look silly at least 3-4 times
-Yes, I do think that Hunter could’ve put up the same line if given those same 26 min that Kirk had
End of story.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow I can't believe this brought out this much emotion in you
Maybe you need to lie down…
- i said he played decently. i never he said he played great or had a great line. nice way of trying to change the argument
- his line backs me up. Do you want Hinrich in there jacking up shots? He played efficiently, like you want your back up point guard to play. I don’t get your beef with his game, but hey, you seem to be a pretty angry dude. have at it.
- His d was a mixed bag. He got burned a couple times but he did force a couple turnovers in the 4th.
- Its not his fault VDN plays him at the wrong time. But when he was in the game, he played decently.
- Hunter has played in 8 games in the new year. He has played 8 minutes since Jan. 12. He is averaging 3pts per game on 35% shooting. He has a per of 8. His legs are completely shot and he can no longer play defense. Ben Gordon jokingly referred to him as 1/2 a player. He is not as good as Kirk Hinrich… even if you can’t see that through your rage.
Oh, and have a good day.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you, my friend
need reading comprehension 101
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 26, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying.
A quiet night for Kirk is similar to what Hunter would do with that amount of time. That has nothing to do with comparing the two’s lifetime career stats or anything. For those minutes you think Kirk had a quiet night. Did what any warm body like Hunter could do.
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by cranscape on Feb 25, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How was that
an apology from me?
And yes Lindsay couldn’t play like Kirk at all.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"apologizing", meaning apologizing for Kirk
I didn’t say that Hunter could play like Kirk, I said that there was nothing Kirk did YESTERDAY that set him apart from anyone or made him special. Hunter could’ve done the same things YESTERDAY. Clear enough?
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree.
Kirk played well yesterday….
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kirk had a soild game
he didnt force anything on offense and played good defense.. there was times where rafer took him to the rack. but he and anthony johnson did the same with derrick and BG. but kirk was big in momentum change yesterday. he had a huge steal on rafer on a fast break right under the magic rim. and also while lewis was inbounding, kirk slapped the ball back to him, which was a turnover. i agree it was odd to keep derrick out in the 4th, but im guessin VDN wanted to give rose a break at the start, but when kirk and BG heped push the lead in the 4th, there was no point in bringing back rose. espcially since they have to get on a plane and play at NJ tonight.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Feb 25, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know...
I agree that VDN prolly wasn’t intending to keep Rose out, but why he brought him back with 2 min left (up by like 17) was confusing.
I realize Rose is a rookie, but as somebody mentioned in the game thread, that’s what Roberson is for.
It honestly is that kind of crap that will wreak havoc on a player with a history of tendenitis. VDN should have known better.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny continues to repeat the same mantra
More or less it is “I will play the players that are effective in that game situation”.
This isn’t good in the long run. It’s great for a first time coach like Vinny. He’s still learning while we all have to watch it.
ugh.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
o ya
no argument there… that boggeled my mind too… i guess he cant coach a give wihout vinny-ing it up.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Feb 25, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* coach a game
sorry..
i should learn to preview before posting
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Feb 25, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you got your thomas' confused
tim had 17, not tyrus.
i’ll be very interested to see if they can build off this tomorrow night in a winnable road game. being a bulls fan, i’m naturally quite skeptical.
also of note, detroit continues to suck it up, and we’re only 2 games out of the 6th seed. how nice would it be to get that 6 seed and get this orlando team in the first round instead of getting our asses handed to us by boston or cleveland?
by Calogero on Feb 24, 2009 11:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
indeed
I’m an idiot. Misread the Thomas’s lines. I swore that would never happen too :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want the 5th seed and atlanta
call me greedy
and skeptical of beating this team more than they lose to it
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about that
Yesterday game was the first one that I saw after that lost in Dallas. And I liked what I saw in general. I think the trades benefited us and we can make a run now. The next 6-7 games are very winnable. I think we can get a 5-2 record or 6-1 record. Maybe I’m dreaming, just like you, but I believe that, if we have the chance to end 5th and play against Atlanta, we would have some possibilities of going to the conference semi-finals. Not bad for a team that have a awesome rookie PG and a dumb rookie coach
by bull83 on Feb 25, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all down to the last 12 games...
…here. Going 9-3 is not out of the question at all. If they can tread water and go 7-6 over the next 13, finishing 9-3 would put them just above .500. With two more games still vs. Miami, they’d have a shot. Although, Miami’s positioned themselves well, too.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger has us as the sixth seed
finishing 15-10 to go .500 for the season
--Torch
by torch on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A .500 record gets the sixth seed in the playoffs?
sheesh, what has this league become? parity, parity, parity
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by BCs71 on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The East overall has a better record against hte West, and there aren’t the 2 extra games against complete crap taht there are in the West (there’s only 1 Wizards in the East, vs the West’s Clippers, Grizzlies, Thunder, T-Wolves, and Kings…..
So that gives teams likely an extra 1.75 wins in the West than the East.
Add in that 3 of the real 5 contenders (Boston, LA, Cleveland, Orlando, Spurs) are in the East, and the amount of dangerous underperforming mid 20’s win teams (raptors, Bulls, 76ers, hell even Indy’s offense can give them solid wins against all the giant killers).
The league conferences are at least on par this year.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sheesh, what has this league become?
A revenue stream?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After the magnificent win against Orlando, I see us getting a 19-6 record now
I only see us losing to @Miami, @ Orlando, @ Philly, vs. Boston, vs. Lakers and @ Toronto (they seem to be better now with Marion). I know that the Hornets have CP3, but we play at home. So, I think we can win this one. All that Vinny has to do is play the best players at the right time. They’ll do the rest. But I think that the only chances that we have of going to the conference semi-finals are if we play against Atlanta, the "worst" of the first four…
by bull83 on Feb 25, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After the atrocious loss to Indiana...
…I wonder how people forget recent history for the most-recent history.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, that was the first time the new guys played and Indy have a nice record at home
Maybe i’m being to optimistic, but hope is the last thing to die
by bull83 on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyger
We’re Bulls fans, we have to be optimistic…
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas's range keeps expanding only because
you gave him Tim Thomas’s stats!
by Scotter on Feb 24, 2009 11:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
heh
I did mess up the stats, but I did not confuse them on the court, I swear. Tyrus was shooting even deeper than usual tonight. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus was shooting even deeper than usual tonight. :)
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! That is NOT a good thing!
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is making those shots
and he has been consistently.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 25, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh
I’d feel better with him shooting 10-15 footers, opposed to 15-20 footers…and I by no means want him falling in love with the jump shot.
And I’d argue that his jumpshot is consistent. Gordon is consistent.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you
we all know Gordon is streaky :)
Anyway, I agree I don’t like it when it gets beyond 15 feet. At least he wasn’t doing the jab-step first last night. But damn when he hits jumpshots he can then fake his way to the line at will…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
his mid-range jumper is definitely looking better. As long as he loses the Gooden-ish “I’m open from 20 ft so I might as well shoot it” mentality, then I’m fine with it.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just FYI, I'm pretty sure he's already "in love" with the jumpers.
I know what you mean, though.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus's actual stats:
11 points on 5 of 9 shooting, 3 rebs, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 2 steals, and 1 blocked shot in just 24 rather disjointed minutes (damn it, Vinny)
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that one rationale I think Vinny might have had for putting in Tim Thomas for Tyrus goes
to something Matt mentioned in his post:
Tim Thomas may be a coach’s nightmare compared to Andres Nocioni, but at least he knows his role is to stand and shoot, and he doesn’t try (or more accurately: doesn’t care) to do much more than that. He was sticking with Rashard Lewis where Noc would’ve had his head nearly spun off trying to decide when to run and hack Howard.
Tyrus was trying to stay down in the paint or close to it when he was guarding ‘Shard and as a result ’Shard was getting lots of open looks from deep and it was hurting us. With Tim Thomas in, he got fewer of those open looks because Tim just hung around him and wasn’t really concerned with much else.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tyrus sat tonight
Because he continually left Rashard Lewis wide open, time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. Tyrus didn’t adjust and not playing him more last night was the rare instance that I (a huge Tyrus supporter) agreed with, especially when Tim Thomas came out lights blaring and hitting everything and outdoing Lewis at Lewis’s game.
Tyrus needs to watch that tape. He was too apt to sit by the lane in the hope yesterday of getting a chance for a block, rather than stay glued on Lewis (which Tyrus can guard with ease).
I think VDN made the right choice to sit him a bit and have him watch, but when things were flowing well wtihout him, thanks to a time where the hot hand and nice offensive flow was working, I was fine with Tyrus sitting a bit more than normal….
Hope that’s not hte norm, but on a game where Tyrus isn’t following his man or really helping out the defense, it’s a necessary adjustment.
Tyrus didn’t play poorly, but that’s also helped because the coach got him out of there once SVG and crew adjusted for him by having Lewis constantly run to the 3 pt lines. Orlando is a weird team anyway, and Tyrus’s man the paint at the 4 spot works on the majority of clubs, but not the great shooting trees.
I did love TYrus’s help defense on Howard a few times, those were awesome.
Oh well, if T2 sits again today, we can start the boo birds, but yesterday was a game where his 24 mins of productivity were justified, even if the box score makes it seem like he had a better game than he did. He was fine, but he really didn’t seem to be helping much when Lewis starting to hit the wide open three’s there under Tyrus’s watch and Orlando starting creeping back in. Tyrus was better in the 4th when he get a few minutes out there again, but that’s also because Orlando stopped using Lewis at all.
Good game though overall by everyone…
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing
is everybody used to rag on him for not staying closer to the basket and acting like he should be a wingman. Now he has learned a bit on where to be in the post, and he is yanked for it. LOL Yes, I agree he wasn’t covering Lewis well at all. I just find it amusing that he was pulled for not playing the way he used to.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 25, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't he guard shooters so they find it hard to shoot, and bangers so they find it hard to bang?
Is that so hard? :P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Nobody, even the big T2 supporters from the start like me, could have seen the dramatic improvement in his shot form that he’s had…..that improvement was absolutely insane.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's always had a soft touch, he just wasn't very consistent
and he seemed rushed a lot of the time. since he’s learned to relax and take his jumpers in rhythm he has been much much better.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Watching him in summer league before his rookie year, I knew he could become a very solid jump shooter and wrote about it after his 1st summer league before his rookie year. Everything in his shot was always fixable, and the one thing that almost every NBA player improves on during their career is shooting. His improvement has been steady over several years, it didn’t come out of nowhere.
by Scotter on Feb 25, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus has never really guarded Rashard Lewis the way he's supposed to
Lewis did make some early shots, but then went so cold he started missing dunks. 12 shot attempts, 9 of which were 3pt attempts. He’s not a good cover for Thomas, but at least get in his face. Make him attempt to drive and pass. He’ll turn it over.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary thing about tomorrow's game.
We know it’s gonna be a real close game down to the wire again. What are the chances that Vinny panicks AGAIN, and subs in Hinrich for Rose to stop DEVIN HARRIS……if he does that….then it’s over, and he needs to go period.
by TheBastid on Feb 24, 2009 11:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Rose last game seemed to manhandle Devin Harris on O and on D….hope that continues.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller led the team in assists tonight (tied with Rose for 5)...
Playing less minutes than everyone who stepped on the court.
I like him backing up Noah, it’s actually a formidable center rotation now.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 24, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’m loving it. :D
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 3:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Brad Miller already
There were 3 chances last night where Dwight Howard had good chances to steal a rebound WHILE being boxed out, but Miller’s not moving. When he’s got position the only thing that prevents him from getting the rebound is a miss that karems away from him and towards the opponent. Just by holding his ground he can shield Howard and either corral the board himself or create the space for our wings to come get it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe "karem"
played for the Lakers. I think this is the word you were looking for:
car⋅om {/ˈkærəm/ [kar-uhm] –noun 1. Billiards, Pool. a shot in which the cue ball hits two balls in succession.
2. any strike and rebound, as a ball striking a wall and glancing off.
–verb (used without object) 3. to make a carom.
4. to strike and rebound.
Also, carrom.
by Cannoli on Feb 25, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
karem?
Misspelling of Kareem, there.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Send me to detention for trying to spell I word I always hear and never write.
I said karem. I meant carom. Never meant Kareem, but I might use that from now on since it’s easy to remember and spell.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also just thrilled
I don’t have to see Aaron Grey out there. Professional players! In established roles! :)
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They play in tandem beautifully, after Howard's huge 1st quarter he really didn't do much.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny the Visionary
I now think Vinny is a coaching visionary and not just an idiot. Sure I questioned him benching Derrick the Miami, Denver, Milwaulke, and Indiana games during important junctures in the 4th, but after tonight I think we are seeing a coach that comes around every 20 years.
Iba, Auerbauch, Wooden, Smith, …. Del Negro.
Watching the Bulls and many other NBA teams since 90 I realized the 4th quater sub pattern was sit your starter from about the 12-8 or 7 min mark of the 4th. In the 90s this was the Bobby Hansen or Judd Budshler time while Mike or Scottie rested. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, and other stars have also sat during these times. If the starters helped the team to a 15+ lead by the 3 min mark the coach would take them out for applause and knee icing time. Let Randy Brown jack up shots in garbage time.
Tonight I actually wasn’t mad for Vinny sitting Ty Deng and Derrick the whole 4th because I thought, " Maybe he knows Orlando is gone quit soon cause the Bulls are shooting so well and he can rest Deng and Rose for tommorrow", When Derrick came back in with 245 left up 17 I actually weighed the pros and cons of con- Derrick blowing out his knee pro- Vinny fired tommorrow morning.
Whatever this season brings remember that you are seeing coaching decisions that go totally against the grain from what was taken place in the past 20 or more years.
by Jscho316 on Feb 25, 2009 12:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Vinny’s just an idiot.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 25, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 25, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again his horrible coaching decisions are what I took out of the game.
The Bulls shot 60% til garbage time. So it was a nice fluke win right after a bad loss.
Vinny’s quotes today were scary. He basically is going the way of Skiles now and , " Guys who play hard and give us the best chance to win are going to be out there". Also, " We don’t have any all stars. Guys are going to have to work for their minutes."
So he is going to take away important mins from the one player who has a chance to be an All Star and not just make the playoffs but help win a playoff series.
Although his new Skiles like sub patterns are at least debatable, putting Rose in garbage time up 17( with free Big Mac locked up) is not. I still wonder what would have happened if Rose twists an ankle and is out for an extended time.
by Jscho316 on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
If we were missing those shots…THEN WHAT??
You know what this team reminds me of now? The Denver Nuggets when they had AI and Carmelo, they were just playing random offense, street playground basketball those years.
Yeah, it’s entertaining and it will get you into the playoffs, but that’s it. We’re gonna be lucky to win 1 game in the playoffs playing like this.
by TheBastid on Feb 25, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh how I'd take a playoff win!
I wouldn’t worry about this now. If they play well with their young team to the point where they get in the playoffs, that’s better than I would’ve expected a few weeks ago.
And think of it this way: Vinny’s gone sooner or later no matter. I guess the only fear is that Tim Thomas leads them into the playoffs, which indeed would be meaningless.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can people stop calling Noah and Thomas a bust now?
I just don’t understand the bad rap they get from the Chicago media. Boers and Bernstein come to mind. I like the show but I hate their Bulls talk. They dog these guys whenever I listen.
The other day I listened Bernstein was complaining about the way Tyrus blocks shots? I guess I don’t understand the hate.
When I watch the game I see good things but when I listen to the radio I hear bad things about them.
Anyways great win the Bulls are pretty deep and that will help against a team like Cleveland if they meet up with them in the playoffs.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 12:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty much an uninformed cliche at this point
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So they don't really watch the games then?
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't even follow the NBA.
I swear 90% them don’t. They just have to fill that time segment somehow so they fall back on the familiar tropes.
Gordon = selfish, greedy, streaky shooter
Thomas = Petulant man child
Noah = lazy weird looking druggy
Noc = aggressive, gritty, someone you can relate to in Chicago
Thabo = defensive TALL SG - Start him! drool
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by cranscape on Feb 25, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well perhaps they do
but they’ve made up their minds so recent play (or like 2 months) isn’t going to change it. It’s easier to just keep saying the same thing.
Sort of like how I’ll say ‘Luol Deng will be fine’ until 2011
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well I'd rather Larry Horse got their time slot.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I say the same about Luol…..sadly.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bust depends on expectations
I think Thomas and Noah are doing a great job. I really hope B-Miller can teach them how to shoot. Hell, if Tyrus could even teach Noah how to shoot a 8-10 footer, then that would be huge.
However, they could be considered busts if you look at what we passed on. Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge. I think that is why Tyrus is (or was) considered a bust. People looked at the guy we traded away and how he is helping Portland get into the playoffs.
Same with Jo Noah. I guess he’s not a bust if you’d rather have him than Spencer Hawes, Thaddeus Young, Al Thornton, Rodney Stuckey, Wilson Chandler and Rudy Fernandez.
Tyrus will be held up to higher standards because at the #2 pick, you should be getting a future allstar if not a franchise player. However, Tyrus’ draft was pretty weak. With the exception of Roy, I don’t think anyone has made an allstar game.
Are either Noah or Tyrus going to be all-stars? Probably not. But that doesn’t make them the Kandi man or Kwame. (best thing he ever did for a team was get traded)
by paxdorf on Feb 25, 2009 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tyrus
Will still be the better player over LMA. He isn’t likely to be Roy, and that was a mistake, but given Roy’s lingering ankle issues, and the high praise at the time of BG, I can see and understand that one.
Tyrus was picked as a project, and we threw him out earlier than anticipated because the Body died in Chicago and we had nowhere else to go.
Now Tyrus is blossoming, he can score and he can defend….he’s going to be very good.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I think Tyrus will be better than LMA too.
I think they are 2 different players. LMA is in the Brad Daughrety mode and I think because he can occasionally play wih his back to the basket, people assume he’s better. People have get use to the fact that Tyrus in a stat stuffer. In fact he’s a more athletic and more impactful Kirelinko from Utah. That’s who he is and the more media and fans in this town get ust to it, the quicker they’ll realize that he’s not a bust but right on schedule.
by Dils on Feb 25, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
simply for the Brad Daugherty reference.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 25, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tyrus is more Josh Smith than Kirilenko, but the point about stat-stuffing remains
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's got vastly more offensive potential than Smith.
Maybe not. I don’t know.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
their numbers are extremely similar over the course of their careers
the big difference being that Smith has always gotten his minutes and has a higher AST% than Tyrus. Other than that they are nearly identical.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=ucTFa
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right, but thomas's shooting numbers for this year...
…are noticeably better than Smith’s. The problem is that Smith hasn’t gotten any better. Thomas has (to bring the offensive production UP to smith’s level), and hopefully will continue to do so.
Comparing him to Smith means he doesn’t really get any better from here on out. I don’t think that will be the case.
Kirilenko came in better and continued to be so. Smith came in mediocre, highlight real offensive player and hasn’t gotten better. Thomas came in a bad offensive player with potential, and has gotten better. I think he’ll continue to do so.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that Smith hasn't gotten any better. In fact I think Smith has improved
just about every single year, and then he dropped off this year for whatever reason (I’m guessing injuries). And the numbers you cited showed just how similar AK47 and Josh Smith are. AK47 had a better TS% because he shot more 3s and shot them better at a better clip than JSmoove and got to the line a bit more. Tyrus gets to the line at a similar rate to Josh, hits a high percentage of threes, but doesn’t take nearly as many of them as either AK47 or Smith. Both of them have much higher AST% than Tyrus ever has. Tyrus is also a more explosive athlete than Kirilenko which makes me think of him more like Smith than Kirilenko.
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- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't shoot 3s like Smith
So that’s a start.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyger
You and I agree again. I’ve always seen the potential for pre injury AK47, maybe even with more athleticism….good defender, can dribble, can pass, can shoot, can block shots…..
He seems to be getting there.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im going to rec this
because i want people to realize how good tyrus is. accept it. and build altars to him in their living rooms. and sacrifice babies to that altar.
by mandoman10 on Feb 25, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah might not have the best offensive moves, but
he does know what he’s doing, and he does it fast. He has some good footwork; saying it was goofy, which reminds me of Ben Wallace’s constant shaking of hid body while posting up, doesn’t do him justice.
But his FTs are the ugliest thing I’ve seen in my life.
by NittanyCub on Feb 25, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
at least they hit the rim ;P
RIGHT SUPERMAN?
by Protocol on Feb 25, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this about Noah.
His game is improving on both ends and his free throw shooting looks more relaxed.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
noah should use his hair to his advantage
swing his head left and right and pretend to be looking for cutters but really just to use that bush behind his head to whack the defender in the face a few times.
by sin on Feb 25, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah's best attribute
is how quickly he catches the ball and dunks. It’s almost instantaneous. Gets it, goes up, dunks. If he ever adds just a fifteen foot jumpers and weight, he’ll be a hell of a player.
Goddamn it that shot is ugly, though. Help him brad!
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I love when he does that, he out flashes flash….
Now if he could just do it more often…
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
He’s learned that he doesn’t have the brute power to go through people. Now he just elevates so quickly that he’s dunking before the defense can gather itself. It’s nice to see him make an adjustment like that.
Just imagine if he had a reliable jumper from the high post. He’s already a terrific passer and ball handler for a big man. A jumper could set up his dribble drive, drawing slow footed big out to him. Between his drive, short jump shot, and finishing down low, he’d really be effective. (I think Scotter mentioned this at some point.)
Will he put in the work over the summer?
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah sure seems better
the shorter he holds the basketball. I love the catch and dunk attempts. Get it and flush it right away. The longer he holds the ball, particularly bringing it down to his waist, the greater the number of turnovers and weak shot attempts.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not counting on a jumper, ever.
he’s 24 (today!), so there’s not much development time left, and he needs A LOT to get any kind of real jumpshot.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even picture what his
jump shot form is since we never see it. Has he even shot more than a handful of jump shots as a Bull? I remember a few desperation shot clock expiration shots but those seemed to be more of a heave than a real jump shot. Maybe someone has caught him shooting before a game. I really can’t picture it like I can with other players.
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by cranscape on Feb 25, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If his free throw is any indication of his form...
That jump shot might be epic.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think i've seen him do it this season
but he did take a few jumpshots last year.
they are pretty much the most cringeworthy shots i’ve ever seen…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My best guess...
It probably looked like Cartwright’s… I loved watching that crazy baseline J.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's the kinda example I'm looking for!
Horrific form, but it went in. You can have that funky release if you’re shooting from close range, and in spots where you’re comfortable.
Oh my God. I just realized I became the Blogabull Apologist of Joakim Noah’s jumpshot.
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny,
but I don’t think it’s that awful in the sense that I still think he could be reliable from very close range. Yeah, I’d love him to shoot it like Ray Allen, but how hard is it to get down an elbow jump shot? Form is more important the further from the basket you shoot. Or so I hope.
I guess I don’t agree that he can’t get down a reliable 12-15 footer. He’s a good, coordinated athlete with superb hands. He needs to start taking it in games. And hopefully making it. :)
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said i didn't think he could get
a close range jumpshot good enough. however, his current jumpshot is horrendous.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And i wasn't disagreeing with you,
just trying to figure out what i mean, exactly. and yeah, that is one ugly looking shot.
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but yeah, what you say makes sense
the thing is, noah shoots from his chest, so he can really only do it when wide open. the man needs a lot of help.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Work on getting stronger, staying quick and refining everything else—passing, rebounding, finishing, help defending, ball-handling. If he gets a barely-consistent jump shot in the next four or five years, I’ll be happy.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Such a shame.
Who the hell “coached” this kid?
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He competed on basketball teams for several high schools...
… first at the United Nations International School (UNIS) in New York City. At UNIS he was coached by Alsonso Shockley, Harry Muniz and David Gartrelle…"
“…He also played in streetball tournaments and his nickname was "The Noble One” because someone heard that his dad was a pro tennis player. He later transferred to Poly Prep in Brooklyn, New York, where he was coached by Bill McNally, and then to The Lawrenceville School, outside of Princeton, New Jersey."
Then Florida, obviously.
From wikipedia.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
I thought you were his biographer for a minute.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax
Said recently he’d fine him if Noah didn’t workout this summer…I hope that helps.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching the game and I caught Noah saying something like
‘’come on TT’’ and then clapped. Tyrus kinda had a slow start. I just thought it was kinda cool. You don’t get to hear what they say to each other on the court.
That would be cool if like HBO did the games. You could just have everyone with a mic. What do they really say. Oh but Skiles would form a strike.
Then I would love to see like 360 camera angles. Like on NBA 2K9. You choose the camera angle and you could switch it when you please. Now I’m just getting ahead of myself.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 25, 2009 1:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
interactive tv, man
the wave of the future.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 25, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
those things exist
they had that online for allstar. it was like focused on different players and you could choose and stuff. bet you if we had mj still playing in this era there’d be those options available for every game.
by sin on Feb 25, 2009 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about that wire camera?
The NBA has used this. Didn’t I see it in the All Star game?
I thought was a cool angle to watch the game. It would nice to see some experimental footage of concepts for new viewing angles. The NFL’s wire camera is awesome. Forever now fans had been wanting a camera angle that shows the running lanes between the tackles and the guards. That hanging wire camera from the XFL produced those angles.
It seems like the NBA could develop something.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of the big plusses in drafting Noah.
He was the emotional leader of those Florida teams. People feed off of his energy. I think this contributes to his favorable +/- numbers.
by arjoseph on Feb 25, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i’m about to pass out but i just had to let out a Ric Flair-type ‘Wooooo!’ over this win.
man, now that sb is partnered with Yahoo, maybe they can get this mobile posting going for us iPhone users. it’d be easier to keep up with the discussions, like while out and about, or at work. Arg!!
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 25, 2009 1:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
if you have an iPhone you can post now
just click the link to full site version, altho its pretty clumsy and slow.
by reprisal on Feb 25, 2009 2:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i mean
i prefer reading the mobile version of the site on my phone just cause its usually smoother. now i want to be able to post as well. i’m posting on the full site version now, but thats because i’m in WiFi right now. if anyone with an iPhone knows a way to post on the site through mobile, maybe thru an RSS or something, let me know.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Rotations
A few interesting things about the rotations (not counting the 2:47 of garbage time at the end):
- It was a 3 guard rotation for the entire game: Rose – 35, Gordon – 35, Hinrich – 26. Its hard to argue with Hinrich getting that much burn in a 3-man rotation. Maybe you could tweak it slightly so its 38/38/20, but its pretty close to good
- Salmons got all of his time as the backup SF – there were always two other guards on the court with him.
- Noah got all his time at Center. There were some thoughts that you might see Miller and Noah on the court at the same time, but it didn’t happen.
Overall, this ended up being our depth chart:
PG – Rose, Hinrich
SG – Gordon, Hinrich
SF – Deng, Salmons
PF – Thomas, Thomas
C – Noah, Miller
I don’t think anyone would complain with that rotation, now Vinny just needs to adjust the minutes correctly (please, please, God).
--Torch
by torch on Feb 25, 2009 6:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
noah/miller
prob won’t happen much if tim is going to continue getting this many minutes.
however according to the box, noah was in for 24 and brad in for 20 – who got the other 4 minutes at C? i didn’t remember one of those guys not being out there.
and not only that, but kirk’s SG minutes need to be cut and get salmons a few more minutes there, although he got 27 min which isn’t too shabby. but luol’s not going to play 23 min a night every night. at least rose was controlling the ball while out there with hinrich this time.
i see it as something like this:
Rose – 35 / Hinrich – 13
Gordon – 35 / Salmons – 8 / Hinrich – 5
Deng – 33 / Salmons – 15
Tyrus – 32 / Tim – 16
Noah – 30 / Miller – 18
and not even this is ideal, but we all know that hinrich’s SG minutes won’t disappear.
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by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also let it be known
i’d do more adjusting than this, but i think this would be in the realm of “realistic” for vinny. MAYBE.
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by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I too want to see more minutes at the 2 for Salmons
We’re not in situations anymore where Thabo or Hughes is over at the 2 with Gordon manning the point for 12 minutes a night. Now it’s Salmons who is a threat to shoot, create his own shot, and beat his man off the dribble. Gordon can’t be double teamed as easily. Factor in Brad Miller at the high post and Gordon has a great passing big man to get out of the traps to set up more mismatches to feed Tyrus, Deng, and Thomas.
I want more minutes for Tyrus and as long as Salmons plays the 3 it will force Tim Thomas over to the 4 and Tyrus to the bench.
There will be games where we’ll need more minutes from Hinrich. In particulare, tonight’s game at New Jersey. Kirk’s going to draw the “make Devin shoot, but not in the paint” assignment.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point
Hinrich at the 2 is truly unnecessary, and it just causes dominoes to fall up the rotation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ideally i'd eliminate all of his minutes there
but the only reason i put any there is that i know it won’t happen.
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by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was going to disagree w/ you, but then I saw your caveat.
No way Kirk’s made into only a backup PG. Even still, I think Rose and Gordon will get a few minutes less each, w/ Hinrich getting both of their minutes.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rose at the off guard
the few minutes rose is in with kirk instead of ben, make rose the off guard….for the reason thus; Rose is just flat out offensively better than kirk. He can move without the ball fairly well. Something like having brad miller in and running a sort of a triangle offense, rose does like a give and go, kirk sets the screen for rose while miller waits for the play, if rose gets to the rim is wide open miller dishes for a layup (or DUNK!!) by rose, if the defense falls back to pick up rose kirk should step out in the perimeter (top left side seems to be where he is most accurate from) and can knock down the ’tre.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so now Kirk Hinrich is going to move the team's future out of position?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they run a tandem PG option offense...
Like the wildcat offense in football!
(I’m kidding btw)
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by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I told you they were in rare form today
…he didn’t even have a great game for goodness sakes!
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
yes his is…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 25, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VDN had T2
at center the last bit of the game….
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by bennythebull on Feb 25, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is to good of a player to be only getting 18 minutes a night
But that explains how good our depth is at every position. I wouldn’t mind playing Noah and Miller together.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, but i didn't want to shortchange noah too much
and before the larry hughes trade, the 3 man rotation would have been ty/noah/miller, and noah definitely would have gone to the 4 spot. but if vinny’s going to give tim 20 minutes a night, that won’t happen.
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by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny that T2
Who is double T, but was actually drafted 4th, is now filled with the Thomas 2.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny's Quote of the Day
‘I thought we had a good rhythm; Kirk [Hinrich] was doing an excellent job,’’ Del Negro said. ‘’We had good control, a nice lead. So I’m not going to break the rhythm of something to get somebody extra minutes. The job is to win the game. That was the decision I made. It worked out well.’’
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by morobb on Feb 25, 2009 7:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a man with a guilty conscience
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by bullhockey on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
Kirk was “excellent”?? What game was he watching? No, Kirk wasn’t “bad” per se, but he definitely wasn’t “excellent” either. He was just ok. He was there.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it kills me to read that quote from VDN
he doesn’t know basketball
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah VDN used a good rotation this game
I really dont mind Tim T getting some pt from tyrus THIS game. He was hitting his shots, and he’s a better matchup to shard. If he wasn’t doing both, give that pt to tyrus.
Noah didn’t play at the 4 since he couldn’t guard shard or Hedo and will no way score over them in the post on the other end.
I really want Kirk to be limited to 20mins unless he’s playing well. Otherwise, I’d like to see salmons at the 2 whan BG rest. It will give us a taller, better defensive team. This will really help our front court a lot not having to stop dribble penetration w/c results to TT and noah getting into foul trouble
by trig on Feb 25, 2009 7:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hinrich should only be playing point guard
and absolutely know time at the SG spot
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Thomas talked on defense!
Maybe he’s a low talker, but I had never heard him talk on defense before. He was actually communicating with Rose to cover his blind side.
Good to see Tim getting good minutes, producing, and mixing it up with his new teammates.
I love our bench now. This 9 man rotation is special.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 7:38 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tim Thomas and Vinny must be
Very good friends (playing together and all) as Tim Thomas played the best stretch of his entire career for the Suns before getting his second nice contract (he was looking amazing in the playoffs against Dirk and the Mavs, and Vinny was a friend in the back office) and now these 2 games, Tim Thomas has given us a nice spark.
Hope it continues as he’s always been like Hughes I guess before him, a very talented player who just never seemed to try. Hughes I think is a talented individual player who tried to take over a game in a role he can’t do, whereas Thomas was a talented guy who just seemed to take off nights and whole seasons…..and now as an aging veteran, he’s moved again and is looking decent….
2 games though, but he seemed like you said to be trying and communicating on both ends……nice to see.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Hate to Say It
but Tim Thomas may turn out to be the steal of this trade.
by Cannoli on Feb 25, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Getting someone to take, and play, Larry Hughes
is the steal of this trade. :)
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Have to agree--
With a good attitude, he can be a great contributor.
Plus, on paper, he’s always been projected to be a good NBA player. I think I read an interview with his coach at ‘Nova where his coach was saying that there was nothing that Tim Thomas couldn’t do on a basketball court, so physical ability was never an issue; things like drive and attitude and mental approach were.
He’s actually a really big guy; I’d be curious to see if he could respond if Vinny said “Go guard Emeka Okafor (or Paul Millsap, or Carlos Boozer, etc.) down low. Be physical and aggressive.” I mean, would he respond? Would he do a reasonable job? Would he show interest at all? The guy’s 6’10 and really mobile, so again, on paper, it seems he should be able to do this…
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by bullhockey on Feb 25, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no he wouldn't
just play him a couple 6 minute stints a game. If he makes 3-pointers: awesome.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.. Yeah, I guess that old dog
isn’t learning new tricks. That old dog is lazy and uninterested, except for hitting some long jumpers once in a while.
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by bullhockey on Feb 25, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if it was a contract year...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine with me
as long as he isn’t making Nocioni-type decisions
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am also hoping
that the reasoning for some of the extra minutes for the bench players coincides with the 4 games in 5 night stretch this weak. Unfortunately, with Vinny I wouldn’t be suprised if that wasn’t the case
by Rye29 on Feb 25, 2009 7:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ouch! The NBA.com highlights were not favorable to Hinrich.
Absolutely foolish-lookin’ on a couple of plays.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I counted 3 plays where Hinrich got burned just in 2 minutes of highlights (most of which were Bulls
highlights). It seemed like almost every Magic highlight involved Kirk getting beat off the dribble, with the lone exception of an AJ three pointer where Derrick went under a screen and left him wide open. Not a good night on the defensive end for Kirk, despite his solid play in the fourth.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 25, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perception becomes reality, and that is a problem.
In this case, the perception is that Kirk is a good on-the-ball defender, despite the growing notion that he has trouble with smaller, quicker guards such as TJ Ford. But because that perception is out there that Kirk’s a good on-the-ball defender, Vinnie goes with the “safe” plan of sticking him in there for his defense.
I mean, defense and hussle are what got Noc a big contract too, and look where it landed him.
I guess I’m just echoing the majority opinion on here that Vinnie needs to give Rose the opportunity to improve his defense on guys like Ford. My guess is that Rose has better lateral quickness for starters anyway.
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by bullhockey on Feb 25, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post (rec) - I'm thrilled with this game
You captured most of my reasons for smiling today. Brad Miller coming off the bench instead of Gray is an enormous upgrade. Tim Thomas is turning around my skepticism. We are incredibly deep. When TT takes a jumper I’m now glad verses cringing. Rose’s jump shot , which was suposed to be his achilli’s heel is great. Please, please let’s play two straight games like we did last night and win a big one tonight.
by chgobr on Feb 25, 2009 8:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gary Payton apparently still has resentment towards this organization
After they showed the game’s highlights on NBA TV last night, Payton said he’d parachute from the top of the arena if the Bulls made the playoffs. Looked disgusted when Webber insisted that the Sacramento trade actually helped the team.
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by snley on Feb 25, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What I found interesting is that
Stan Van Gundy seemed intent on packing the lane against Rose, and we therefore saw very few ankle-breaking drives. But what he didn’t plan for was Rose taking what they gave him and hitting that mid-range jumper with ease.
And unlike the Pacers game, Vinny actually left Rose out there long enough to consistently make that outside jumper.
It seemed that the Magic scouting report must’ve been to prevent all the Bulls from driving, and dare all the Bulls to shoot, because the new guys in particular (as pointed out by Stacey King and as pointed out above) were standing and shooting with the Magic player standing there too.
It’ll be interesting to see how the league adjusts to the better than average ability of these Bulls to consistently knock down outside shots.
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by bullhockey on Feb 25, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well to SVG's defense
He knows outside of Howard nobody really is a great defender, and Rose is so speedy quick that he’s too quick for Howard, should Howard step up on him to cover by the FT line…..so he wanted to force Rose to beat him with really his only somewhat weakness of offense the jump shot…..
Thankfully ROse has improved there dramatically.
Orlando’s SF’s and PF’s are nice shooters, but not really defenders…..they hoped Pietrus could help a bit with his defense, but found out that it wasn’t just Nelson that forced him on the bench, he just wasn’t all that good….
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pietrus has also been injured a bunch
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by Jaina on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That should say a bit more to what I was saying.
He’s hurt quite a bit and isn’t really very good either.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sure did appear the game plan early was to shoot the shots that the Magic would give us
And we made them.
I liked that early on. Rose came right out with the high screen, did not penetrate, and pulled up for jumpers. He took 11 shots in the first half and made only 4, but the shots were good looks that would force adjustment from the Magic.
In the 3rd quarter Rose took 9 shots and made 7. This is where the Magic started to fall apart. They got up 24 shots to our 19, but 10 of those attempts for three pointers. If they make those shots they’re in the game with a lead. Missing them put them behind with their bench about to enter and Howard to get his regular rest.
Open the 4th quarter and we started pouring it on. We drew 9 fouls as Turkoglu and Lewis decided to start reaching on everything. We go to line and hit 11 of 12. This punishes confidence especially on the road. I thought Van Gundy was going to throw himself on the court when Rose picked up that rebound at the Bulls FT line by slashing through all 5 Magic players that just watched the ball.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great win
I was pleased with everyone’s performance for the most part. I really liked Brad’s defense on Howard, which involved disrupting him before he caught the ball in the low post, causing him to be out of rythym a lot. That fucker travels and elbows the shit all over the place too, and maybe gets it called on him 1-4 times.
But lets not get TOO high on this win…the Magic live and die by the 3 for the most part, and last night went 9-26. A few more of those go in and we’re still bitching about Vinny playing the bench players way too much, which he’s still doing.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 25, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
difference being
our current bench is actually decent (dare I say "good"). Our old bench (with Noc and Thabo leading the way) sucked.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to go to far
But, what team has a better bench than Brad Miller, John Salmons, Tim Thomas, and Kirk Hinrich?
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back to backs
It certainly was odd watching Deng and Rose enter the game with 3 minutes remaining while up double digits as Van Gundy empties his bench.
But I understood the moves.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you understood them, what was odd about them?
And please explain since most of us don’t understand it. I’m being serious.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 25, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why do you understand these moves?
Mine as well give these guys some rest. Deng almost missed last nights game because of a thumb injury(i believe). So, why was he playing at the end? Vinny should’ve put in Roberson to see what he could do and the usual gray and hunter.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
35% to 39% isn't too materially different
they weren’t bad on the 3 shot….hell they hit 1 of those makes and they’re essentially at their team average….
it’s not like they shot 3-26.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all else being equal
they would have had to hit 60% of their 3s to even the overall score.
That doesn’t even account for instances where their missed 3s lead to second chance 2s – a situation where hitting the three would have only netted them 1 point, not 3.
--Torch
by torch on Feb 25, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's their game
They shoot a lot of 3’s and they weren’t immaterially off their norm….
Missed 3’s often lead to quick scores ont he other end, unless you have Troy freaking Murphy who has learned to excel in grabbing boards in that kind of system…
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree
That we shouldn’t get too excited about this one. The Magic missed a few threes and the Bulls shot very well. Theer will likely be some nights where the Bulls aren’t hitting so many jumpers and will need to turn to the post… which there still is a void here.
I guess it is good, however, that Salmons doesn’t shy away from driving to the hoop and BG has been doing a lot more of that this season (and not drawing fouls for some reason)… and of course Rose doing the same.
I just wish Tyrus/Miller/Noah had a few more back-to-the basket moves that weren’t so awkward and inconsistent, cause good shooting nights affecting the whole team don’t happen every night (unfortunately).
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by BCs71 on Feb 25, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a game!
Derrick and TT just continue to impress!
Opening Day 2009 can't come soon enough!
by TyCubsfan on Feb 25, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
What has happened to Tyrus’s rebounding numbers the last couple of games though?
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 25, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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