Aldridge: Bulls to land Salmons, Miller for Nocioni, Gooden
[UPDATE: Chris Sheridan has Simmons included in a deal to Sacramento, as well as Ruffin being dumped on the Blazers -ed.]
[Bumped and edited from the FanShots. I likely can't give more coherent thoughts for a while, but as a quick take:
A decent deal, because I love me some Brad Miller and really think he can complement Tyrus and Noah extremely well. Obviously dealing Gooden's contract means an Amare deal is all but toast, but that looks to be as much on Phoenix's side as the Bulls.
And, as a prerequisite for all Bulls personnel moves: this screws Ben Gordon. Any mention of the Kings saving money next season means that's what the Bulls are taking on. Hopefully they're not done. -ed.]
Big props to Gar Paxdorf or whoever managed to send off Noc.
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i love, love, love getting rid of nocioni and his contract.
i also love, love, love adding brad miller.
i love losing gooden too – just can’t stand watching his inconsistency.
my only major question – is this a good cost-cutting move for us ?
I haven’t checked the numbers. curious.
miller's contract ends next season
and salmon’s has an ETO at that time also – so depending on how he fares, he could also be gone in 2010. he’s also cheaper than nocioni anyways.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That's good news. i'm pleasantly shocked by such a good move.
actually i’m freaking thrilled.
miller will be a nice add…..he’s lost a couple steps and isn’t athletic for sure….but he can hit jumpers and is smart. (smarts that gooden definitely didn’t have). he could compliment our athletic bigs well.
I would also guess we see less (or none) of Aaron Gray
Which is typically good. Unless Yao Ming comes to town and we need to throw some big flabby guys at him.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
This is Matt's dream trade.
(well, as much as can be hoped for)
it screws any room for next year w/o unloading hinrich.
So at this point, it really becomes: Gordon or Hinrich.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
yeah... it could
i guess they would view salmons as “insurance/leverage” if they traded Hinrich.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
If we can trade Hinrich
to the T-Wolves for expirings and then re-sign BG in the offseason, I’ll be fucking pumped
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My god, this is incredible.
This is almost as awesome as getting Amare. Chapu is gone!!!!!!!!
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agreed
People really underestimate Salmons’ and Miller’s abilities. Very good, smart players, especially offensively. Our team actually has offensive talent now outside of Rose, Gordon, and Disappearing Deng. We are making the playoffs now, unless Vinny REALLY screws rotations up.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
only problem is salmons wants to start
will he still try coming off the bench??
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I proclaimed my appreciation for Salmons in 2008 and was viewed as a lunatic. It helps if you actually watch other teams play.
by messwiththebull on Feb 18, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Have the Bulls played Sacramento twice already.....
I don’t want to see Noc hacking Deng just yet.
That sucks
I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit more Noc….
Though I’m happy with the trade cuz of his huge contract and our even bigger needs.
I like the move
Is this going to lead to another trade, though? There’s an even bigger glut in the backcourt now.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
why?
Nocioni is a small forward. salmons is a small forward. (or at least can play it)
He's really a 2
And it’s not like there are going to be that many minutes behind Deng anyways.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
he played the 3 next to kevin martin right....
and i really don’t mind if he doesn’t play that much.
but will there be another trade ? i dunno……suppose hinrich could still possibly be moved…..love if hughes was
This makes it Gordon or Hinrich. Gordon or Hinrich.
Where do the Bulls come down?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
If this T-Wolves deal gets done...
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we did it Scotter!
Brad Miller! :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
This has to be a great day for you
Finally, a sports team listens to a blogger!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
There's another deal
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.
???
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the post on sacbee
was saying they heard ike diogu for ruffin.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Sacramento Bee saying
Ruffin for Ike Diaogu
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Correction: Diogu going to Portland
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/019745.html
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Christ
Double Correction: Diogu to Sacramento (sorry too excited to correctly type and furiously clicking every possible source)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
The comments in that article are hilarious.
Definitely underenthused about getting the Bulls’ players.
So happy this went down
and naturally after telilong my co-workers got all angry so now I’m headphoned up and jumping inside for joy…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
wow....spelling fail.
telling*
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
This is a great trade, so long as the Bulls impose a "no cornrowns" rule on Brad Miller...
The white man’s hair was not intended for such abuse, Mr. Miller….
Wow, this is an absolute beast of a move for Thomas and Noah.
No more looking over their shoulders. Clear 40-60 minutes of Gooden/Nocioni into 25-30 max of Miller.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 18, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
that is true.
love that. wonder if miller or noah will be coming off the bench. i’d suppose noah.
love the move for tyrus.
here, here
it seems the bulls have decided to double down on Tyrus and Noah
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell. Yes.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Booo!
Where are all the fistpumps going to come from, eh??
And the hacking!?
Bad deal!
no more grit
or for that matter, chin pubes
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
kinda shocked sacramento made this deal :)
SI says it’s a cost-cutting move for them – but taking nocioni’s contract ? Thank you
even's out in the end
they pay $25,000 more in the long run, but save nearly $7 million next year.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
OMG OMG OMG
No more Nocioni…………..just wow.
This likely spells the end of Ben Gordon, though.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
Wait let me get this straight
We got a legit center who expires in 2010, we got a wing in Salmons who can flat out play, (just isnt the best shooter, so I dont know how he pairs with Rose, but still huge upgrade in play making abilities) We got rid of Drew Gooden who is useless to us now and he was stunting the growth of the young guys we have in front of him, and we got rid of Noc who if we didnt have Deng wouldnt be so bad, but since we do he is an extremely over paid back up… WOW… WOWO WOWOWOWOWOW
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions
He's a pretty good shooter
much better at it than Noc.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Being better than NOC
Being better than NOC does not make any one good… Now if he had more “fire” “hustle” “desire” “toughness” “Grittyness” than Noc, than we can compare, I was comparing him to what we use at SG/SF now in BG, Kirk, and Deng
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
He probably has as many or more game winners as Ben does the past 16 months. Happy?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
So does this get us into the Play offs?
I like the move we lose two players I couldn’t stand and a guy we didn’t use much. I wonder what the Micheal Ruffin move is about and I’m aure they would of pulled Kirk or Ben off the bus if we we’re moving him. Maybe it’s Larry and Ruffin for Trash?
whoa easy. not so fast about the playoffs.
but we will be much, much easier to watch.
The way Thomas and Noah were playing without Gooden?
They might ahve been playoff bound anyway, if barely. Just add Miller to what’s happened the last two weeks, I’m sure tht’s a playoff team, if used properly.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Both Noah and Tyrus will benefit mightily from Brad's interior passing.
Miller in the high post feeding Deng and Tyrus on cuts could be a thing of beauty, and gives us another option on top of Rose slashing and dishing.
nocioni is terrible
replacing noc with salmons/miller is a huge upgrade…no more thabo…im starting to like thabo though…i love the deal, but it probably means the end of ben or a very cheap ben unless tor wants him next year
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls now have the two
tallest pot smokers in the league. Well unless I’m totallly misreading Yao.
by silentpete on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
The Chinese Chinese prefer opium
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
at least
they’ll be able to hanfle theier six foot bong without a problem
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
Should be healthy soon.
It was an abdominal strain, and I think they were going day-to-day, thinking there’d be no harm in keeping him on the shelf through the break.
It may have even been an "abdominal strain"
considering Miller reportedly wanted out…
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Flu-like symptoms?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
ding dong Noc is gone! woooooooo!
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 18, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
haha i said the same thing to myself
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brad Miller Helping Rose and TT
Something I would like to point out about Brad Miller, with his ability to be on the high post cause he can shoot or pass so well, it opens up Rose and TT to run the high S/R with TT rolling to the basket. We dont have to see another 20 footer by TT on a pop cause thats where Brad Miller will be. Same applies to Noah.. I just hope VDN doesnt screw this up..
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions
Just wondering
The Ruffin trade has to do with the trade exception, right? Portland has a capologist (Tom Penn) who does these weird deals to get small TEs that figure into larger deals… I bet we could see Hinrich in Portland quite shortly.
Let's hope
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I was actually suggesting, earlier,
that you guys might want Hinrich and Salmons? That way, with RAEF, we can sign BG next year…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Anyone have clues as to why John Salmons was so coveted in trades?
1) His career high PER playing the most minutes?
2) His Team option ETO after 09-10?
3) The economy?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
He makes 5.5 million next year
Even if Kirk Hinrich gets traded, the organization has found a cheap, replacement-level player for Ben Gordon. This is all about protecting themselves from going hard after BG in the summer.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, but
Salmons was in rumors for many teams.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
He's had a career year?
And he’s cheap for any team.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
AND HE IS TALL!
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
He had a stretch last year when K-Martin was out similar to what he's done all this year,
so there’s reason to believe his “career year” numbers are pretty representative of what he can do. The problem is his starter vs. bench splits; he only produces seemingly when he’s starting.
NBAO
I know you think he sucks, but you’re so, so wrong here.
??
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
I actually don't think he's that bad
but he’s coming to the Chicago Bulls organization so I don’t expect him to stay the same, nor improve. Factor in the starter versus bench splits, our history with juggling effective players with similar stat deposits, and the messed up rotations excuses all start rolling off the Del Negro assembly line.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I hear you...
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
He's also a very good defender.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Peeps at BE saying Ruffin for Diagu doesn't work on the Trade Machine
I smell a Hinrich deal!!!!!!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
It doesn't work straight up, but does if it's a 3-team trade.
Link. Sorry if this doesn’t work for those of you with older versions of IE. Basically, just go to the Trade Machine, send Salmons and Miller to the Bulls; Gooden, Noc, and Ike to Sacramento; and Ruffin to Portland. Totally works.
Yeah, I saw this later. Good work.
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LOL. Three head Monster...
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
kinda funny though
we’re all psyched on here, but a lot of people on espn.com thinks this trade sucks for the bulls.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Why?
They turned Gooden and Noc into a nice big man with a very nice expiring deal next year and a solid wingman who could replace BG.
They think Gooden and Nocioni are good and Thomas and Noah suck.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
HAHA
Thats the first thing I noticed too when I read the comments… I am like these guys have no clue
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Aldridge worries me though
when he keeps chirping about them in the same vain.
"Miller’s presence could conceivably clear the way for Chicago to move one of its young pivotmen, either Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah, in another deal. "
For how long have we waited here for these two to get PT together? Then it finally happens, the team looks decent, and yet they must be broken up?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
aldridge doesn't know shiite
these guys are reporters first. basketball analysts second.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, But they don't watch and follow the Bulls
like we do.
We now have damn near
25 million coming off of the books after next year. I smell another big trade or signing next year.
That's what i'm hopin' for
But the B;azers never wanna give up anything good, so I’m skeptical
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nah
they gave up Zach Randolph for Channing Frye. Telfair was highly regarded at the time of his trade as well.
For Hinrich getting Rodriguez/LaFrentz would be phenomenal
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
sounds about right...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
After 2 weeks of Amare, maybe
But, it’s clear Phoenix decided the problem was with the coaching, not the players. And the Bulls essentially traded Nocioni for John Salmons, and got Brad Miller for 2 expiring contracts. That’s pretty damn good.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo. I think jerry is still a bit hung up on Amare.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
no, seriously, i'm not
I just don’t understand the Salmons angle and I’m not crazy about Miller. I gave up on Amare 2 days ago
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
You'd rather have Noc than Salmons?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
No, you guys are right
I’m coming around, I just was thinking out loud at first:)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Miller is an above average rental for the rest of this season and next
Salmons….well he’s alright I guess. I feel better having him off the bench than Thabo, that’s one thing.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
THANKS
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
GREAT TRADE.
I am impressed and surprised. But doesn’t it seem that Deng and Salmons are both to good (in theory) to be reserves?
Maybe something (trade?) is up with Deng.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions
I
commented in the closed thread the same thing. Hinrich and Deng to Portland???
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Stop, I'm drooling
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can someone explain Salmons role on this team?
He’s too good to be a bench player and he can’t play ahead of Lu, so what’s his role?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
He can replace Larry Hughes as the designated pouter
Supposedly he hates coming off the bench (and doesn’t play well as a reserve either), so that may be an issue.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
BG back to bench
I kid I kid… but cant u just see VDN doing that?
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
Salmons is probably in the team’s plans more than Gordon is now, unfortunately.
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly what I expect.
And I don’t disagree. Salmons doesn’t produce if he doesn’t start. BG is much more mature about being sixth man, and can still produce from there.
And honestly I'm ok with it
Gordon isn’t coming back to this team anyways. It’s probably a good time to get the team adjusted to scoring without him in the lineup.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really know how much other teams are interested in ben gordon
He sure can score, but he’s undersized and can be very selfish at times. BG wants a big contract, but I don’t see any team overpaying and paying BG what he wants, especially in our economy as of right now. BG is gonna try to get his money, but no team will give it to him.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't the proper thread for this debate
No one has to overpay for him, whatever offer he likes he’ll take.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I was just responding to your comment before...
I can see BG coming back to the bulls, we still have too many guards on this team…there needs to be another trade tomorrow
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He's tall!
See, big trade, and it didn’t even screw up the old cliches. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Agreed--what the Bulls see in him is height. Especially compared to BG,
despite how unfair that analysis is.
Also, is it possible (please? could it be?) that Salmons lights a fire under Thabo? Or si the org done with Thabo?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
There's always the possibility of Gordon going to the bench
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I feel larry will be traded by tomorrow
and that would basically make last years trade of ben wallace for hughes and gooden moot.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons Role
Do Not Piss off BABers as much as Noc
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
He's probably exactly as good as a 6th man
He can get really hot come nights, but is more just a decent player getting a lot of shots on a bad team.
In other words
On a good team that isn’t really bad like the Kings, he’s best as a bench scorer who has the offense go through him, and an injury-time starter.
He needs to drive to be effective
He’ll be able to get that with the Bulls. I don’t know who we have to sit more to play Salmons though. It’s Deng or Gordon.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
appears Ruffin
was part of our deal and then sent to Portland for Diogu + $1 million
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions
Covered above
Could be a precursor to a Hinrich trade.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
everything above
suggests Hinrich would be part of that package in a 3 way
this is refuted by the report suggesting Ruffin was in this deal, not a separate one
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with that
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
WOO HOO
WOO HOO WOO HOO WOO HOO… sorry this is starting to be good to be true.. I am now nervous something really bad is gonna happen like Pax is gonna trade Rose or something lol
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Cap hell. Say goodbye to Gordon
Miller $11.4 $12.25 Salm $5.41 $6.27 $6.68 Gooden $7.15 Noc $8.00 $7.50 $7.00 Bulls In $16.81 $18.52 $6.68 Bulls Out $15.15 $7.500 $7.00 Net change $1.660 $11.02 $(0.32)
that sucks...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
can't we re-sign Ben
and just pay the luxury tax for the one year, what you’re not counting into that is the big drop-off in the following year
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
"hahahahaha"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
though I completely agree with you, btw
I just don’t see it as likely.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
i mean it would only be paying the tax for 1 year....
and it would be well known in advance we’d only be paying it for 1 year
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
It's not just paying the tax.
It’s also losing the money from the tax-payers.
(we’ve been over this…)
Dorf’s not having that
I did as well
But, really, it’s sad innit? Ben is a damn good scorer.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Totally possible, but not probable.
If we were willing to pay tax for Ben, we would have signed him this year.
different scenario
that was paying the tax for MULTIPLE seasons, unless a deal was made
now that the deal is made, we know the tax is only for one season
by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
AND
WITH THE RETURNING WHITE WHALE
WE ARE NOW OVERLORDS OF THE EAST!!!!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
(BTW, Ozzie said it first down here.) Truly this is a great, great day.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
That question was answered last summer.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Where you getting that salary data from?
ShamSports has Salmons at 5.6 million next year, and an ETO for 5.8 in 2010.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons has a "get traded kicker" clause
2 mil bonus if you want to trade him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
2 mil bonus
spread apart equally over the remaining years on his contract.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
lame
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
I've added in the trade kicker Salmons got
Salary from my site
I track every transaction and keep it up to date.
I’m not sure if Simmons/Diogu really is happening, because that would appear to put the Kings over the Tax. Why would they do that?
i don't think this chart includes ruffins or simmons...
does that make any difference?
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Salaries
The Bulls probably end up saving a little this season but Ruffin and Simmons contract both expire at the end of this season.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
You left out Simmons and Ruffin leaving...
Needed to keep the Bulls from paying the TAX this season.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Yeah, it wasn't confirmed at the time I posted that
gets us under the tax this year, makes for no change next year or after.
I dig this trade
Both Miller and Salmons are much more efficient shooters and better passers than Noc and Gooden (or more willing to pass, anyway). Plus Salmons fouls about half as much as Noc and gets to the line more often (where he shoots a higher percentage).
Usually Luol hurts himself when he feels pressure
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Is Hinrich still on the bus?
Noc, Gooden, and Ruffin all pulled from it.
Come on Gar Paxdorf.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
How do you know this?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
wasn't in just something "general" and NBAO is speculating from the rumors?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
After reading it, yes. You are correct.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Guys can we get a brief moment of silence for the Drew Gooden blog
(Taps plays in background)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
at least we know tyrus thomas playing time wont get cut
by drew gooden. I wonder if vinnie will be playing massive with brad miller and noah in at same time. hmmm…
yeabut
don’t you think vinnie will see his glorious matchups differently, pulling ty to go big with white whale, noah, and whale jr. for the frontcourt?
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
And somehow Aaron Gray is still a Bull
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
whether or not it's to Portland
Hinrich is likely gone before the deadline, right? Paxson (sorry, Gar Paxdorf) can’t even use his ‘Ben Gordon insurance’ reasoning, as that’s now Salmons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions
and
keeping both Hinrich and Salmons to come off the bench is not going to be good for anyone (especially Gordon)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's most definitely gone
Especially since they still have Larry Hughes on the team. There’s no way they’re keeping Hinrich, Hughes, AND Salmons around. Not to mention Thabo.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Or we trade salmons for a 2nd round pick
a la JR Smith!
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be a great trade.
Rid 3 years of ~$6 mil/yr for nothing?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
my thoughts exactly
i like this deal regardless because it ships out noc, but i’ll love it if it ends up in expirings coming back for hinrich
Maybe that Minnesota deal is still alive,
Gosh, I hope not.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Why not?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins? You kidding me!?
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Expiring contracts so we can re-sign BG
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I doubt BG wants to stick around this mess.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
$$$$$$ talks
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
meh
Gordon also said he was ‘confused’ when they acquired Hughes and his minutes went down. I think he wants a full-time role too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
He has to be gone
Because they still have to sit Hughes on the bench till next February.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly what I just pointed out. There's no way
we’re keeping all of Kirk, Hughes, Thabo, AND Salmons.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Hughes could just go home I guess
though that doesn’t really ‘solve’ anything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I know that in the grand sceme of things this isn't very important
but are we now gonna become the worst three point shooting team in the league?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Brad Miller has range
Although his shooting percentage needs more cornrows to be effective.
Wait, we don’t still have that team rule against corn rows?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it was just "No Eddy Currys"
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Salmons somehow is shooting 42% from 3 this year
Plus Miller is a big man who can actually shoot, so I consider that an upgrade.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting, I didn't actually look
I always thought Salmons was a poor shooter
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
You should always look.
informed opinions are better than ignorant ones. Seriously.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Do you have some sort of problem?
Is there a reason why you’re always trying to start shit? Cause it’s getting pretty fucking old.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm serious. You (anyone) should always look things up if they're unsure.
Don’t assume. You make an ass, blah blah blah.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Half my problems on here (or anywhere on Blogfrica)...
…would be solved if people actually looking shit up first. The other half, well, I still have to go to counseling for that.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
It wasn't just a guess
I’ve watched a lot of Salmons in the past and I always thought he was a poor shooter. I don’t have to look everything up before I type it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I actually was right anyway, in seven years in the league this is the first time he's shot over 35%
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said below
He’s average, and the fact that Nocioni is a horrible shooter everywhere else on the floor means there really isn’t much to worry about. What’s the difference in Salmons chucking or Noce chucking?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
No, I agree
I was just trying to prove a point because Tyger appears to be hell bent on ripping everything I say
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say anything that was so idiotic it merits your bullshit.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine, I've been over it
You’re always a really good poster. I just think it’s weak when you start taking shots, and it seems like you’re only interested starting an argument.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
For his career, he is average
And when you look at Nocioni’s regular FG% (41%), his outside shooting was totally negated by his retarded shot selection.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He's been shooting way better than Noc for the last two seasons
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
wow, a Mike A. sighting!
nothing like a trade that gets old-time readers out of their spiderholes :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Now I'm curious what Salmons numbers
are like before and after acquiring Beno Udrih.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Isn’t it enough that some players are professional enough to work and improve as their career advances? What’s Udrih got to do with Salmons? He’s produced well as a starter for the last year and more. And even off the bench before then, and when Artest was still around AND ARTEST NEEDED TO START, he was more productive than Nocioni f’chrissakes.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
How do you figure?
Miller is 20-43 this year and Salmons shoots about 42% from downtown.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's fummy to hear radio guys being upset or confused about this trade
Upset fro not getting Amare or another “blockbuster,super trade”.
How can they SO clueless???
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
They have brains for radio?
Which radio guys? I’d think Boers and Bernstein get the gist of this deal.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure about names.Those on ESPN1000.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Before 2004
I paid very, very little attention to the salaries and cap/CBA stuff. We’re just much more hardcore now.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Hey
You said “fummy”, LOL!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Ha!I would miss it if not you.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
I was adding some numbers.
Miller makes 12 million and so does Hughes. Salmons makes 5.5.
Does this really mean we will have 29 million dollars coming off our books in 2010?
players that have 0% chance of signing in Chicago
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
but we do have 29 million dollars in expiring contracts to teams that want those players, right?
So we will have more opportunities for lopsided trades where talent is traded for expiring contracts?
Salmons has an ETO (basically a player option) for 2010-2011.
If he’s playnig well, he could exercise it. But he’ll be older. Who knows?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Being older will probably militate for him opting out.
The sooner he gets his next contract, the better chance he has of getting more years. People don’t give long-term contracts to older players unless they’re superstars.
That would be my hope.
These guys almost always opt out for that reason.
by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And if he keeps playing like this
he’ll be due more than that $5.8M or whatever. Unless the world truly is ending now.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Especially if they don't re-sign Gordon.
and/or trading Hinrich. He’d get haevy minutes, have good per-game numbers at 30.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Bosh will sign anywhere that isn't Toronto
So, I wouldn’t write him off.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think wade has more than a fair chance of ending up here as well
Bosh too.
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
salmons is for 3 yrs, not 2
but yeah, hughes and bmiller are gonna expire in 2010, so that’s at least 24 mil free
great to get salmons for 5 mil for 3 yrs.
but bmiller’s 2-yr contract effectively ends gordon resigning after this yr, unless they make another trade
by Orange Juice on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons has an ETO. I'm not confident he won't exercise it.
I’d say it’s 50/50, no?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Good move
Anything that gets rid of Noc is great actually. Something else has to happen though. I’m looking for Kirk to be gone by tomorrow. PLEASE Gar Paxdorf!! We need to keep Ben.
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ur an idiot
that’s all
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because John Salmons is amazing.
It’s interesting, though. We’ll have to see how he plays here. Salmons is much less of a team guy than Gordon, though [and yes, I know what I’m saying].
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Outstanding!
Did we finally just acquire the M2GWCDS? (Old school Blog a Bull reference for y’all)
by Jobu on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I thought Eddie Basedn was the M2GWCDS.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Feeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssss
Gooooooooooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh…………
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Noc got traded and I
JIZZED IN MY PANTS
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woo Hoo!
This is step 1 of 3.
Step 2 : Trade Hinrich
Step 3: Trade Hughes
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Keep Hughes and his deal.
He’ll be highly sought after around next year’s deadline.
Trade him now - addition by subtraction
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
so is Hughes gonna be a Marbury and just sit on the bench while getting paid...
I think that’s unlikely. Even if we do keep Hughes, I don’t see him giving it his all after disabling from the roster.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt he'll be happy about it
but that’s how its turning out to be. Who cares what he likes and doesn’t like anyways? He’s Larry Hughes for Christ sake
Exactly.
He’s not happy and not in our long-term plans. Why wait until next season to send him packing?
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I'm advocating it, but the argument is that he'll have more value next year than this year.
The return would (arguably) be better.
Rumor is
he will go to Washington for Mike James and Etan Thomas.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
even if he was
Brad Miller is an expiring 2010 deal too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
heh, Kings fans
Nocioni be ballin!!!…dude got all around game and he’s fiery…anything to finally get the 7 foot pt guard out of here…although i do like salmons i would rather see k mart go!!..salmons is a lot more versatile then kevin and if we let kmart go it’ll free up room to let cisco play more and cisco is a much more complete player then kmart…
Really, Kevin Martin go?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
He means Go as in
Go Go Go. Play more.
Dionysus2.0: Why resort to name calling?
Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
Matt won't like this
But my fellow BAB pals…..a moment of silence for El Chapu.
::Watches tape of 2004 gold medal game, drinks fifth of scotch and drunk dials Skiles::
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
this fist pump's for you, Chapu
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's not forget his favorite position
The floor.
by NittanyCub on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Was this a photo
from his 22.1 playoff PER year?
Black shoes and all.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
why not
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/18/763392/official-goodbye-noc-threa
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be missed in a way
Noc’s biggest problem was his contact and his usage. Pax completely overpaid for him and that screwed the roster for the last 2+ seasons.
I didn’t have a problem with his role off the bench as a 3 or occassional 4, but Skiles/Boylan/VDN played him to much at the 4.
None of that is Noc’s fault. His style of play is matter of strong opinion around here, but that shouldn’t have been a surprise for the last 3 seasons – he was who we thought he was.
Plus, now who’s going to team up with Luol Deng for that awkward international vibe when the they do “Name that Tune” on the big screen during timeouts?
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
he's fine as a 4
the problem was putting him at the 4 and gooden at the 5. if we had a big center to put him with, it would be different.
but right, his usage wasn’t his fault. i’ll miss him in a way. i liked him in the earlier seasons – but it was kinda clear he’d had enough here.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
True - on this roster there wasn't a 5 that he matched well as a 4
Or, hell, wasn’t there an odd line up to close out a big win this year that had Noc as the 5 and Deng as the 4? Maybe I’m confused…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
3..... 4..... 5.....
it matters not. no tears for those two.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
i said "in a way"
as in the “you seem like a good guy, so i’m sorry you have to move and play for such a shitty team – i hope you succeed, but good riddance” kind of way :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
love bmiller's expiring contract more than bmiller
we’ll have two of the largest expiring contracts in 2010: hughes and bmiller
if we stay patient, we can turn that into a superstar.
basically $25 mil free after 2010. that’s huge.
I wonder if Artest and Brand are also available
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Eddie Robinson would be a cheap D-League call-up
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
I'm so kidding, Just thought I'd point that out
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Tyrus, Rose, and E-Rob all in next year's!!!
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
dunk contest*
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I think the absolute key here is to be patient, we have a bunch of cap space opening up, have some good pieces in place, and are a major market, we have all the tools necessary to attract a key free agent in 2010. Let’s not blow a legit shot at entering the NBA elite through having a short attention span.
They're after our precious bodily fluids
The trade is better than "meh"
It makes the Bulls a little bit better in the short-term and clears out money in a couple of years in the long-term. This doesn’t make my heart aflutter, but at least the Bulls got the better players back here.
a little less
also for at minimum 1 year less also, possibly 2.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
lol
@ 162 new comments in the 15 minutes it took me to drive home from work…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Hey
I can offically cop the Ben Wallace McFarlane jonz…..Now when i see him, I can think :
wallace → gooden —> Miller
yeah!
"Kiss my Converse!" - Sho'nuff
wow
i don’t know how they scored this, but talent wise we gain a lot!
Hmm
No mention of this on bulls.com anywhere. Please let me know if you find it. Anyway, the Bulls traded two players with almost identical stats (Gooden and Miller). I like Salmons and I think he’s a good scorer but that just adds another guard to that party. So, could this just be clearing space for Amare?
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions
he's a 2/3
so he’ll probably take Noc’s backup SF minutes also.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i was just making the point about having to play another guard
at least salmons can use the SF minutes… he’s not going to be using the PF minutes. :P
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Gooden would have had to be in any Amare deal
So that’s pretty much off the table now.
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Salmons can play the forward just as well probably
And the Amare deal died a few days ago. Phoenix just was’t ready to let him go.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nut why trade 2 people
Who have almost identical stats?
Miller
Gooden
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
And they both
play about the same defense too!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
One of these
makes shots, passes, and plays center. One of these doesn’t.
by Scotter on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Miller FG%
is only about 3 percent higher. He does average 2 more assists though.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Miller true shooting percentage
Is 56, Gooden’s is 51, which is worse than Tyrus.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I got different numbers
Where are you looking that up?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't just look at regular FG%
True shooting is a better measure because it combines regular field goals, free throws, and 3 pointers into one number. Gives you a better measure of how efficient a guy is in getting their points.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
And he's also
A CENTER who can score and pass. Gooden is neither. And 2 inches taller.
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
Miller is better in every way imaginable on offense
Defensively they are both worthless. Net positive.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
One quibble: Gooden is a better defensive rebounder.
But yes, Miller is the better basketball player, by far.
It's ok since Tyrus will be doing any rebounding Gooden could have done.
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
True, Gooden is the better rebounder
I’m just assuming Tyrus will continue at this current playing rate, and Miller will at least try harder because he’s on a better team that has a shot of making the playoffs.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
He is better, but by a few percentage points
Their DRB% are basically the same, as well as TRB. Gooden does take the cake in ORB, though.
He also takes the cake in post-up 15 foot fadeaway J's, though.
So glad our ‘impossible duo’ is gone. [Impossible, because they can’t goard anyone … to save their lives! Get it? Hahahaha… eh.]
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-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
sorry but
no, I don’t get it
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, neither do I,
but I wanted to come up with a catchy nickname.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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Miller should be on the floor with either TT or Noah,
both of whom can pick up the slack on the boards.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Miller is Tall
and a better passer, not a chucker, not a PF. Meaning no time cut from Tyrus and a real scoring option at the 5. Oh and his contract expires after next year when all the good free agents will be, uh, free agents.
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
because they don't get them identicalllllllyly..
Look at the assisting and usage %‘s in advanced stats. Basically, Gooden’s a ballhog. Miller’s a facilitator.
Think of either having a shot with Thomas and/or Deng cutting to the basket. The shot goes up w/ Gooden. The ball gets passed to Deng or Thomas with Miller.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Let's face it
Brad Miller is a better passer than Magic Johnson and John Stockton combined. Bow down to the new overlords of the East.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is the frontpage an article from Dana O'Neil about a Clemson bbball player
There’s so many other big things that people care about, the bulls trade and the NBA deadline coming up are only a few things. ESPN has gone down the crapper.
The NBA's fanbase isn't as big as you'd expect.
What NBA fans there are tend to be hard core, but in quantity there are probably more out there for college basketball.
why go to ESPN.com?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
maybe the red sox did something today?
If John Paxson were a Greek hero he would be known as Sans Testicles
by wennington4 on Feb 18, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Aldridge is still reporting
that Hughes still might go to Washington:
Sources indicate Hughes could still potentially be sent to Washington in exchange for guard Mike James and center Etan Thomas if the Bulls don’t make any other big deals.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Yea, just send him home
From what I’ve heard Mike James isn’t exactly Nelson Mandella anyway
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
That would be bad if Etan Thomas took minutes away from Tyrus/Noah
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yeah
I thought he was out for the year??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Never mind
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the perfect complementary player then.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
ET can take Ruffin's role on the team!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
This team could very well be
a shell of its former self by tomorrow.
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
heh, true indeed
a third of the team left today (wow)…I’ll be ultra excited if we can get rid of Hughes or Kirk by tomorrow.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
I'll take it
Mike James is a servicable backup PG
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Who likes to jack up shots at a crappy percentage. I'd rather have Duhon back.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so Mike James
play 5-10 min /gm… Not really a big deal
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
I'd rather have Hughes play 5-10 min/gm
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
where is Hughes going to play
Salmons can play both the 2 and the 3. He can backup both Deng/BG
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
How does this trade help?
Thomas and James’ contracts both run through next season, same as Hughes. So you swap Hughes for another shot-jacking guard and throw another mediocre, injury-prone big man into the mix? Doesn’t make any sense is all I’m sayin’.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
No it doesn't
make a whole lot of sense. Pax just promised a trade to Larry, and now he’ll have to do the same to these guys……. But the season is mostly over and perhaps they can be traded as expirings over the summer??? Keep them players movin’…..
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Etan Thomas is a nice piece, when healthy.
He can totally be the meaty enforcer type on defense. Having Etan Thomas next year means Aaron Gray doesn’t ever have to play.
I always liked him a bit too
He’s undersized though.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
No Noc. or Gooden
means A LOT of Tyrus tonight!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Thank god
Finally a trade, and a good one at that.
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Matt: because I wish to insult you personally... so just take it
McGraw:
STOUDEMIRE STILL IN PLAY?
I’d say the only way the Bulls trade Hinrich for an expiring deal is if they have something else brewing. One theory is Collins and whoever else (Sebastian Telfair as a backup for Steve Nash?) would be sent to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire, along with Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha and draft picks.
By moving Hinirch’s salary ($10 million this year), the Bulls would be able to take on Stoudemire and have the ammunition to re-sign Ben Gordon this summer.
If everything worked out, the Bulls could get a desirable starting lineup of Derrick Rose, Gordon, Luol Deng, Stoudemire and Joakim Noah, with Salmons and Miller coming off the bench.
It’s too soon to tell what the chances are of this coming true and there may be other trades still being circulated. But this appears to be what the Bulls have in mind.
Yeah, I know the Suns supposedly backed off trading Stoudemire, but their need for payroll relief is still an issue. All that talk might have been an attempt to build leverage.
The NBA trade deadline is Thursday at 2 p.m. Central time. It will be interesting to see if anyone sits out tonight at Milwaukee. I’ll update as soon as I know.
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1459
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That would be awesome
I really hope that happens.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good looks on that
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
Ok, now my head really is gonna explode
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
If this happens....
I’ll need a day off work just to recover.
It works
in the Trade Machine, but it only cuts $6.2 mil this summer for Phoenix, so I’m not sure its enough for them to get it done.
--Torch
kinky
…damn i’m immature
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Cedric Simmons!!!!!
Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
We hardly knew ye, Ced!
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
One source said the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.
Wow, that’s akward… good thing they weren’t flying:)
by smash! on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lol
good thing they weren’t flying
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
God, I would have LOVED to tell Gooden and Nocioni they were leaving
Now guys, Drew and Andres didn’t just get traded to Sacramento
Not
update by KC
Gooden told the Tribune by phone. “Sacramento has been interested in me for a couple years, so maybe something can work out long-term there. If not, I’m an unrestricted free agent this summer, so I’m auditioning for other teams.”
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
i hope sacramento doesn't see this before it's official.
or just wouldn’t mind sending him home.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Say what ya want, but Gooden seems to be a classy dude
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
i think gooden's hilarious.
he seems like a good guy. but i’m tired of watching him in a bulls uni.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I feel a little bad for him.
Dude probably just wants to spend more than a year on some team.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, exactly what I thought.
Play team ball or make shoot 60% TS% and he’d stay.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
he had already shaved it
to a normal beard, though.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I think off-court he was a good guy
but he looked like he was on ‘contract year mode’ when on the court this season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
He's been in the league long enough
To understand how life goes for a mediocre player like himself. He just wants to get paid, and he’s still under 30.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
"auditioning for other teams" = "shooting every time I touch the ball"
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I feel somewhat bad for Gooden
he’s been traded 4 times already. Good enough to be wanted, not good enough to stay wanted, I guess.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
He was doomed here
in a way as the Wallace replacement. Maybe he’s taller, but he’s not a center.
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Apparently Salmons hates coming off the bench...
This guy better not turn into the next Larry Hughes
Boy
Would this trade get shot down of what?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
there has to be another trade coming
otherwise we have a worse guard glut than we started off
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
All he has to do here is bitch in the papers
And Vinny will put him in the starting lineup. So I imagine he’ll love it here.
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because I wish to insult you personally
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I don't think so
Hughes was once a teammate of Del Negro. His bitching probably went a lot further than anyone elses is going to do
Sactown Royalty says
Nocioni can rebound hard (one of the best at the position),
Uhhh, ??
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
he can
if his position is a 3. (it’s not)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
even as a 3
is his rebounding that good? luol averages a full rpg more for his career, 2 more this season.
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it used to be one of the best in the league
but Noc’s rebound rate has gone down the past 2 seasons.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Where's he going to rebound?
From the 3 point line while every starting SF runs right past him?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm
I’ve been on the computer all day and leave for work just when this happens?!
I can’t believe this just happened!
This news JUST BROKE to me!
Fortune Cookie i just opened
“The day only gets better”
Let’s get a win against the non-hair!
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
He was talking about how getting John Salmons meaning that Gordon is out the door and
about Pax trading players he’s tired of looking at like TT and Noah because of inconsistency. Schuster is the same idiot that said on Chicago Tribune Live a month ago that if the Bulls had 12 Drew Goodens, they would be a lot better off.
Sounds like hes one of the dumbest people I have ever heard
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
indeed.
I heard it too.
Though I disagree: he was already outed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Updated EPN.com article pieces
Talks between Sacramento and Chicago moved to an advanced stage this week, as ESPN.com reported earlier Wednesday, after the Kings were unsuccessful packaging Miller and Salmons in a deal with New York.
Salmons
The Chicago-Sacramento trade is likely to be finalized later Wednesday, but one source close to the process cautioned that the deal could still be expanded to include additional players.
Another source indicated that the Kings had hoped to convince Chicago to accept center Mikki Moore instead of Salmons so Sacramento could trade Salmons in a separate move. The Bulls, though, want Salmons and the Kings did not oppose it because of long-term financial savings they’re gaining from the trade.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
Apparently San Antonio, New Jersey, and Dallas were all going hard after Salmons as well.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
I was just about to post that
Maybe Salmons doesn’t stay with the Bulls? At least gives two possible angles to move a guard (Salmons or Kirk) for expirings.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I would rather trade Hinrich over Salmons..
Kirk is so overpaid
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
He is for his role on this team, not as much on a team that needs a PG
I’m fine with Kirk getting traded -
Someone had pointed out somewhere in all this mess that, without a further trade, the guard glut is worse than ever at this point. If the potential Kirk-to-Minny deal falls apart, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that Salmons is desired by other teams.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I hope for the team and Kirk's sake
That he is a Blazer by tomorrow. There’s no point in keeping him on this team, and he’s good enough to warrant a starting spot somewhere.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
It has to be a good sign that San Antonio wanted Salmons, right?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
The Spurs are looking for any type of help they can get.
They’re horribly thin and their window is closing. Salmons proved that he can be a high usage guy, and everyone knew he was on the market. This was about as high as they could shoot with the assets they have.
But I also find it encouraging.
spurs aint thin
they got a great rookie prospect combo guard in George Hill, Roger mason jr, manu, parker as a guard rotation with finley playing the three and occassionally a little 2.. Bowen fills out minutes at SF and udoka has fallen pretty much out of the rotation after playing the the conference finals.
Salmons would be an upgrade. It speaks volumes that they think he is good enough to trade low end rotation players, but not good enough to trade roger mason or george hill.
Salmons is going to be a seroius issue if he comes off the bench in Chicago. I love him as a player think he is really valuable as a fourth banana on a contender or a main man on a bad team like sactown.
As a sixth man? Ugh… TZ did some numbers a while ago and it is amazing how poorly he performs coming from the bench, like not good amazing…Time will tell.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
That's funny.
“long-term financial savings” are the biggest thing they aren’t getting. It’s short-term.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Gar Paxdorf
I wish I could adopt that as my new username.
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Anyone else think this trade is just okay?
I like Miller, but by most indications, Salmons is a bum. His 5.55 adjusted+/ was the 3rd worst among all starters last season, and his career 109 defensive rating (116 this year!) is just as bad. Even worse, people seem to think he’s good, meaning he’ll get minutes.
So we get a legit center, which is good, but it’s at the cost of 1) less minutes for Jo and Tyrus, and 2) losing Ben Gordon after this season, and 3) playing Salmons, all three of which are not good. I expect Hinrich/Gordon to be traded tomorrow.
The last two are true.
But the first one is not. Miller will not take more minutes than Nocioni and Gooden combined. They also got out of one year of Nocioni, and possibly/probably two.
it’s a risk, but there could be some great benefits.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Less mins for Jo and Tyrus?
Did you forget that we shipped out both Noc AND Gooden?
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Exactly.
Plus Noc wasn’t exactly a lockdown defender himself.
by peruvianidol on Feb 18, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I'll concede that point
Although I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Jo or Tyrus is always on the bench in crunch time now. With Gooden on the team, I had hope that our young guys would clearly emerge.
Changing the subject a tad… I was just talking to my friend on the phone, and he hates the trade. He said “the downside is we lose Gordon, the upside is we go from a 9th seed to a 7th seed for the next two years. How could anyone see that as a net gain?” He might be onto something.
I'm going to maintain (if Gordon goes)
That he was never going to come back, and the organization didn’t care for him unless he was cheap.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think most of the Bulls players don't like Gordon
either. I’ve heard recently from people close to the players that he is viewed as a “selfish asshole”. Sucks cause I like him as a player and always thought he was a class act. I guess both their views and mine could be true.
the old
“from people close to the players” citation. Always love it.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
You have no reason to believe me and I couldn't care less if you do.
What would I possibly have to gain by making this shit up? I happen to value inside info and feel very fortunate to be in a position to receive it. Name names to validate myself to you and ruin my chance to hear more? Not fucking likely.
what inside info have you shared?
the players don’t like BG? Its a claim that can’t be proved or disproved. Its also a meaningless claim, because it doesn’t matter.
I heard Deng wanted BG to play with England in 2012, so maybe just Deng likes him. I actually saw them hanging out and going to an ice cream social and planning a slumber party. Best buds.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Witty...Kinda
Never claimed to share it, just mentioned one of the things I heard.
I haven't heard this.
Quite honestly, i find that hard to believe. But if u know, then u know.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 18, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully he gets buried, or is a precursos to another trade
Or, he can do the Bulls a big solid and exercise his ETO after 2010
Gooden and Nocioni cut into Tyrus and Noah's playing time more than Miller would
I am afraid of Salmons, though. It seems like his attitude isn’t great and we will be forced to play him.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm scared of Salmons too
Players don’t accumulate a career -4 difference between offensive and defensive rating by fluke. That and his teams are always terrible. He might be a bizzaro version of Larry Hughes… okay on the offensive end, horrific on the defensive end, and management thinks he’s great because he’s athletic.
"In addition to his slashing ability,
Salmons is a very good defender who can guard three positions". If you don’t believe me, perhaps you’ll believe The Professor?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
as long as we don't take more salary after 2010 ...
trading hinrich/gordon would make a lot of sense.
especially gordon, who is going to walk away after this season anyways because we have no money to resign him.
by Orange Juice on Feb 18, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
here's my take on it
1) Noah will lose minutes, but Tyrus can play the PF position and is more suited to do so than playing the 5 spot.
2) I honestly don’t see there being that big of a market for BG. In this economy, I can see him being the Manny of basketball with less talent. There’s still a chance in my mind that he’ll come back, but the Bulls have to trade away some of the guards on the team to give BG or captain kirk minutes.
3) Salmons is not that bad of a player. I’m gonna give him a chance first
I actually expect Hughes and either Gordon or Hinrich to be dealt tomorrow.
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Noah can play alongside Miller just fine.
Miller has the range you usually want from a PF.
Thomas – 30-35 mpg @ PF
Noah – 15-20 mpg @ C, 10-15 mpg @ PF
Off the Bench:
Miller 25-30 mpg @ C
If anyone struggles, Deng at PF is perfectly acceptable.
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WADE TO CHICAGO 2010
officially starting this movement right here right now!
we’ll have about $30 mil free to go after the 2010 free agent class.
now that gordon is all but gone, can’t think of a better backcourt pairing than two CHICAGO guys.
You guys are sleeping on
Salmons. He brings something that chicago really need. Someone that can create his own shot and get to the line. He also brings height in the SG position. Kirk and Salmons will probably backup Rose, BG, Deng while Noah will backup Tyrus and Miller.
Also with all the injuries sac has had, Salmos has shown he can do a decent job playing pg, sg and sf. We can experiment having Salmons, BG, Deng, Tyrus, Noah while Rose and Miller rest. This will allow BG to guard the opposing PG and use Salmons in the point on offense. And for his skillset and a border lin starter, 6th man, his salary is cheap
But then again, VDN will probably pu Salmons in the pf position lol
Haha most likely
Salmons doesn’t really get to the line though… 4.4 FTA in 37 minutes is shit for an 18ppg scorer. And yeah he’s tall, but tall is only good for defense, and Salmons doesn’t bring any of that either.
He's replacement-level
Which is what Nocioni has been for the past 2 years anyway, but Salmons is cheaper. I still have hope Hinrich is getting traded to Portland, and there will be a chance to bring back Ben.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but Nocioni played 20mpg
Something tells me Forman wants Salmons to takeover Ben’s scoring load next season. Ergh.
we will see
I felt the same way. it’s insurance if ben doesn’t come back and the Bulls see ben as a sixth man.
At this point you have to think about getting ready for next year
Gordon could likely take any offer because he hates Reinsdorf and wants a change of scenery. The Bulls had to get at least some kind of insurance policy for the SG position.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
"You guys are sleeping on x"
Seems almost as if people are posting facsimiles of dusted-off responses to the Hughes acquisition: “He brings something that Chicago really needs. Someone that can create his own shot and get to the line. He also brings height at the SG position.”
Don’t get me wrong: I think Salmons is a more useful player than Larry Hughes; nonetheless, I wouldn’t overstate “what he brings” to the Bulls, particularly when he (a) plays the same positions as two of our best (and most handsomely paid) players, yet (b) isn’t a better starting option than either.
salmons also makes less than half of what hughes does.
i automatically like him better. :)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
New trade deal in the works according to Chicago Tribune Live...
Kirk going to Minnesota as a salary dump. I hope this doesn’t happen.
Please happen!!!!!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
we should also try to pry away the t'wolves first round pick
Hinrich has more value than just cap space
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
ink drying.....
on my trade with Canis Hoopus.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
He says a lot of things
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Send him to Portland, dammit!
With Salmons!
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One of the other things this does...
…it means there will always be at least one legitimate defender and/or rebounder at the PF or C spots. Thomas or Noah or Deng will HAVE to be out there with Miller or Gray.
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I hope people realize Miller might be an even worse defender than Gooden
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think so?
His defensive adjusted +/- and defensive rating are very good. I never thought he was a great defender, but Gooden is awful and it seems Miller is at least average.
He might be...
…but they shipped two poor defenders for one. (excluding offense, of course). They won’t put Miller and Gray out there together (Dear God! That’d be awesome!!!!), so Deng, Thomas or Noah will always be paired with Miller.
Gooden and Nocioni could both be paired w/ Gray as well as with each other.
That’s three combinations of a bad defensive PF/C pair to zero. I dig.
it’s just, it’s great. unless he’s just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy worse than gooden, in which case, it’s the same on defense w/ it being better still on offense.
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I noticed that.
Anyone know what that’s based on? Some formula using PER?
Hollinger says it's based on PER and it adjusts for defense as well
How he does it, no idea.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
What's the plan?
Look, I’m as happy as anyone to get rid of Noc. (Sam Smith, in one of his more lucid moments, once said that the GM’s role was partly to get rid of players the coach played too much.) But what is the plan here? Since signing Ben Wallace, Pax’s moves basically consist of giving out bad contracts, then trading them for other team’s bad contracts. How does getting two starters from the worst team in the league help the Bulls in the short term or the long term? If you think we’re shedding salaries to sign Wade/Bosh/Amare/LeBron or whoever in 2010, you’ve obviously forgotten about the summer of 2000…
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it's pretty obvious
that 2010 is the plan and with Rose this Bulls team is a lot more enticing to sign with
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Whoops... obvious how?
If anything we added salary with this trade. Nothing about it says 2010 to me.
Do you realize we now have ~24 mil coming off the books in 2010?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
What do you mean 'now'?
We have basically the exact same amount we had coming off before the trade, and we still need to cut off a whole lot more to have the $$ to go after a big name.
Nocioni has 13.5 M until 2012
With the synchrony in this trade, especially at the FA class of that summer, it will provide a lot of hope, I guess.
After the ‘09/’10 season, the expiring contracts of Brad Miller and Larry Hughes will amass to 25,905,268
You realize we only cut $1.0 million off our 2010 payroll with this trade, right?
If we don’t trade Hinrich, our salaries in 2010 will look like:
Deng: 11.3
Hinrich: 9
Salmons: 5.8
Rose: 5.5
Tyrus: 8?
Thabo: 4?
Joakim: 3
1st rounder?
1st rounder?
Asik?
Thats what, about 50-53 million for seven players, and the cap is around $58 mil? We don’t have the money to throw at a big name.
Right, any big, out right signings still need something shed.
BUT… a package of Miller + Hughes + Noah/Thomas + draft picks for Bosh/Wade/etc. + a bad contract is more possible now.
I agree that it’s not a 2010 move by itself. But it does help things a little bit.
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Yeah I think we're headed toward a trade
Otherwise we’d be hearing a lot more Larry Hughes trade talk. Know of anyone good (read: not Kaman) with a contract extending past 2010?
available right now?
no
but next year? Sure.
besides, 2010 guys like Bosh, Johnson, McGrady, etc. if their teams don’t think they’ll re-sign, a year from now they can take Miller, Hughes and Thomas, have a lot of the money still coming off the books.
It’d basically be like this past weekend with Stoudemire, only they’d have LeFrentz and Sczcerbiak-sized contracts.
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Think we can permanently scratch McGrady off that list
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Damn, you're right.
I don’t know why, I just thought that the Bulls would be saving money by shedding Gooden and Nocioni away.
I’m running the calculations on salaries: if Salmons doesn’t exercise his ETO, if the the Bulls give the QO both to Thomas and Sefolosha and the TO to Rose and Noah, their total salary for after the 2009/2010 season will be $44,901,067. Before this trade, it was $42,943,067
Salmons has an ETO and will be 30.
He’ll either take one more year at $6.5 or opt out and take a longer guaranteed contract for less per year. I think it’s fifty/fifty whether he opts out.
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provide some reasoning please
mine:
He’d be one big injury away from never playing again and only $6.5 million for the rest of his life.
He’ll get more guaranteed money if he opts out.
It will be the summer of 2010 and there will be a lot of teams with space hoping to get Wade, McGrady or Joe Johnson that will at least spend some of the cap on Salmons.
Athletes almost always opt out early unless their skills have just gone to complete crap. I don’t see that happening w/ Salmons.
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Yeah I'd guess he opts out
Just 18 months removed from averaging 18ppg for the Kings, he’ll probably be able to get more than 6 mil.
Even if he doesn't, a 3-year MLE of around $5...
…could look better. That’s $15mil guaranteed compared to $6.5. Players, especially at 30, almost always take the guaranteed more money.
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That's great but
1) we won’t be the only team with $$ to spend
2) the cap could be much lower if the economy continues to tank
3) Name the last big-time free agent that Reinsdorf signed away from another team (and Ron Mercer doesn’t count)
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yup
and look how well that worked out. I’m not saying that Reinsdorf won’t go after FA’s, just that our track record is pretty dismal.
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The operative language might be "away from another team."
If I remember correctly, we were the frontrunner the whole way with Ben. It will be nothing like the frenzy of 2010 with many FAs and many teams gunning for them.
Brad Millers contract
expires in 2010. If the Hinrich deal goes through then we add Collins and Cardinal that expire in/before 2010.
Miller's contract expires in 2010
and apparently the Bulls are trying to trade Hinrich for cap space. So it’s pretty obvious.
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
While that's true, Gooden's
contract expired in 2009. And I’ll believe the Hinrich dump when I see it.
I believe it
but I think Minny might not want to give up the draft pick. if it happens it will be close to the deadline. Garsxon might wait to see if they get a better offer.
I agree with that part of it.
Any they gain at 2010 expiring is lost from 2009 expiring.
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yeah
I think this is the end of bg in chi…but at least we have a replacement…he was probably gone anyway…Id rather see Salmons at the 2 then kirk
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
still gotta figure out what's happening in the front office...
I don’t see any of the big names wanting to come and play for VDN
by aznsensation on Feb 18, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
great point
Superstar FA’s will change teams for a shot at a championship. Throwing a whole lot of money at players to come to a mediocre/bad team with an incompetent coach isn’t gonna work (see: Chicago Bulls, 2000)
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Allen and Garnett came in trades
not as FA’s, and Doc has always been known as a player’s coach.
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really?
sounds like he’s been fairly unpopular with the players, what with trying to be a disciplinarian and all.
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I don't know
I am not in the locker room. All I can say is what people right and that’s what they use
yeah but when Derrick improves next year
and quality playy from noah/tyrus (whichever stays) a player like bosh might think hes the missing piece
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
For one, their starters become the Bulls backups.
That’s good.
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Can the bulls do
Amare
Tucker
Barnes
for
Tyrus
Hughes
Salmons???
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
The thought behind it
suns get cheap pf that can run up and down the court
get more contracts that expire in 2010
bulls get more cap space to resign gordon, plus get amare…you can resign gorodn and keep amare without the two conflicting each other in 2010 because ideally if we are winning (which i believe we will be) amare might just decide to stay with chicago and not opt out in 2010 and thus we are set with a team that has rose, gordon, deng, noah, amare….which i think is pretty damn good….give the suns a shit load of picks too….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Salmons can't be included in a package deal until after the season
Plus, Phoenix is going to need immediate salary relief to do any deal for Amar’e
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
"We" did not like Nocioni.
:-)
And we’re glad to know we have a GM that’s alive.
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yeah, i should have clarified
i almost typed the same thing earlier. it’s the contract and his lack of production i’m bothered with. not him personally. But i’m not typically one to care about athletes “personally” anyway, so I typically forget that part of it.
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apparently you guys are really excited so il say it first
First!!!
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
this is actually a paxson move
I dont think this was negotiated by Jerry….like everything else the last couple of years
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:51 PM CST reply actions
Wait, so when Paxson screws up it's
Jerry’s fault, but when Gar does something good, Pax gets full credit?
by YaoPau on Feb 18, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the real beneficiary of this is luol
Miller in the high post should be able to get the ball to deng on cuts to the basket (even though salmons will take some of his minutes). Also, Hopefully there will be more movement and derrick wont have to handle the ball sooooo much. He will be fresher and deadly moving off the ball when miller has it on the high post
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions
To be honest
The whole team is benefitting!
I can;t wait to see Tyrus next to someone who can actually score!
not sure if this has been said already but..
this is priceless…“One source told ESPN.com that the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.”
hahaha…..i wish i was there when noce was pulled off the bus…. i wonder if everyone pointed and laughed at his ass……
Let me just take a moment to say....
….the Kings are dumb. Nocioni for the next 4, maybe 5 years!!! HAAHAAAHAA
Sactown
must really like noc. This trade for them is like Noce for Salmons, where noce has the longer contract. Miller being traded is to give Jason and Spencer more PT.
If it was mere salary dump, they could’ve traded him to the cavs for Wally. I’m sure Cavs would love to have Brad miller and salmons
GRAY/MILLER
Hey maybe Brad Miller can help turn Gray in to a younger version of him…
Ok maybe not…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Feb 18, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions
Dwyer's take
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Bulls-and-Kings-swap-away-what-does-it-all-mean?urn=nba,142373#remaining-content
Nothing groundbreaking, add him to the list of people who think Hinrich to Minnesota is a reality.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
CSN guys are tards
They would rather us get a lottery pick than not make the playoffs this year
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
I agree. That's tarded.
Especially considering that this seems to be a pretty weak draft (by all accounts).
I LOVE THIS!
Chad Ford: A few weeks ago the Bulls finally got bold, attempting to work a complicated three-team deal that would land them Chris Bosh. The problem was, the Raptors and Suns weren’t willing partners.
In comparison, the Bulls trade for Brad Miller and John Salmons seems pretty underwhelming. How is the addition of Miller and Salmons the change that the Bulls really need? The answer, I think, is that it isn’t. Miller was once a force in the low post, but his best years are far behind him. Salmons is a good, versatile role player, but doesn’t really address their weaknesses in the front court.
However, another shoe could be dropping in Chicago. League sources continue to insist that the Bulls might now be done. As Marc Stein reported this morning, the Bulls and Wolves have talked about a Kirk Hinrich trade that would send back some more cap relief (Jason Collins and either Rashad McCants or Brian Cardinal) to Chicago. If the Bulls pull the trigger on that deal, they’ll have only $25 million in committed payroll coming into the summer of 2010. They could have even more space if Salmons opts out of his contract in the summer of 2010.
That would make them serious players in the 2010 free agent market for … you guessed it … Chris Bosh. A source close to Bosh told me this afternoon that Chicago would be his first choice as a free agent destination that summer.
While another year and half of mediocrity might be too long for some Bulls fans, a core of Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, and Chris Bosh might be worth the wait.
by Option27 on Feb 18, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
League Office has now approved the Miller trade, fwiw.
Chicago Bulls Blog anf Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
"A source close to Bosh told me this afternoon that Chicago would be his first choice as a free agent destination that summer."
::faint:: wake back up:::
The Hinrich deal could make even more sense if the Bulls could get a draft pick from Minny for him. Than, in the summer of 2009, when Bosh is up for an extension, they could offer 2 lottery picks (assuming the Bulls don’t make the playoffs), Tyrus/Noah (or both), and Larry Hughes’ expiring deal. I don’t know if it works on the trade machine but it seems like some combination of that would be really enticing to Toronto over the prospect of losing him for nothing.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
of course if they did that Bosh would have to be willing to sign an extension with the Bulls
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Why even give them that much?
Bosh would come willingly as a free agent.
by Playboy_Bull on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
people change their minds
i’d be happy to get him locked up. Miami is a strong possibility as well if he makes it to free agency. They have 21 million coming off the books, D Wade, and no state taxes.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
i just think if you go to the Raptors with that trade this summer
2 lottery picks and their choice of Tyrus or Noah and a big expiring deal (Miller or Hughes) than they would have to think seriously about making that trade immediately. it would be hard to field a better offers. And if you think Bosh is a superstar player, than why not pay a little extra to make sure you land him a.s.a.p instead of letting Donnie Walsh, Pat Riley and Lebron James have a crack at persuading him (among others).
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't seen the movie...
but if the ending is that Brad Pitt has bone spurs in his knee I’m gonna be pissed…
About frakking time.
That is all.
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Good to hear from you Cran!
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Hopeful I will be a regular from now on.
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Where the hell have you been?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Waiting for the trade deadline.
Rehashing until then was sucking the fun out of it for me so I took a hiatus. I watched the games when I could, but the active fandom part had to stop until Bulls management figured out what everyone else here already knew.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I've been gone long enough
I can’t remember who pisses me off here or not. You’ve all got cleaned slates. Spread the word!
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although
I love how occassionally you’ll hear somebody on the street say “frak.” Just warms my heart.
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so say we all
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yes!
another prodigal ‘son’ :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, watching Sportsnight and the Bulls players were commenting...
Luol Deng looked PISSED. Like someone shot his dog. All he said is “Um, we’ll see how it goes. We knew something was gonna happen and things are still happening.” (Supposedly Noc and him were very close.)
Then BG also looked down, saying “I thought something would have happened earlier, like last summer with the guards and everything we have. I don’t really know what the reason was for this trade. It’s just hard for me to say.”
Kirk was more upbeat, and said “I can’t really control it. The rumors are always there, I can’t control it.”
And then VDN was pretty upbeat too (compared to BG & Deng) saying they became a better team.
yea i saw that too
They(Deng and BG) did not look like happy campers
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by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Why is kirk upbeat
when really all evidence indicates him being traded in the next couple days….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Because maybe he is ready to start again?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
....
you are definetly in touch with what a person might be feeling…empathy is your strong suit….and i am being sarcastic…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Yes I'm sure Kirk loves being on the bench right now.......
Why not go to a team that will give him 35 minutes a game and he can utilize his talents?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Pur yourself in that kind of position
being on a team for a while, and then hearing about being traded….i cant imagine it being a good feeling> although logically what you say makes sense, and even to the player the thought may make sense, but it doesnt mean he has to like it. He isnt getting more money, and depending on where he goes…he mgiht not like where he is sent…
i think im the opposite of tyger that i think about these kind of things, the perosal reactions to players (not just kirk) and wonder how it must feel for them. Noch probably feels betrayed and probably cursed out everyone while packing his bags…..while gooden probably takes a deep sign, and just tries to keep it from being personal. Plus being traded in the middle of the season, i mean….im sure kirk was racking his mind with the thought of this happening for awhile, and im sure he will live but you gotta think he wont be upbeat…no matter if he gets minutes or not….kirk never wanted to be THE guy….he wanted to just be a vital member of a team….he could have been fine coming off the bench if that was where he truly was best.
the argument for gordon was the same…if gordon had in front of him a sg that was really better than him, i think he wouldnt mind being on the bench, but since there wasnt he hated being labled a 6th man, with 6th man money and starter responsibilities and minutes. Hinrich has a pg and sg that are both in front of him who were better in thier respective positions….he knew that he wouldve been fine coming off the bench…
Uhh this turned into a hinrich rant, and i am not arguing he shouldnt be traded, just telling you that its not easy for a good solid player to dismiss being traded mid season
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Noce and Gooden were really classy with their comments.
They both expressed their regrets that they were leaving Chicago, saying it was a good organization. A lot of other players always try to show up their old teams, blaming them for their deficiencies and what not.
by PatBull on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe kirk knows his time is done in Chi-town
new beginnings
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by chibullsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
thank you
i translated upbeat to happy….professional probably means he is not showing anything on the outside and going crazy inside….which is what id be doing if i were him….being traded is part of the sports world, but i cant imagine it being pleaseant ever…especially the first time it happens…especially for one of our bulls who are all pretty timid, reserved, and generally no attitude individuals…id say kirks’s personality is much like a kerr or paxson, so i can see him being stressed out while trying to remain pro…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
are you suggesting that gordon doesnt get signed
and kirk is kept?
I wish this trade happened earlier (cuz damn it….it was possible!!!!) cuz then we couldve seen a few games and judged how salmons was or not.
Since alot of teams were intrested in trading for salmons at any rate, i wonder if the bulls could work out somethign and get rid of salmons for more cap relief somehow….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
i thought that's when he'd be traded all along, tbh
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I'd imagine any or all of
Kirk, Ben and Luol would or could be in play over the summer. (or Salmons….)
Hey, that’s the (old) core isn’t it!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
ugh that fucking font
but i guess we’ll see what happens. i don’t think the bulls are done right now.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
At least it is all one size, which is NOT the case
for many Sam Smith posts.
You would think JR could afford a competent webmaster.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
part of the terms
Sam does the HTML himself, keeps him independent :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
of course ben is upset
The salary cap might drop and no one will be able to pay him what he wants. Luol…his best friend on the team got traded. Also, this wont be good for bgs minutes
by rosefromconcrete on Feb 18, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming everyone liked Nocioni
And Gooden seemed like an affable guy. Also, if the players have been watching SC they know Kirk could very well be gone tomorrow as well. But, this is just their initial reaction. They will get over it, it’s just the way of life as a pro athlete.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, well, Deng
has to man-up, so to speak. If they’d gotten it done, they wouldn’t be in this mess. And BG: the reason for this trade was Salmons is a better defender and shooter than Noc, and Miller is the most skilled of our big man. Oh and, contracts. So…yeah.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
it's great to know we have the most sensitive squad in the NBA
can you imagine if KG was on our team?
he made Big Baby cry once, Deng would probably be weeping on a nightly basis
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Feb 18, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
if KG was on our team
We’d be getting deep in the playoffs. He may be an asshole, but he sure knows how to get teammates to play defense. Though, you’re right, there would be lots of tears. And he and Noah would get in fights all the time.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
not really
It wasn’t a joke, it’s true. Just wanted to say that I want KG on the Bulls. And agreeing that KG would make Deng cry.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
Deng and Noc were pals, I believe
and Gordon…well as Steph Marbury said, he’s going up against a billion-dollar organization (ok, not quite as much value as Cablevision) so he has reason to be peeved :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Noce and Deng were really close and lived next to each other for 5 years.
Maybe they were each others support group?
Je t'aime, Gar Paxdorf!
Je t’aime. Beaucoup.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
yeah. Ah, what the hell...
Might as well not react. Dude’s gone, anyway. (sighs)
Kings here
You’ll really like Salmons if he starts, he does it all well. Off the bench, hmmm, nooot so much. Seriously, he’s a steal.
B52s best days are behind him – but a trade might spark him for a while. Not the greatest attitude guy though. If you’re looking for low post, well he ain’t it. He’s a high post player who passes incredibly well from there and hits 12-15 foot jumpers 9and some 3s) at an efficient rate in the ‘catch and shoot’ mode.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
(seriously, Salmons doesn't play for shit off the bench for whatever reason)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
If Salmons starts, I'm a Bulls fan no more
if he can’t handle 10 minutes a night, or play at the 3, he should be buried like Hughes. The Bulls are set at the guard position.
Salmons
is better than Thabo and can provide a good lift at back-up SF/SG. Thabo be damned.
by Playboy_Bull on Feb 18, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
what?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember, this is Brad's second stint with the Bulls.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I do!
Perhaps he implies that B52 isn’t all that we remember?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Brad will Run the half-court offense if they let him
and do it well
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
If Brad and Tyrus are in at the same time
Brad can hit the jumpers and can pass it to tyrus under the rim for the jam….brad is probably gonna be awesome on give and go plays with rose, and finding guys liek gordon open on the arc….i think thats all i expect him to be for the bulls at any rate so if this is what you mean by run the half court offense..i think he is a good fit. Salmons needs to start to be productive? We will see how that turns out….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
If Chris Bosh wants to come here...
well, I can tolerate some mediocrity as long as Rose develops and Deng gets his head screwed on straight!
Hinrich rumors dying
Reports on Wednesday have suggested trade discussions between the Wolves and Bulls in talks regarding Kirk Hinrich being sent to Minnesota for a combination of Jason Collins, Rashad McCants, Brian Cardinal and possibly one of their extra first round picks.
When asked about the prospects that the Wolves will make a trade by the deadline, Kevin McHale told Jerry Zgoda, "Not great, probably not. But who knows."
damn
we need to get rid of this guard glut, otherwise VDN is gonna blow up trying to figure out who to play!
by LoveForTheGame on Feb 18, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
O Glorious Day!
The best since winning the draft lottery.
Miller/TT, Noah/TT and Miller/Noah >> Anyone/Gooden, Anyone/Noc and Gooden/Noc.
Maybe we can?
For what it's worth, Hollinger likes it
Chicago: This is an outstanding deal for the Bulls, who dump one bad contract in Nocioni and get a big boost for the playoff run with Salmons and Miller. Of course, the Bulls were hoping to strike richer with their combination of Drew Gooden’s expiring contract and the $5 million exception from the Joe Smith trade, but once Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire were off the table this was the next best option.
The moves set the Bulls up for a nice free-agent run in 2010, especially if Salmons opts out of his contract that year. And since Chicago is enough of a major league city to be a free-agent lure despite its blustery weather, the Bulls stand a decent chance of ending up with Bosh or Stoudemire via that route a year and a half down the road.
In the short term it helps too. In Miller, the Bulls get a physical interior player who can shoot and pass, and one who may be rejuvenated by playing on a better team. He should be an excellent complement to the Bulls’ more athletic but less skilled combo of Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah. Certainly he’s better than Aaron Gray.
As for Salmons, he’s quietly become among the most productive two-way wing players in the league and should supplant Larry Hughes and Thabo Sefolosha in Chicago’s guard rotation. If the Bulls’ discussions to move Kirk Hinrich pan out, it seems Salmons’ role will be nearly as large in Chicago as it was in Sacramento. Certainly he’s a major upgrade over Nocioni, who had taken to hoisting wild shots, and could put the Bulls over the top in their quest for a playoff berth.
However, if I’m wrong and the Bulls can’t carve out playing time for Salmons, there could be trouble. The one negative about Salmons is his reputation as a me-first guy who gripes if he’s not getting lots of minutes and shots. Grade : A-minus
With that one caveat.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
it scares me that i agree with hollinger perfectly
since usually i think he’s a moron.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
His take is basically the general consenus of the site as well
Chicago has thrown themselves into the 2010 carnival, whether it’s real or just bluster to get the fans excited the public perception is that they are going to go after Amare or Bosh in a year.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I love when traded players talk about how it makes them feel wanted
Drew had a few quotes along those lines, but I thought his kind of read like he was choosing to look on the positive side – like hopefully this means they want me, but if not I’m a UFA. And Larry’s used that line before.
It seems our new friend Salmons wants to be wanted as well:
•Salmons shared his thoughts in an interview with the Sacramento Bee.
“They traded for me, so I’m sure I’m in their plans,” he said.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
new monstrous post is up about this deal
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/2/19/763845/more-on-the-bulls-kings-de
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