Vinny's stay of execution
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 8:29 AM CST
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PrintBulls did what they were supposed to do on this road trip: beat two of the worst teams in the league (one with nearly all their good players hurt or barely returning). That was then followed up with a surprising win over the Suns, though that team is reeling themselves.
In fact, you can group the Suns with the other two when considering their defense:
Kings: 30th
Clippers: 22nd
Suns: 24th
But then again, the TWolves are 26th in this category, and the Bulls lost to them, so I suppose this is improvement. Not necessarily from Vinny though, despite what KC Johnson says:
The silly speculation about Del Negro getting fired this season, possibly by the beginning of the All-Star break Feb. 13, overlooks three crucial factors:
•He's in the first season of a three-year deal, and Reinsdorf already is paying Scott Skiles not to work for him.
Didn't bother with the other two crucial factors, as we likely only need that one.
I suppose it was completely silly, KC, to not believe this team would allow such a train wreck to continue unabated. Luckily there's a 3 game win streak instead of a 8 game losing streak, else I wouldn't say it was so silly.
But providing stories with a sub-headline of "Bulls beginning to rally behind Del Negro"...seems just as silly. He still stinks (and I put any problem with the assistants is on him, considering the three wise men seem to have good track records elsewhere).
And this team still needs a trade (or two). That's the kind of silly speculation I want to read!
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I dunno
how do you grade an assistant? They stay forever someplace so I assume they’re alright. they decide this is the season where they’re bad apples?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Del Harris has a good track record, including 1995 NBA Coach of the Year
“Harris spent seven seasons (2000-2007) as an assistant with the Mavericks … during his time with the Mavs the team posted a 406-188 (.684) record … in 12 full seasons as a head coach he has compiled a 556-457 (.549) overall record with three different teams (L.A. Lakers, Milwaukee, Houston) … has been a part of the NBA Playoffs 26 times … prior to joining the Mavs, was head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers for four seasons (1994-1998) … compiled an impressive 218-110 (.665) record, highlighted by the 1997-98 season’s 61-21 mark, the best record ever for a Harris-led club … joins Pat Riley and Phil Jackson as the only coaches in L.A. franchise history to register three consecutive 50-plus wins in a season … was named the 1995 NBA Coach of the Year with the Lakers … prior to his stint with the Lakers, Harris coached in Milwaukee (from 1987-88 through the first part of 1991-92) … guided the Bucks to four consecutive playoff appearances and compiled a 191-154 (.554) overall record in his four-plus seasons as head coach …”
How much better of a track record do you want for an assistant? We has won everywhere he has coached. Phil Jackson and Red Auerbach are apparently not available.
yes.. in regards to Harris his coaching experience shows good results, I don't argue
In watching Bernie for many years he has been very average.
Still this whole grouping of theses 4 coaches together seem to be a misfit from the start.
man up!
there's plenty of silly trade speculation in the Bosh thread!
and the Portland trade thread. Who needs “journalists”?
by fundamentallysound on Feb 2, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions
that's true
Steven A. Smith isn’t even pretending anymore…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
As long as VDN keeps playing the correct rotation
he can coach the Bulls as long as he wants. I don’t remember Skiles or Boylan giving consistent minutes to our most talented players like VDN has lately.
he has no choice
I’ll be more impressed if he did it with Gooden healthy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Ohhh that's not true
Who didn’t expect Hinrich to take over Ben’s starting job by now?
Ben makes it harder
all Tyrus has to do is eat a sandwich pre-game. He’s on a short leash. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
If Drew gets back before the trade(s) occurs....
…..who will lose the most minutes. I’d say Aaron but he doesn’t play in certain games depending on the matchups. If Gooden comes back does Ty or Noah go to the bench, which moves Noc to backup 3 and then Thabo is back to 3 mins a game?
With all the complaining Vinny has done this year about having so many injuries he has dodged a huge bullet by not having to manage the roster completly full for 2-3 weeks.
PT
Gray was DNP a few games last time Gooden played. The Bulls are running most sets with Noah taking the ball just above the free throw line and looking for cutters. It’s been working well, but the opposing center plays off Noah so far that I wish we had someone who could shoot from there. Gooden is the best option.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 2, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
but Gooden never passes, which is why Noah is good in that slot, because he's great for
a big at passing to cutters.
by fundamentallysound on Feb 2, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
When I see Noah in that slot, he really reminds me of a 7 foot PG.
If he worked on his jump shot he would be absolutely deadly, but we can’t have it all. :/
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
he'd need someone to teach him how to shoot first
and that would require coaching and player development, which well… do I even have to say it?
by fundamentallysound on Feb 2, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
It could be worse.
Ben Bum Wallace’s shooting form makes Noah look like Ben Gordon.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 2, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Ben Wallace's shooting form makes ME look like Ben Gordon.
And probably everybody on this blog.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Wallace has decent form though
Watch him shoot free throws. They actually look good, just never go in.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 2, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not worth its own fanshot (snark alert)...
…but the starting rotation of Rose-Gordon-Deng-Thomas, is now FAR beyond the 2nd-most used lineup (150 min. to 90 min.) and is coming on very quickly (still negative APM, but jumping from -20+ to -6+ the past three games). Yes, it’s against bad teams, but it’s good to see.
The problem is that Gooden should play because he’s the 7th-best player on the team (of anyone not named Hughes) and the 3rd-best PF/C on the team. His minutes should come at the expense of Nocioni and Gray. He’ll probably nudge Gray back to the bench, but I can’t see Nocioni’s numbers dropping much further than what they’ve been lately.
Ideal:
Rose 34 – Hinrich – 14
Gordon 34 – Hinrich – 10 – Thabo – 4
Deng 32 – Thabo – 13 – Hinrich – 3
Thomas – 34 – Gooden – 14
Noah – 34 – Gooden – 14
My guess is we’ll see zero – five minutes for Thabo and 25-28 for Thomas and Noah while gooden and Nocioni continue to get way too many minutes.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
3 guard lineup
the “taller” of the three guards has to play sf, thabo might get to play pf and deng might move to center though :)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Didn't really watch much of the PHX game
but looking ahead we’ve got Yao, Chandler and Dirk all waiting to abuse our inside, followed by Detroit & Miami, so this 3 game blip may soon just be a memory as we’re again mired in yet another losing streak.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
meh
We’re just like the Rockets, Mavs, and Hornets. We’re all playing .500 basketball right now. We’re just playing it by winning on the road.
I like our chances against anybody right now the way Luol Deng is playing.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
beating 2 completely awful teams
and another one going off the rails. Saying they’re in the same class as those teams is simply not true.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Is inconsistent play "right now" considered a class?
If so, the Bulls are in fact in the same class as Rockets, Hornets, and Mavs.
The Hornets dropped one against Minnesota too.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 2, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
inconsistent means little
the Bulls are still pretty bad, so they’re more likely to play bad than a good team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
we may have a shot
Rockets: depending who they play? but they play D no matter what, so were probably in trouble
Hornets: if they decide to let us win? if Chandler doesnt play and they dont adjust on D.
Mavs: Probably are best bet, their D isnt great and they really are inconsistent. Losses to: MEM, PHX, SAC, MIL. Wont really be surprised if they donate a game or crush us.
wins and losses
Rockets have to shoot well to win.
Hornets lost at home to the Warriors(ouch).
Mavs blow out the Bucks one night and get blown out by the Pistons the next night.
We are like these teams in that we’ve played some great games(Suns, Cavs) recently, but also had some real stinkers(Wolves, Thunder, my gawd the freaking Thunder!).
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
the mavs didnt blow out the bucks
they got blown out (lost 133-94)
CP3 injured today
sucks for the hornets and in general, very good for our chances of winning tho
No Chandler till after the AS Break.
Dionysus2.0: Why resort to name calling?
Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
Really?
I looked today and it said he was going to try to make it back for the Wednesday game…thanks again ESPN! ::shakes fist::
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
As the 3rd month of the season concludes let's look at our record:
21-27 – not that bad for a team that was supposed to only win 35-40 games this year. But we’re still pretty good right? Good enough to almost squeak into the playoffs maybe, hopefully??
Just for shits and giggles, lets go month-to-month (I don’t feel like doing real work right now):
November: (8-9)
December: (6-8)
January: (7-9)
Going into February the Bulls are scheduled to play only 12 games in the entire month, 5 of them at home, with close away games in Milwaukee and Indiana. Combined with the All Star break, this should be a month where they regain some of their legs and look to get things gelling going into March. Why you ask?
16 games scheduled in March. 8 @ home, 8 away. Here’s a look @ some mentionable games against other Eastern Conference foes:
Away:
@ Miami
@ Orlando
@ Philly
@ Wash
@ Toronto
@ Indy
Home:
Milwaukee
Boston
Detroit
Miami
Indy
Oh and we also are scheduled to play NO & LAL @ home, but lets not get too excited about those two probably losses.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Moral of the story
because I got sidetracked during that post and that’s how it ended up so slapped together: Bulls need to capitalize on February’s relatively easy schedule and lack of games by practicing (anyone know if they still, you know, do that?) and resting/hopefully making a trade or two and then charge into the postseason race as maybe one of those ‘teams nobody wants to play right now’ seeds.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
"supposed to only win 35-40 games this year"
yeah?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Well, according to
your “half-arsed” preview, should they get the 7th seed, based on last year’s final results, would put them right between 35-40 wins.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 2, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
that was assuming the east would be better
so I had them at 43 wins, and that was thinking Rose would have more growing pains than he is.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
smart money had the bulls winning 38.
i hope and pray they can squeeze another 4 games out of the lighter schedule and win 42 and make the 8th seed. if they just would have won 3 of the bulls bad games along the way over the past month like Memphis, milwaukee, OKC. those were wins. Then more recently we gave away a win at NY, minn, atl. 6 gmaes. if we win 4 of those 6 The Bulls are easily looking at 42-45 wins due to the easing up of the schedule as you describe.
But i sense more growing pains. Gooden is going to come back and tyrus or Noah will play one bad quarter cuz they are young and find themselves in a minutes crunch with gooden. Same will happen to Thabo with Noc. 1 bad game and he will prolly bury thabo for another month.
However, If…If…Big if…. Vinny wasn’t such an impatient POS and he just plays Thabo 25-30 mpg. And Tyrus 25-30 mpg. and Noah 20-25 mpg (if not in foul trouble). and if he keeps finding 10-15 mpg for Gray. And if he limits Gooden to 20-25 mpg. and if he limits Noc to 10-12 mpg. and if he uses Kirk strictly as a back up PG 80% of the time while only giveing Kirk 20 mpg-15 at PG. and if vinny limits Gordon to 32 mpg we just might win that 42-44 game aftyer all.
and yes…be that team no one wants to face…but alas if it cleveland or Boston or Orlando…i just dont think it will matter much…either can sweep us or send us home 4-1.
Even though the celts stomped us. They might be our best shot. 1st because they already peaked. 2nd cuz they might have lost a bit of hunger. 3rd cuz they are the oldest and most likely to suffer and injury to either Pierce or Garnett. either goes down and we wil beat them handedly.
And with the #1 overall player, possibly ROY
I don’t think adding 2-4 more wins compared to last year’s record is that big of a stretch.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 2, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
And what part of this should be regarded as positive?
With all those picks for eight years we’re fighting to get to .500?
by hhirb on Feb 2, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no kidding.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I love the spin of "Hey, no one expected them to be that good anyways"
I guess if you put together a shitty team, it’s OK if no one expected you to be any good anyways. This is Pax’s 6th year, and he’s responsible for acquiring every player on this roster.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
He's responsible for making up the team, he's not responsible for playing.
Also, he’s not even responsible in dictating the starting lineups, or player development, so bashing him for being responsible for every player in this roster is kind of unwarranted.
It’s a group effort, my friend.
Excuse me, if he hires the coaches and chooses the players
he’s responsible for everything! If all these “character” guys can’t get it together, whether it be coaching or attitude, the GM (unless Reinsdorf is dictating it all) has to take the blame.
Somebody needs to be held accountable
And Pax brought in every player and coach on this roster, so that’s as good a place as any to start. That is, if the Bulls actually care about winning. Apparently being a “great person” is all Reinsdorf looks for in a GM.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Benny?
Did Benny the Bull get in trouble again?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I wasn't trying to be overly positive with my post
just simply saying that if we want to take advantage of a relatively easy schedule in hopes that we make the playoffs in the shitty Eastern conference, now is the time to do so.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
eh, this team hopefully is starting to heat up
1 1/2 games out of a playoff seed isn’t too bad considering how bad this team has looked in some games
Erm, well if we are going to call Milton Bradley nicknames, mine is Fischer Price: yes, you heard it here first..
I think this team motto is
“On any given night”
And they “players” take security and refuge in this motto. Which has existed for years now.
On any given night the Chicago Bulls can elevated their game and play like a very good team, but not consistently.
It seems they are afraid of the responsibliity of consistency, continued hard work, team dedication and unselfishness and would rather occasionaly find fault with playing time, the coaching staff and other reasons.
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 2, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Off topic
but i just saw this comment in an early draft board for last years draft.
if derrick rose and oj mayo go to the nba they should be late 1st round mid 2nd round .
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Vinny like some Gooden.
“If I had to speculate (when Gooden would return)—I don’t know this—I’m hoping for Dallas (on Saturday),” coach Vinny Del Negro said after practice. “He’s feeling better but still not there yet.”
yeah, one of the things i read
speculated that he’d be out at least another week.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I hope they don't start him...
He would fit better with Nocioni and Hinrich comming off the bench.
by ImmanuelKant on Feb 2, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
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