Trade Deadline Kirk Hinrich Thread
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 AM CST
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UPDATE: Wolves make a minor deal with 2 of their expirings, sending Booth and McCants to the Kings. Obviously this reduces their options in a Kirk swap.
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Chad Ford: Sources close to both the Bulls and the Timberwolves told ESPN.com late Wednesday night that Kirk Hinrich trade talks had fallen apart.
Sources differ on what happened. One source insists that, with the Kings trade, Bulls GM John Paxson felt his team had made enough moves.
Chicago instead will look to move Hinrich this summer, when his trade value will be higher, the Bulls believe.
Another source says the Wolves’ unwillingness to include their first-round pick killed the deal. A third says the Wolves insisted on excluding Jason Collins from the deal and instead wanted the Bulls to take a combo of Brian Cardinal and Mark Madsen, two players with a full year left on their contracts. Finally, two of the three sources said there was still a small possibility that trade talks could be rekindled Thursday.
Carter
Sources say the Wolves are pursuing several other smaller deals with their two expiring contracts — Collins and Rashad McCants.
Kirk w/ Hughes to NY?
Guard Larry Hughes — who the Bulls have been trying to trade for a month — didn’t make the trip to Milwaukee and rumors circulating Wednesday night had them talking to the New York Knicks about a deal with the principles being Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich and Knicks power forward David Lee.
John Jackson
(h/t realgm)
i dont buy this at all
hughes not travelling is to me a non-issue; he hasn’t played or even been active in weeks. and i dont see any way that a team desperately seeking 2010 cap room takes on hinrich
Now that's a trade
I could live with….not this stupid Minnesota trade. Kirk’s too good for a pure salary dump, especially for a really crappy salary dump like what was proposed yesterday.
Kirk and something for a real player, sure, but not Kirk for complete crap just to rid us of his salary…..if that’s the offer now, we wait until after the year and make a much better trade.
Nice to see reports on ESPN that Bosh thinks Chicago is his favorite destination….
it's not about winning the trade
it’s about helping the team. If having ‘nothing’ helps more than ‘value’ (value still means some cost), then isn’t it worth doing?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
you mean
like when I said not to sign Deng to a bloated contract this summer?
oh ok
you’re right. his 15 PER has helped us get to 24-30
Damn, if only you had told us over the summer
Deng would have been traded for Carmleo.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
If Deng turns out to be a 15 PER player for the rest of his contract then you are right
But I don’t see much reason to think that will happen.
not sure I remember anything you've said
I don’t keep score.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
What are the Bulls going to do w/ Lee, Noah, Tyrus, and Miller? Massive frontcourt glut
If they give up Hinrich to get Lee, they’ll be in a position to resign Lee but that puts them right back into a situation of watching BG go.
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is there another reason?
This from realgm
The Suns and Grizzlies were still discussing an Amare Stoudemire trade on Wednesday.
Phoenix was trying to acquire Rudy Gay, Hakim Warrick, Mike Conley and a 2009 first-round pick for Stoudemire.
Memphis declined the Suns’ attempts again.
What are the odds we didn’t do the Hinrich trade because Stoudemire is still available and maybe we’re going to see if that’s still possible? Would the Bulls do Noah + Tyrus + Hinrich for Stoudemire or is that giving up too much?
unless we can swing a three way with Portland and RLEC
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Unless we get some expirings
for Hinrich.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
i don't like how quiet these threads have been
i’m not looking forward to gordon, hinrich, hughes, thabo, and salmons fighting to the death over minutes. and i’m especially not looking forward to vinny trying to juggle minutes again. someone give us expirings for hinrich. please.
well don't worry
hughes and thabo probably won’t play
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
more like Hughes is no longer actually playing on this team.
Salmon and Thabo give vinnie a 2/3 combo that should back up Gordon/Deng.
KC Johnson just reported
that Kirk is safe with the bulls for now. But they will look to trade him in the offseason.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
at even lower value
I really do not get the Bulls assumption that they’ll get more in the offseason. It’ll certainly be harder to get ’09 money off the books in the offseason as opposed to right now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I dont get that either
move him now and then you don’t have to worry about it. Teams are going to be even extra worried about taking on salary in the 09 offseason
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please define what this "value" is
no one wants an average pg making 10 mill a year for the next 4 years. please don’t devolve into an espn analyst screaming that the bulls “should trade for a post player” when there are no post players out there.
I think that just means
they aren’t getting anything resembling value for him now. The Minnesota rumors back that up.
link?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
no i just heard it on the radio on the way to class
on espn 1000. waddle and silvy had an interview.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
gotcha
thanks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Chad confirms
Chicago instead will look to move Hinrich this summer, when his trade value will be higher, the Bulls believe.
although, last night
should’ve been the ultimate showcasing game for Kirk. How could the Wolves not want that?!? (sarcasm obviously)
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Why is that sarcasm?
If I was on the cusp of trading for Kirk and watched him put on a shooting/defensive display like last night, it would certainly push me.
it's sarcasm
only based on last night’s performance. It’s not like Kirk’s gonna do that every game.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
For the first half of every year,
they could put out constant trade rumors with his name in them, offering to trade him for everything from a 2nd round draft pick to Malik Rose. That should motivate him.
In all seriousness, though, they were clearly motivated to trade for him before that game. Proving that he’s still got the talent and a decent ceiling can’t hurt. Probably won’t tip them into adding a 1st round pick unfortunately.
yep, i agree
i fail to see how this deal “fell through”
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Rashad McCants traded
to Sacramento with Calvin Booth for Shelden Williams and Bobby Brown
Could potentially be the final nail in the Hinrich to Minnesota coffin. Cardinal/Collins would still work, but all signs pointing to Kirk staying.
That sucks big time
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
just beat me :-)
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/19/764213/wolves-send-booth-mccants
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
i think stacey
wore that joke to the ground during our 2 game vs the kings…
ahh wat the hell.. lol lol lol
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
Cardinal and Collins won't work
Pushes the Bulls into Lux tax. They are $200,000 away right now. Which is also why they can’t do the Mike James/Etan Thomas trade for Hughes with the Wizards. Bulls needed Mccants b/c they would’ve shaved a million or so off this years salary with a Cardinal or Collins and Mccants trade.
wouldn't it work if we gave them thabo too?
thabo seems even more useless now with salmons on board
Nope.
According to the Trade Machine, we’d be taking on about $560K in that deal. If we are only about $200K from the tax line, we’re still over. Also, that’d be giving up two assets just for cap relief and a draft pick — we’re not that desperate.
Good point.
We could throw in Gray, but we’re still way over. Personally, I think it might be worth it to pay the tax this year (and forgo the profit sharing, etc. — I mean, really, how big is that going to be this year anyway?) to get out from Kirk’s contract, provided that the Wolves acquiesced to our draft-pick demands. The pick plus the cap relief would mean not having to worry about the tax in the future.
Its not profit sharing, its tax sharing
all of the tax that gets paid to the league gets split between the teams that don’t pay the tax.
Just doing some quick math, based on the payrolls in espn’s trade machine, the luxury tax payment will be about $4.8 mil per team, to 22 of the teams in the league.
--Torch
"GM John Paxson felt his team had made enough moves..."
When did he wake up from his semi-retirement…
Oh… Kirk name was being mentioned in a Trades..
Paxson .. awakes and says
“Oh Hell Naw”
“You wouldn’t let me sign D’Antoni”
“You traded away my Red Bull (Noc) without my consent”
“You wouldn’t let me stay in my office during Red Kerr’s half time presentation.. Vinny didn’t have too attend”
“Gar, Dorf you aint trading Kirk!”
Thats it.. Kirk aint going nowhere!
man up!
lol @ imagining Pax saying "oh hell naw"
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I like how Pax has degraded to the point of a shadowy destructive element
I thought that was Jim Paxson :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Not much to show so far
for this “trading season.”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Are you kidding?
We were in a 3-team, 5-player deal where we unloaded one of our worst contracts and all of our expirings, getting a post scorer and another contract that expires next year (another year where teams will be frantically trying to cut salary, maybe even moreso than this year).
Considering that lots of teams that have been discussing deals didn’t pull off anything to really improve themselves or use their big assets (as of this post, at least — it’s still a bit early I guess) — and I’m talking NYK, Portland, Dallas, and the Cavs, mostly — I’d say we did pretty well for ourselves.
Brad Miller
is a post scorer now? did you watch this team cerca 2000?
I just realized that you might have meant the league-wide trading season, not just the Bulls' perspective.
In which case, I agree: it’s been a bit underwhelming.
No I meant the Bulls
These moves mean we might get to .500.
ZZZZZZZZZ
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
this is a young team
did you really expect to contend this year? trying to contend this year wouldn’t have even been smart; we should build around rose and try to be a contender when he’s in his prime.
nice lazy espn analysis of the bulls trade too: “well we might get to 500.” not every trade should clearly be made to blow things up or to turn you into a title contender. takes more than one move to get into contention, and shedding nocioni’s contract for anything remotely usable was a helluva deal
Were you expecting this team to get to the fourth seed or something?
Even if we pulled off the Amare trade, we weren’t going to be contending for the championship any time soon. And even before the Miller/Salmons trade, we were looking good to make the playoffs this year (according to Hollinger’s Playoff Odds and Power Rankings). I’d say this trade makes those odds go up, and puts us in a better position for next year and moving forward. That’s really all anyone should have been expecting.
After ten years of rebuilding with all sorts of high draft picks
you would expect a lot more than what we’re talking about with this group.
You need another All Star type (or two) in addition to Rose to seriously compete.
Otherwise, we’re the Clippers!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
Question: If the Blazers are far enough under the salary cap this summer...
….to absorb Hinrich’s entire salary and still be under (even if by $1), and yet the Bulls are still over the cap, do they need to match salaries still?
I can’t remember if one team or both teams have to be under so that they don’t match salaries?
Basically, could something like Hinrich and 1st round pick for Rudy Fernandez even be possible if the Blazers only have $40 million committed to next season?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
$40 million is partly pulled out of my bum just to make sure they were under.
According to Shamsports.com, they’ll be at $44.5 w/o Webster’s money but with two nonguaranteed contracts, and that includes Steve Blake’s $4 million, which I’d think they’d surely wave if they were getting back Hinrich. They should still be under enough to take on Hinrich’s $9.5 million. I don’t know.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
yeah I think they'd still have room for a straight-up Blake-Hinrich swap
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking of a similar deal except moving Deng instead of Kirk
Move Kirk and let BG walk, give Salmons plenty of minutes and shots to make him want to use the ETO for a bigger contract and cap space galore with Rose/Rudy/Tyrus/Noah
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I doubt it
At this point i think he would refuse that on principle.
::crickets::
Kirk Hinrich is made of fucking Teflon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Good Thing
That I remembered to stop my “Amare Stoudemire Traded to the Bulls” post that was scheduled to go through at 2. Did that one with 6 minutes to spare.
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That performance last night
‘reminded’ the front office of the potential he has.
This was the best line of the day though. You should add that to your sig.
And there's the deadline.
Kirk has either been traded or is staying for the season now. Let’s wait and see.
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link?
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start providing links.
or say ‘my sources’ so we can at least have a laugh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
wow, what a scoop
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
It was from Blazers fans.
I assume Jason Quick was the one who said it.
But ESPN 2 slammed it down.
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Blonde Chick on ESPN News is the one talking about the rumor.
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I keep hitting refresh like a mad-man
hoping that one of these times I’ll see a “Hinrich has been moved” headline…DAMN YOU PAXSON!!
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No Sefolosha for Lowry swap.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
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John Paxson to have a Press Conference
Turn on the radio. Might be on Bulls.com too.
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Kirk Hinrich-The Teflon Don
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
Guy on RealGM says Thabo is gone.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=883495
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interesting
I’ll believe it when I hear it.
Damn…I just created a fanshot but it disappeared after about a minute or so. I’m thinking it was Matt…maybe he is in the midst of making a new post, and referencing the same information…sneaky bastard!!
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i doubt it's anything big
it’s usually hard to keep anything big under wraps; if true it’s probably just a cost-cutting move
It's not for Lafrentz I would assume.
The Blazers Edge twitter says that KP made no trades.
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Marc Stein getting ready to update on ESPN
Looks like it involves the Bulls based on the preview of the cut in.
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Sefolosha traded to the THunder for a draft pick!
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Man, I liked Thabo.
The Thunder is rapidy becoming my favorite team. I wonder i they’ll go super-small -ball, thatd be nice. Thabo/Durant/Green/Westbrook/ … errr … slash bad shooting guard. Or slash BG after the offseason!
That’s nt going to happen though, and Thabo won’t play at all. Woo spot backup minutes.
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But.
Thabo wasn’t going to get minutes over here at all, so I’m glad he gets a chance to play somewhere.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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Triple post!
[Even if it is spot backup minutes.]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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Holy shit
John Paxson was a busy dude this week.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
But no Amare : (
Unless that one still has to be announced….
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Yeah.........probably not
It’s the best alternative to landing Stoudemire….clearing space so they can go after him or Bosh in a year and half.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'd bet Bosh will be available this time next year if not sooner and the Bulls will have all those nice expiring contracts
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