Who will be our new "Duhon" or "Nocioni" hated player post trade?
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST
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I know Matt hates Polls but screw it, who do you think will be the 2nd half of this year and next year's new Duhon or Nocioni (most irrationally hated, and unfortunately sometimes rationally hated (poor Noc) Bulls player post trade). I guess you'd have to think they'll be here for the rest of this year AND at least next year....
Here's my takes of the top 5 and why (not in any order really):
1) Kirk Hinrich--easy, makes too much cha-ch$ng, while he's been a good soldier for us in the past, he was pretty damn bad last year, and now has been replaced by a far better (especially with future projections) Rose, whom he's stealing time from. Will he be here after this summer? I guess he can since he's still inexplicably here after last summer... I like Kirk though, he's too $$.
2) Luol Deng--with Nocioni and Duhon (God I hate Duh still) out of the picture to hate on, and Hinrich perhaps one foot out the door this summer (speculative), not to mention the injury woes, the new competition at the SF spot from Salmons, the money tied into him and the fact that that money seems to cause the can't sign Gordon blues.....will folks start hating Deng? Me I don't know, I'm upset with the injuries, but hate? I am not sure, Deng's decent, not great....
3) Ben Gordon. Folks irrationally hate him anyway, so why not put him up here....especially if he gets trigger happy if say VDN cuts his time going forward in favor of Salmons....BG has to have his eyes on the prize (new contract) and this is his final audition.....who knows.
4) John Salmons.....he's having a career year, but was it the system, or did he just finally get it? Might folks get on him for playing in lieu of Lu-yawn? What if he reverts? Me, I like him though I haven't watched him more than a handful of games, and I thought he looked nice on the court at Indy, esp not knowing the teammates or system....
5) Brad Miller. I loved him as a player in 2000-2002 or whenver he was here last. I like his passing and D and just smart play, but if he starts playing and cutting into Noah's time and plays like the slow white Oaf he is, who knows....I like the signing though.
6) Aaron Gray. Seriously if he plays, he wins this for me. I just presume his Bulls playing days are pretty much over with with Noah and Tyrus and Miller on board....but I'm not VDN.
7) Joakim Noah. Irrationally hated accross the globe thanks to the bad stint to start this year, the winning in college, the crazy hair, and well the clown outfit on draft night.....wonder if something leaks that he was the vital piece of the puzzle included in a failed Amar'e package (Pax didn't want to part, hoping he'd add the D to the team) and folks hate him for it?
8) Tyrus Thomas.....if he reverts back to his early season woes, I guess there's a chance of it, but folks would be dumb to hate on him, our best pure athlete with upside as high as Rose (though Rose has a far better IQ and likelihood of reaching those highs). Still....like Noah he might be seen as a clog in either the Amare or Bosh failed trades...
9) Other. And if anyone says D. Rose they are morons. I guess you could put VDN here, but I was trying to focus on the players.....
The site is slow today....thought this would be a nice bitching session...
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Loul Deng and Kirk Hinrich
should be the next to be moved.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 24, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess
There are just so many options, I meant to pick top 5, and voila came up with 8…
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love T2 though
and I think Noah and BG and Salmons and hell Miller will turn out alright.
Frankly the only player I don’t want to see on the court anymore is Gray (can’t defend at all)….
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, we don't have one.
And as far as “hated,” I don’t know if that applies to either Duhon or Noc. Both had large numbers of detractors, but they also had supporters, and both guys, despite their failings, also did some good things for the team.
“Hated” really only applied to Larry Hughes. Maybe the Corpse in his last year with us. And I don’t see any of those guys on the roster anymore (depending on how Tim Thomas behaves, and he’s not in your poll).
by arjoseph on Feb 24, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW
I’m being faceitous in my comment with “hated”…..I guess most disliked.
I don’t see a Corpse on this team either…but there is no doubt BaBers are going to be screaming bloody murder about 2-4 of these guys in the next 6-18 months.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
In which case I see no reason to deviate from Hinrich/Gordon. That’s going to be the vituperative debate until well past the end of the offseason.
by arjoseph on Feb 24, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hinrich for sure
especially if he remains ice cold and doesn’t get traded this summer.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 24, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I should have waited to post this after a nice Hinrich game….following the bad Hinrich game, yuck.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would matter much at this point
There have been plenty of games where he’s shot over 40% and people still talk about him being a horrible shooter. It’s a can’t win situation – if he plays people will be pissed that he’s taking minutes from Derrick, but the less he plays the more people will gripe about how much he makes.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 24, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a less expensive bench ornament
than hughes… :P
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by Jaina on Feb 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(per year, at least)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 24, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Larry had both the out of sight, out of mind and expiring contract
elements working in his favor – it’s like people “hated” him, but at the same time couldn’t really work up enough energy to complain about him like they do Kirk.
I’ll be relieved when Kirk goes to a new team, honestly, because I really don’t enjoy BaB much when it’s a near-constant “trash Kirk” fest (or trash any player, for that matter, although I’ve had my few I didn’t care for). I fear the best he can hope for the rest of the season is playing well enough that people feel optimistic about his trade value – but that’s just one big circular argument back into the taking minutes from Derrick argument.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was kinda saying it in the context of griping about benching him
cause of the money he makes.
believe me, i get tired of all the ragging too. i’ll be glad when he goes, too. he deserves to go to a team that needs him.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 24, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Undoubtedly will be Kirk, with some competition from Lu
It’s not just the big contracts and, in Kirk’s case playing in front of a new kid, it’s the whole familiarity breeds contempt thing. If they play well, it’s only what they were expected to do when signing the extensions – and meanwhile, all flaws are emphasized by the long history of watching for them. Even a great game here or there isn’t seen as a sign of potential because of their years in the league, but just reemphasizes that they don’t play that way all the time. And to top it all off, neither has an explosive, highlight reel game, and steady just isn’t sexy.
These are forgivable offenses for a guy on his rookie contract, but not a guy once he has signed that first big extension.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 24, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
Gordon and Hinrich have to go. Period.
by TheBastid on Feb 24, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can I go off the board and say Vinny?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I only say that
because I think most fans will start to really resent Kirk, but I don’t think it will be his fault. Vinny will probably overuse him as we creep closer to the end of the season and he gets nervous about missing the playoffs.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Recced,
for truth.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 25, 2009 4:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind polls as much if they're actually tied to something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is tied
To future BaB ire. So that’s tied to something :).
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that was my point.
Though it’s framed like this ‘hate’ is irrational. Duh and Noc hurt the team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Semantics, semantics
Folks will say the same likely about Big Aaron if he plays in lieu of Miller, or just plays….
Or Kirk (cuz he takes time from Rose)
Or Ben (Cuz it doesn’t look like he’s part of our future)
Or Luol (cuz he makes a ton of money…)
etc etc.
Yeah Hate’s not true, the only one’s I’ve truly hated were Larry un-legend (though I did like the fact that his contract was expiring and unlike Wallace he might have been tradable (and was, for crap, but at least Thomas can shoot a bit in spot minutes, Wallace would have just been a drain)…..and Chris Duhon, who I just couldn’t wait to see go.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted
Gray by the way and am happy to say it. I know I shouldn’t because comparitively he makes next to nothing and tries hard….but if he plays, and I think he will still, he just kills our team with the abysmal defense…..and he’s not necessary except in the "hack fouls against D. Howard) game, and there are few Howards out there (Howard and Yao is about it, maybe Shaq still, but I think teams now are more effective just running against a Shaq team and driving towards him)….so I don’t know if I can count Gray there…
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Gray should have played last night,
after SVG conceded the game by sitting D. Howard et al in the final minutes.
But as long as Miller and Noah are both healthy and not in foul trouble, Gray should only play in garbage time.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 4:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage time is fine.....
That’s it though unless extreme foul conditions with Noah and Miller.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If u dont like polls
why have it structured in this blog?
Just sayin..
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
by Belize on Feb 24, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure it's a SBN function...
and is definitely not exclusive to this blog.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 24, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson ... he played basketball...
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
with that logic
VInny- I really dont like Luol Deng but i find myself swearing under my breath at Vinny benching Derrick at odd times more than I do when Deng puts the ball on the floor and gets stripped.
by Jscho316 on Feb 24, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons
I don’t know… too early to tell.
But I have a feeling he will steal minutes away, be one of the contributing factors BG leaves, and if production ever dips from him (i.e., never lives up to Paxson’s hype of a defender and doesn’t produce any offensive numbers like he did early this season as a Sactown member)…
I see him being the dark horse in this whole situation of guys ‘most likely to be spited’. Just later as opposed to sooner.
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by BCs71 on Feb 24, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How is Hinrich now 100%?
Anytime he’s out there, it probably means our best player is on the bench, and that is not helping the team at all.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not*
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rose can't play 48 min a night
so that logic is skewed. but i voted for hinrich so i’m clearly in agreement with you that much. :)
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by Jaina on Feb 24, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
For me he doesn’t hurt the team nearly as much as Aaron Gray will. And Kirk can sub to give defense for BG…..
I think Kirk’s fine, and am in the minority, but I also am under the impression he’ll be traded this summer……so that helps with the glut his contract has been on our cap given how awesome Rose is.
I think if we didn’t win that lottery last year we’d be happy with Kirk.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.. we'd be upset with the whole bunch! including Paxson, VDN... maybe Ben & Tyrus the only exclusions?
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
B.S.
Folks would put the blame on BG, Paxson, VDN and Deng more so if we didn’t have Rose. Kirk’s a solid PG, not a great PG, but if we didn’t have Rose, with Kirk’s declining salary, we’d be happy with him in my book. As a starter now he’d live up to that salary, compared to others in the league….
But seeing as we dont’ need him with Rose, his salary’s a killer.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'd have to play better too.
Kirk is not having a good season. He didn’t have one last season. The team would be in deep shit if he was the starting PG and not Rose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
I think maybe they would given his injury, but it’s a lot harder to put up good numbers in inconsistent minutes….it also can be much easier to put up consistent numbers in inconsistent minutes.
Kirk is playing decently besides a few games here given weird patterns of play and new teammates, etc, his defense is fairly solid still, even on games where he hasn’t been super sharp throughout the game, he’s done little things—ball hawk pressure, running in front of guys to disrupt easy layups (Nuggetts game twice and last game)…..he is distributing the ball well, and while the shot ain’t falling, it’s not like he’s had the most consistent time to get a flow.
I think he’s played fairly well in his role, and I think we’re going to have to disagree.
i will agree that he was godawful last year, and as I mentioned in the past I think his 13 whatever PER was misleading, as he was in the 8-9’s likely through mid to late Dec when our team needed him the most.
I don’t know what that was all about, but Kirk as a PG is suffering in numbers much as Rose is suffering in numbers….Rose’s PER is good at 16.5, but we all know he’s far more effective than that on more often than not occasions, the PG spot suffers more from teammate collapses, from inconsistent time, and from inconsistent characters of players around them.
Kirk’s added a strength to this team in terms of depth at the PG and SG spots. Is he perfect? Hell no, but he’s an effective starter in this league.
Without Derrick we might be shit out of luck this year because Kirk went down with injury and we would ahve likely seen a Gordon/Hunter at the PG spot….but overall I think Kirk is playing ok, and doing far more little things to supplement the bad games.
Do we need him? No….but since we still have him, he’s effective enough to play at this level and better than Hunter and plays well enough in spots to run a nice 2 guard lineup with Rose….
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson is a lunatic .... read on ..
In today’s Sun-Times in an article about Salmons.. Paxson is quoted as saying in regards to Salmons ..
“He’s a guy that has had to earn his way as a player. I kind of like those guys. The guys who’ve had to really earn it and push themselves and weren’t label a great player right out of college, those guys get it”
This is lunacy … Kirk and Deng never earned anything and Kirk was basically crowned the captain on the team nearly straight out of college by Paxson himself, Luol basically follows the same path.. Any competition at either of their positions was never given any merit. (Duhon was not much worst than Kirk, Du did some things better, and Kirk scored more… yet Kirk’s frequency of scoring is nothing to get excited about?)
This above description also sounds similiar to Gordon (consistently pushed to the bench and continues to justify his minutes on the floor), but Paxson awards big contracts to Kirk and Deng, and leaves these type of guys high and dry with only words
Paxson with a nice guy persona, is really is a Lunatic, and shows no signs of being different….
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that was a pretty damning quote
no need for natural talent, no sir…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his endearly legacy..."grit and hustle"
“wallace” rather than “bosh”, “tyrus” rather than “roy”, “hinrich” rather than “gordon”
.. but I like Tyrus .. he’ll be ok!
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my argument on that
kirk exceeded his abilities in his rookie year, right from the get go. In the playoffs in his sophmore season he went ballistic, not just a single game but pretty much the whole series against the wizards. The next year he began drawing comparisons to steve nash a bit, while also playing good enough defense to be put on one of the all defensive teams. No one thought his game would translate well enough into the nba (much like his counter part nick collison) however he proved to be a guy who is easily a starter on a bunch of good nba teams, and at least for the first couple years of his career was often ranked as a top 15 guard with the potential to go higher. So thats how kirk went from being a no name and proved himself to the team got his contract (which was considered generous at the time) and got so much respect from the organization.
Deng had one good year, but it was also his only real healthy year, and it was also when he put up numbers that borderlined all-star (and had many calling him one of the best sfs in the league) and also was a big reason why we beat the crap out of miami. That year wasnt a bunch of random games, but it was from game 1-82 deng was putting up insane numbers at insance efficiency….the years before that he gradually did get better and better the more he played and the less he was injured. last year was thought to be a wierd year for deng, so thats why no one hesitated (and many fans were fine with) when deng got his contract…..maybe now in hindsight we question if two years ago wasnt the odd year, but until the begining fo this year, everyone accpeted deng as our star player and he earned his respect from the organization and the fans.
Both deng and hinrich, before last year, were very much loved by the fans of chicago. Gordon was also part of that mix making up the core, all three were loved by the fans and the organization. Hinrich got his contract easily because he was pretty much alone in his negotiations no other contract was as important. Deng adn gordon got thier contracts together, and everyone rathered deng get his moola because deng seemed to possess and all around game and efficient scoring, while gordon seemed one dimensional, plus there was that crappy noch signing.
I dont know if its because you really didnt follow the bulls until after they got to the second round of the playoffs, or if you are just blinded now by hate for members of the team, but these players werent always dissapointing…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk really wasn't a no-name
he was the 7th pick in possibly the best draft class ever. That 2003 class is pretty special and for Kirk to be picked 7th in the 1st round shows he had some talent. I would say Kirk did was expected of him early on in his career by leading the team with energy, defense and playmaking. Once he got that big contract he became a different player. He no longer played with any sort of consintency and also struggled on D. He was forced to guard the bigger sg’s since the team didn’t trust BG to guard his own postiion. Kirk couldn’t hit an open shot and that was the biggest problem with his game IMO.
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by tyrus4prez on Feb 24, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
Was supposed to be either TJ Ford, or Mikael Pietrus….Kirk Hinrich’s name was more of a wild card.
True Kirk wasn’t an unkown—taking Kansas to the national title game, and annihilated Dwyane Wade and the Golden Eagles single handilly by themselves in the final four showdown, but Kirk wasn’t projected to go quite as high as he did.
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's the point
it shouldn’t be whether they earned it or not, but if they’re better.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how to determine if they're starters in the NBA? or in the top 10 in their given positions in the NBA and over what time duration
to make this determination?
It might be justified that Deng is better than Noc, but over a good measuable period of time does Deng justify his 72 million contract based on comparisons among SF in the league?
Can Deng (or Kirk) inconsistent production be replaced with a Caron Butler, Salmons at a cheaper rate since their not 1 or 2nd options or for that matter 3rd?
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my take was exault
was arguing paxsons quote;
bq. He’s a guy that has had to earn his way as a player. I kind of like those guys. The guys who’ve had to really earn it and push themselves and weren’t label a great player right out of college, those guys get it"
and exault thought this
bq.This is lunacy … Kirk and Deng never earned anything and Kirk was basically crowned the captain on the team nearly straight out of college by Paxson himself, Luol basically follows the same path..
so i was arguing what exault was saying was actually wrong, kirk and deng did earn that love the organization gives them. Not saying they were wrong though for giving that love, cuz in hindsight we realize that at least hinrich for sure isnt going to be much better than he is now. Not saying that teams should expect crap games like the pacer game from hinrich on a regular, like ive said hinrichs true norm is actually the denver game…but yea players should be signed on the terms of who is better rather than who works harder….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true...
At the time when Hinrich was crowned captain he was a solid player. Who knew he would digress like this? Hindsight is 20/20
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 24, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree much with you
But, it’s amazing what one can do when the GM/Coach give you freedom straight out of college to do whatever you desire and mold your game in what ever you can envision, and mgmt will move any player(s) who would threaten your minutes(Crawford, next Gordon, later possibly Derrick Rose) or luxury to believe “Paxson’s” hype concerning you.
Well.. Kirk was beginning to believe it himself and it elevated his game for a while. He really was looking confident for some periods during that time. I’d wish he kept believing it…
Well.. Kirk was beginning to believe it himself and it elevated his game for a while. He really was looking confident for some periods during that time. I’d wish he kept believing it…Then reality started to set in, Gordon keep scoring, improving a bit here and there, and winning games. Also Kirk playing for the Olympic squard and not being able to cut it at that level without Paxson feeding him ego vitamins during the summer away from chicago.
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 24, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
i think id agree that kirk doesnt have the mentality (confidence included in that) to be a star player, but the organization really kind of payed him and gave him this role of being a star player…kirk isnt a bad player or a cancer of any sort but you could see how hes torn, in order to remain with teh bulls he has to play like that star player paxson thought he was going to be, but the truth is….he isnt…..and he probably knows that deep inside….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with complimenting Salmons is that...
Some (ie: you) will percieve it as a dis to the other players he did not mention.
What if he had just said “I like John Salmons, he was drafted 26th by the Spurs, didn’t fit their system, was traded around a bit, and finally got to play some minutes and earn his way into the NBA”?
Would that still be “lunacy”?
Relax, we don’t have to hate EVERYTHING Pax does and says.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 24, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe sorry but...
Here’s my takes of the top 5 and why (not in any order really):
not only are they not in order, there are more than 5… ;)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I commented on that somewhere else here…..
Frankly after yesterday I’m ready to go all “summer of love” on this crew, man we looked like we had no flaws….I know it helps when we hit shots like that, but TIM THOMAS again was a real spark….wonder what he could have done 3 years earlier for us….
by majoyenrac on Feb 25, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Gray (hopefully) is not going to play major minutes now that Miller is here
Hinrich could be that guy. I suppose that, sometimes, BG can also make people mad, especially if he makes a selfish play, but Hinrich is not that great of a scorer. So… I don’t know. Could be other. Maybe Tim Thomas will end to be that guy. But I voted Hinrich
by bull83 on Feb 24, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vinny Del Negro will be Duhon, Nocioni, Eddie Robinson, Marcus Fizer, and fucking Brad Sellers combined into one
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 24, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Woah...
Brad Sellers too?
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 24, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sellers did start in front of Pippen. :(
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 5:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that true?
It’s been so long I can’t remember… That is criminal though.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Sellers started 76 games,
to none for Pippen in 87-88.
Next year Sellers started 25 games and Pippen started 56.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pippen probably had to
“earn his time”….and the Bulls wanted to play the guys who “play the hardest, bring it every night”, and thus sit the 2nd most talented player this team has ever had in it’s history while he got used to the NBA game….
by majoyenrac on Feb 26, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about the underachieving Stacey King?
Vinny Del Negro will be Duhon, Nocioni, Eddie Robinson, Marcus Fizer, and fucking Brad Sellers combined into one
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 25, 2009 5:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im going with Deng
Salmons is a better scorer attacking the rim creating his own shot (something deng cant really do at all) and better defender and way better 3 point shooter and has a way better contract…is almost as tall…yet can defend SG’s. even if you believe deng is better at any of these things or all of them, deng’s contract is still awful.
Worst part is deng was chosen over Gordon this past summer. Neither deserve 11-12 million per year but if you give it to one of them, you give it to Gordon…just maybe over 3 years instead of 6. deng would have been easy to trade last year or the year before. A player like salmons is always available for mle money and is better than deng. Raja Bell was John Salmons 4-5 years ago. Thabo Sefolosha will prolly figure things out in th enext 4-5 years and be there for the mle then. you should never offer the farm unless a player is truly unique. and eventhough 12 million average salary was not the max is was close enough.
Kirk Hinrich actually plays game changing defense. he makes crucial stops on the floor and can run an NBA offense. he is not overpaid and very tradeable. prolly worth more than Deng on the open market.
by SD20 on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents is duhon
should never ahve been hated.
-2nd round pick.
-was a better PG than Kirk save jump shooting which kirk was better at and Duhon is now better at from behind the arc.
-cheap contract
-Bulls best records were with him playing 25mpg plus at PG
-proving in NY that he is a good PG…i mean if pace adjusted police slow their row for a sec they will see that here’s a guy averaging 8 apg and shooting 40% from beyond the arc on team that has traded away almost every single starter within a 3 month period yet still almost .500
This team has major holes on it and major cancer players yet Du and Pringles are holding it down.
by SD20 on Feb 27, 2009 4:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could vote for Hinrich 40 more times
after ‘runningman’ just tried to convince me that Rose should be benched for Kirk when Kirk’s playing well because Jerry Sloan benched Deron Williams.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 27, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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