Pacers 98, Bulls 91: Forgot to trade Vinny
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2009 8:36 PM CST
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This is the difference when the Bulls coach actually has to coach: In a game on Friday where the Bulls only had 8 available players, they won handily against a very good Denver Nuggets team. On Sunday afternoon(hangovers can explain a lot of what happened today) Vinny had all sorts of shiny new toys (and some old ones), and they lose to a mediocre team that was without their best player.
Kirk Hinrich was soul-suckingly bad, and Vinny kept going to him. His franchise player is at the same position, but that is of no matter apparently, playing 23 minutes to Rose's 28. And the worst part was that even though Kirk was not hitting shots or running the team well (while I don't think his motives are quite this malicious, he was freezing out Gordon in the 3rd...why Hinrich entered the game 2 minutes into the 3rd period in the first place...), Vinny went to him for defense, and his defense stunk too. This is not news: while Kirk is a good defender for his position he struggles against quick guards, and TJ Ford is one of the quickest in the league. So why have Kirk out there in a position to not even help in the matter he can most, while enduring his faults on the other end?
Though it shouldn't even be broken down: Rose should rarely (maybe never) be pulled for performance. Let him play. It's been a pain for this franchise to not let their young bigs play through mistakes, but you'd think those problems wouldn't extend to the franchise-saving #1 overall pick.
It wasn't even as much the overall minutes as when the substitutions happened, especially in the 4th quarter. I had thought that with Tyrus replacing Salmons at the 7:44 mark and all five starters on the floor, they'd be out to close the game, and were only down 2 at the time. It only lasted 3 minutes, still with a 2-point deficit, and then captain (of the U.S.S. Suckage) Kirk Hinrich entered the game. A minute later (still only down 3) Vinny then takes out Thomas and Noah for Miller and Salmons.
Why???? There's 3 minutes left at this point and you now have in three players off the bench, two of which are playing their first game for you. And this young frontcourt has been playing very well for months, and you need them to make the playoffs (and beyond if you have a, perish the thought, long term view), and they're getting yanked out of a close game late for 'veterans'.
This stabilizing veteran force manages to actually extend the deficit to 5, now with only 1:23 remaining. Rose and Thomas are back in, Salmons commits a TO that leads to a dunk, and the game is effectively over.
It's not only substitutions (though that's the most worrisome thing given that we're talking about Derrick Rose being sat in 4th quarters for Kirk Hinrich), but also the odd defensive strategy so switch screens all game, allowing the Pacers to have a mismatch (usually using Troy Murphy) on nearly every posession. Except when the Pacers didn't employ a screen, and TJ Ford just blew by Hinrich without any help.
Good news though was that the new additions all played decently, even Tim Thomas in his 8 minutes (proving at least he's not going to be 'Tim Thomased' like, um, he was before). Brad Miller missed some shots he'll usually make, and played the pick/pop with Rose on one play that worked just like I had dreamt it would, and had 11 rebounds in under 20 minutes. John Salmons had an efficient game from the floor and it was very nice not dreading Nocioni entering the contest.
But should I even be excited for new arrivals if it just gives Vinny more ways to screw up? (I'll answer it: yes. The talent does look a lot better post-deadline) His one fallback was at least he was playing Derrick Rose a lot, and letting him stay on the court even through mistakes and poor defense. And Rose wasn't good today. But he shouldn't be benched for it, especially not for a guy who's playing even worse.
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Blech... I actually went to this game
And that wasn’t what I wanted to see. Jeez, that was disheartening. I’ll just summarize:
The Good
- Ben Gordon. Couldn’t miss a shot in the first half. Comes out and gets more or less completely ignored in the third quarter, and then takes a seat for the rest of it. Comes back into a desperate situation ice cold in the forth. Damn. A shot at the end might have been ill-advised, but the outcome was decided and the situation was pretty messed up. My only real criticism is he didn’t look to drive at all. All in all, he’s the least of our worries, except that he’s good as gone. Which ought to be the most of our worries.
- Brad Miller didn’t shoot well, but he immediately delivered two of the hardest fouls the Bulls have laid since Antonio Davis was on board.
- Noah… despite one completely silly play in which he attempted a Hakeem Olajuwan style isolation back down and failed miserably (looked like a called play though), he rebounded and played defense.
The Bad
- Derrick Rose looks like he’s in a funk of some sort. Didn’t take it to the hoop. Made adept passes, and didn’t do anything eye openingly stupid, but didn’t show off much of his specialness at all.
- Tim Thomas notably walking away from a huddle at then end of the first half… shows where his head’s at.
- Deng. Didn’t have a very good game. Didn’t control Marquis Daniels (oh how I’d prefer him to John Salmons), and was a seriously ugly 2-6 from the line. Disturbingly and loudly clanking them short. Ick.
The Ugly
- Kirk Hinrich… brought in, I guess, for his defense, with VDN administering a shaming yank of Rose 2 minutes into the third… Kirk proceeded to let TJ Ford completely abuse him. He also pretty fully ignored Gordon for the next few minutes despite Ben having shot 99 for 100 in the first half. And he wasn’t exactly finding anyone else.
- Vinnie… where to begin. Kirk coming in for Rose at inopportune moments. Sitting the hot hand (Gordon). Not recognizing that Kirk never guards quick PGs worth a damn. Playing Tim Thomas at all. Having a teaching moment (close game with time to run a set play at the half) and not having Rose in the game… in fact Rose was sitting at the end of the bench with TT not in the huddle for a minute. Shudder. Having the team stand around while he figures out what he wants to tell them in dead ball situations.
Can’t work up the energy
- Tyrus. The usual mix of spectacular and dreadful plays. Where did he go as a rebounder?
- Salmons. Drew Gooden if Drew Gooden was a SF with a shittier contract. Right down to the goofy beard.
- From my seat, perched in the first row of the upper deck at center court, I had a bird’s eye view of Chuck Swirsky’s shiny head and Bill Wennington who was sporting a sheet a pre-written dialog (I seriously doubt he’s the only color guy to do this… it’s not a rip on him) and his ipod.
- The guy with the really nasty ass gold tooth who sold me the ticket.
by Sports2 on Feb 22, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
re: the Noah isolation
my favorite part about that possession was that Noah does that with Rose, Gordon, Salmons and Tim Thomas on the court with him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the icing on that cake
not one of them was even remotely in position to receive a pass from him either
by reprisal on Feb 22, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Rose was at the end of the bench while the huddle was going?
Was he sulking?
The things that Vinny is doing now is so stupid it has to be unprecedented in the NBA.
by Camry on Feb 23, 2009 5:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This game was a perfect illustration of why not dumping Hinrich for expirings
was such a huge failing on Pax’s part. Not only is Ben Gordon essentially gone, but VDN is overusing Hinrich in order to “raise his value” so they can dump him for more this offseason. As if teams around the league don’t know who this guy is by now. Blech.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 22, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Org. is that calculating
we should know by now that Pax does little in regards to playing time, even if it has catastrophic consequences
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
either way, bringing in Salmons who needs a good chunk of his minutes at the 2
and not dumping Hinrich was reprehensible, especially because VDN always finds a way to get him 20+ minutes even though he doesn’t deserve them. Adding Salmons to the guard rotation was going to clutter out minutes from both of our starting guards. The fact that so many of them have been coming from Rose is probably more a matter of his recent struggles combined with Gordon being on fire, but Rose should play 35 minutes a night every night regardless of how he is playing and Hinrich should get no more that 15 minutes…ever.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 22, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know i'm going to get heat for saying this..
But Hinrich needs to be playing 20 minutes a night for showcasing because if we are playing this guy 10-15 minutes a night than Hinrich is not gonna put up numbers and then we got a guy that is getting paid 10 million a year that we can’t trade during the during the summer.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
showcase for what?
the trade deadline has passed and he’s not going to raise his value anytime between now and the end of the year. It’s best to hide him on the bench at this point. Play him for 15 min a night and that’s it. Hell, at this point, play Hunter for 5 min a half. Kirk stinks and Vinny stinks even more for playing him so much.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well if we don't play Hinrich than he sits on our bench for 10 million and doesn't get traded
there’s no team in this league that’s gonna want a guy that barely plays because there going to wonder what’s up with the guy. The T Wolves were interested in Hinrich and he was playing pretty bad, but he was getting his minutes.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not playing a lot vs. playing a lot and showing that you stink
which one would you trade for?
Better to have someone wonder if he stinks than actually KNOW that he stinks…
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GMs know what Hinrich brings and they know he doesnt fit here.
There may be some dumb ones, but in general we dont need to play him above and beyond whats best for this team as long as we move him this summer.
by reprisal on Feb 23, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk hardly stinks
But did have an awful game.
I seem to recall Kirk was a big piece of the prior 2 games…..how quickly we forget.
Kirk just didn’t have it yesterday, maybe he was out too late hte night before….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of use knew
the last couple games were abnormal for Kirk and didn’t expect it to last. Kirk typically “doesn’t have it” enough to warrant being in over Rose like that.
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
the last two games werent abnormal….maybe you can make a case for the 31pt game…but what he did in the nuggets game, that is the norm for kirk….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at his stats.
Since back he has consistently got 20-30 minutes a game yet we get 2pts here, 10pts there, 4pts, 14pts… that is what I am not quickly going to forget. Yay, Kirk gives us his once a season 30pts game. For some reason I’d still prefer our second leading scorer of Rose on the floor. Especially if Kirk is being burned on defense has he often is by small PGs because I know he isn’t guaranteed to bringing any points with him.
With fresh guard glut on hand Kirk should get 10 minutes as backup PG and that is it. Gordon and Salmons can take the SG spot. Giving Kirk 20-30 min consistently isn’t making him a reliable contributor, doesn’t seem to be helping a trade happen, and is only reducing Rose’s burn time. Something that shouldn’t happen.
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk's
Not expected to be a scorer, and thus that ain’t his role. He’s brought in there to facilitate the offense and provide defense. You’ll notice he mostly plays PG when paired iwth Rose, and Rose becomes the off guard.
Kirk can score if he needs to do so but him not being nearly as gifted as BG or Rose or Deng in that regard he doesn’t.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately I think he's trying to prove himself as a scorer
in this post-Rose Bulls world. And his turnover percentage is in the Tyson Chandler zone.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By off guard do you mean
Rose standing on the 3pt line doing nothing? Because I do remember that and was a little disturbed every time. With who we have that should never happen.
Like I said, Kirk can get 10 minutes a night backing up Rose until he is traded over the summer. Playing more just takes time away from Rose (or gives Rose time to pick flowers in the outfield or whatever he does as “off guard”).
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea kirk being a scorer isnt normal
What is normal is kirk doing the little things, defense, passing, not being selfish. Which is why i was saying yesterdays game is more abnormal not the games before yesterday. After the 31 point game he played another game where he didnt really score alot, but he was great with moving the ball (actually he had 8 assists mainly from feeding the hot hand that was gordon) and played terrific defense. That is actually the norm for kirk. The biggest concensus on this site isnt that kirk is a sub par player, but he doesnt fit on this team financially or position (role) wise. He is good enough that coaches might want him in at the first sign of trouble, but that means either rose or gordon will have to sit out (who are more talented in thier respective positions). Then his contract prevents keeping a guy like gordon which many believe is imperetive for this team to be competetive (though i dont buy that argument completely, i do understand its tough to debate since all the numbers prove exactly that)
So kirks norm, isnt bad…kirks norm, wasnt yesterday…kirks true norm is the denver game, some offensive production, but more so doing the little things to help secure a win and being some sort of factor on the court. THats what makes kirk terrific. But kirk is not helping himself any, and i fear that he is more likely to put more bad games together than good not really at his own fault, but because of what the coaching staff is doing (mainly yo-yoing the guards around so its impossible to tell who will play how many positions, in what sort of consecutive rotation, at what points in the game).
Kirk had a bad game for sure yesterday, but it was only made worse by the fact that the coaches threw him in the game AND took out gordon and rose. THen when hinrich wasnt producing, they didnt adapt and thus we had a terrible game on hinrichs part.
I often speak that one of hte major reasons i am a hinrich fan is because i see alot of similarities in the way we react in basketball situation (not skill wise but more demeanor) and i know myself personally, if i am having a bad game, i often want to take myself out of the game because i have a hard time recovering from my own mistakes. If i turn over the ball too many times, i start thinking about it too much during the game, and then every mistake after that compunds and instead of fixing my mistakes i make more and dont recover and shy away from the game a bit. I need to be taken out and given time to get my head together,, somteimes i need a sort of encouragement to get focused and get back in with a clear head.
I think hinrich was going through those motions, and vdn didnt give him the chance to clear his head, i think the times he was freezing out gordon was because he was being selfish, trying to get something going so he can get out of his funk but it wasnt working….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put and well said.
I also think Kirk was perhaps trying to get his boy Brad Miller going a bit to no avail, and perhaps the Salmons addition didn’t help either….but whatever, integration of new pieces without practice is tough for the PG’s….and Kirk and Derrick showed a bit why yesterday (on top of just both having bad games in general).
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
derrick had 8 assists
seems like he was integrating everyone just fine. he was just struggling from the field.
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by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
derrick
will benefit the most with miller, i think the one play that matt loved in the game, i think i can see that being a bread and butter move, especially since miller is a great screen setter and a savvy and smart shooter, while rose is an awesome penetrator
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by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I didn’t realize he had 8 assists…..that’s surprising because watching it I would have thought a very minor Rose game…it seemed his offense wasn’t flowing.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets an assist and it's not a spectacular pass
Chances are no one will remember it, and if they do it will be due to whoever made the basket did something nice.
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I typically
Take notice of his aggressiveness and passing, but I really thought watching that game Derrick just wasn’t himself at all and seemed a bit checked out….
He had a rookie game, but the 8 asissts in a game where he looked rusty, was surprising.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller
Man there was this one play where brad set a perfect screen for kirk and looked like he was gonna role, the pacers being dimwitted defenders, doubled kirk and kirk got a nice opening for a perfect lead-bounce-pass for miller to the rim. The problem: Miller didnt roll, he faded, and so when he noticed that kirk had thrown a lead pass he hustled to get to the ball (except he is just as slow as gray) he got the ball but by then the defense was already on him and the shot clock was going down…he shot a bad shot. I think some people in the game thread called kirk on a bad pass, although i think it was a perfect pass except miller doesnt really like attacking the rim, he likes to take his jumpers instead. If that was noah, tyrus, or hell even gray, i think that wouldve been a nasty play….oh well….and yea i thought the first time kirk came in it was more because he is the veteran and knows all the plays, so he could help the new guys (who entered the game with kirk at the same time)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller almost never rolls
And this isn’t bad. His best scoring attributes do come from setting high screens and then stepping back to receive the pass.
Opponents will scheme against this to take that part away from Miller.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 24, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
poorly put!
I saw it was that long and skipped it :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:(
One day ill write a rant insulting hinrich to no end and praising gordon and make it likek 3000 words…and NO ONE SHALL EVER READ IT MUWAHAHA
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
The lengthy comments, esp when I agree with ’em.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Relax
It was one game and seeing as Salmons had absolutely no time to practice with the team, he played very well, 12 pts on 8 shots ain’t horrible, he spread the floor a bit, and will light a fire in Deng a bit to step up.
I don’t understand the complete and very early assessment of him especially when he played well (18.5 PER yesterday)….and his 16.2 PER for the year is still better than Lu-yawn Deng.
I understand getting angry at Vinny for the Rose shelving and the ignorance of Gordon in the second half and getting angry about Kirk’s dreadful game, but come on now Salmons looked good (I thought) And the stats seconded that….plus he lit a spark in BG to perform again….and will do the same in Luol, or he could very well take Luol’s place next year (cuz we’ll feature Luol the second half if he doesn’t :) ).
One game, and a pretty decent game from him is no reason to be angry about him, I mean I know Brad Miller played with us in the past, but he played a far worse game than Salmons yesterday and was a far more essential player for us to step up….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine with Miller
Having a bad game, the guys need some time to gel, but come on gettign angry at Salmons after he had a nice game, is ridiculous, he had a nice game coming in playing with guys he barely practiced with….and he outperformed Deng for sure yesterday and Rose and Hinrich….
I like that Miller likely means the end of the Aaron Gray experience….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Gordon had somehow not been preforming
until Salmons showed up? Seriously? He should save his matches for Deng. Gordon has been fine all year.
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But this adds a little extra fire.
I am and always have been a big BG supporter….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something that's really killing me
Is that, with this economy, it’s quite likely we could have signed Gordon for quite a bit less than we otherwise would have.
It’s going to be a huge buyer’s market this summer, and we’re in a position to buy absolutely nothing. Come 2010 we’ll be paying $15M for Salmons and Hinrich when there’s a fair chance if we were properly set up this summer, that money could get us Tyrus and Gordon. And still have max money left over.
by Sports2 on Feb 22, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pringles played Hughes for 16 minutes 1-9
Sometimes a coach can’t make lemonade out of Lemons. And even on well-coached teams salary plays a part in playing time.
by madvillian on Feb 22, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was going to be sarcastic and say they're showcasing Hinrich...
…but fundamentallysound beat me to it.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2009 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... they're really gonna get "value" for him this summer. Not.
by Sports2 on Feb 22, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Expiring contracts would have been value for Hinrich - particularly RLEC.
Does anyone really think Rose-Hinrich Salmons > Rose-Gordon-Salmons?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 22, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JR's wallet does
I would rather have the AI of 2k9 coach this team than VDN
by trig on Feb 22, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 22, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The craziness of this economy
may very well end up making Gordon cheaper than Hinrich. The problem is we’re not in a likely position to move Hinrich without taking back money anymore.
by Sports2 on Feb 23, 2009 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been ripped for saying that here...
But I agree that Gordon will end up being cheaper than Hinrich…
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 23, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've been ripped for saying it because you were saying it for 2 years
before it made much sense to say it.
by Sports2 on Feb 23, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and because he seemed so delirously happy about it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys want Gordon back
He has to be cheaper than Hinrich
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah... I really hate this organization.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 22, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is quickly becoming my most disliked player on the team
And it’s not entirely his fault. Give him 15 minutes max, Vinny, and call it a day.
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by Illini15 on Feb 22, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's the exact same thing that happened with Nocioni.
Nocioni became a an easy-to-dislike as soon as he signed his contract, more so as Boylan and then Del Negro played him too much over younger, more promising players. This was all before he started playing poorly. Then there was that.
Hinrich became a player that was overpaid and needed to be moved as soon as they drafted Derrick Rose. It will be easy to dislike him if he’s played over Rose and Gordon. And it will only get worse if Hinrich starts to have continued bad games.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if he continues to refuse to pass to Ben Gordon. I don't know his motives like Andrew seems to
believe he does, but it’s a problem that he’s decided that his role as facilitator is not important anymore and it’s a problem.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 22, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Kirk's history
I seen a lot of games where Deng or Gordon would have 18 or 20 points at half and they finish w/ 23 or 25, because Hinrich stops getting them the ball
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because Kirk Hinrich sucks
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 23, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And really
Now that we have Salmons – who Pax so praised for his skills as a perimeter defender – what in the world is the point of having Kirk Hinrich on this roster? Because he’s a gritty veteran? The only real worthwhile attribute he brought to the table are his merely above-average perimeter defending skills. And the only reason they even were “valued” in the first place is because both Gordon and Rose are fairly abymsal on that end. That Minnesota deal should have been done in a freaking split second. Gah, this is infuriating to think about.
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by Illini15 on Feb 22, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax sees alot of himself in Hinrich,
and Pax like a guy who refuses to part w/ his girlfriend, knowing that they both would be better off w/ somebody else, Pax trade Hinrich and end this love affair
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That can really be said of all the "vets" on this team
It’s why, along with the obviously awful financial implications, I’m pretty much looking at the trades we made with dismay. What’s true of Hinrich is true of all these guys. I know we’ve clamored for Miller, but I, at least, didn’t prioritize getting him or a similar guy over a modicrum of financial stability. And on the court, I think we’ve acquired him at the point where the need for him was starting to diminish due to the (somewhat) improved consistency of Noah and Thomas.
Our guard rotation had finally been properly thinned out by exiling Hughes and recognizing that Thabo sucked. The addition of Salmons just re-introduced a problem that had been solved.
With only one trade we could at least say we swapped the too many forwards problem of Noc for the reintroduction of the too many guards problem with Salmons, but we also, apparently, are willing to actually play Tim Thomas. And apparently we value Salmons so much (and Pax said as much) that we’ll play Deng at the 4 as well.
So basically, we came into the season with a financial problem, that we’ve actually made worse, and a depth problem that we’ve, if anything, actually made worse (since Miller and Salmons were “wanted” acquisitions, they’re gonna get significantly more breathing room than Hughes and Gooden got). At best we rearranged the deck chairs. At worse we’re taking on water more quickly.
by Sports2 on Feb 22, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you're saying
I just don’t understand how the financial problem has gotten worse. It’s actually better because now we don’t have to pay for a big guy this summer because we have Miller for next year as well. Also Salmons is making less than Nocioni and his contract is shorter and for the Hughes trade it was a 2 for 1 deal, so now we are basically paying 2 players for the price that we would be paying Hughes.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the financial situation IS worse
when you take into account that there is basically no money to re-sign Gordon this summer without going into luxury tax territory. The 2010 financial picture got better but the 2009 financial picture got screwed.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alright
But did we ever have enough money to sign Gordon in the summer pre-trade deadline?
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the expirings of
Drew, Simmons, and Ruffin..along with a Kirk trade (may not have even been necessary)…may have been enough to re-sign Ben.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think both parties made their choice.
Ben turned down multiple offers from the Bulls…and the Bulls traded for his cheaper replacement in Salmons.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 23, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes its addition buy subtraction
Letting Gordon go could be better for the Bulls, and might make the team better
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Rose, we might be better too.
…………………………………………………………………..
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by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get an expiring contract for Rose? ;)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 24, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree...but I always completely disagree with you, so nothing's changed
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 23, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We might have found a cheap one(with other negatives), but this is definitely an underrated consideration. People just hate the inevitability this situation seems to have taken on. Especially since it seems Gar Paxdorf may have passed on dumping Kirk all ready?
by reprisal on Feb 22, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The financial situation is worse because we traded Gooden and other expirings for Miller
The net outcome of the trades is that we added about $9M to next year’s salary commitments.
That’s a lot of money for Brad Miller next year. If you think about it, I’d say two things:
1. The need for a third big guy like him was declining anyway
2. We could probably have signed a passable free agent this summer for less than half of that.
by Sports2 on Feb 23, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Del Negro has to be on crack..
“Kirk’s a very good defender, and Ford was getting around us a bit,” Del Negro said. “I just thought Kirk could control T.J. a little better.”
by morobb on Feb 22, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Frankly,
I thought this was a terrible game by Derrick, but I don’t think it was because of his defensive lapses. Rose did a better job containing Ford off the dribble than did Kirk.
More importantly, you’re going to let T.J. Ford dictate your lineup?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Feb 22, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was thinking
He took out Rose for so long he let them “force” his hand almost…I mean that happens but that drastic
by Camry on Feb 23, 2009 5:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ Ford
Is a very underrated player. I think TJ didn’t have it in the first half, wasn’t aggressive, wasn’t doing much at all, but he finally stepped up in the 2nd half.
I know he isn’t having a great year, but last year before injury guys were making TJ out to be the most underrated PG in the league…..he’s lightening quick, he can score, he can defend well for his size…..he’s underrated.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you said underrated so much
he’s now overrated
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did LOL
Sorry, it was early and the coffee hadn’t kicked in.
Let me correct it, TJ Is overrated, overrated, overrated overrated….oh yeah he’s underrated.
There that brings it back down to earth, slightly underrated.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to Boston
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
Is a very good defender, but had a very very bad game. Watch Kirk of the 2 games before, he was playing very well of late.
Seriously one bad game….I understand that it’s made worse because Rose was sitting, but Derrick was playing awful yesterday and you’d think that our veteran Kirk would have stepped in a bit, but after that wasn’t the case in the first half or the second half, Vinny should have put Derrick back in……that was the issue.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WIsh skiles were here
he wouldve benched kirk for sucking so bad….he wouldve yo-yoed kirk and rose until finally he gave up on both of them and just had gordon play the point and salmons play sg…..vdn needs to be consistant in what he does. If rose is sucking put in kirk, if kirk is sucking put rose back….dont give one player the benefit of the doubt just because he is a vet (even though your rook is a basically an all star)….I think kirk played bad, but vdn keeping him in so long basically made his performance even worse……
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by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
he would’ve put in Duhon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss duhon
at least when he was around, everyone hated him alot more than kirk…
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by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piccolomair
I think Kirk will be the new Nocioni and Nocioni was the new Duhon and Duhon was as hated as the Adrian Griffin and Corpse Wallace…
It’s a shame cuz Kirk’s better than the others. much better….but yesterday added some fuel to that fire.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk hasn't been good going on a year and half now...
it’s worrisome irrespective of contract and role (though that certainly hurts)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not quite true
Kirk was godawful last year, but he’s playing well in lesser minutes this year….
Just been hurt.
I do agree we should have definately traded him going into the year, and are slowly killing his trade value (injury definately hurt it further)….
That was moronic, but Kirk is playing far better than last year’s anomally.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
last year PER:
13.1
this year: 13.5
He has to prove he doesn’t still stink. He had a great first week back but has since been mostly in the crapper.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong person to argue with.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I argue
Fine with everyone else on here besides you Tyger. YFBB posts what he thinks and I respect that.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Less time though
And a less consistent role, surely hurts PER.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But I do agree
He has not been what he was 2 years plus ago.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And finally
Kirk was godawful early last year before getting into some form and bringing up his PER to an inflated level by year end…..he played much better post Jan….but that PER really overstates his impact last year, he should have been in the 9 or 10’s max, because he was GODHORRIBLEAWFUL the first 2+ months of the year when it mattered the absolute most.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets look at it
When the Bulls drafted Kirk, I thought he was going to be a mediocore PG, and thats what hes been playing like, we just overvalued him as a player, Kirk Hinrich is who I thought he was
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we let him off the hook, he should’ve been wearing a different jersey by now
by LOTP on Feb 23, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
congrats
I’ll add that feat to the wall.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would have traded everything for Malik Allen, and TYrus wouldn't have any time
And Noah would have been Tim Thomased in Dec.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there was an article
or rather taken from tyrus’ blog about tyrus saying he also liked skiles, and how some of us were discussing it was more the media that made skiles seem so evil not the players….
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by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't know
I read quite a bit when Joe Smith left that he, Wallace and Luol were the biggest Skiles detractors.
Then Scott saying he felt the team quit on him says that perhaps they were finally over with him….
Adding to that that Kirk has looked completely rejuvinated the 2 games against Scott, and yeah I think the guys grew tired of him.
Tyrus might be an exception, but then again if Tyrus sat again this year….I’m sure he’d follow suit.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Skiles earned his perception.
Just look at the lunch he had with Paxson and Lamarcus Aldridge where all he did was stare down LMA.
by silentpete on Feb 23, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we still use the term "Tim Thomased"
now that Tim Thomas is actually seeing the court for the Bulls?
(Who would have thunk it?)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 24, 2009 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
But yes we definately can use the term more now that Tim Thomas 3 years later will be playing for us….while costing us what 8M less.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes bc....
“We still weren’t able to control T.J. the way I would’ve liked,” Del Negro said.
by morobb on Feb 22, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know what else is funny...
That Vinny doesn’t allow his assistants to talk to the media.
by morobb on Feb 22, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know I think you guys are overreacting.
In my opinion the reason the Bulls lost was because TJ Ford went crazy and the Bulls couldn’t stop his penetration and then could get a box out when the bigs came to help out.
They clogged the lanes which cut off Rose’s ability to get to the hoop. I think the game was broke open by Brad Millers inability to stop their bigs from scoring on him and then Salmons bad foul. I think it changed the whole flow of the game.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, those guys are new and trying to get acclimatized.
Not making excuses for them but what were they doing out there in a crucial time in the game?
Also, blaming Miller for his inability to stop the Pacer bigs imply that TT, Noah or gray would have been able to stop them. In that case, why didn’t VDN put them out there? Okay, so I’m blaming VDN. Great conclusion from a guy who didn’t even see the game. I just read the details here.
by PatBull on Feb 22, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
They had to see what they traded for. Once VDN put Miller in the defense became soft inside. From that point on the Pacers had new life.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Practice?
Who needs practice?
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE?!?
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Miller is the last guy you should blame for this loss.
His +/- was 12, while Noah was -15. He played a solid game and rebounded well.
Vinny DelNegro explained the reason for the Bulls loss this way:
“I thought our guys played hard, not real smart at times, Offensive rebounds were the difference. We weren’t able to control T.J.‘s penetration. We had opportunities but didn’t seem to capitalize on them. We had good looks. We weren’t able to knock them down. We weren’t able to handle penetration or offensive rebounds. I thought our guys played hard but I felt we didn’t have a sense of urgency.”
What he should have said was:
"I thought our guys played hard, but being the clueless knucklehead that I am, not real smart at times, Offensive rebounds were the difference, which is why I benched Tyrus and Noah and went small in crunch time, to make sure this pattern would not change. We weren’t able to control T.J.‘s penetration, thanks to my decision to bench our quickest player in favor of our slowest veteran outside of Lindsey Hunter. I was especially impressed with the way the little fireball blew by our cagey veteran like he was standing stil anytime he wanted to, especially when he scored 9 points in less than two minutes to kill any chances of our pulling this one out, This came as a complete shock to me since, as you all know, Kirk is our highest paid guard and did I mention that Luol is our highest paid player in spite of getting a +/- of -21 today, but he did sink 2 of 6 free throws and only turned the ball over when we were within 1 point or the game was tied. But remember, he is a veteran which is why I had him at the 4 instead of Tyrus at key times. We can’t afford those young guys making mistakes that may cost us some games.
We had opportunities but didn’t seem to capitalize on them, thanks primaily to my lamebrain rotations timed to always get the worst combination of players on the floor at the most crucial times.. We had good looks. It’s just too bad Kirk completely shut out Ben when he was having his finest shooting game of the year and I pulled Tyrus just as he was in perfect rythm nailing 3 straight J’s. The reason I called a timeout and substitued was because I didn’t want Tyrus to get a swelled head and expect us to actually run some plays for him if hekept that up. We weren’t able to knock them down once we had 4 shooters on the floor and I decided to run everything into to Noah and the 4 defenders crowding the paint.
We weren’t able to handle penetration or offensive rebounds. Maybe I shouldn’t switch every time on the pick and roll, especially after the Pacers made 15 straight layups because of mismatches with our guards on thier bigs. I guess I’ll have to review the film (beginners video on how to coach defense) I thought our guys played hard but I felt we didn’t have a sense of urgency, at least I didn’t because I took a real good whiz right before our last time out so I could operate with a clear head and an empty bladder. Plus its not easy when you lose your 3 biggest go to guys in one week. We could always rely on Drew, Noce and Larry in the past and you can’t expect our young players like Derrick, Tyrus and Noah to pick up the slack, especially while they’re riding the bench.
Thank You and please no questions for my assistants. They are under strict orders not to reveal any of our secret strategy for success that I learned from old football coaches. However, we may get a big boost Monday since I’ve invited the Chicago Bears offensive coordinator to give the kids an inspirational pep talk on how to close out games"
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
+1 for this post
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 22, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, epic post.
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by Illini15 on Feb 22, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a note found on VDN's desk
Dearest Vinny
Call for a Noah Isolation play.
It can be your FB Dive on 3 and short.
It’s my bread & butter.
Your Buddy,
Ron Turner
by reprisal on Feb 22, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Vinny should only use this play if Noah is less than one yard from the basket. lol
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
try one inch
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Strap, in for Everett.
Don’t shoot the ball unless you’re under the basket all by yourself!" – Norman Dale
--Torch
by torch on Feb 23, 2009 7:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say Miller was solid.
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
slow would be the word.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it looked like Miller was lost trying to figure out Vinny's playbook
you have to loss a lot of brain cells in order to get to that point where you can actually understand his playbook, give him a couple of days!
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but in all seriousness
he rebounded nicely today, just looked a bit stiff
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand he doesn't know the play book... really Tim Thomas seemed to know where
to be better then any other of the new players. But Miller looked damn slow and he got man handled a few times which to me was eye popping. Not a shot blocker I guess.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Tim Thomas
Has been traded 8 times in 12 years and is on his 3rd team this year….he’s used to picking up a new system….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, i see
But was there ever going to be enough money to get Gordon this summer anyways? I thought it still wouldn’t have been enough pre-deadline trades.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how much Gordon's offered,
maybe.
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by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His veteran savvy makes up for his lack of quickness. He is going to teach our young guys some tricks that only come from knowing the league and experience.
Outside of missing a couple of shots, he played a very good game and was on the floor when the Bulls came back from a 14 point deficit to take the lead. I realize he’s no Aaron Gray but once he learns the playbook (how hard is it to absorb 2 pages of diagrams?) the Bulls are going to be a much stronger team in spite of Vinnie Clousou.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think I agree with you
Miller is getting an unnecessary amount of blame in today’s game. He looked ok for his first game with the team. If his shot was falling, people would be saying something different. Seriously, did people expect him to look like Dwight Howard?
For every slow move or rotation that Miller had, Tyrus had a bad shot attempt (damn I wish he would stop shooting so many jumpers and acting like he’s a guard…ugh).
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i love having a true C on the team
who’s not aaron gray.
no, brad’s not the most finesse guy in the world, but i liked the guy in his first stint in chicago and i think he’ll help out the younger guys. noah can learn from him, and even gray can learn something about being a slow lumbering white dude, who at least knows how to use his skills.
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by Jaina on Feb 22, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all we need Miller to do this year is..
control the paint with rebounding and defending somewhat while Thomas and Noah are getting breathers. That’s it.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that AND
hit a few jumpers in the pick-and-pop game. I don’t understand all of this “Miller was slow” talk. Did I miss something? Has he been fast anytime in the last few seasons? In his life?
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I was the one saying we was slow.
He just looked kinda clumsy and slow thats all. Big deal he can hit a pop shot.
I just think you guys should relax before you begin putting him in as the starter. I just wasn’t happy with his shot blocking. He should just take Gray’s minutes.
By the way there was talk of trading Gray.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when has Miller ever been considered a shot-blocker?
why would you be unhappy with something that’s not even his forte’?
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 22, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it's just that Bulls are accustomed to watching Tyrus and Noah run up the floor
who are very agile compared to most power-forwards and centers in this league. By the way Tyrus ran up the floor after his steal to get the shooting foul like a shooting guard today-oh he’s so quick.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
theres like 1 person who actually thinks Miller deserves much blame
by reprisal on Feb 22, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not blaming Miller.
I just noticed he’s ass slow. The reason the Bulls lost was because they couldn’t stop Ford or get key rebounds.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax better find a way to keep Ben. It shouldn't be that difficult once they trade Kirk.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2009 11:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng is the new Nocioni.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we trade Kirk, it's not a simple task
We would have to trade him to a team that has cap space open to take him for nothing like the Camby deal last year. If we trade Hinrich for expirings it won’t really help us this summer. Please jerry pay the luxury tax for Gordon!
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just that Bulls fans are accustomed to watching Tyrus and Noah run up the floor
who are very agile compared to most power-forwards and centers in this league. By the way Tyrus ran up the floor after his steal to get the shooting foul like a shooting guard today-oh he’s so quick.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can that be? Everyone knows Tyrus NEVER runs up the floor.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 22, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow i posted that in the wrong place, but whatever
Oh yea forgot, Tyrus NEVER runs, how dare I say that.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, Tyrus kills me
He had a guy (it was either Rose or Gordon, I think… I’m already getting hazy on it) wide open on a fast break and went for a spectacular but contested play himself instead of making an easy and obvious pass.
On another play he gave up the ball on our end, flopped to the ground, got up, and trotted slowly toward the play, while the Pacers scored. Painful.
by Sports2 on Feb 23, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still chalking these things up to "experience".
It was a bad play, but at least it resulted in free throws. But yeah, I thought the same thing. Pass it to Rose!!!
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by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first play
was rose…who i thought he really shouldve passed to…rose wouldve thrown him a lob or something for sure…i think it was a 2 on 1 fastbreak too…
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by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is a point guard
heh.
He sure wants to handle the ball like he is one. It kills me to see us run the break without passing. Get the rock at your own free throw line and start passing the ball forward. It moves faster than you can. You’ll get it back on an easy lob pass.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't start up with that.
Please don’t
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 22, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But who has cap space and needs a point guard?
Should have found a team with a trade exemption before the deadline.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 23, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesday is going to be a crazy game to watch.
Thomas and Noah will be busy!
There are two types of basketball fans. Those who use stats to fight all their arguments and those who actually watch basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 22, 2009 11:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My prediction:
VDN is going to roll out Mr. Tim Thomas to take Howard, it’s only the smartest move in order to stop Superman.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 23, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Tyrus on him.
I know he gives up some size but that would be a nice battle.
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 23, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does that I predict Howard will have 38 points and 24 rebounds.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2009 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the positive..
Howard won’t have as many blocks against us because it’s a lot harder to block a 3 versus a shot in the post
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 23, 2009 12:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They showed a shot on TV of Pax watching the game from one of the entrances
I wonder what he thought.
by hlac on Feb 23, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Derrick taking it to the hole more?
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by SoulEater7 on Feb 23, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Derrick on the floor?
And when he is on the floor, why is he guarding Troy Murphy in the post? I know I said we would make the defense less complicated, but this is ridiculous…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 23, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Easily the most frustrating thing this season has been the defensive scheming
I understand Vinny being retarded and always going to bad lineups, really I get where he’s coming from. But I cannot fathom how a head coach can continue to maintain the same defensive strategy, regardless of opponent, even when it doesn’t work that well. Switching on pick and rolls when its Jack or Ford running it with Troy Murphy? Does he even comprehend how ludicrous that sounds?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Inability to adjust
We’ve pretty much established that Vinny stinks, but its worth mentioning that all season, the Bulls have switched bigs on smalls on screens. Then, on the rare chance that they have weakside help, the ball always finds the open man. I am at a loss to explain, with the athleticism on the team, how they do not show hard and recover on those screens or, at the very least, the guards see those screens coming and get over the top. They concede the switch immediately – Troy Murphy could have had forty if he got the ball each time down there.
To make matters worse, Salmons should have been in for Deng down the stretch with the starters. He was having a good game, can actually get to the basket w/o looking like the Tin Man and he can make an open shot outside of 19 feet.
I keep going back to the Denver game last year after the Wallace trade where the undermanned roster put up big numbers and gave a spirited effort in the win. Then, with Pax saying that Gooden is a “starting power forward in this league,” the young bigs got shelved while we got more Gooden/Nocioni. Paxson cannot let that happen. I was at the game yesterday and when Tyrus got pulled late, I thought he was going to take somebody out on the sidelines. And, if that had been VDN, TT would have deserved his contract extension right now.
by Gene Banks on Feb 23, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sitting BG
and then when salmons came in in the 4th for tyrus instead of deng was ridiculous.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rather, not even sitting BG
(since he played a lot of minutes) but not making sure he got involved in the offense quickly.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I thought it was odd yesterday. Derrick was playing poorly sure, but even in the first half, Hinrich was playing equally bad, and yet Hinrich was put back in there…..really really odd coaching.
Kirk had his worst game of the year by a long shot.
I know Derrick didn’t have it yesterday either, but with Kirk looking as bad as he was, why keep Kirk out there.
I liked the new guys a bit, you could tell they weren’t quite sure what was going on, but it was cool seeing the versatile possiblities, especially when Tim Thomas came in the 3rd and showed more of that open the floor possibilities….too bad we couldn’t capitalize on it.
Ben Gordon was amazing in the first half, but either the defense really shut him down (not likely) or he sat a bit too much and wasn’t made part of the offense in the 2nd half (my thoughts), which was a real shame and cost us the game….
Oh well, give it time I guess….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why pass the ball to your best scorer?
We need to learn how to work together as a team, which means nobody can do better than anybody else.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get your comment I guess
Of course we should have gottent he ball more to Ben Gordon in the 2nd half, and I can’t belive VDN didn’t address this at all after the first half…
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm...
hehe i read it like he was comparing vdns coaching to communism….everyone must play at an equal level, no one can outshine anyone else….from now on im calling vdn the commie (i hope no one is offended)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you got it.
Maybe I should add little asterisks when I’m sarcastic. Sometimes it doesn’t shine through, heh.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I suffer from that too, though I’m far more sarcastic in real life than in blog, blog land.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm about the same, probably.
Happens in real life too, since I don’t really have any tells for when I’m being sarcastic. :P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another idiotic quote by Vinny....
“(Rose) is still young and he’s got to learn defensively,” Del Negro said. “When you’ve got Kirk sitting over there as one of your best defenders and a guy’s hurting you, then I’ve got to get Kirk out there and try to control the penetration. We still weren’t able to control T.J. the way we would like. He carves people up a lot.”
by morobb on Feb 23, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It’s exactly true, it’s just that Kirk (who is one of our best defenders) didn’t have it yesterday.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is how the quote should've gone.
"(Rose) is still young and he’s got to learn defensively"
Then if asked about Kirk he can go “who? who cares, he’s the backup”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt is there a thread on who the Bulls should try to get as a replacement for Vinny next year?
Avery Johnson
Hubie Brown
Flip Saunders
etc, etc, etc.
by Bart71 on Feb 23, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
scottie pippen
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
by Jbasic89 on Feb 23, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd that one
I’d love to see Scottie….though if he sucked, I would really really have trouble saying it until year 4-5 so in that regard, I don’t know maybe I don’t….
Last thing I’d need is Scottie Paxsoning his rep….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Thibodeau.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 23, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This game wasn't lost on any one player
Ben Gordon was spectacular in the first half and god awful pathetic in the 3rd quarter. I can only say god awful pathetic because it didn’t appear as if Ben was even looking to score in these minutes. Defensively he was allowing his man to lead cut through the paint while Ben jogged behind him. This led to Noah and Tyrus having to cheat into the paint to deny a passing and penetration lane which subsequently left their men open to create the passing rotations. Daniels and Jack hit there wide open threes.
We weren’t rebounding in the 3rd and only got back in the game with some great bench shooting from Tim Thomas and John Salmons. Brad Miller pitched in with 5 boards to Noah’s zero. Yay. One note, Brad Miller might lead the NBA in rebounding if he gets enough minutes with us. He’s not getting finger flicked out of the paint like some of our current bigs and our previous fist pumping “big”.
We went cold shooting the ball in the 4th and never tried to pick things up by attacking the rim(coaching?). Is it difficult to ask one member of the coaching staff to watch for basic indicators of what the team isn’t doing?
This loss is as bad as the loss to the Wolves at the United Center. It’s a game we should have won. Now the club has to step up and take away a victory from a playoff team down the stretch. Good luck.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was "god aweful pathetic"
in the third? If you look at the game flow the offense was clearly not going to Gordon during either stint he was in there during the third. During the game we were saying as much. Gordon isn’t to blame there. He didn’t even get to take a shot during his first stint and if Gordon was passed the ball within the offense he obviously would have taken it. The ball wasn’t going to him. Thomas, Deng, Hinrich, Noah and Rose all took shots during his first stint and then when he came back in the second time he was shut out of the offense again. Hinrich was running plays for Salmons and Miller. It took Hinrich being out of the game for him to take his only shot in the third (which he made). Surprise surprise. I don’t remember seeing him wave off any shots. He just wasn’t being given the ball. The offense was being given to anyone but Gordon. http://www.nba.com/games/20090222/CHIIND/playbyplay.html
And you know what? If you don’t give the hot hand the ball to shoot like what happened in the third with Gordon then a guy like Gordon should probably sit. Because he isn’t terribly strong in any other area and really is out there to shoot, true. But you also set yourself up to lose by not getting Gordon going. So congratulations Bulls for using your players poorly. The other team was happy to not have Gordon taking shots with little to no effort on their part. Vinny should get the sixth man award for any team we play against.
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you read the post..
He was referring to Gordon’s lack of defense in the third allowing for easier opportunities for Daniels and Jarrett Jack. A poor defensive effort can definitely get a player the “god awful pathetic” tag, even if he’s shooting the lights out like Gordon was in the first half.
"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"
by CommittedToExcellence on Feb 23, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When our "defensive" guy looks like
what Hinrich looked like defensively I’d take Gordon’s “god awful pathetic” any day over Hinrich’s. Gordon makes god awful pathetic look good in comparison. Hinrich wasn’t making his guy work at either end.
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by cranscape on Feb 23, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant.
Both were crappy on the defensive end, this is true. But you expressed a little outrage over “god awful pathetic” defense because of good offense…both players played horrible D and it contributed directly to our loss. Not really worth going to bat for either one of them right now.
"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"
by CommittedToExcellence on Feb 24, 2009 5:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because defense is everything, huh?
Gordon had a positive contribution in a game where that can’t be said for everyone. There are two sides of the court.
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by cranscape on Feb 24, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben didn't get the ball with any opportunity to shoot in the 3rd
This is fucking Ben Gordon, he’d have to be paralyzed and foaming at the mouth to not be looking to score. When your PG is not even looking to pass you the ball, something is horribly wrong.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose should pull John Paxson to the side and say it is either Vinny or me...
and Vinny would be gone in a heartbeat.
by Bart71 on Feb 23, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me
That won’t look good for Ben Gordon’s upcoming contract negotiations….
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crappy coaching has cost us games. Derrick Rose has done everything this year...
on talent alone. Vinny has not taught him shit. Vinny is like Obi Wan Kenobi.
by Bart71 on Feb 23, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kenobi was wise
You’re giving Vinny way too much credit.
Vinny is Admiral Ackbar. Great leader leading everyone into a trap.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unacceptable.
Why is it that us casual fans know more than the actual coaches do?? WHY IS THAT How is that even possible???
Look, Rose is the franchise player. Period. You don’t sit him in crucial situations. He’s clutch, he has balls to make big plays. Hinrich has balls to make terrible plays, which he usually does in late-game situations (that BS 3 pointer in NY).
God, I can’t stand Kirk Hinrich anymore. He’s like one of those white boys in HS you just wanna beat the crap out of.
And WHY DOESN’T DERRICK ROSE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TRAVIS DIENER GUARDING HIM FOR CHRIST SAKES??
You think Indiana can survive 5 minutes of Travis Diener guarding Deron Williams????
Shit…goddammit.
If I was the coach of this team I’ll make every player walk back to Chicago after a disgraceful performance like this.
by TheBastid on Feb 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL!! Also why is it that I've never heard the phrase "selfish" applied to Kirk Hinrich?
After watching him freeze out BG yesterday, I think that’s the perfect word for him.
by Dils on Feb 23, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
diener was only in the game
for about 3 minutes when derrick was the entire game. sooo it’s not THAT bad… it doesn’t even look like derrick tried to even attempt a shot on the guy though. :-/
and diener did absolutely nothing when matched against rose, he had 4 pts and a steal against hinrich while kirk did jack shit.
kirk is going to be the biggest problem going forward now. he didn’t even play that many minutes but it felt like an eternity. i haven’t gotten a good vibe from his body language since a few games after he returned.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a bad Western movie, Return of the Mopey Iowan
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Feb 23, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You would mope too if you had to spend time in Iowa!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 24, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, actually, no, I'm proud to be a Hawkeye
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Feb 24, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Diener
Had the best game of his career against Kirk last year (where Diener looked like the 2nd coming of Steve Nash)….I guess for some reason he matches up really well against Kirk, as annoyingly awful as that is.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure kirk got him back
i don’t remember which game came first, but kirk owned diener in one of the matchups last year also.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should....
But I must have missed that game.
I do like Diener though (because he’s from Marquette like me and had a very good reputation around Milwaukee—even keeping it as a pro, whenever he’s in Milwaukee he allegedly stays at the Hilton (I think it was the Hilton) and gives the staff there very very generous tips, and they all talk of what a great guy in general he is (the tips help I’m sure :) ).
But really he’s a smart player who’s only in the league because he’s smart, cuz he shouldn’t be sniffing the league let alone his better than minimum contract given the lack of size, athleticism, speed, etc he has.
Maybe he can be our assistant coach someday :)-LOL.
by majoyenrac on Feb 23, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he did.
it was pretty awesome too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
trip down memory lane
http://www.blogabull.com/2008/1/24/03215/8681
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Intrestingly enough
i have no comments in that post…..i dont know about anyone else but i found it odd….i should just type something in there but eh…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew he had a big game against the pacers
i guess i was just questioning which game came first. :)
he looked great in that game. too bad it only happens once a year.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Feb 23, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
by Belize on Feb 23, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deep thoughts with Bulls4ever!
Vinny Del Negro is an idiot!
Vinny Del Negro cant coach!
Please for the love of god fire Vinny Del Negro!
So we just aquired a few new players, none of them have played or practiced with us yet. So WHY THE HELL would any coach in his right mind play them as much as Vinny Del Negro did? Those guys shouldve been used very very sparingly. And definitely not at the same time. You try 1 with 4 starters at a time if they play at all.
Also why the fuck did Vinny Del Negro pull TT and Noah with 3 min left? What an IDIOT! After watching that sub i knew the game was over. The worse part was they were subbed out for 2 guys who’ve never played for us before! How fucking dumb..
I continue to be amazed how this ass clown still has a job, this guy has single handedly lost 10 games for this organization this season. 10 F(&&((&(& games. do the math people, we would be a top 5 team in the East if it wasnt for this tool.
This crap he’s pulling with D-Rose is very Skiles like, i wonder if Skiles slipped him a note during the Mil game? You dont touch this kid EVER! You let him do whatever the HELL he wants! I dont care…. Thats were i draw the line when he starts F-ing with our golden child. Let Vinny screw around with all the other bloated crap on this roster but LEAVE D-Rose the FUCK alone…..
Im Out!
Sorry for the swearssssss, im pissed…
by Bulls4Ever on Feb 23, 2009 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was funny how every time the new guys were on the court, Kirk had to be on the court
It’s like VDN really believes Kirk is like a second coach out there or something
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 23, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHHAHHAHAH
Larry Hughes continued a miserable start to his Knicks career by missing all five shots in the first half. After going 1-for-9 for three points in 16 minutes Sunday in a loss at Toronto, he had a corner jumper hit the side of the backboard, and threw up an air ball on another jumper. Acquired Thursday at the trade deadline, he was already hearing boos by late in the second quarter, and the boos resumed when he checked in again in the third.
"Basketball is like religion: many attend, few understand."
by morobb on Feb 23, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Unlegend.
I love that nickname. I’m divided over whether I change my sig, though, now that he’s gone …
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 23, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is fitting isn't it
Larry Un-Legend.
by majoyenrac on Feb 24, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so happy he's gone
It’s nice trading him for Jerome James because we don’t even have to play Jerome James
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 23, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They call him out on SC tonight, it's pretty hilarious...showing all his bloopers from tonight's game and such
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Feb 23, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw it a few minutes ago.
It was funny, the guy on SC was laughing as soon as he said his name. It took MSG 8 minutes of playing time before they started to boo him. Could that be a new record?
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
by MC Cleave on Feb 24, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
road ahead
A win would have really helped build confidence on the tough schedule ahead.
by sweetneyisfat on Feb 23, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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