Aldridge: Bulls to land Salmons, Miller for Nocioni, Gooden
[UPDATE: Chris Sheridan has Simmons included in a deal to Sacramento, as well as Ruffin being dumped on the Blazers -ed.]
[Bumped and edited from the FanShots. I likely can't give more coherent thoughts for a while, but as a quick take:
A decent deal, because I love me some Brad Miller and really think he can complement Tyrus and Noah extremely well. Obviously dealing Gooden's contract means an Amare deal is all but toast, but that looks to be as much on Phoenix's side as the Bulls.
And, as a prerequisite for all Bulls personnel moves: this screws Ben Gordon. Any mention of the Kings saving money next season means that's what the Bulls are taking on. Hopefully they're not done. -ed.]
Big props to Gar Paxdorf or whoever managed to send off Noc.
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i love, love, love getting rid of nocioni and his contract.
i also love, love, love adding brad miller.
i love losing gooden too – just can’t stand watching his inconsistency.
my only major question – is this a good cost-cutting move for us ?
I haven’t checked the numbers. curious.
miller's contract ends next season
and salmon’s has an ETO at that time also – so depending on how he fares, he could also be gone in 2010. he’s also cheaper than nocioni anyways.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That's good news. i'm pleasantly shocked by such a good move.
actually i’m freaking thrilled.
miller will be a nice add…..he’s lost a couple steps and isn’t athletic for sure….but he can hit jumpers and is smart. (smarts that gooden definitely didn’t have). he could compliment our athletic bigs well.
I would also guess we see less (or none) of Aaron Gray
Which is typically good. Unless Yao Ming comes to town and we need to throw some big flabby guys at him.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
This is Matt's dream trade.
(well, as much as can be hoped for)
it screws any room for next year w/o unloading hinrich.
So at this point, it really becomes: Gordon or Hinrich.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
yeah... it could
i guess they would view salmons as “insurance/leverage” if they traded Hinrich.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
If we can trade Hinrich
to the T-Wolves for expirings and then re-sign BG in the offseason, I’ll be fucking pumped
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My god, this is incredible.
This is almost as awesome as getting Amare. Chapu is gone!!!!!!!!
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agreed
People really underestimate Salmons’ and Miller’s abilities. Very good, smart players, especially offensively. Our team actually has offensive talent now outside of Rose, Gordon, and Disappearing Deng. We are making the playoffs now, unless Vinny REALLY screws rotations up.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
only problem is salmons wants to start
will he still try coming off the bench??
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I proclaimed my appreciation for Salmons in 2008 and was viewed as a lunatic. It helps if you actually watch other teams play.
by messwiththebull on Feb 18, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Have the Bulls played Sacramento twice already.....
I don’t want to see Noc hacking Deng just yet.
That sucks
I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit more Noc….
Though I’m happy with the trade cuz of his huge contract and our even bigger needs.
I like the move
Is this going to lead to another trade, though? There’s an even bigger glut in the backcourt now.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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why?
Nocioni is a small forward. salmons is a small forward. (or at least can play it)
He's really a 2
And it’s not like there are going to be that many minutes behind Deng anyways.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
he played the 3 next to kevin martin right....
and i really don’t mind if he doesn’t play that much.
but will there be another trade ? i dunno……suppose hinrich could still possibly be moved…..love if hughes was
This makes it Gordon or Hinrich. Gordon or Hinrich.
Where do the Bulls come down?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
If this T-Wolves deal gets done...
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we did it Scotter!
Brad Miller! :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
This has to be a great day for you
Finally, a sports team listens to a blogger!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
There's another deal
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.
???
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the post on sacbee
was saying they heard ike diogu for ruffin.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Sacramento Bee saying
Ruffin for Ike Diaogu
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Correction: Diogu going to Portland
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/019745.html
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Christ
Double Correction: Diogu to Sacramento (sorry too excited to correctly type and furiously clicking every possible source)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
The comments in that article are hilarious.
Definitely underenthused about getting the Bulls’ players.
So happy this went down
and naturally after telilong my co-workers got all angry so now I’m headphoned up and jumping inside for joy…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
wow....spelling fail.
telling*
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
This is a great trade, so long as the Bulls impose a "no cornrowns" rule on Brad Miller...
The white man’s hair was not intended for such abuse, Mr. Miller….
Wow, this is an absolute beast of a move for Thomas and Noah.
No more looking over their shoulders. Clear 40-60 minutes of Gooden/Nocioni into 25-30 max of Miller.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
that is true.
love that. wonder if miller or noah will be coming off the bench. i’d suppose noah.
love the move for tyrus.
here, here
it seems the bulls have decided to double down on Tyrus and Noah
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell. Yes.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Booo!
Where are all the fistpumps going to come from, eh??
And the hacking!?
Bad deal!
no more grit
or for that matter, chin pubes
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
kinda shocked sacramento made this deal :)
SI says it’s a cost-cutting move for them – but taking nocioni’s contract ? Thank you
even's out in the end
they pay $25,000 more in the long run, but save nearly $7 million next year.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
OMG OMG OMG
No more Nocioni…………..just wow.
This likely spells the end of Ben Gordon, though.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
Wait let me get this straight
We got a legit center who expires in 2010, we got a wing in Salmons who can flat out play, (just isnt the best shooter, so I dont know how he pairs with Rose, but still huge upgrade in play making abilities) We got rid of Drew Gooden who is useless to us now and he was stunting the growth of the young guys we have in front of him, and we got rid of Noc who if we didnt have Deng wouldnt be so bad, but since we do he is an extremely over paid back up… WOW… WOWO WOWOWOWOWOW
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions
He's a pretty good shooter
much better at it than Noc.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Being better than NOC
Being better than NOC does not make any one good… Now if he had more “fire” “hustle” “desire” “toughness” “Grittyness” than Noc, than we can compare, I was comparing him to what we use at SG/SF now in BG, Kirk, and Deng
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
He probably has as many or more game winners as Ben does the past 16 months. Happy?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
So does this get us into the Play offs?
I like the move we lose two players I couldn’t stand and a guy we didn’t use much. I wonder what the Micheal Ruffin move is about and I’m aure they would of pulled Kirk or Ben off the bus if we we’re moving him. Maybe it’s Larry and Ruffin for Trash?
whoa easy. not so fast about the playoffs.
but we will be much, much easier to watch.
The way Thomas and Noah were playing without Gooden?
They might ahve been playoff bound anyway, if barely. Just add Miller to what’s happened the last two weeks, I’m sure tht’s a playoff team, if used properly.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Both Noah and Tyrus will benefit mightily from Brad's interior passing.
Miller in the high post feeding Deng and Tyrus on cuts could be a thing of beauty, and gives us another option on top of Rose slashing and dishing.
nocioni is terrible
replacing noc with salmons/miller is a huge upgrade…no more thabo…im starting to like thabo though…i love the deal, but it probably means the end of ben or a very cheap ben unless tor wants him next year
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls now have the two
tallest pot smokers in the league. Well unless I’m totallly misreading Yao.
by silentpete on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
The Chinese Chinese prefer opium
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
at least
they’ll be able to hanfle theier six foot bong without a problem
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
Should be healthy soon.
It was an abdominal strain, and I think they were going day-to-day, thinking there’d be no harm in keeping him on the shelf through the break.
It may have even been an "abdominal strain"
considering Miller reportedly wanted out…
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Flu-like symptoms?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
ding dong Noc is gone! woooooooo!
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
haha i said the same thing to myself
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brad Miller Helping Rose and TT
Something I would like to point out about Brad Miller, with his ability to be on the high post cause he can shoot or pass so well, it opens up Rose and TT to run the high S/R with TT rolling to the basket. We dont have to see another 20 footer by TT on a pop cause thats where Brad Miller will be. Same applies to Noah.. I just hope VDN doesnt screw this up..
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions
Just wondering
The Ruffin trade has to do with the trade exception, right? Portland has a capologist (Tom Penn) who does these weird deals to get small TEs that figure into larger deals… I bet we could see Hinrich in Portland quite shortly.
Let's hope
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I was actually suggesting, earlier,
that you guys might want Hinrich and Salmons? That way, with RAEF, we can sign BG next year…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Anyone have clues as to why John Salmons was so coveted in trades?
1) His career high PER playing the most minutes?
2) His Team option ETO after 09-10?
3) The economy?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
He makes 5.5 million next year
Even if Kirk Hinrich gets traded, the organization has found a cheap, replacement-level player for Ben Gordon. This is all about protecting themselves from going hard after BG in the summer.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, but
Salmons was in rumors for many teams.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
He's had a career year?
And he’s cheap for any team.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
AND HE IS TALL!
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
He had a stretch last year when K-Martin was out similar to what he's done all this year,
so there’s reason to believe his “career year” numbers are pretty representative of what he can do. The problem is his starter vs. bench splits; he only produces seemingly when he’s starting.
NBAO
I know you think he sucks, but you’re so, so wrong here.
??
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
I actually don't think he's that bad
but he’s coming to the Chicago Bulls organization so I don’t expect him to stay the same, nor improve. Factor in the starter versus bench splits, our history with juggling effective players with similar stat deposits, and the messed up rotations excuses all start rolling off the Del Negro assembly line.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I hear you...
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
He's also a very good defender.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Peeps at BE saying Ruffin for Diagu doesn't work on the Trade Machine
I smell a Hinrich deal!!!!!!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
It doesn't work straight up, but does if it's a 3-team trade.
Link. Sorry if this doesn’t work for those of you with older versions of IE. Basically, just go to the Trade Machine, send Salmons and Miller to the Bulls; Gooden, Noc, and Ike to Sacramento; and Ruffin to Portland. Totally works.
Yeah, I saw this later. Good work.
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LOL. Three head Monster...
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
kinda funny though
we’re all psyched on here, but a lot of people on espn.com thinks this trade sucks for the bulls.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Why?
They turned Gooden and Noc into a nice big man with a very nice expiring deal next year and a solid wingman who could replace BG.
They think Gooden and Nocioni are good and Thomas and Noah suck.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
HAHA
Thats the first thing I noticed too when I read the comments… I am like these guys have no clue
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Aldridge worries me though
when he keeps chirping about them in the same vain.
"Miller’s presence could conceivably clear the way for Chicago to move one of its young pivotmen, either Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah, in another deal. "
For how long have we waited here for these two to get PT together? Then it finally happens, the team looks decent, and yet they must be broken up?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
aldridge doesn't know shiite
these guys are reporters first. basketball analysts second.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, But they don't watch and follow the Bulls
like we do.
We now have damn near
25 million coming off of the books after next year. I smell another big trade or signing next year.
That's what i'm hopin' for
But the B;azers never wanna give up anything good, so I’m skeptical
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nah
they gave up Zach Randolph for Channing Frye. Telfair was highly regarded at the time of his trade as well.
For Hinrich getting Rodriguez/LaFrentz would be phenomenal
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
sounds about right...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
After 2 weeks of Amare, maybe
But, it’s clear Phoenix decided the problem was with the coaching, not the players. And the Bulls essentially traded Nocioni for John Salmons, and got Brad Miller for 2 expiring contracts. That’s pretty damn good.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo. I think jerry is still a bit hung up on Amare.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
no, seriously, i'm not
I just don’t understand the Salmons angle and I’m not crazy about Miller. I gave up on Amare 2 days ago
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
You'd rather have Noc than Salmons?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
No, you guys are right
I’m coming around, I just was thinking out loud at first:)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Miller is an above average rental for the rest of this season and next
Salmons….well he’s alright I guess. I feel better having him off the bench than Thabo, that’s one thing.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
THANKS
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
GREAT TRADE.
I am impressed and surprised. But doesn’t it seem that Deng and Salmons are both to good (in theory) to be reserves?
Maybe something (trade?) is up with Deng.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions
I
commented in the closed thread the same thing. Hinrich and Deng to Portland???
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Stop, I'm drooling
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can someone explain Salmons role on this team?
He’s too good to be a bench player and he can’t play ahead of Lu, so what’s his role?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
He can replace Larry Hughes as the designated pouter
Supposedly he hates coming off the bench (and doesn’t play well as a reserve either), so that may be an issue.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
BG back to bench
I kid I kid… but cant u just see VDN doing that?
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
Salmons is probably in the team’s plans more than Gordon is now, unfortunately.
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly what I expect.
And I don’t disagree. Salmons doesn’t produce if he doesn’t start. BG is much more mature about being sixth man, and can still produce from there.
And honestly I'm ok with it
Gordon isn’t coming back to this team anyways. It’s probably a good time to get the team adjusted to scoring without him in the lineup.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really know how much other teams are interested in ben gordon
He sure can score, but he’s undersized and can be very selfish at times. BG wants a big contract, but I don’t see any team overpaying and paying BG what he wants, especially in our economy as of right now. BG is gonna try to get his money, but no team will give it to him.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't the proper thread for this debate
No one has to overpay for him, whatever offer he likes he’ll take.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I was just responding to your comment before...
I can see BG coming back to the bulls, we still have too many guards on this team…there needs to be another trade tomorrow
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He's tall!
See, big trade, and it didn’t even screw up the old cliches. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Agreed--what the Bulls see in him is height. Especially compared to BG,
despite how unfair that analysis is.
Also, is it possible (please? could it be?) that Salmons lights a fire under Thabo? Or si the org done with Thabo?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
There's always the possibility of Gordon going to the bench
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I feel larry will be traded by tomorrow
and that would basically make last years trade of ben wallace for hughes and gooden moot.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons Role
Do Not Piss off BABers as much as Noc
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
He's probably exactly as good as a 6th man
He can get really hot come nights, but is more just a decent player getting a lot of shots on a bad team.
In other words
On a good team that isn’t really bad like the Kings, he’s best as a bench scorer who has the offense go through him, and an injury-time starter.
He needs to drive to be effective
He’ll be able to get that with the Bulls. I don’t know who we have to sit more to play Salmons though. It’s Deng or Gordon.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
appears Ruffin
was part of our deal and then sent to Portland for Diogu + $1 million
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions
Covered above
Could be a precursor to a Hinrich trade.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
everything above
suggests Hinrich would be part of that package in a 3 way
this is refuted by the report suggesting Ruffin was in this deal, not a separate one
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with that
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
WOO HOO
WOO HOO WOO HOO WOO HOO… sorry this is starting to be good to be true.. I am now nervous something really bad is gonna happen like Pax is gonna trade Rose or something lol
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Cap hell. Say goodbye to Gordon
Miller $11.4 $12.25 Salm $5.41 $6.27 $6.68 Gooden $7.15 Noc $8.00 $7.50 $7.00 Bulls In $16.81 $18.52 $6.68 Bulls Out $15.15 $7.500 $7.00 Net change $1.660 $11.02 $(0.32)
that sucks...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
can't we re-sign Ben
and just pay the luxury tax for the one year, what you’re not counting into that is the big drop-off in the following year
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
"hahahahaha"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
though I completely agree with you, btw
I just don’t see it as likely.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
i mean it would only be paying the tax for 1 year....
and it would be well known in advance we’d only be paying it for 1 year
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
It's not just paying the tax.
It’s also losing the money from the tax-payers.
(we’ve been over this…)
Dorf’s not having that
I did as well
But, really, it’s sad innit? Ben is a damn good scorer.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Totally possible, but not probable.
If we were willing to pay tax for Ben, we would have signed him this year.
different scenario
that was paying the tax for MULTIPLE seasons, unless a deal was made
now that the deal is made, we know the tax is only for one season
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
AND
WITH THE RETURNING WHITE WHALE
WE ARE NOW OVERLORDS OF THE EAST!!!!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
(BTW, Ozzie said it first down here.) Truly this is a great, great day.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
That question was answered last summer.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Where you getting that salary data from?
ShamSports has Salmons at 5.6 million next year, and an ETO for 5.8 in 2010.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons has a "get traded kicker" clause
2 mil bonus if you want to trade him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
2 mil bonus
spread apart equally over the remaining years on his contract.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
lame
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
I've added in the trade kicker Salmons got
Salary from my site
I track every transaction and keep it up to date.
I’m not sure if Simmons/Diogu really is happening, because that would appear to put the Kings over the Tax. Why would they do that?
i don't think this chart includes ruffins or simmons...
does that make any difference?
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Salaries
The Bulls probably end up saving a little this season but Ruffin and Simmons contract both expire at the end of this season.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
You left out Simmons and Ruffin leaving...
Needed to keep the Bulls from paying the TAX this season.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Yeah, it wasn't confirmed at the time I posted that
gets us under the tax this year, makes for no change next year or after.
I dig this trade
Both Miller and Salmons are much more efficient shooters and better passers than Noc and Gooden (or more willing to pass, anyway). Plus Salmons fouls about half as much as Noc and gets to the line more often (where he shoots a higher percentage).
Usually Luol hurts himself when he feels pressure
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Is Hinrich still on the bus?
Noc, Gooden, and Ruffin all pulled from it.
Come on Gar Paxdorf.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
How do you know this?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
wasn't in just something "general" and NBAO is speculating from the rumors?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
After reading it, yes. You are correct.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Guys can we get a brief moment of silence for the Drew Gooden blog
(Taps plays in background)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
at least we know tyrus thomas playing time wont get cut
by drew gooden. I wonder if vinnie will be playing massive with brad miller and noah in at same time. hmmm…
yeabut
don’t you think vinnie will see his glorious matchups differently, pulling ty to go big with white whale, noah, and whale jr. for the frontcourt?
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
And somehow Aaron Gray is still a Bull
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
whether or not it's to Portland
Hinrich is likely gone before the deadline, right? Paxson (sorry, Gar Paxdorf) can’t even use his ‘Ben Gordon insurance’ reasoning, as that’s now Salmons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions
and
keeping both Hinrich and Salmons to come off the bench is not going to be good for anyone (especially Gordon)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's most definitely gone
Especially since they still have Larry Hughes on the team. There’s no way they’re keeping Hinrich, Hughes, AND Salmons around. Not to mention Thabo.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Or we trade salmons for a 2nd round pick
a la JR Smith!
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be a great trade.
Rid 3 years of ~$6 mil/yr for nothing?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
my thoughts exactly
i like this deal regardless because it ships out noc, but i’ll love it if it ends up in expirings coming back for hinrich
Maybe that Minnesota deal is still alive,
Gosh, I hope not.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Why not?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins? You kidding me!?
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Expiring contracts so we can re-sign BG
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I doubt BG wants to stick around this mess.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
$$$$$$ talks
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
meh
Gordon also said he was ‘confused’ when they acquired Hughes and his minutes went down. I think he wants a full-time role too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
He has to be gone
Because they still have to sit Hughes on the bench till next February.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly what I just pointed out. There's no way
we’re keeping all of Kirk, Hughes, Thabo, AND Salmons.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Hughes could just go home I guess
though that doesn’t really ‘solve’ anything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I know that in the grand sceme of things this isn't very important
but are we now gonna become the worst three point shooting team in the league?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Brad Miller has range
Although his shooting percentage needs more cornrows to be effective.
Wait, we don’t still have that team rule against corn rows?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it was just "No Eddy Currys"
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Salmons somehow is shooting 42% from 3 this year
Plus Miller is a big man who can actually shoot, so I consider that an upgrade.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting, I didn't actually look
I always thought Salmons was a poor shooter
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
You should always look.
informed opinions are better than ignorant ones. Seriously.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Do you have some sort of problem?
Is there a reason why you’re always trying to start shit? Cause it’s getting pretty fucking old.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm serious. You (anyone) should always look things up if they're unsure.
Don’t assume. You make an ass, blah blah blah.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Half my problems on here (or anywhere on Blogfrica)...
…would be solved if people actually looking shit up first. The other half, well, I still have to go to counseling for that.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
It wasn't just a guess
I’ve watched a lot of Salmons in the past and I always thought he was a poor shooter. I don’t have to look everything up before I type it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I actually was right anyway, in seven years in the league this is the first time he's shot over 35%
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said below
He’s average, and the fact that Nocioni is a horrible shooter everywhere else on the floor means there really isn’t much to worry about. What’s the difference in Salmons chucking or Noce chucking?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
No, I agree
I was just trying to prove a point because Tyger appears to be hell bent on ripping everything I say
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say anything that was so idiotic it merits your bullshit.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine, I've been over it
You’re always a really good poster. I just think it’s weak when you start taking shots, and it seems like you’re only interested starting an argument.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
For his career, he is average
And when you look at Nocioni’s regular FG% (41%), his outside shooting was totally negated by his retarded shot selection.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He's been shooting way better than Noc for the last two seasons
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
wow, a Mike A. sighting!
nothing like a trade that gets old-time readers out of their spiderholes :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Now I'm curious what Salmons numbers
are like before and after acquiring Beno Udrih.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Isn’t it enough that some players are professional enough to work and improve as their career advances? What’s Udrih got to do with Salmons? He’s produced well as a starter for the last year and more. And even off the bench before then, and when Artest was still around AND ARTEST NEEDED TO START, he was more productive than Nocioni f’chrissakes.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
How do you figure?
Miller is 20-43 this year and Salmons shoots about 42% from downtown.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's fummy to hear radio guys being upset or confused about this trade
Upset fro not getting Amare or another “blockbuster,super trade”.
How can they SO clueless???
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
They have brains for radio?
Which radio guys? I’d think Boers and Bernstein get the gist of this deal.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure about names.Those on ESPN1000.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Before 2004
I paid very, very little attention to the salaries and cap/CBA stuff. We’re just much more hardcore now.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Hey
You said “fummy”, LOL!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Ha!I would miss it if not you.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
I was adding some numbers.
Miller makes 12 million and so does Hughes. Salmons makes 5.5.
Does this really mean we will have 29 million dollars coming off our books in 2010?
players that have 0% chance of signing in Chicago
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
but we do have 29 million dollars in expiring contracts to teams that want those players, right?
So we will have more opportunities for lopsided trades where talent is traded for expiring contracts?
Salmons has an ETO (basically a player option) for 2010-2011.
If he’s playnig well, he could exercise it. But he’ll be older. Who knows?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Being older will probably militate for him opting out.
The sooner he gets his next contract, the better chance he has of getting more years. People don’t give long-term contracts to older players unless they’re superstars.
That would be my hope.
These guys almost always opt out for that reason.
by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And if he keeps playing like this
he’ll be due more than that $5.8M or whatever. Unless the world truly is ending now.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Especially if they don't re-sign Gordon.
and/or trading Hinrich. He’d get haevy minutes, have good per-game numbers at 30.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Bosh will sign anywhere that isn't Toronto
So, I wouldn’t write him off.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think wade has more than a fair chance of ending up here as well
Bosh too.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
salmons is for 3 yrs, not 2
but yeah, hughes and bmiller are gonna expire in 2010, so that’s at least 24 mil free
great to get salmons for 5 mil for 3 yrs.
but bmiller’s 2-yr contract effectively ends gordon resigning after this yr, unless they make another trade
by Orange Juice on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons has an ETO. I'm not confident he won't exercise it.
I’d say it’s 50/50, no?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Good move
Anything that gets rid of Noc is great actually. Something else has to happen though. I’m looking for Kirk to be gone by tomorrow. PLEASE Gar Paxdorf!! We need to keep Ben.
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ur an idiot
that’s all
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because John Salmons is amazing.
It’s interesting, though. We’ll have to see how he plays here. Salmons is much less of a team guy than Gordon, though [and yes, I know what I’m saying].
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Outstanding!
Did we finally just acquire the M2GWCDS? (Old school Blog a Bull reference for y’all)
by Jobu on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I thought Eddie Basedn was the M2GWCDS.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Feeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssss
Gooooooooooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh…………
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Noc got traded and I
JIZZED IN MY PANTS
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woo Hoo!
This is step 1 of 3.
Step 2 : Trade Hinrich
Step 3: Trade Hughes
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Keep Hughes and his deal.
He’ll be highly sought after around next year’s deadline.
Trade him now - addition by subtraction
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
so is Hughes gonna be a Marbury and just sit on the bench while getting paid...
I think that’s unlikely. Even if we do keep Hughes, I don’t see him giving it his all after disabling from the roster.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt he'll be happy about it
but that’s how its turning out to be. Who cares what he likes and doesn’t like anyways? He’s Larry Hughes for Christ sake
Exactly.
He’s not happy and not in our long-term plans. Why wait until next season to send him packing?
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I'm advocating it, but the argument is that he'll have more value next year than this year.
The return would (arguably) be better.
Rumor is
he will go to Washington for Mike James and Etan Thomas.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
even if he was
Brad Miller is an expiring 2010 deal too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
heh, Kings fans
Nocioni be ballin!!!…dude got all around game and he’s fiery…anything to finally get the 7 foot pt guard out of here…although i do like salmons i would rather see k mart go!!..salmons is a lot more versatile then kevin and if we let kmart go it’ll free up room to let cisco play more and cisco is a much more complete player then kmart…
Really, Kevin Martin go?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
He means Go as in
Go Go Go. Play more.
Dionysus2.0: Why resort to name calling?
Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
Matt won't like this
But my fellow BAB pals…..a moment of silence for El Chapu.
::Watches tape of 2004 gold medal game, drinks fifth of scotch and drunk dials Skiles::
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
this fist pump's for you, Chapu
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's not forget his favorite position
The floor.
by NittanyCub on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Was this a photo
from his 22.1 playoff PER year?
Black shoes and all.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
why not
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/18/763392/official-goodbye-noc-threa
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be missed in a way
Noc’s biggest problem was his contact and his usage. Pax completely overpaid for him and that screwed the roster for the last 2+ seasons.
I didn’t have a problem with his role off the bench as a 3 or occassional 4, but Skiles/Boylan/VDN played him to much at the 4.
None of that is Noc’s fault. His style of play is matter of strong opinion around here, but that shouldn’t have been a surprise for the last 3 seasons – he was who we thought he was.
Plus, now who’s going to team up with Luol Deng for that awkward international vibe when the they do “Name that Tune” on the big screen during timeouts?
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
he's fine as a 4
the problem was putting him at the 4 and gooden at the 5. if we had a big center to put him with, it would be different.
but right, his usage wasn’t his fault. i’ll miss him in a way. i liked him in the earlier seasons – but it was kinda clear he’d had enough here.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
True - on this roster there wasn't a 5 that he matched well as a 4
Or, hell, wasn’t there an odd line up to close out a big win this year that had Noc as the 5 and Deng as the 4? Maybe I’m confused…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
3..... 4..... 5.....
it matters not. no tears for those two.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
i said "in a way"
as in the “you seem like a good guy, so i’m sorry you have to move and play for such a shitty team – i hope you succeed, but good riddance” kind of way :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
love bmiller's expiring contract more than bmiller
we’ll have two of the largest expiring contracts in 2010: hughes and bmiller
if we stay patient, we can turn that into a superstar.
basically $25 mil free after 2010. that’s huge.
I wonder if Artest and Brand are also available
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Eddie Robinson would be a cheap D-League call-up
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
I'm so kidding, Just thought I'd point that out
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Tyrus, Rose, and E-Rob all in next year's!!!
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
dunk contest*
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I think the absolute key here is to be patient, we have a bunch of cap space opening up, have some good pieces in place, and are a major market, we have all the tools necessary to attract a key free agent in 2010. Let’s not blow a legit shot at entering the NBA elite through having a short attention span.
They're after our precious bodily fluids
The trade is better than "meh"
It makes the Bulls a little bit better in the short-term and clears out money in a couple of years in the long-term. This doesn’t make my heart aflutter, but at least the Bulls got the better players back here.
a little less
also for at minimum 1 year less also, possibly 2.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
lol
@ 162 new comments in the 15 minutes it took me to drive home from work…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Hey
I can offically cop the Ben Wallace McFarlane jonz…..Now when i see him, I can think :
wallace → gooden —> Miller
yeah!
"Kiss my Converse!" - Sho'nuff
wow
i don’t know how they scored this, but talent wise we gain a lot!
Hmm
No mention of this on bulls.com anywhere. Please let me know if you find it. Anyway, the Bulls traded two players with almost identical stats (Gooden and Miller). I like Salmons and I think he’s a good scorer but that just adds another guard to that party. So, could this just be clearing space for Amare?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions
he's a 2/3
so he’ll probably take Noc’s backup SF minutes also.
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i was just making the point about having to play another guard
at least salmons can use the SF minutes… he’s not going to be using the PF minutes. :P
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Gooden would have had to be in any Amare deal
So that’s pretty much off the table now.
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Salmons can play the forward just as well probably
And the Amare deal died a few days ago. Phoenix just was’t ready to let him go.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nut why trade 2 people
Who have almost identical stats?
Miller
Gooden
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
And they both
play about the same defense too!
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One of these
makes shots, passes, and plays center. One of these doesn’t.
by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Miller FG%
is only about 3 percent higher. He does average 2 more assists though.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Miller true shooting percentage
Is 56, Gooden’s is 51, which is worse than Tyrus.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I got different numbers
Where are you looking that up?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't just look at regular FG%
True shooting is a better measure because it combines regular field goals, free throws, and 3 pointers into one number. Gives you a better measure of how efficient a guy is in getting their points.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
And he's also
A CENTER who can score and pass. Gooden is neither. And 2 inches taller.
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Miller is better in every way imaginable on offense
Defensively they are both worthless. Net positive.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
One quibble: Gooden is a better defensive rebounder.
But yes, Miller is the better basketball player, by far.
It's ok since Tyrus will be doing any rebounding Gooden could have done.
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True, Gooden is the better rebounder
I’m just assuming Tyrus will continue at this current playing rate, and Miller will at least try harder because he’s on a better team that has a shot of making the playoffs.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
He is better, but by a few percentage points
Their DRB% are basically the same, as well as TRB. Gooden does take the cake in ORB, though.
He also takes the cake in post-up 15 foot fadeaway J's, though.
So glad our ‘impossible duo’ is gone. [Impossible, because they can’t goard anyone … to save their lives! Get it? Hahahaha… eh.]
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sorry but
no, I don’t get it
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, neither do I,
but I wanted to come up with a catchy nickname.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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Miller should be on the floor with either TT or Noah,
both of whom can pick up the slack on the boards.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Miller is Tall
and a better passer, not a chucker, not a PF. Meaning no time cut from Tyrus and a real scoring option at the 5. Oh and his contract expires after next year when all the good free agents will be, uh, free agents.
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because they don't get them identicalllllllyly..
Look at the assisting and usage %‘s in advanced stats. Basically, Gooden’s a ballhog. Miller’s a facilitator.
Think of either having a shot with Thomas and/or Deng cutting to the basket. The shot goes up w/ Gooden. The ball gets passed to Deng or Thomas with Miller.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Let's face it
Brad Miller is a better passer than Magic Johnson and John Stockton combined. Bow down to the new overlords of the East.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is the frontpage an article from Dana O'Neil about a Clemson bbball player
There’s so many other big things that people care about, the bulls trade and the NBA deadline coming up are only a few things. ESPN has gone down the crapper.
The NBA's fanbase isn't as big as you'd expect.
What NBA fans there are tend to be hard core, but in quantity there are probably more out there for college basketball.
why go to ESPN.com?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
maybe the red sox did something today?
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by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Aldridge is still reporting
that Hughes still might go to Washington:
Sources indicate Hughes could still potentially be sent to Washington in exchange for guard Mike James and center Etan Thomas if the Bulls don’t make any other big deals.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Yea, just send him home
From what I’ve heard Mike James isn’t exactly Nelson Mandella anyway
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
That would be bad if Etan Thomas took minutes away from Tyrus/Noah
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yeah
I thought he was out for the year??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Never mind
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the perfect complementary player then.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
ET can take Ruffin's role on the team!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
This team could very well be
a shell of its former self by tomorrow.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
heh, true indeed
a third of the team left today (wow)…I’ll be ultra excited if we can get rid of Hughes or Kirk by tomorrow.
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I'll take it
Mike James is a servicable backup PG
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Who likes to jack up shots at a crappy percentage. I'd rather have Duhon back.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so Mike James
play 5-10 min /gm… Not really a big deal
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
I'd rather have Hughes play 5-10 min/gm
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
where is Hughes going to play
Salmons can play both the 2 and the 3. He can backup both Deng/BG
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
How does this trade help?
Thomas and James’ contracts both run through next season, same as Hughes. So you swap Hughes for another shot-jacking guard and throw another mediocre, injury-prone big man into the mix? Doesn’t make any sense is all I’m sayin’.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
No it doesn't
make a whole lot of sense. Pax just promised a trade to Larry, and now he’ll have to do the same to these guys……. But the season is mostly over and perhaps they can be traded as expirings over the summer??? Keep them players movin’…..
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Etan Thomas is a nice piece, when healthy.
He can totally be the meaty enforcer type on defense. Having Etan Thomas next year means Aaron Gray doesn’t ever have to play.
I always liked him a bit too
He’s undersized though.
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No Noc. or Gooden
means A LOT of Tyrus tonight!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Thank god
Finally a trade, and a good one at that.
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McGraw:
STOUDEMIRE STILL IN PLAY?
I’d say the only way the Bulls trade Hinrich for an expiring deal is if they have something else brewing. One theory is Collins and whoever else (Sebastian Telfair as a backup for Steve Nash?) would be sent to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire, along with Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha and draft picks.
By moving Hinirch’s salary ($10 million this year), the Bulls would be able to take on Stoudemire and have the ammunition to re-sign Ben Gordon this summer.
If everything worked out, the Bulls could get a desirable starting lineup of Derrick Rose, Gordon, Luol Deng, Stoudemire and Joakim Noah, with Salmons and Miller coming off the bench.
It’s too soon to tell what the chances are of this coming true and there may be other trades still being circulated. But this appears to be what the Bulls have in mind.
Yeah, I know the Suns supposedly backed off trading Stoudemire, but their need for payroll relief is still an issue. All that talk might have been an attempt to build leverage.
The NBA trade deadline is Thursday at 2 p.m. Central time. It will be interesting to see if anyone sits out tonight at Milwaukee. I’ll update as soon as I know.
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1459
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That would be awesome
I really hope that happens.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good looks on that
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Ok, now my head really is gonna explode
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
If this happens....
I’ll need a day off work just to recover.
It works
in the Trade Machine, but it only cuts $6.2 mil this summer for Phoenix, so I’m not sure its enough for them to get it done.
--Torch
kinky
…damn i’m immature
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by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Cedric Simmons!!!!!
Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
We hardly knew ye, Ced!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
One source said the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.
Wow, that’s akward… good thing they weren’t flying:)
by smash! on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lol
good thing they weren’t flying
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
God, I would have LOVED to tell Gooden and Nocioni they were leaving
Now guys, Drew and Andres didn’t just get traded to Sacramento
Not
update by KC
Gooden told the Tribune by phone. “Sacramento has been interested in me for a couple years, so maybe something can work out long-term there. If not, I’m an unrestricted free agent this summer, so I’m auditioning for other teams.”
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
i hope sacramento doesn't see this before it's official.
or just wouldn’t mind sending him home.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Say what ya want, but Gooden seems to be a classy dude
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
i think gooden's hilarious.
he seems like a good guy. but i’m tired of watching him in a bulls uni.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I feel a little bad for him.
Dude probably just wants to spend more than a year on some team.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, exactly what I thought.
Play team ball or make shoot 60% TS% and he’d stay.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
he had already shaved it
to a normal beard, though.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I think off-court he was a good guy
but he looked like he was on ‘contract year mode’ when on the court this season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
He's been in the league long enough
To understand how life goes for a mediocre player like himself. He just wants to get paid, and he’s still under 30.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
"auditioning for other teams" = "shooting every time I touch the ball"
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I feel somewhat bad for Gooden
he’s been traded 4 times already. Good enough to be wanted, not good enough to stay wanted, I guess.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
He was doomed here
in a way as the Wallace replacement. Maybe he’s taller, but he’s not a center.
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Apparently Salmons hates coming off the bench...
This guy better not turn into the next Larry Hughes