RumorPress: Amare trade unlikely (Kaman somewhat likely)
by gocubs40 on Feb 17, 2009 9:42 PM CST
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1.) We know the Bulls have an offer out to obtain Amare Stoudemire. Which is based around Drew Gooden, Tyus Thomas, probably Thabo, and picks.
The Bulls would love to make this move, but it seems Steve Kerr and the Suns management have cooled on the idea of trading Amare. A deal is somewhat unlikely at this point. That could change Thursday, we’ll see. It’s up to the Suns, and they will wait until the very last minute on Thursday to decide
3) Bulls will try to go after Chris Kaman. As we all
know, if the Bulls cant get Stoudemire, they will have a back up plan for someone else. Kaman is the most likely candidate to come to the Bulls. I hear it would probably take Drew Gooden and Tyus Thomas to get him as well.
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Kaman's a real nice player,
but I don’t know about giving Gooden and Tyrus up for him. Gooden and Gordon come of the books next year, so I’d rather wait till the end of the year and see if Boozer or David Lee are available.
he's not a real nice player. he stinks.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
That would be a disaster
Kaman is a terrible fit for us. Doesn’t fit with Rose or anything at all. He would do nothing for this team expect handcuff us for the foreseeable future.
Tell me. What good can come out of having Kaman on our team? What on earth does he bring to the table.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 17, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
We've heard this a million times
No new info regarding Amare.
But if we trade Tyrus for Chris Kaman, I will flip shit. Who in the fuck would be our PF?
Don't apologize.
It was perfectly appropriate and spot on
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 17, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
agree
i could stomach tyrus for amare, and definitely for bosh, but kaman? no thanks…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
ugh
Tyrus in a package for Chris Kaman?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions
yeah, that's a horrible horrible deal for the Bulls. Kaman is, um, not good at basketball.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
he's ok
but part of the point of getting him would be to help Thomas
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't support the notion that he's ok. he's a career 99 ORtg on a below average USG rate
and he’s supposed to bring most of his value on the offensive end? Plus he’s always hurt. Blech. Pass.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
his ORtg/DRtg, Win Shares, and Adjusted +/- all say he’s a slightly above average defensive player and a shitty offensive player. If a coach knew that, Kaman would be a solid pickup, but I don’t think he’s better than Tyrus or Noah right now.
i'd think
the clips may want tyrus, but hopefully pax would have the sense to say hell no. we’re not going to offer the same package for caveman kaman as amare stoudemire. or so i should hope.
the bulls recognize tyrus’s value, and it seemed like they had all but taken him off the table… except for in amare’s case which, well, i can see why they make the exception.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
x2
I think probably 85% of the fanbase would be too.
I’m just wondering who in the hell would be our PF? Noah? A Kaman and Noah frontcourt would be an absolute disaster.
Why would the Clips want Thomas anyway? He’s not a good fit with Z-Bo.
If we don’t get Amare or some other big name, I’d prefer we just stand pat. Brad Miller, Chris Kaman, Samuel Damembert, etc would do nothing for this team.
they'd all do something
but I wouldn’t trade Thomas for them. Just move some bench dreck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
since we're not getting Amare, moving bench dreck for useful players should be goal #1
we actually have a pretty okay starting 5, or at least that I’m comfortable with going forward this season. It’s the bench that I have the problem with. Paying 30 million bucks to 3 players who don’t start and one of whom is sitting home on his butt is a problem.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Hughes for Samuel Dalembert would be pretty nice. Unfortunately, he's a 2010 killer as his contract
goes an extra year beyond that season. If we’re not planning on playing the 2010 game though, having a third productive big under 28 years old wouldn’t be too bad. A three big rotation of TT / Noah / Sammy D would actually be pretty nice. Getting anything of value for Hughes would be worthwhile, I think.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
That would horrible..
Absolutely horrible.
I don’t get why trading Hughes is such a big deal to some people. He’s not apart of this team anymore…He will be sent home on Fri. probably.
why would getting a productive 7 foot center for a guy who is just a contract be "horrible"?
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
adding 2010 money is horrible
any deal that does that should automatically be a no-go
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 17, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I suppose that's true.
What are the odds that we’re actually going to be a player in the 2010 market though, given how we’ve treated our best player BG7? What FA is gonna want to come here after watching that debacle?
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Since whoever it is will be getting their money up front
i’m sure it wont make a bit of difference.
I also don't think we're 2010 players unless and until we dump Hinrich and Noc
for contracts that expire before 2010. Those guys clog up significant cap space.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 17, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Paxson has already stated (as if!)....
…that he doesn’t think the Bulls are looking forward to 2010.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
of course not, because he's not planning on being there in 2010
AND looking to 2010 would imply having a clear vision and plan, which he’s never had.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 18, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
nobody on this board should mention Paxson in an official sense from here on out. He’s only on the job in the physical (if that). He’s not the one making any basketball decisions (that’s Gar Forman). He’s not there mentally. Paxson should be thought of as a complete after-thought.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
I think it's indicative of an orgranizational philosophy.
Maybe Reinsdorf had an official change of heart after 2000. No more spending big money on those flashy players.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Sam Smith on Kaman
But I’d be as interested in him as Stoudemire or Bosh because Kaman is a seven footer and a true center and is under contract for three more seasons after this one. You can build around he and Derrick Rose, even if Kaman doesn’t seem an All-Star type player.
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls_blog/2009/02/will-chris-kaman-be-the-bulls-new-big-man.html
This is like the ultimate extension of “BG should be benched because he’s short” argument. Kaman is as desirable as Bosh and Amare because he’s a 7-footer. sheesh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 18, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
You can build around Kaman..
… in the same sense you can build around a toxic waste dump. If what you’re building is a toxic waste dump monitoring station, you’re in pretty good shape.
by Sports2 on Feb 18, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
*golf clap*
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I agree, let Hughes sulk at his house
In the summer and at this time next year, he can be a huge asset for us.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
no way he sits for an entire calendar year
maybe they’d trade him in the offseason. But he won’t be ‘at home’ to start next season. Tinsley’s been home for a couple months and there’s already rumblings of the union getting involved on his behalf.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
OK, so you tell him to rejoin the team when next year begins
given that you don’t find a suitor in the off season. I think the team would be willing to deal with a little disruption for half a season if it meant a huge reward at the deadline.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
Although I don't envision the Bulls doing something like that
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
RLEC hasn't even been traded yet.
I’ll believe the “huge reward” when I see it.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Union getting involved and union doing something are too seperate things
if the Bulls are making a concerted effort to trade him and writing his checks I’m not sure how much they can do. Obviously he should be fairly movable once he becomes an EC. Tinsley is looking at rotting for 2.5 seasons if he cant get off the Pacers so there is obviously more concern there.
The Union wants to force a trade, release, or buy-out. Well you can’t really force a trade, and you force a buy-out by conceding significant dollars.
If Larry really wants to play on 2/20, all he has to do is get in touch with Jerry and say, give me 8 of the $16mil I’m owed and let me go. I’m sure they could find some common ground around that starting point.
Somehow I don’t see that happening tho.
look at this way: what do you think Hughes' next contract will be?
if he puts up 15 pts/gm, he might get somewhere close to the MLE for a few years (yes, teams are dumb). If not, I’d be surprised if he gets a million.
Now, while the numbers might be different in his head, tell me Hughes isn’t thinking this.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I am hoping that Pax will surprise us for a change with a good move......
we still have tomorrow and half of Thursday, so I will have to keep my fingers crossed and hopefully I won’t have to cuss out Pax Thursday night.
Tommorrow is do or the Bulls favorite phrase
STAND PAT!!!
Plus one for that bro
Too true, he is one ugly mug.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 17, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone post this?
Suns dropped 140 against the clippers today…..clipps only scored 100….they got whomped by 40!!! Yea….Amare aint comin this way…or any other way…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I don't think beating the Los Angeles Clippers at home is enough to make the Suns change their plans
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding
unless there was a $10m purse for the winner
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
But if the Suns were already rethinking the decision to trade him
tonight sure doesn’t do anything in favor of a trade with the Bulls
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
hey
beating a team by 40 is always good….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Except if it's the Clippers.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Not when it's the Clippers
And most teams tend to have a few good games with a new coach (see Boylan, Fuckface Jim).
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Amare's not going anywhere.
I know it’s the Clippers, but the old Suns are back.
Again, Paxson failed to bring us a quality big man.
we'll see how long the honeymoon lasts
now that porter’s gone. they’re not going to play the clips every night.
to say that it was enough to say they’re not trading amare, sure. but to say they’re going to be great again, we’ll see.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah, they get the ding-dong-coach-is-dead bounce
on top of playing a horrible defensive team playing without Camby.
You’d think they’d be better, playing a style that suits the personnel, but whether that will be good enough in the west, who knows.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 17, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd agree
I’ve had many issues with Pax’s inability to pull the trigger in the past, but if Amare doesn’t end up here, it’s going to be because of the Suns’ decision to keep him in the wake of just firing their coach as opposed to anything that the Bulls could have done.
by Frank the Tank on Feb 18, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Well, they just now appear to be looking for a third team
When it was obvious from the beginning that’s what was going to be necessary. Unless they get the Suns under the luxury tax line, you can pretty much forget about it I think.
And unless you can do it without the Bulls staying under the luxury tax line, you can pretty much forget about it I think.
Which, at the end of the day, means you can pretty much forget about it I think. Because to get a third team to take on salary, the Bulls will probably have to pay them extra cash. And perhaps more.
So it basically all comes back to money.
Did anyone watch the short Bulls blurb on WGN sports tonight at the Berto center?
Most of the players were huddled around Vinny who had his right arm raised in a clenched fist “all for one and one for all” salute while the players surrounding him were touching his hand in solidarity except for Nocioni who was standing alone behind them with an angry/pained scowl on his face. Meanwhile, Tyrus was sporting a full toothed grin that made it look like he had just made the All Star team.
Should I read something cryptic into this brief showing? Is it possible that both have been informed of an upcoming trade or in Tyrus’s case, possibly that he isn’t going anywhwere?
If anyone TIVO’D this, I would like to hear their interpretation.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Tyrus should feel like an All-Star, he's been mentioned as a potential main piece in a trade for
one of the games best and most dominant players at his position.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 18, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe Nocioni's knees are just broken,a nd it hurts to stand?
Would explain a lot.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can we just come to grips with the fact
that this tech9 guy is a fraud? Really, is this inside info? What does he say that hasn’t been reported 30 times already in the national media?
And I don’t think there is anyway the Bulls send Tyrus Thomas for a guy, Chris Kaman, who hasn’t played basketball in a month and a half and has a contract that runs past 2010.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 18, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions
and let me know how you make the money work on that one.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Nocioni and
scraps to make it work. I just didn’t want to waste my time on the details cause it’s not that exciting.
scraps?
miller makes 3 million more than nocioni and then salmons is another 5 million. the proposed deal on the other thread is drew and noc, i wouldn’t really consider gooden to be “scraps” (though i’m certainly willing to get rid of him).
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i just hate when people don't put any thought at all into what they're saying.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I'm not Italian
so I don’t like to argue.
by PricanStar on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i already knew about the proposed trade (it wasn't official yet)
when i replied to the original comment – sorry that i didn’t consider gooden “scraps.” it wasn’t like it was nocioni and a bunch of 1 million dollar contracts that got it done.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
GREAT CALL!
I would settle for Brad Miller and Salmons for Nocioni.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
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