Larry Hughes dealt to the Knicks
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:57 PM CST
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I'll update this post with hot Larry Hughes dumpage info. Please help by doing some legwork in the comments.
UPDATE2: KC is confirming the trade as done: Hughes for James, Thomas, and Anthony Roberson.
UPDATE: Stein (and KC) have Hughes heading to the Knicks for Jerome James and Tim Thomas, both 2010 deals. Chad Ford is confirming it in his chat, though it'd be better if a non-ESPNer did so.
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The prevailing rumors seem to be
Hughes to Washington for Etan Thomas and Mike James
or
Hughes to the Knicks for Malik Rose and Jerome James
--Torch
One big problem
with both of those trades is that we creep into the tax this year in both cases, as we’re taking back more money in both trades
--Torch
trade thabo with hughes then
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/19/763845/more-on-the-bulls-kings-de#12329748 (just take out thabos min from rotation, that was a mistake)
You wont go over the luxury tax, we get expirings this year (to sign gordon) knicks get expirings in 2010 (to get lebron) win/win…..trade hinrich in the offseason for something else of value (yea…actual value) and i think its a good plan….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
throw in aaron gray to the knicks and your only taking 300,000 more back
love knicks trade as this means we probably try to resign BG
....
Chris Sheridan: I have one very plugged-in source telling me that the Knicks still have a “slim but possible” chance of landing Larry Hughes, while another source was equally emphatic in saying he expects the Bulls to keep Hughes in mothballs now that they’ve dropped some $200,000 under the luxury tax threshold via the Brad Miller/John Salmons deal.
I’m told the Knicks would have been willing to give Chicago Jared Jeffries and Malik Rose for Hughes, but the Bulls would not do that now because they’d be taking on $13.7 million in salary and sending out only $12.8 million, putting them back in tax territory. Chicago also would go back into tax territory if it did the rumored Hughes deal with Washington for Etan Thomas and Mike James, so that one looks dead, too.
My two cents on the Vince Carter thing: Rod Thorn drives a hard bargain, and he usually holds firm at the deadline until the other guy decides whether to blink. Two years ago, he wouldn’t send Jason Kidd to the Lakers unless they sent Andrew Bynum back. Last year, he wanted two unprotected No. 1s along with Devin Harris from the Mavs, and he got them. And on this one, my gut tells me that if Thorn can get the Blazers to give him Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a bunch of those extra second-round picks the Blazers are holding (their own, New York’s and Denver’s in 2009; their own and the Bulls’ in 2010) along with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, the Nets will go for it.
Rod Thorn is nuts
Why would Portland do that VC-trade??
why would the Mavs do that Kidd trade??
swing for the fences
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that turned out well for them...
Dallas was a team with a closing window.
Portlands is just opening in my opinion. They don’t need a primadonna who’s about ready to retire.
...
And two league sources said a nearly completed deal sending Larry Hughes to the Knicks for Malik Rose and Jerome James fell apart Wednesday.
The Knicks haven’t had a shooting guard since trading Jamal Crawford earlier this season, but they were close to a deal Wednesday with the Bulls for Larry Hughes, who can play the position.
According to several league sources, the Knicks were planning to send Malik Rose and his expiring contract, worth $8 million, as part of the deal. The rest of the players heading to Chicago were unknown, although people close to the Knicks and David Lee said he was not going to be traded by today’s 3 p.m. deadline.
Trading unused guard Larry Hughes remains a possibility. If nothing better comes along, the Bulls may accept a deal with Washington for forward Etan Thomas and guard Mike James. Hughes was not with the team Wednesday in Milwaukee.
Malik Rose's 7 mil contract would come off the books
Which gives us the option to re-sign Gordon. I think the Bulls are making the right decision here – pass it up and use Larry’s contract to try to get a bigger name next year.
The trade with
Malik and Jerome might have fallen apart because the Knicks probably wanted the Bulls to take Jeffries instead of Jerome. That would put them near the Luxury Tax. I can’t see the Washington trade happening because Etans trade kicker would also put the Bulls near the tax.
Yeah, the Bulls can't take Jeffries
I’ll saw a prayer that the Knicks relent and offer James (whose contract will also come off the cap next year if he retires, so it’d be a heck of a swap).
Actually, I’d be happy to throw them the Thabo bone if that’d get it done. With Salmons in the fold, he’s pretty much dead to us anyway.
Right.
Something along the lines of James, Rose and Roberson for Hughes and Thabo is pretty much a wash financially. What about swapping Hughes, Sefo, Salmons (not sure how trade exceptions work) for Rose, James and Jeffries. The Bulls lose the chance that Salmons might opt out but save $14 next year. The Knicks pay an extra $14 million next year, but they’ll probably get Salmons averaging 20+ ppg next year and he’d almost surely take his ETO.
The Bulls doing this would depend on how much they want to keep Ben Gordon.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
ugh...
The Bulls would lose all their back-up SF. Never mind. Throw in Aaron Gray and Lindsey Hunter for Wilson Chandler?
Rose/Hinrich
Gordon/Hinrich
Deng/Chandler
Thomas/Noah
Noah/Miller
I’d roll w/ that for the next two years. Throw in a SG/SF/PF draft pick or something.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Salmons
can not be traded again in package.
by J Theory on Feb 19, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It could work out as a combination of deals though
For some reason, I don’t think Salmons stays. Just a feeling though. Absolutely no sources, links, etc.
The trade for the Wizards Etan and Mike
can still happen if they work out a deal where Washington gives the Bulls cash to cover the trade kicker for Etan.
Is Jerome James even capable of playing at this point?
He’s so out of shape that I imagine he’d get hurt after about 5 minutes on the court.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
He says he can play
but the Knicks won’t play him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
nope
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
James has a ruptured achilles. Try playing with that.
Dionysus2.0: Why resort to name calling?
Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
Trade Hughes to the Nets
If Paxson can’t get expiring contracts for Hughes, then he should try to trade him to the Nets for Bobby Simmons. If the Bulls have to take Sean Williams, too, then so be it. The Bulls would save $783,481 for the 09-10 season.
Bulls need
Someone to ride the pine — Aaron Gray will get lonely otherwise.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
Considering the source
I’ll believe it when I see it. Has SAS ever broken anything? (besides eardrums)
its a reunion?
??
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Chat with Ford
Da Bulls!!!!!!!!, Chitown, IL: Any chance of the Bulls moving Larry Hughes before 3:01?
Chad Ford: (12:57 PM ET ) They’ve had talks recently with the Knicks about several different scenarios. They also explored some scenarios with Houston I’m told.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=25146
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
I like just about everybody
on the Rockets team, so i’d be happy to see that.
Rockets?
Any chance of the Bulls moving Larry Hughes before 3:01?
Chad Ford: (12:57 PM ET ) They’ve had talks recently with the Knicks about several different scenarios. They also explored some scenarios with Houston I’m told.
Wizards officially say no
I just spoke with someone familiar with the situation in Chicago and it is their belief that the Wizards have told the Bulls that they are not interested in an Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes swap…
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Hughes is not a Bull anymore!!!
670 just reported he is gone to NY for Tim Thomas and James.Not confirmed by bulls yet.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
wow
so Tim Thomas is back?? This is crazy.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Can you imagine being Tim Thomas and watching the Bulls trade for you twice
just to tell you that they didn’t want you to play basketball at all? I’d roll into the Berto Center matrix style looking to have a little talk with all of upper management.
It's live from Berto...So no link yet.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
update
KC is now saying the same thing
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hughes could be moving to New York for James and former Bull Tim Thomas.
He’s confirming that they’re talking, not that a trade is done.
I didn't say that he confirmed that the trade was done
learn to read. I said KC is saying the same thing they are.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Aza said 670 reported that he's gone, and your link didn't corroborate that.
Learn how to not be a dick, dick
stop being an ass idiot
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh
Last time I checked,
reported he is gone to NY for Tim Thomas and James
and
KC is now reporting the same thing
meant
reported he is gone to NY for Tim Thomas and James
but your link didn’t say that, did it? Who’s the “ass idiot” now, dick?
by NittanyCub on Feb 19, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It confirms you have no idea what you're talking about
You’re not giving anything of your side of the story, just calling me an asshole, which is pretty much saying that I’m right.
You’re not smart at things.
calling you an asshole
only says that your an asshole, nothing else…this is fun…remind me to get some treats for you, I’ve always wanted a little puppy
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
You're just further proving I was right.
Thanks! Lets completely disregard the fact that you lost this argument and resorting to personal insults, which is always fun behind a computer.
i'm done with u now
you’ve managed to amuse me
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I've looked over the evidence of this argument....
and NittanyCub, you’re the idiot and the asshole. Don’t unleash that combination again.
And your profile picture is a freaking dog.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Noc to Celtics???That would be something!.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well with James it doesn't really matter, I think he's out for the year anyway
With Thomas, I can’ t believe we’re gonna go through this all over again…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really understand this trade
What positive does this gain for the team? I can only think of the Bulls being accommodating to Hughes finding a place to actually play.
That's what I'm thinking
At least the Hughes era will be gone with the wind for the Bulls. Thank God for that
Those Knicks have great management
they are willing to pay Hughes large amounts to play shitty and willing to pay Starbury even more to not play even though he is probably better than Larry the Chucker
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
the bulls would pay about $500,000 less
for Thomas and James in each of the next 2 seasons than they would if they kept (keep) Hughes. So the trade is a money saver
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think there is a gain, probably more of a negative than anything
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Scowling Scott
isn’t the coach. It seems like it’s just a trade to satisfy Hughes. Maybe James injury will make that salary disappear. It’s a head scratcher either way.
yea whats wrong with malik rose?
ANd then you give away thabo too…i mean…..all problems solved no?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
this seems like a dumb deal
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yea i dont want a pf
that think he can actually play…give me the guys with no per and negetive per any day….they wont play, we wont play them, they can go to hell, we can move on…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
why?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think you meant
Dumb Deal. Gay Trade
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
It gets rid of a player who really doesn't want to be here.
For two players, with equal length contracts. Having two smaller expirings gives us more flexibility for dealing next year.
and Jerome James is an NBA player. There is always the chance he does something stupid like opting out.
Chicago Bulls Blog anf Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
I think Jerome James is out for the year with and Tim Thomas is another guy that doesn't want to be here
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
There's no one on the Knicks that Thomas can resent
Thomas on Phili – resented AI, WIz Gilbert, Cleveland Lebron, Bulls Derrick.
Who is going going to take shots away from on this team cause he doesnt respect that he is not the best player, Al Harrington?
Hughes to New York
Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.
It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
Trying to nail it all down for you.
POSTED: Feb. 19 — 12:03 p.m. ET
That's not official, it's still speculation
It saves some money, but frankly Tim Thomas might be even more vocal in his quest for playing time, and he’s someone that could steal frontcourt minutes.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
can we give oklahoma thomas
and take malik rose instead….can we also throw thabo in for some draft picks????
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
That makes so much more sense
for the Bulls. How is Thomas not as much of a malcontent at Hughes? Isn’t it inevitable that if VDN plays him, that he gets inserted in the 4th for “spacing”?
Please let’s save our coach from himself.
Chad Ford live chat right now
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:16 PM ET ) Hold on for a second, have to take this call
Derek from Detroit: IS IT THE KNICKS MAKING A DEAL????
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:22 PM ET ) Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
chad ford says it's done
Chad Ford: (1:22 PM ET ) Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
wow, I'm so happy I read this thread
not that I’m excited about the trade… I see it as pretty blah… but it was cool seeing this thread update as the deal occurred
Ok, so who's on this roster right now.......
Rose, Hinrich, Gordon, Salmons, Roberson, Tim Thomas, Jerome James, Brad Miller, Gray, Tyrus, Noah, and Lindsey Hunter.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
It must be the fourth quarter because you left out Luol Deng
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Ronald Reagan
by snley on Feb 19, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
And Thabo!
I hate foreigners.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Roberson?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
So we now have one million guards.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
We always have
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Feb 19, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
hard to see why we'd include Roberson considering he adds $219,000 to the Bulls salary
does that put us over the LT or right up against it?
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
With both Tyrus Thomas and Tim Thomas on the roster
what would their jerseys have on them? First and middle initials?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 19, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
i hope
one of their middle initials is “I”
we could just call one of them TIT
by M 80 on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The good Thomas is Tyrus Wayne Thomas
and the bad Thomas is Timothy Mark Thomas.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 19, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Tyrus stays Thomas
and Tim becomes T. Thomas
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Feb 19, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
In LA Clippers
Both Ricky Davis and Baron Davis just say “DAVIS” on their jersey, so it’ll probably be the same. My guess is that they won’t even make one for Timmy Tim Tim and send him packing again. Although I think that was a Skiles move back then. Vinny might treat it differently.
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
It could easely go -3...or so.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
he already is Amare light if he gets the touches.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Chad Ford just said trade agreed to (in his chat)
Hughes for Tim Thosam and Jerome James!
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
It saves money
But I hate it.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Tim Thomas is annoying because he’s talented, and knows it. He won’t shut up about lack of PT.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
indeed
i wish we couldve thrown thabo in, my concept was if we throw both thabo and hughes we get rid of our guard glut AND save money…plus i wanted players in the front court that wouldnt ever play….to me tim thomas seems like the opposite….maybe the bulls make one more trade toda y…..they got time…
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Hah - I should know better than to try posting breaking news with my crappy dialup connection
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
people still use dial up?
oh your joking right, you must be joking….please tell me your joking
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Waiting for reply...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
heh....
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
You try living in a rural area on a starving grad student budget!
Hi-speed’s available, but my best option would still be $60 a month, and I get crappy dialup for practically free.
Besides we’re set at school, so I have a good connection when I’m there – but I can’t sit in my office and do NBA trade deadline stuff because of appearances – I’m suppose to “focused” or something. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I miss the modem noise.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 19, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Great trade
LOL at Tim Thomas coming back here!
But seriously, Jerome James is effectively an expiring contract (tore his achilies, will be bought out, contract paid mostly by insurance, won’t count against cap or luxury tax) so this is a great thing. Absolutely superb trade for the Bulls.
right.
what’s the amount of time he has to be unable to play? I assume any retirement would only have an effect on the ’09 payroll, not immediate reimbursement.
Plus I think that’s just insurance cash, it would not affect cap or tax calculations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be better for the team to have him in a RLEC situation next year?
They’ll have plenty of expiring contracts at the end of next season to deal, but any way to sweeten the pot and get Bosh/Amare in a Bulls uniform by this time next year
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maybe.
like I said, depends how desperate ‘dorf wants the insurance money. I don’t think this can work like the Kings did with Abdur-Rahim where they chop a year off the cap, James hasn’t been inactive as long and only has one more year on his deal
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Answers
1. Insurance starts to pay after 41 consecutive games.
2. The Bulls can apply for a medical retirement and have James taken off the books 1 year after his injury was sustained. I think he got hurt last month, so that means they apply next January. However, assuming it’s approved, he comes off the books for the entire 2009-2010 season.
So they get both actual money and cap relief.
by Sports2 on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's fantastic!
how do you know all this stuff?
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think Sports2 is
my new favorite BaB member to read
appreciated :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
interesting
so the Bulls could assume they’ll get the cap relief in January and project their payroll that way. But would they take that risk?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'd guess it's a pretty sure thing
But they can always use it as leverage I suppose.
Thing is, it won’t be much leverage since any offer at all would put them over the LT for Gordon (barring any other moves). So I think if it’s anything it’s just an excuse to let him walk while still actually having the space to keep him.
yeah
they really suck, don’t they :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
OK fine
but now don’t we just have the Larry Hughes situation all over again with Tim Thomas?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
exactly.
plus say this for Larry: he still thinks he can contribute. Thomas doesn’t care.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
OK I feel even better now.Good job Gar.
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Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Is this prorated?
Do the Bulls have to pay the fraction of James’ and Thomas’ salary for this year that they’re with the Bulls now?
pay a fraction, yes
but the tax calculation is based on the total payroll figure.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Please tell me this is a joke
TIM THOMAS?! There is NO basketball reason to do this trade. Why were they so hell bent on unloading Hughes?! Just send him home like they did to TIM THOMAS. Any goodwill the team had from yesterday’s trade is now long gone.
are some of you daft?
All this talk about getting ‘value’ for Hinrich, I get somewhat. But this is Larry Hughes. You’re not going to get anything. And it’s not so easy to send him home for a year and a half.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I get that.
But now do we have to send Tim Thomas home for a year and a half? That’s what I need to know.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
he's easier to buy out if it comes to that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhh.... I wonder if it will
Tim Thomas can’t be pleased
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I truly don't think he cares :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
though when they bought him out the first time
at the time they were more worried about Thomas ‘ruining’ the impressionable young players…you’d hope they’re beyond such sentiment at this point.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
i wanted the opposite of value for hughes
jerome james is fine, but really i wouldve liked malik rose coming here moreso because you know he wouldnt play, and like ive been saying, send ny thabo also to sweeten the deal and you no longer have a guard glut or add players who will play on your roster….
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'd prefer Rose too, as would the Bulls
but I’m sure if they could get that, they would.
What I wonder is if the Bulls offered to throw in Thabo, and if not: why not?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well, they already took one of our guards who plays defense but can't/won't shoot....
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
larry hughes?
he wont shoot??? i mean larry is perfect for the d’antoni system…in fact larry probably thinks that 7 seconds is way too damn long to wait before shooting…..
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wjb meant Thabo.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
oh my bad
sorry wjb..
i guess i got confused because of the “Well, they already took….” which i thought meant knicks already got one of our guards…and that was hughes…whatever…i read it wrong….
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
That was a shot at Duhon
Yeah, I see that the inner workings of my brain are completely unclear when put into English
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
no i just forgot about ol du-du
my apologies….your brain is actually working far better than my own…
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
yea that should be enough for malik at least
maybe a 2nd rounder too….then again i think you can tell thabo to sit on his ass and he wont really complain or anything….so maybe paxson thought well thabo could be useful especially if i trade kirk and ben gordon decides not to resign…..so in that light maybe thats why thabo wasnt sent…but id also think if you sent thabo and got malik rose…youd have more money to sign gordon and gordon could relax knowing theres no guard glut…
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I never expected real value in a Hughes deal. I also did not expect to get a guy who the Bulls previously sent home the same way the Bulls were about to send Hughes home. Remember that people were saying that the Bulls were going to “Tim Thomas” Hughes after the trade deadline. If the Bulls just buy him out, then I am OK with this deal. We do not need a front court stiff / malcontent competing for minutes with Tyrus and Noah.
Also, if Tim Thomas joins the team, does he have to put his full name on the back of the jersey to distinguish him from Tyrus?
by Stay Chisel on Feb 19, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
ew, good point
make sure he only wears suits :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
That Adidas Tim Thomas jersey suit is going to cost fans a fortune
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by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
how so?
won’t James and Thomas both be on the cap?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
CBA FAQ Q#53
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q53
There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team’s team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player’s entire salary for that season is removed from the team’s team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley’s entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley’s salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.
by Sports2 on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
question is
would Reinsdorf be willing to resign Gordon and go above the tax threshold in hopes that they would get this medical retirement processed?
I think it's more to do with getting further under the tax
in anticipation of next years’ lower lux-levels.
Its perfect!
They get the money and leverage against Gordon. “Well Ben, we’re just not sure if that medical retirement will go through, so we can’t risk it and pay you.”
How 'bout a buyout instead of a medical retirement?
What are the rules on buying out someone with a player option? If James has an option for $6.6M next year, couldn’t the Bulls just pay him the remainder of the $6.2M he’s owed this year and then throw in another $4M or so not to exercise the option just to clear that space next year?
No way he takes a buy out.
Guys take buy outs and concede guaranteed money because they can recoup some of it and get in a situation where they can actually play, usually for a contender or their ideal living location or for another contract. James cant do any of those things.
ESPN trade machine says James has 1 season remaining
He has this season and next season is a player option. James controls two seasons.
We net a savings of ~$480,000 this season. And about $550,000 in 09-10.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I was told repeatedly that Hughes and Nocioni had great value.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
You're not making sense.
If Hughes isn’t going to play for us anyway, we might as well deal him for financial considerations. Larry was never part of the “basketball” plan anyway.
Also, I’m sure Pax promised him he would trade him. There’s something to be said for respect and followthrough, especially since Larry has been a mostly good guy through this crappy situation (he’s a veteran player seeing the last remaining years of his playing career slip away; I wouldn’t want to sit on the bench either).
by arjoseph on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No more guard glut!
Tim Thomas was recruited / welcomed in Phoenix when VDN was there. And as pointed out above, “Scowling Scott” is no longer our coach. Tim Thomas will be good to come in and hit a three here and there, if he can get over how poorly the Skiles regime treated him.
Also, this officially balances our team out with a “glut” of big men rather than a glut of scoring guards:
C – Miller, Noah, James, Gray
PF – Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas
SF – Deng, Thabo
SG – Gordon, Salmons
PG – Rose, Hinrich, Hunter
Even if you count Thabo as more of an SG than SF, that’s 6 players at the 1 and 2, and 6 players at the 4 and 5.
Of course, this ignores the fact that James won’t be playing anytime soon. And it assumes that Roberson will never put on a Bulls uniform.
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now that it's in my face and I can see it
I still kinda feel like “meh”…still a bunch of pieces, bench players, and spare parts.
It will be gruesome interesting to see how Vinny and Co. mesh all this together.
Friday’s game will be FUGLY!
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This is actually a really athletic, young and long team,
with Brad Miller being the only NBA senior citizen (at age 33) among those logging major minutes. It’s a team that can get out on the break, finish, and should be able to rebound pretty well.
So barring some sort of locker-room-cancer-type situation (let’s hope Tim Thomas is on his best behavior), it shouldn’t be that hard to make this team mesh. I mean, it’s not like having Eddy Curry on your roster when the coach is Mike D’Antoni. Or, for that matter, it’s not like having Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Randolph and Curry on the same team and then wondering who will do the passing, rebounding and defending…
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Somehow I think (and hope in some cases) it's more likely we see the following
C – Miller/Joakim (in some order – I think there’s a chance Vinny surprises us with the chemistry the starters have had lately)
PF – Tyrus/maybe Thomas if he keeps his mouth shut and goes with the flow, otherwise lots of small ball
SF – Lu/Salmons
Guards – Derrick/Ben/Kirk – and with occasional Thabo minutes thrown in
Hunter and Gray rarely to never see the court, barring the occasional blowout. Thabo unfortunately racks up more than his share of DNP-CDs. (I don’t necessarily want him to have huge minutes, but I’d prefer a consistent 10-15 for him to a sporadic 0-5 minutes)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
And now no more Thabo! This is definitely a better balanced team
as far as gluts go.
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It's possible that another
team is interested in Tim Thomas and the Bulls are getting him just to flip him. Tim Thomas is easier to move than Larry Hughes is.
Anyone we take back
has to expire in 2010. As long as that happens we’re fine.
can we trade Thomas again?
He’s part of a multiplayer deal and this is apparently a limiter that prevents you from trading him again for 60 days. Although, maybe you can flip Thomas for one player and just not Thomas and other players to make it another multiplayer deal.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
yup, that's how it could work.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
it wouldn't be nice
because then I would feel bad that we are paying a lindsey hunter type role player 10 million
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
good idea but
I think this is carma from the big freeagent class of TMac/ Duncan. Thomas turned down more money from the Bulls to go back to Milwaukee as a 6th man. We got em back by trading for him twice only to say, go home. Ha
by Jesse07 on Feb 19, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The Bulls still haven't gotten rid of the guard glut
Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Salmons, and Thabo …way too many guards
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions
Why do people keep acting like
Salmons and Thabo don’t play SF also?
Also, Thabo got no PT for a while. No reason he can’t go back to 3 minutes a game now.
and it'd be nice if Hinrich was more of a Lindsey Hunter role then
but I doubt that will happen. Plus the Bulls have this odd idea that his value is actually going to go up this season…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
it wouldn't be nice
because then I would feel bad that we are paying a lindsey hunter type role player 10 million
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich has more than Lindsey Hunter skills
Hinrich is a positive when he’s on the floor. If he was paid half of his salary, everyone on here would be ecstatic to have him on the team. Well, the money is already committed, so as long as he’s on our team why shouldn’t he get serious time?
Assuming Thabo is the odd man out, what’s wrong with Kirk getting 20 minutes a game?
Because Gordon and Salmons play the 2?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
[And most of our PG minutes are taken by that guy ... what's his name again? ... our best player?]
[sarcasm.]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Even if they're set on not freeing Kirk
Pax can’t be attached to Salmons, and there was reportedly a ton of interest in him prior to Bulls deal – why not move him for something benchworthy and expiring?
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I'm eagerly anticipating the game
when we’re down by twenty in the fourth quarter and Thomas hits a three, then proceeds to do doing the “You can’t see me” hand gesture to the delight and horror of the crowd.
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Damn Matt..
I said my bad…u gettin no pumpum lately or sum? First my poll, now my pic. Sheeesh
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good question, I'd guess no
but what I think is possible is that the Bulls can offer a buyout AFTER James turns down his option. So they’d take a bigger hit this season but no cap implications the next one?
(but the Bulls are against the tax this season, so…)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
What makes you think that James turns down his option?
Wouldn’t he exercise it, considering he’s not good?
Buyout amounts are proportionally distributed across his remaining years
but he won’t take a buyout without first picking up his player option, so it’s a non issue.
We’ve got to be nice to him so he doesn’t try coming back darius miles style.
I mean they pay him the amount the player option would give him (or close)
but have him decline the option so they pay it in 1 year instead of two.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I agree they likely wouldn't for that very reason
just curious if it was possible. I think the Warriors did something similar with Adonal Foyle.
Anyway, thanks to your info about the medical retirement, that seems a much better option regardless.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
tim thomas is going to take min away from TT
that was the reason i loved the brad miller trade cause it got nocioni and drew gooden.
Now we can only hope tim thomas is not gonna get valuable min. Is tim thomas really the answer here? Like so what if he might help a little in the playoffs. we are better off developing tt no? :(
Tim Thomas is not getting anywhere near the floor. He'll probably be sent home ala Larry
and then bought out next year.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
What is the benefit of buying out a contract?
Does that mean we don’t have to pay the full salary in exchange for letting him choose his team?
usually you negotiate it out so that you end up paying them a little less than the value of their
deal and then they go try to sign an additional contract elsewhere. The Bulls get a little savings on actual expenditures, but the value of his contract re: the salary cap and luxury tax remains the same, even if we don’t end up paying the full value.
Sports2, correct me if I screwed any of that up.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Incorrect.
The buyout amount is what gets counted as team salary (rather than the underlying contract). Link (question 60).
If I'm reading that right, then
we can buyout Thomas now, and the cap hit will be spread out evenly over the remaining 120 or so games left on his contract, right?
That's how I read it.
I don’t know where it is in the FAQ, but I think I’ve read elsewhere (maybe from Sports2) that we pay a pro-rated portion of his contract for the rest of this season. I’m not sure if the cap hit for his buyout would be based only on the amount of the season left and then next season, or whether it would be based on his whole salary for this year, but I would guess just the remainder of this season (not the whole thing). So I agree with your 120 games reckoning.
Wouldnt be surprised if they drop him
nest week. What’s his salary?
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YESSSS, I like the shakeups.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Tech N9ne is a joke
“Well, it took almost seven months from when Rumor Press first broke the story that the Bulls may bring Brad Miller back to Chicago for Andres Nocioni”
He’s so ahead of the game, he broke the story 7 months before trade talk started!
by YaoPau on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
take it for what its worth
It gets us talking.
Vescey still finds work. :)
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think you meant
“take it 4or what its worth”
by YaoPau on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It didn't take insider knowledge to see a Miller trade coming.
Like here’s what I had in my trade deadline preview post.
The Bulls have been in trade talks with the Kings regarding Brad Miller since the summer. The Kings were reportedly interested in Drew Gooden’s expiring contract, Joakim Noah, and Tyrus Thomas. The Bulls are unlikely to make any such move. The Bulls, if they were to trade for Miller, would be doing it to help them out in 2010. A trade involving those pieces does nothing to imrove the Bulls’ 2010 situation.
I see a trade with the Kings involving Brad Miller taking one of two variations. The first variation would be a trade involving Kirk Hinrich or Andres Nocioni, maybe both in exchange for Miller. The purpose of this trade would be to make the Bulls players in 2010 free agency. This variation is the most likely in my opinion.
The second variation would be Larry Hughes and some type of sweetner for Brad Miller. With Hughes causing waves in Chicago, I don’t see why the Kings would want to deal with him.
Trading for Brad Miller is a good trade to make the Bulls players in the 2010 free agent class. The trade gives the Bulls a solid big man until 2010. This may be a fallback trade that the Bulls have on the backburner that they will make if they cannot find anything better.
http://dabullz.com/2009/02/07/breaking-down-the-2009-trade-deadline/
Still not entirely sure how we made a Brad Miller trade that gave us very little cap relief…
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I read that too.
How inane. He posts about a rumor per week. There are only so many permutations. Then…7 months later…after countless misses…he knew!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
the kings and wolves would like a word
they swapped 4 useless players this morning, including one player whose wife is better than him.
At least VDN will never have the temptation of putting Hughes in.
- Point guard
- Shooting guard
- Small forward
- Anything
Now he'll have
Tim @ the 2 and James @ the 3
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Stromile?
Trade Tim Thomas to New Jersey for Stromile Swift and his expiring contract. I’m brilliant!
yay
Send Tim Thomas home to New Jersey.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
yea id do that
i dont want a guy who thinks he can play….at all…..and the sooner the contract expires the better….
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Only if James opts out.
But I heard he has one of those contracts where insurance pays most of it. So while it won’t give us breating room cap wise, it does give us a little money relief. Not that the fans ever see that.
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so what else is possible with the Bulls come deadline time?
DO you guys think we’ll make another trade?
there's still an hour left!
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
More from Stein
POSTED: Feb. 19 — 1:17 p.m. ET
Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.
It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas and Jerome James.
Trying to nail it all down for you.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Hughes can be a dynamic scorer and fills a huge need for the Knicks in the backcourt as they continue their push toward the playoffs.
That’s exactly what the Bulls need! WHY DIDN’T WE KEEP HIM?!!! DAMN YOU PAXSON!
Because he dribbles too much
takes horrible shots. doesn’t fit into the long term plans. Wasn’t a team player. He either wanted to play 30+ minutes and start or sit on the bench. He has been quoted as saying that he plays the game for himself. When he came over here from Cleveland he said that the Cavs tried to get him to play their style, but he didn’t want to do that.
Sarcasm meter is broken
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think Nittany Cub was being sarcastic.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 19, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
You never know
Sometimes people say the most ridiculous things. Sorry bout that.
I wonder if he's being.....
sarcastic?
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
I know!
Let’s trade him to San Antonio for Oberto and Jacque Vaughn. Spurs want a big who can shoot threes.
Roberson makes 800K this year, unguarenteed salary next year
His salary doesn’t put them near the luxury tax, does it?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
I love how the Knicks take all our shit
All-Chicago Shit Team
PG Duhon
SG Crawford
SF Hughes
PF Junkyard Dawg
C Curry
by YaoPau on Feb 19, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
And we did it with and without Isiah
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think Duhon was that bad, we just didn't have any space on our roster to let him having PT
by aznsensation on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
The Knicks gave him 12 mil guaranteed.
I like the money excuse better.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Think how bad the Bulls team would be
if NY didn’t exist as a trading partner.
That's been part of the deal since the initial rumor an hour ago
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
Then we’re taking in salary in this deal.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why I'm confused as hell
And no one is mentioning his salary.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Which means something else is in the works
It has to be. Not because Pax is a savvy GM. But because Reinsdorf is a cheap owner
Even Chad Ford is glossing over Roberson
The trade is a wash financially for both teams. Hughes makes $12.8 million this year; James and Thomas make $12.2 million combined.
Love this thought though. lol.
For the Knicks, the trade is a bigger deal. Hughes can be a dynamic scorer and fills a huge need for the Knicks in the backcourt as they continue their push toward the playoffs.
It won’t be that bad since there’s so few “bad shots” in D’Antoni’s system.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
he works there if he keeps his uncharacteristically high 3P% going
(I’m guessing he doesn’t)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
the Rose bench game
They said Bulls 2nd best 3 point shooter was Hughes…Gross….
I heard that
and my roommate had to come out of his room to see why I was cursing so loud.
Whatever, he'll love his year and a half with D'Antoni
Who doesn’t give a shit about players like Hughes and just lets them do their thing for 25 minutes a game.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Only for this year...
The Knicks guys make $219,305 more this year than Larry Hughes did. Prorated the Bulls will probably only pay them $75,000 more for the rest of the season than they would have Hughes. Roberson likely comes off the books this off-season and Thomas and James make $588,668 less next year than Hughes would have.
In essence, the Bulls are paying $75K this year to save $588K next year.
Otherwise they would have come out saving nearly $750K and we all know Pax isn’t that good.
Hughes is gone!!!
Yay!
"When you fail to plan, you plan to fail." -Henry Ford
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Wonder if we are going to send Thomas home like we did last time.
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
You know
We could actually use him a lil now… Not too bad for a few emergency minutes at 3/4 as a shooter
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 19, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not with Vinny
I thought Vinny’s inability to use a 3/4 shooter responsibly is why we traded Nocioni in the first place
Do you have any belief that
VDN wouldn’t immediately put him in a Nocioni role to the detriment of both the team and Tyrus/Noah?
Tim Thomas has made
$85 million over the past nine years. Didn’t Scottie Pippen make something like $18 million in his nine years with the Bulls?
Tim Thomas is actually a genius
He made all that money by playing 2 years of decent basketball. He would show flashes of being a decent basketball player for teams in his contract year. And then when he got paid he would stop caring and just sit on the three point line and hoist up shots. Brilliant!
by paxdorf on Feb 19, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
According to
basketball-reference, Scottie Made about $32.5M from the Bulls, $11M from the Rockets, and $66.3M from the Blazers.
OT: I have no idea how contracts worked back then, but man. Scottie made more as a rookie than his next two year, then $3.4 the last of the first three-peat, then gets a pay cut to $3M, leads the team to a phantom foul call trip to the NBA Finals without Jordan and gets another pay cut to $2.2M? No wonder he didn’t tip well.
He's never needed to start. You don't have to tell him.
Rose [paraphrased]: “That’s larry … he’s not afraid to shoot it. He’ll shoot it all the time.”
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Hollinger analysis of Roberson (if anyone cares)
2007-08 season: Roberson played in Turkey and Israel last season after putting up modest numbers for Memphis and Golden State in 2005-06 and 2006-07.
Scouting report: A small, shoot-first guard, Roberson is the classic shooting guard in a point guard’s body. He can certainly score, averaging 19.4 points per 40 minutes for Golden State in 2006-07 and shooting 40 percent for his career on NBA 3-pointers, but his assist ratios were very poor.
Roberson also struggles at the defensive end, where he’s too small to offer resistance to shooting guards and not so hot at playing the ball, either. He has good quickness, though, so there’s room for improvement.
2008-09 outlook: Roberson signed a two-year deal with the Knicks worth $1.6 million and is likely to be their fourth guard in the rotation, seeing scraps of minutes behind Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon and Jamal Crawford. He’s basically a poor man’s version of Robinson, so that duplication of skills could end up costing him some playing time.
Link. His PER has always been around 11.something, but that’s in very limited playing time.
I doubt he's going to see a minute of PT unless there's an injury
Gordon, Kirk, and Rose means no need for this guy.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
hmm, shoot first, small guard
and I think we have that role taken care of
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 19, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
What about per 40 numbers
playing for Golden State?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 19, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Even Hollinger admits there are limits to that theory.
The overall per-minute aspect he stands behind, but he’s also stated that players generally play better when they have larger chunks of playing time. If a guy puts up good PER in limited minutes, you can expect him to live up to that. But a guy putting up middling PER in limited minutes might put up a better PER with more minutes, especially if he’s a shooter type who will be affected by rhythm and “warming up.”
That's the "theoretically" part
11.something is pretty bad for a guy who’s suppose to be stronger on offense than defense to start with.
And given Roberson’s history and “skills,” coupled with the variety and quantity of guards on the Bulls right now, is there any reason to believe that he’s going to get a chance at bigger minutes to test whether he’s part of that group that might have a better PER with more time?
I do realize that you acknowledged most people wouldn’t care in your post title – I was just responding to the last part you added at the bottom, because it didn’t come across clearly that you recognize PER is minutes-adjusted the way it was phrased.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
This is what Vinny has to say about Tim Thomas...
“I played with Tim for a couple years and had him in Phoenix. I didn’t have any problem with him. I enjoyed playing with him,” Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro said. “That was a long time ago. I’ll sit down and talk to Tim, tell him what I expect from him, what his role is. I expect him to be professional and go do his job. He has the ability to help us.”
What the hell
Why does Vinny always have to be teammates with the worst players?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t like the part when he says," He has the ability to help us."
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 19, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
uh oh
sounds to me like thomas is actually going to have a role. hopefully vdn tells him his role is to “wear pretty suits and collect a paycheck.”
Encouraging.
At least, from the Bulls perspective (not from Tim’s). It’s not a good sign for Tim that Vinny’s first real comment was “I didn’t have any problem with him.” Not exactly glowing. Also, the “tell him what I expect from him, what his role is” and invocations of “professional[ism]” make me think “limited minutes.”
We pray and home
that it means limited minutes….i fear otherwise….cmon half hour left….we can do one more trade….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
yeah but don't like him saying he could help us
on the other hand, they were pretending to be diplomatic the first time he was here, also.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah, I think it's just diplomacy.
Also, he said he has the “ability” to help us. It could just be a comment on his skill level, not necessarily any intention or game plan.
Tim Thomas
IF thats a BIIGGGG IFFFF, his role and minutes can be managed right, he is somebody we can use in a limited role. I dont want to get in to all the details, but a 6-10 guy who can shoot 3’s can help any team in the league if used and coached right
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 19, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why I say ship him to San Antonio
They have the leaders and coach to deal with Thomas and get the most out of him. Plus they are looking for a Big man that can shoot 3s. We can get Oberto and a scrub for Thomas and actually save about a million dollars for this season.
cant do a group deal
one to one trade is all you can do…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I thought it was one to many
We could do Thomas + Thabo for (insert other team’s package), but we could do Thomas for (insert other team’s package).
Is it 1-to-1, or is it just “by himself” from our side?
--Torch
huh, yea i think your right
i was mistaken….then yea lets do this san antonio thing, i mean…we have a half hour before the deadline…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Deal
You can’t package Thomas with another player, but you can take back multiple players. See proposed Noc to Boston deal.
by peruvianidol on Feb 19, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
It works with....
Thomas to Spurs. Jacque Vaughn and Tim Thomas to Bulls. Anyone got Pax’s number?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
This involves the OKC deal and NYC deals that already happened.
What's the over/under
on when Paxson or Vinny Del Negro tell Tim Thomas to stop showing up
About the time VDN learns to coach
especially if the rumors about pax leaving are true
I am still in shock
I still cant believe we managed to get rid of Noc, Larry, and Gooden…. I almost dont care if we got peanuts for them.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 19, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions
Yeah...
they have NO guaranteed contracts for that off-season. Though they do have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries with about $18M in player options that they’d be stupid to not exercise, and about $5.5M in options for Gallinari and Chandler. Depending on what they do with David Lee and Nate Robinson they should have anywhere from $23M to $35M in cap space to go all out for LBJ and guest.
Something that might be interesting though is the news that next years Salary Cap will actually be $1Mish lower than this season because the cap number is based on league revenue. With the economy just now beginning to go under the league probably hasn’t felt the effects fully. Next season’s revenues could be so shot that the following season’s cap could drop another couple mil or more. Would all the guys really opt out or hold on for an extra year to see if there’s more money to go around in 2011? Even a $1M drop in cap space means there’s about $30M less to go around, imagine what a $2M-$5M drop would do?
Plus the Phantom Contracts
Every team has to have at least 12 players count against the salary. If a team doesn’t have enough players to fill that quota than “Phantom contracts” of about 473,604. Check out this article on ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Knicks2010-090217
Jerome James
Man, looking at this guy’s stats, Tim Thomas looks like a fuckin’ bargain.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesje01.html
How’d he ever sucker anyone into paying him to play basketball? He’s made over $20 mil over the past four years playing barely more than a full season of basketball.
And he did it all based on ONE good stretch of playoff basketball
Not even a full season, two weeks!! Isiah Thomas is just too magnificent for words.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Against Brad Miller, who was just coming off a broken leg
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
That's how I remember it too
But looking at the playoff stats…12.5 pts, 6.8 boards? Really?
by peruvianidol on Feb 19, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
In 27 minutes
Maybe it was the 99 playoffs when he posted a PER of 44.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even think PER was invented yet!
He could have been overpaid much, much sooner.
by peruvianidol on Feb 19, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what you're talking about.
Dude put up a 45 PER last year. That’s got to be some kind of record. His true shooting percentage was OVER 100%.
Steal of the day, IMO.
by arjoseph on Feb 19, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let us see how the team performs. I am happy that some deals were done.
I am waiting like a child on Christmas day to get some games under my belt. I want to see how they play with Rose and if it will impact his game.
VDN
is going to be soooo confused now that we have all of these new players. Can you imagine his rotations?
Nah.
Miller, Salmons, Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Rose, TT, Noah in the primary rotation. Occasional minutes for Thabo, maybe a few minutes for Tim and Gray in blowouts. Everyone else sits.
exactly
you could work it the following way:
PG-Rose 30-35 mins
SG- Gordon 30-35 mins
SF- Deng 35 mins
PF- Tyrus 30-35 mins
C- Noah 30 mins
Bench Hinrich 20-25 mins
Bench Salmons 20-25 mins
Bench Miller 25 mins
That breakdown still leaves us about 10 minutes short of the 240 mark, which could be doled out as bonuses to this absolute base for minutes for everyone depending on whose playing well that game. I like this roster breakdown a lot.
Glad I bought tix for tomorrow's game
I get to see Brad Miller and a bunch of stiffs in street clothes and possibly Tim Thomas in a Bulls uni again. Yay!
Has there been any word on any other deals that could be in the works?
Or are we done?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im guessing were done
weve got a pretty solid 8 man rotation set now, and the only other thing i’d even imagine they’ve considered is a hinrich salary dump, which all indications report they’re holding off on til the summer (if ever).
I want one more trade
for all the stress of the Amar’e rumors
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well it's not gonna happen
Wait till next year.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
i would image that we're done
but things still might trickle in after the deadline…as long as it’s been agreed to in principle and submitted to the league office in time.
We’re probably done though.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
The sad thing about Hughes
is that he probably will kill in New York, because there are no bad shots in D’Antoni’s system.
There are bad shots
They’re the ones that don’t go in.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sad ...
or hilarious?
Man, I have got to watch some of these games after this trade goes through.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Gordon
I don’t see how the Bulls resign Gordon with the roster as it stands now. By my estimate the Bulls are at around $66.6M in salaries with Gordon off the books. Assuming Gordon is looking for a deal similar to Deng’s, that puts us around $76M, well into tax territory…
depending on how james' insurance works
that could free up 6.6 million (or slightly less) under the tax— i’m not positive of how that works though. Then, we could either a) dump hinrich essentially for nothing (i.e., to portland for blake since they’ll be under the cap this summer) or b) dump thabo essentially for nothing (i.e., to OKC for a second rounder since they’ll be under the cap this summer; this would save us 2.75 mill and would give OKC a 1 year look at a young guard).
trading thabo to OKC for a draft pick
what an idea.
I just got on BaB. I tried to digest as munch of above as I can.
From above it appears that James salary 2009-10, $6.6 mil, if we can get a medical exemption, does not count toward the salary cap 2009-10 and the insurance will pay 80%. If this is true and happens we freed up enough money to sign BG. I really would appreciate, even if this was said somewhere above, if i have this correct. This would have significant consequences to our abilty to sign BG. Send Tim Thomas home.
Yeah, basically (if I'm reading Sports2 correct).
The only problem is, while it’s likely, it’s not a given that James will get a medical retirement. And they can’t apply for that until next January. So signing Gordon would be a ‘gamble’ in the sense that if James’ retirement doesn’t go through, they’re screwed. Who knows if Gar Paxdorf is willing to do that?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Gordon has to be signed
so in 2010 we’ll have
Rose
Gordon
Deng
Thomas
Bosh
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haven't thought about that
man… somebody chew the Big man’s ankle
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 19, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome. Adios Larry!
Go Chicago Thomases!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Why do I get a sinking feeling
That Tim Thomas is going to stick around and actually get playing time? Hell, I wouldn’t put it past Vinny to play him some at the 4.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
that's not the worst idea
it’s ‘matchups’, and I mean that genuinely. Thomas can spread the floor as a 4 in a small lineup.
Now it should happen almost never (perhaps only after massive foul trouble). The real problem is Vinny.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
send an email if it's a question
but yes. Trying to keep the larry talk here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
he played w/ Thomas and "had him" in Phoenix.
he’s never had a problem w/ him. Oy!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I have a source telling me that Gooden may be bought out and brought back
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
come on man
don’t just throw random shit out there…do you have a link? What source?
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Its not much
but apparently Gooden may be one of the players traded being bought out, nothing about the Bulls bringing him back but the Cavs may be interested.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
is your source ESPN.com?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
haha no
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just saw that hollinger thing too
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
30 days
After he gets bought out, he’d have to wait 30 days to re-sign with the Bulls.
Instead, he could sign with any playoff team that is short on bigs. New Orleans, Lakers (if Bynum stays out).
What ties does he have to Chicago?
"Hughes trade leaves little room to re-sign Gordon"
Here’s the sad part for Bulls fans: The team owes Brad Miller $12.25 million, Luol Deng $10.37 million, Jerome James $6.6 million and Tim Thomas $6.5 million next season, but probably won’t have enough left to re-sign their leading scorer. Maybe this will all work out for the best, but the outlook isn’t as sunny as it could be today.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
well James isn't a sure thing
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's though
But either we make the 2010 run or we don’t. If we do we must let Gordon go (and dump Hinrich in the Summer). If we won’t then I ‘m really worried.
I’m a big BG fan by the way but I think the Bulls should play hard in 2010 because Chicago is an attractive market for those players and they will probably have a nice cast to play with any of the major free agents
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 19, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Has anyone heard anything about Thabo being moved?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just saw this
on the RealGM board:
Chicago is dealing Thabo Sefolosha to Oklahoma City for a 2009 first-round pick, a league source said. The Thunder own the first-round picks of the Suns and Nuggets, and will send the least valuable pick to Chicago in exchange for Sefalosha.
There was no link/source though…
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Thabo for a first rounder?
That would be a nice deal. Even if its the Suns or Nuggets 1st rounder.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but uh
the deadline is long gone….can there have been another trade that hasnt been anounced yet?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
yes.
If there was a bunch of paperwork submitted before the dealine, it will take a couple of hours for the league to work through all the trades.
Here ya go
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/19/764618/thabo-to-thunder
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Stein:
Chicago’s Thabo Sefolosha is headed to Oklahoma City for one of the Thunder’s five stockpiled first-round picks in the next two drafts.
I'm so intrigued to see Brad Miller, Tim Thomas and Joakim Noah interact
Hey Mouthpiece Sports spammers, get me some interviews!
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
heh
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 19, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions
i don't remember reading that before
holy shit!
i remember him being bitter, but those comments are pretty terrible. i don’t even think hughes would bash us THAT badly.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
OH!! SHIT
We got Anthony Roberson, Its good to get a quality pine warmer
hmmmmmm tim thomas, again.
Derrick Rose got Freakin Skillz. When are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Feb 19, 2009 5:48 PM CST reply actions
Wish I could take credit for it but funny comment about Hughes via Deadspin
I think the Knicks will now have to play with two basketballs on the court at one time. One ball for Larry Hughes and Nate Robinson to share, and another for which a game of basketball can be played.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
won't that require 3 basketballs....
no way Hughes shares, even if its only with one other person
HAHAHAHH
Larry Hughes continued a miserable start to his Knicks career by missing all five shots in the first half. After going 1-for-9 for three points in 16 minutes Sunday in a loss at Toronto, he had a corner jumper hit the side of the backboard, and threw up an air ball on another jumper. Acquired Thursday at the trade deadline, he was already hearing boos by late in the second quarter, and the boos resumed when he checked in again in the third.
"Basketball is like religion: many attend, few understand."
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