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Around SBN: Josh Hamilton's Unique Public Statement On His Addiction

[UPDATE: Chris Sheridan has Simmons included in a deal to Sacramento, as well as Ruffin being dumped on the Blazers -ed.]

[Bumped and edited from the FanShots. I likely can't give more coherent thoughts for a while, but as a quick take:

A decent deal, because I love me some Brad Miller and really think he can complement Tyrus and Noah extremely well. Obviously dealing Gooden's contract means an Amare deal is all but toast, but that looks to be as much on Phoenix's side as the Bulls.

And, as a prerequisite for all Bulls personnel moves: this screws Ben Gordon. Any mention of the Kings saving money next season means that's what the Bulls are taking on. Hopefully they're not done. -ed.]

Big props to Gar Paxdorf or whoever managed to send off Noc.

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Damn, just beat me.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

oh and

HALLELUJAH!

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

i love, love, love getting rid of nocioni and his contract.

i also love, love, love adding brad miller.

i love losing gooden too – just can’t stand watching his inconsistency.

my only major question – is this a good cost-cutting move for us ?

I haven’t checked the numbers. curious.

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

miller's contract ends next season

and salmon’s has an ETO at that time also – so depending on how he fares, he could also be gone in 2010. he’s also cheaper than nocioni anyways.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That's good news. i'm pleasantly shocked by such a good move.

actually i’m freaking thrilled.

miller will be a nice add…..he’s lost a couple steps and isn’t athletic for sure….but he can hit jumpers and is smart. (smarts that gooden definitely didn’t have). he could compliment our athletic bigs well.

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I would also guess we see less (or none) of Aaron Gray

Which is typically good. Unless Yao Ming comes to town and we need to throw some big flabby guys at him.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

This is Matt's dream trade.

(well, as much as can be hoped for)

it screws any room for next year w/o unloading hinrich.

So at this point, it really becomes: Gordon or Hinrich.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah... it could

i guess they would view salmons as “insurance/leverage” if they traded Hinrich.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

If we can trade Hinrich

to the T-Wolves for expirings and then re-sign BG in the offseason, I’ll be fucking pumped

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

AMEN!!!

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Feb 18, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

My god, this is incredible.

This is almost as awesome as getting Amare. Chapu is gone!!!!!!!!

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

agreed

People really underestimate Salmons’ and Miller’s abilities. Very good, smart players, especially offensively. Our team actually has offensive talent now outside of Rose, Gordon, and Disappearing Deng. We are making the playoffs now, unless Vinny REALLY screws rotations up.

At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated

by Othella on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I proclaimed my appreciation for Salmons in 2008 and was viewed as a lunatic. It helps if you actually watch other teams play.

by messwiththebull on Feb 18, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That sucks

I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit more Noc….

Though I’m happy with the trade cuz of his huge contract and our even bigger needs.

by majoyenrac on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the move

Is this going to lead to another trade, though? There’s an even bigger glut in the backcourt now.

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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

why?

Nocioni is a small forward. salmons is a small forward. (or at least can play it)

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He's really a 2

And it’s not like there are going to be that many minutes behind Deng anyways.

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

he played the 3 next to kevin martin right....

and i really don’t mind if he doesn’t play that much.

but will there be another trade ? i dunno……suppose hinrich could still possibly be moved…..love if hughes was

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

This makes it Gordon or Hinrich. Gordon or Hinrich.

Where do the Bulls come down?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If this T-Wolves deal gets done...

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

we did it Scotter!

Brad Miller! :-D

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

This has to be a great day for you

Finally, a sports team listens to a blogger!

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

There's another deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703

Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.

???

Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

Unless....

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

the post on sacbee

was saying they heard ike diogu for ruffin.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Sacramento Bee saying

Ruffin for Ike Diaogu

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction: Diogu going to Portland

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/019745.html

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He's already there?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Christ

Double Correction: Diogu to Sacramento (sorry too excited to correctly type and furiously clicking every possible source)

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The comments in that article are hilarious.

Definitely underenthused about getting the Bulls’ players.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I wonder. Michael Ruffin isn’t worthy of his own trade.

Perhaps Kirk and RUffin for Raef?

by majoyenrac on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So happy this went down

and naturally after telilong my co-workers got all angry so now I’m headphoned up and jumping inside for joy…

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

wow....spelling fail.

telling*

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

that is true.

love that. wonder if miller or noah will be coming off the bench. i’d suppose noah.

love the move for tyrus.

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the biggest reason I love the trade.

Miller is a near perfect complement to Thomas and Noah.

by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

here, here

it seems the bulls have decided to double down on Tyrus and Noah

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

There, there.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell. Yes.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

I doubt even Vinny would force Salmons to masquerade as a center.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Booo!

Where are all the fistpumps going to come from, eh??

And the hacking!?

Bad deal!

by BAB-Bass on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

no more grit

or for that matter, chin pubes

If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles

by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

kinda shocked sacramento made this deal :)

SI says it’s a cost-cutting move for them – but taking nocioni’s contract ? Thank you

by swede2287 on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

even's out in the end

they pay $25,000 more in the long run, but save nearly $7 million next year.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

OMG OMG OMG

No more Nocioni…………..just wow.

This likely spells the end of Ben Gordon, though.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

Wait let me get this straight

We got a legit center who expires in 2010, we got a wing in Salmons who can flat out play, (just isnt the best shooter, so I dont know how he pairs with Rose, but still huge upgrade in play making abilities) We got rid of Drew Gooden who is useless to us now and he was stunting the growth of the young guys we have in front of him, and we got rid of Noc who if we didnt have Deng wouldnt be so bad, but since we do he is an extremely over paid back up… WOW… WOWO WOWOWOWOWOW

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

He's a pretty good shooter

much better at it than Noc.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Being better than NOC

Being better than NOC does not make any one good… Now if he had more “fire” “hustle” “desire” “toughness” “Grittyness” than Noc, than we can compare, I was comparing him to what we use at SG/SF now in BG, Kirk, and Deng

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay

He probably has as many or more game winners as Ben does the past 16 months. Happy?

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So does this get us into the Play offs?

I like the move we lose two players I couldn’t stand and a guy we didn’t use much. I wonder what the Micheal Ruffin move is about and I’m aure they would of pulled Kirk or Ben off the bus if we we’re moving him. Maybe it’s Larry and Ruffin for Trash?

by Bullsfanla on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

The way Thomas and Noah were playing without Gooden?

They might ahve been playoff bound anyway, if barely. Just add Miller to what’s happened the last two weeks, I’m sure tht’s a playoff team, if used properly.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Both Noah and Tyrus will benefit mightily from Brad's interior passing.

Miller in the high post feeding Deng and Tyrus on cuts could be a thing of beauty, and gives us another option on top of Rose slashing and dishing.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

nocioni is terrible

replacing noc with salmons/miller is a huge upgrade…no more thabo…im starting to like thabo though…i love the deal, but it probably means the end of ben or a very cheap ben unless tor wants him next year

by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

at least

they’ll be able to hanfle theier six foot bong without a problem

If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles

by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Should be healthy soon.

It was an abdominal strain, and I think they were going day-to-day, thinking there’d be no harm in keeping him on the shelf through the break.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It may have even been an "abdominal strain"

considering Miller reportedly wanted out…

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Flu-like symptoms?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

ding dong Noc is gone! woooooooo!

Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger

by fundamentallysound on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

This.

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by SRQman on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

haha i said the same thing to myself

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Brad Miller Helping Rose and TT

Something I would like to point out about Brad Miller, with his ability to be on the high post cause he can shoot or pass so well, it opens up Rose and TT to run the high S/R with TT rolling to the basket. We dont have to see another 20 footer by TT on a pop cause thats where Brad Miller will be. Same applies to Noah.. I just hope VDN doesnt screw this up..

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

Just wondering

The Ruffin trade has to do with the trade exception, right? Portland has a capologist (Tom Penn) who does these weird deals to get small TEs that figure into larger deals… I bet we could see Hinrich in Portland quite shortly.

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

Let's hope

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I was actually suggesting, earlier,

that you guys might want Hinrich and Salmons? That way, with RAEF, we can sign BG next year…

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Feb 18, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone have clues as to why John Salmons was so coveted in trades?

1) His career high PER playing the most minutes?
2) His Team option ETO after 09-10?
3) The economy?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

He makes 5.5 million next year

Even if Kirk Hinrich gets traded, the organization has found a cheap, replacement-level player for Ben Gordon. This is all about protecting themselves from going hard after BG in the summer.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, but

Salmons was in rumors for many teams.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He's had a career year?

And he’s cheap for any team.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

AND HE IS TALL!

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

bahahahahaa…

salmons > hughes

..and on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..

by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He had a stretch last year when K-Martin was out similar to what he's done all this year,

so there’s reason to believe his “career year” numbers are pretty representative of what he can do. The problem is his starter vs. bench splits; he only produces seemingly when he’s starting.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

NBAO

I know you think he sucks, but you’re so, so wrong here.

??

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually don't think he's that bad

but he’s coming to the Chicago Bulls organization so I don’t expect him to stay the same, nor improve. Factor in the starter versus bench splits, our history with juggling effective players with similar stat deposits, and the messed up rotations excuses all start rolling off the Del Negro assembly line.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you...

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He's also a very good defender.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Feb 18, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Peeps at BE saying Ruffin for Diagu doesn't work on the Trade Machine

I smell a Hinrich deal!!!!!!!!

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

It doesn't work straight up, but does if it's a 3-team trade.

Link. Sorry if this doesn’t work for those of you with older versions of IE. Basically, just go to the Trade Machine, send Salmons and Miller to the Bulls; Gooden, Noc, and Ike to Sacramento; and Ruffin to Portland. Totally works.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw this later. Good work.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulls probably

sent over their trade exception too

by kingj41 on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHA

“Gar Paxdorf.”

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

LOL. Three head Monster...

General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.

by Azabullsfan on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Move

Im stoked! :)

by rquinsee on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

kinda funny though

we’re all psyched on here, but a lot of people on espn.com thinks this trade sucks for the bulls.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Why?

They turned Gooden and Noc into a nice big man with a very nice expiring deal next year and a solid wingman who could replace BG.

by dakoose on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA

Thats the first thing I noticed too when I read the comments… I am like these guys have no clue

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Aldridge worries me though

when he keeps chirping about them in the same vain.

"Miller’s presence could conceivably clear the way for Chicago to move one of its young pivotmen, either Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah, in another deal. "

For how long have we waited here for these two to get PT together? Then it finally happens, the team looks decent, and yet they must be broken up?

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

aldridge doesn't know shiite

these guys are reporters first. basketball analysts second.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We now have damn near

25 million coming off of the books after next year. I smell another big trade or signing next year.

by dakoose on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

My first reaction is: blah. Am I wrong?

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

A Hinrich trade to the Blazers

makes the Diogu-Ruffin thing sensible… watch out for more.

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what i'm hopin' for

But the B;azers never wanna give up anything good, so I’m skeptical

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

they gave up Zach Randolph for Channing Frye. Telfair was highly regarded at the time of his trade as well.

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

For Hinrich getting Rodriguez/LaFrentz would be phenomenal

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds about right...

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Nahh

Fernandez/RAEF.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Feb 18, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

After 2 weeks of Amare, maybe

But, it’s clear Phoenix decided the problem was with the coaching, not the players. And the Bulls essentially traded Nocioni for John Salmons, and got Brad Miller for 2 expiring contracts. That’s pretty damn good.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo. I think jerry is still a bit hung up on Amare.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

no, seriously, i'm not

I just don’t understand the Salmons angle and I’m not crazy about Miller. I gave up on Amare 2 days ago

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd rather have Noc than Salmons?

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No, you guys are right

I’m coming around, I just was thinking out loud at first:)

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Brad Miller is an above average rental for the rest of this season and next

Salmons….well he’s alright I guess. I feel better having him off the bench than Thabo, that’s one thing.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

THANKS

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You didn't ask "Why or why not?"

;-)

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

GREAT TRADE.

I am impressed and surprised. But doesn’t it seem that Deng and Salmons are both to good (in theory) to be reserves?

Maybe something (trade?) is up with Deng.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

I

commented in the closed thread the same thing. Hinrich and Deng to Portland???

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop, I'm drooling

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Can someone explain Salmons role on this team?

He’s too good to be a bench player and he can’t play ahead of Lu, so what’s his role?

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

He can replace Larry Hughes as the designated pouter

Supposedly he hates coming off the bench (and doesn’t play well as a reserve either), so that may be an issue.

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

BG back to bench

I kid I kid… but cant u just see VDN doing that?

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised

Salmons is probably in the team’s plans more than Gordon is now, unfortunately.

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's exactly what I expect.

And I don’t disagree. Salmons doesn’t produce if he doesn’t start. BG is much more mature about being sixth man, and can still produce from there.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

And honestly I'm ok with it

Gordon isn’t coming back to this team anyways. It’s probably a good time to get the team adjusted to scoring without him in the lineup.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't really know how much other teams are interested in ben gordon

He sure can score, but he’s undersized and can be very selfish at times. BG wants a big contract, but I don’t see any team overpaying and paying BG what he wants, especially in our economy as of right now. BG is gonna try to get his money, but no team will give it to him.

by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

This isn't the proper thread for this debate

No one has to overpay for him, whatever offer he likes he’ll take.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just responding to your comment before...

I can see BG coming back to the bulls, we still have too many guards on this team…there needs to be another trade tomorrow

by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He's tall!

See, big trade, and it didn’t even screw up the old cliches. ;)

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by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed--what the Bulls see in him is height. Especially compared to BG,

despite how unfair that analysis is.

Also, is it possible (please? could it be?) that Salmons lights a fire under Thabo? Or si the org done with Thabo?

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by bullhockey on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

There's always the possibility of Gordon going to the bench

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel larry will be traded by tomorrow

and that would basically make last years trade of ben wallace for hughes and gooden moot.

by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons Role

Do Not Piss off BABers as much as Noc

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He's probably exactly as good as a 6th man

He can get really hot come nights, but is more just a decent player getting a lot of shots on a bad team.

by Mortimer on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

In other words

On a good team that isn’t really bad like the Kings, he’s best as a bench scorer who has the offense go through him, and an injury-time starter.

by Mortimer on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He needs to drive to be effective

He’ll be able to get that with the Bulls. I don’t know who we have to sit more to play Salmons though. It’s Deng or Gordon.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Covered above

Could be a precursor to a Hinrich trade.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

everything above

suggests Hinrich would be part of that package in a 3 way

this is refuted by the report suggesting Ruffin was in this deal, not a separate one

by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine with that

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

WOO HOO

WOO HOO WOO HOO WOO HOO… sorry this is starting to be good to be true.. I am now nervous something really bad is gonna happen like Pax is gonna trade Rose or something lol

by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Cap hell. Say goodbye to Gordon
Miller	 $11.4  $12.25 	
Salm	 $5.41 	 $6.27 	 $6.68 
			
Gooden	 $7.15 		
Noc	 $8.00 	 $7.50 	 $7.00 
			
Bulls In	 $16.81 	 $18.52 	 $6.68 
Bulls Out	 $15.15 	 $7.500 	 $7.00 
Net change	 $1.660 	 $11.02 	 $(0.32)

by Sports2 on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

that sucks...

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

can't we re-sign Ben

and just pay the luxury tax for the one year, what you’re not counting into that is the big drop-off in the following year

by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

though I completely agree with you, btw

I just don’t see it as likely.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i mean it would only be paying the tax for 1 year....

and it would be well known in advance we’d only be paying it for 1 year

by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not just paying the tax.

It’s also losing the money from the tax-payers.

(we’ve been over this…)

Dorf’s not having that

by BAB-Bass on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I did as well

But, really, it’s sad innit? Ben is a damn good scorer.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally possible, but not probable.

If we were willing to pay tax for Ben, we would have signed him this year.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

different scenario

that was paying the tax for MULTIPLE seasons, unless a deal was made

now that the deal is made, we know the tax is only for one season

by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

AND

WITH THE RETURNING WHITE WHALE

WE ARE NOW OVERLORDS OF THE EAST!!!!

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

(BTW, Ozzie said it first down here.) Truly this is a great, great day.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That question was answered last summer.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Where you getting that salary data from?

ShamSports has Salmons at 5.6 million next year, and an ETO for 5.8 in 2010.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons has a "get traded kicker" clause

2 mil bonus if you want to trade him.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

2 mil bonus

spread apart equally over the remaining years on his contract.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

lame

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I've added in the trade kicker Salmons got

Salary from my site

I track every transaction and keep it up to date.

I’m not sure if Simmons/Diogu really is happening, because that would appear to put the Kings over the Tax. Why would they do that?

by Sports2 on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

You left out Simmons and Ruffin leaving...

Needed to keep the Bulls from paying the TAX this season.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 18, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it wasn't confirmed at the time I posted that

gets us under the tax this year, makes for no change next year or after.

by Sports2 on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I dig this trade

Both Miller and Salmons are much more efficient shooters and better passers than Noc and Gooden (or more willing to pass, anyway). Plus Salmons fouls about half as much as Noc and gets to the line more often (where he shoots a higher percentage).

by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

Is Hinrich still on the bus?

Noc, Gooden, and Ruffin all pulled from it.

Come on Gar Paxdorf.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

How do you know this?

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

After reading it, yes. You are correct.

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Guys can we get a brief moment of silence for the Drew Gooden blog

(Taps plays in background)

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

at least we know tyrus thomas playing time wont get cut

by drew gooden. I wonder if vinnie will be playing massive with brad miller and noah in at same time. hmmm…

by mandoman10 on Feb 18, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

yeabut

don’t you think vinnie will see his glorious matchups differently, pulling ty to go big with white whale, noah, and whale jr. for the frontcourt?

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by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And somehow Aaron Gray is still a Bull

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

whether or not it's to Portland

Hinrich is likely gone before the deadline, right? Paxson (sorry, Gar Paxdorf) can’t even use his ‘Ben Gordon insurance’ reasoning, as that’s now Salmons.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

and

keeping both Hinrich and Salmons to come off the bench is not going to be good for anyone (especially Gordon)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's most definitely gone

Especially since they still have Larry Hughes on the team. There’s no way they’re keeping Hinrich, Hughes, AND Salmons around. Not to mention Thabo.

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That'd be a great trade.

Rid 3 years of ~$6 mil/yr for nothing?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

i like this deal regardless because it ships out noc, but i’ll love it if it ends up in expirings coming back for hinrich

by Calogero on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe that Minnesota deal is still alive,

Gosh, I hope not.

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins? You kidding me!?

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Expiring contracts so we can re-sign BG

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt BG wants to stick around this mess.

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

$$$$$$ talks

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

meh

Gordon also said he was ‘confused’ when they acquired Hughes and his minutes went down. I think he wants a full-time role too.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He has to be gone

Because they still have to sit Hughes on the bench till next February.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly what I just pointed out. There's no way

we’re keeping all of Kirk, Hughes, Thabo, AND Salmons.

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hughes could just go home I guess

though that doesn’t really ‘solve’ anything.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that in the grand sceme of things this isn't very important

but are we now gonna become the worst three point shooting team in the league?

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

Brad Miller has range

Although his shooting percentage needs more cornrows to be effective.

Wait, we don’t still have that team rule against corn rows?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was just "No Eddy Currys"

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons somehow is shooting 42% from 3 this year

Plus Miller is a big man who can actually shoot, so I consider that an upgrade.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting, I didn't actually look

I always thought Salmons was a poor shooter

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You should always look.

informed opinions are better than ignorant ones. Seriously.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you have some sort of problem?

Is there a reason why you’re always trying to start shit? Cause it’s getting pretty fucking old.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm serious. You (anyone) should always look things up if they're unsure.

Don’t assume. You make an ass, blah blah blah.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Half my problems on here (or anywhere on Blogfrica)...

…would be solved if people actually looking shit up first. The other half, well, I still have to go to counseling for that.

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't just a guess

I’ve watched a lot of Salmons in the past and I always thought he was a poor shooter. I don’t have to look everything up before I type it

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said below

He’s average, and the fact that Nocioni is a horrible shooter everywhere else on the floor means there really isn’t much to worry about. What’s the difference in Salmons chucking or Noce chucking?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I agree

I was just trying to prove a point because Tyger appears to be hell bent on ripping everything I say

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

say something smart?

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Get over it?

Okay, I’ll quit.

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine, I've been over it

You’re always a really good poster. I just think it’s weak when you start taking shots, and it seems like you’re only interested starting an argument.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

For his career, he is average

And when you look at Nocioni’s regular FG% (41%), his outside shooting was totally negated by his retarded shot selection.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, a Mike A. sighting!

nothing like a trade that gets old-time readers out of their spiderholes :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Now I'm curious what Salmons numbers

are like before and after acquiring Beno Udrih.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

Isn’t it enough that some players are professional enough to work and improve as their career advances? What’s Udrih got to do with Salmons? He’s produced well as a starter for the last year and more. And even off the bench before then, and when Artest was still around AND ARTEST NEEDED TO START, he was more productive than Nocioni f’chrissakes.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you figure?

Miller is 20-43 this year and Salmons shoots about 42% from downtown.

by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's fummy to hear radio guys being upset or confused about this trade

Upset fro not getting Amare or another “blockbuster,super trade”.
How can they SO clueless???

General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.

by Azabullsfan on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

They have brains for radio?

Which radio guys? I’d think Boers and Bernstein get the gist of this deal.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They did.

before the trade was actually official and it was just a rumor, bernstein was put off by Miller but got excited when he heard Salmons was coming in the deal.

by dakoose on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure about names.Those on ESPN1000.

General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.

by Azabullsfan on Feb 18, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Before 2004

I paid very, very little attention to the salaries and cap/CBA stuff. We’re just much more hardcore now.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

You said “fummy”, LOL!

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!I would miss it if not you.

General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.

by Azabullsfan on Feb 18, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I was adding some numbers.

Miller makes 12 million and so does Hughes. Salmons makes 5.5.

Does this really mean we will have 29 million dollars coming off our books in 2010?

by robinhood on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

players that have 0% chance of signing in Chicago

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

but we do have 29 million dollars in expiring contracts to teams that want those players, right?

So we will have more opportunities for lopsided trades where talent is traded for expiring contracts?

by robinhood on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons has an ETO (basically a player option) for 2010-2011.

If he’s playnig well, he could exercise it. But he’ll be older. Who knows?

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Being older will probably militate for him opting out.

The sooner he gets his next contract, the better chance he has of getting more years. People don’t give long-term contracts to older players unless they’re superstars.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be my hope.

These guys almost always opt out for that reason.

by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And if he keeps playing like this

he’ll be due more than that $5.8M or whatever. Unless the world truly is ending now.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially if they don't re-sign Gordon.

and/or trading Hinrich. He’d get haevy minutes, have good per-game numbers at 30.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Bosh will sign anywhere that isn't Toronto

So, I wouldn’t write him off.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I think wade has more than a fair chance of ending up here as well

Bosh too.

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
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by Jbasic89 on Feb 18, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

salmons is for 3 yrs, not 2

but yeah, hughes and bmiller are gonna expire in 2010, so that’s at least 24 mil free

great to get salmons for 5 mil for 3 yrs.

but bmiller’s 2-yr contract effectively ends gordon resigning after this yr, unless they make another trade

by Orange Juice on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons has an ETO. I'm not confident he won't exercise it.

I’d say it’s 50/50, no?

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Good move

Anything that gets rid of Noc is great actually. Something else has to happen though. I’m looking for Kirk to be gone by tomorrow. PLEASE Gar Paxdorf!! We need to keep Ben.

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

ur an idiot

that’s all

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Because John Salmons is amazing.

It’s interesting, though. We’ll have to see how he plays here. Salmons is much less of a team guy than Gordon, though [and yes, I know what I’m saying].

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Outstanding!

Did we finally just acquire the M2GWCDS? (Old school Blog a Bull reference for y’all)

by Jobu on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I thought Eddie Basedn was the M2GWCDS.

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You Bulls fans should be ecstatic

you just got rid of The Noc. Take a second and let it sink in.

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Feeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssss

Gooooooooooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh…………

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Noc got traded and I

JIZZED IN MY PANTS

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Feb 18, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

..and on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..

by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

too crude. sorry.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Woo Hoo!

This is step 1 of 3.

Step 2 : Trade Hinrich
Step 3: Trade Hughes

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Keep Hughes and his deal.

He’ll be highly sought after around next year’s deadline.

by dakoose on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

so is Hughes gonna be a Marbury and just sit on the bench while getting paid...

I think that’s unlikely. Even if we do keep Hughes, I don’t see him giving it his all after disabling from the roster.

by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt he'll be happy about it

but that’s how its turning out to be. Who cares what he likes and doesn’t like anyways? He’s Larry Hughes for Christ sake

by NittanyCub on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s not happy and not in our long-term plans. Why wait until next season to send him packing?

by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumor is

he will go to Washington for Mike James and Etan Thomas.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

even if he was

Brad Miller is an expiring 2010 deal too.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

heh, Kings fans
Nocioni be ballin!!!…dude got all around game and he’s fiery…anything to finally get the 7 foot pt guard out of here…although i do like salmons i would rather see k mart go!!..salmons is a lot more versatile then kevin and if we let kmart go it’ll free up room to let cisco play more and cisco is a much more complete player then kmart…

link

Really, Kevin Martin go?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He means Go as in

Go Go Go. Play more.

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by Goostafer on Feb 18, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Matt won't like this

But my fellow BAB pals…..a moment of silence for El Chapu.

::Watches tape of 2004 gold medal game, drinks fifth of scotch and drunk dials Skiles::

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

R.I.P.

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by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

this fist pump's for you, Chapu

Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"

by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"

by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Was this a photo

from his 22.1 playoff PER year?

Black shoes and all.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

why not

http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/18/763392/official-goodbye-noc-threa

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll be missed in a way

Noc’s biggest problem was his contact and his usage. Pax completely overpaid for him and that screwed the roster for the last 2+ seasons.

I didn’t have a problem with his role off the bench as a 3 or occassional 4, but Skiles/Boylan/VDN played him to much at the 4.

None of that is Noc’s fault. His style of play is matter of strong opinion around here, but that shouldn’t have been a surprise for the last 3 seasons – he was who we thought he was.

Plus, now who’s going to team up with Luol Deng for that awkward international vibe when the they do “Name that Tune” on the big screen during timeouts?

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by mdmnd9294 on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

he's fine as a 4

the problem was putting him at the 4 and gooden at the 5. if we had a big center to put him with, it would be different.

but right, his usage wasn’t his fault. i’ll miss him in a way. i liked him in the earlier seasons – but it was kinda clear he’d had enough here.

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

True - on this roster there wasn't a 5 that he matched well as a 4

Or, hell, wasn’t there an odd line up to close out a big win this year that had Noc as the 5 and Deng as the 4? Maybe I’m confused…

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by mdmnd9294 on Feb 18, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

3..... 4..... 5.....

it matters not. no tears for those two.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

i said "in a way"

as in the “you seem like a good guy, so i’m sorry you have to move and play for such a shitty team – i hope you succeed, but good riddance” kind of way :D

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Love me some Brad too

pause

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by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

love bmiller's expiring contract more than bmiller

we’ll have two of the largest expiring contracts in 2010: hughes and bmiller

if we stay patient, we can turn that into a superstar.

basically $25 mil free after 2010. that’s huge.

by Orange Juice on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

Eddie Robinson would be a cheap D-League call-up

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm so kidding, Just thought I'd point that out

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Tyrus, Rose, and E-Rob all in next year's!!!

Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"

by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

dunk contest*

Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"

by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think the absolute key here is to be patient, we have a bunch of cap space opening up, have some good pieces in place, and are a major market, we have all the tools necessary to attract a key free agent in 2010. Let’s not blow a legit shot at entering the NBA elite through having a short attention span.

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on Feb 18, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

The trade is better than "meh"

It makes the Bulls a little bit better in the short-term and clears out money in a couple of years in the long-term. This doesn’t make my heart aflutter, but at least the Bulls got the better players back here.

by Frank the Tank on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

lol

@ 162 new comments in the 15 minutes it took me to drive home from work…

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Hey

I can offically cop the Ben Wallace McFarlane jonz…..Now when i see him, I can think :

wallace → gooden —> Miller

yeah!

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by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

wow

i don’t know how they scored this, but talent wise we gain a lot!

by fedupandfull on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Hmm

No mention of this on bulls.com anywhere. Please let me know if you find it. Anyway, the Bulls traded two players with almost identical stats (Gooden and Miller). I like Salmons and I think he’s a good scorer but that just adds another guard to that party. So, could this just be clearing space for Amare?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

he's a 2/3

so he’ll probably take Noc’s backup SF minutes also.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

plus no noc at the 4

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on Feb 18, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

i was just making the point about having to play another guard

at least salmons can use the SF minutes… he’s not going to be using the PF minutes. :P

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Gooden would have had to be in any Amare deal

So that’s pretty much off the table now.

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

If he's available next year

We can part with Hughes and Tyrus and I’ll still be hella happy

by Option27 on Feb 18, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Salmons can play the forward just as well probably

And the Amare deal died a few days ago. Phoenix just was’t ready to let him go.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Nut why trade 2 people

Who have almost identical stats?
Miller
Gooden

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And they both

play about the same defense too!

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

One of these

makes shots, passes, and plays center. One of these doesn’t.

by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Miller FG%

is only about 3 percent higher. He does average 2 more assists though.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Miller true shooting percentage

Is 56, Gooden’s is 51, which is worse than Tyrus.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I got different numbers

Where are you looking that up?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't just look at regular FG%

True shooting is a better measure because it combines regular field goals, free throws, and 3 pointers into one number. Gives you a better measure of how efficient a guy is in getting their points.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

And he's also

A CENTER who can score and pass. Gooden is neither. And 2 inches taller.

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by Goostafer on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Miller is better in every way imaginable on offense

Defensively they are both worthless. Net positive.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

One quibble: Gooden is a better defensive rebounder.

But yes, Miller is the better basketball player, by far.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's ok since Tyrus will be doing any rebounding Gooden could have done.

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by Goostafer on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

True, Gooden is the better rebounder

I’m just assuming Tyrus will continue at this current playing rate, and Miller will at least try harder because he’s on a better team that has a shot of making the playoffs.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He is better, but by a few percentage points

Their DRB% are basically the same, as well as TRB. Gooden does take the cake in ORB, though.

by NittanyCub on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He also takes the cake in post-up 15 foot fadeaway J's, though.

So glad our ‘impossible duo’ is gone. [Impossible, because they can’t goard anyone … to save their lives! Get it? Hahahaha… eh.]

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 18, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry but

no, I don’t get it

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, neither do I,

but I wanted to come up with a catchy nickname.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Feb 18, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Miller should be on the floor with either TT or Noah,

both of whom can pick up the slack on the boards.

Maybe we can?

by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Brad Miller is Tall

and a better passer, not a chucker, not a PF. Meaning no time cut from Tyrus and a real scoring option at the 5. Oh and his contract expires after next year when all the good free agents will be, uh, free agents.

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by Goostafer on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

because they don't get them identicalllllllyly..

Look at the assisting and usage %‘s in advanced stats. Basically, Gooden’s a ballhog. Miller’s a facilitator.

Think of either having a shot with Thomas and/or Deng cutting to the basket. The shot goes up w/ Gooden. The ball gets passed to Deng or Thomas with Miller.

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's face it

Brad Miller is a better passer than Magic Johnson and John Stockton combined. Bow down to the new overlords of the East.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hellshizzles

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is the frontpage an article from Dana O'Neil about a Clemson bbball player

There’s so many other big things that people care about, the bulls trade and the NBA deadline coming up are only a few things. ESPN has gone down the crapper.

by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

The NBA's fanbase isn't as big as you'd expect.

What NBA fans there are tend to be hard core, but in quantity there are probably more out there for college basketball.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

why go to ESPN.com?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe the red sox did something today?

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by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Aldridge is still reporting

that Hughes still might go to Washington:

Sources indicate Hughes could still potentially be sent to Washington in exchange for guard Mike James and center Etan Thomas if the Bulls don’t make any other big deals.

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yea, just send him home

From what I’ve heard Mike James isn’t exactly Nelson Mandella anyway

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be bad if Etan Thomas took minutes away from Tyrus/Noah

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

isn't he injured?

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I thought he was out for the year??

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by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Never mind

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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

the perfect complementary player then.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

This team could very well be

a shell of its former self by tomorrow.

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

heh, true indeed

a third of the team left today (wow)…I’ll be ultra excited if we can get rid of Hughes or Kirk by tomorrow.

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take it

Mike James is a servicable backup PG

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

so Mike James

play 5-10 min /gm… Not really a big deal

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

where is Hughes going to play

Salmons can play both the 2 and the 3. He can backup both Deng/BG

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

How does this trade help?

Thomas and James’ contracts both run through next season, same as Hughes. So you swap Hughes for another shot-jacking guard and throw another mediocre, injury-prone big man into the mix? Doesn’t make any sense is all I’m sayin’.

by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No it doesn't

make a whole lot of sense. Pax just promised a trade to Larry, and now he’ll have to do the same to these guys……. But the season is mostly over and perhaps they can be traded as expirings over the summer??? Keep them players movin’…..

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Etan Thomas is a nice piece, when healthy.

He can totally be the meaty enforcer type on defense. Having Etan Thomas next year means Aaron Gray doesn’t ever have to play.

by arjoseph on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I always liked him a bit too

He’s undersized though.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

No Noc. or Gooden

means A LOT of Tyrus tonight!!

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by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

Thank god

Finally a trade, and a good one at that.

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by Goostafer on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

McGraw:
STOUDEMIRE STILL IN PLAY?
I’d say the only way the Bulls trade Hinrich for an expiring deal is if they have something else brewing. One theory is Collins and whoever else (Sebastian Telfair as a backup for Steve Nash?) would be sent to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire, along with Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha and draft picks.

By moving Hinirch’s salary ($10 million this year), the Bulls would be able to take on Stoudemire and have the ammunition to re-sign Ben Gordon this summer.

If everything worked out, the Bulls could get a desirable starting lineup of Derrick Rose, Gordon, Luol Deng, Stoudemire and Joakim Noah, with Salmons and Miller coming off the bench.

It’s too soon to tell what the chances are of this coming true and there may be other trades still being circulated. But this appears to be what the Bulls have in mind.

Yeah, I know the Suns supposedly backed off trading Stoudemire, but their need for payroll relief is still an issue. All that talk might have been an attempt to build leverage.

The NBA trade deadline is Thursday at 2 p.m. Central time. It will be interesting to see if anyone sits out tonight at Milwaukee. I’ll update as soon as I know.

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

That would be awesome

I really hope that happens.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Good looks on that

"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."

by Evil Pax on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

i’m loving that plan… GO GAR GO!! GO GAR GO!!!

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

im in owww and ahhh mode

right about now

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by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

If this happens....

I’ll need a day off work just to recover.

by Kevin C on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It works

 in the Trade Machine, but it only cuts $6.2 mil this summer for Phoenix, so I’m not sure its enough for them to get it done.

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by torch on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

who cares about ben gordon. miller is off the books in 2010, the same season as hughes, which also happens to be the offseason lebron, wade, bosh, etc are all free agents. this seems like as much a move for the future as much as it is for right now

by bburk89 on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

kinky

…damn i’m immature

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by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Cedric Simmons!!!!!

Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

One source said the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.

Wow, that’s akward… good thing they weren’t flying:)

by smash! on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

lol
good thing they weren’t flying

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by tyrus4prez on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

God, I would have LOVED to tell Gooden and Nocioni they were leaving

Now guys, Drew and Andres didn’t just get traded to Sacramento






Not

by NittanyCub on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

update by KC

Drew Gooden speaks:

Gooden told the Tribune by phone. “Sacramento has been interested in me for a couple years, so maybe something can work out long-term there. If not, I’m an unrestricted free agent this summer, so I’m auditioning for other teams.”

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

its true

i’d heard about them being interested in him for quite awhile.

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i hope sacramento doesn't see this before it's official.

or just wouldn’t mind sending him home.

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Say what ya want, but Gooden seems to be a classy dude

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by Illini15 on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i think gooden's hilarious.

he seems like a good guy. but i’m tired of watching him in a bulls uni.

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by Jaina on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel a little bad for him.

Dude probably just wants to spend more than a year on some team.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

haha, exactly what I thought.

Play team ball or make shoot 60% TS% and he’d stay.

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like drew

just didn’t fit here @ the right moment

..and on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..

by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think off-court he was a good guy

but he looked like he was on ‘contract year mode’ when on the court this season.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been in the league long enough

To understand how life goes for a mediocre player like himself. He just wants to get paid, and he’s still under 30.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL = Rec

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by mdmnd9294 on Feb 18, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

i stole that and put it on sactown royalty...

here

sorry :-(

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by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel somewhat bad for Gooden

he’s been traded 4 times already. Good enough to be wanted, not good enough to stay wanted, I guess.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Deuces...

..and on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..

by Belize on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't feel too bad.

He still makes half a million buck A MONTH.

by Jobu on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He was doomed here

in a way as the Wallace replacement. Maybe he’s taller, but he’s not a center.

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by marionette on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently Salmons hates coming off the bench...

This guy better not turn into the next Larry Hughes

by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM CST