Let's keep Larry Hughes
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 17, 2009 2:18 PM CST
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It is clear the Bulls organization is trying to get rid of Larry Hughes before this season's trade deadline. We all on Blogabull want Larry traded away, but what we get in return is an important factor on the success of his departure. If the Bulls don't get a clear cut, kick ass player in return, I say the Bulls should keep Larry until next year. At next year's trade deadline, Larry Hughes' contract will be madly attractive to other teams because of salary relief.
2 years ago most Bulls fans wanted Ben Wallace gone. He was so expensive, and he wouldn't/couldn't score (and barely dunk). His performance on the court was difficult to keep statistics on, and the statistics that he did have were his worst in recent years. So, the Bulls organization was hasty and trigger happy- they traded Big Ben away for Hughes. Acquiring Hughes was a dead mistake; Hughes poor scoring has not outweighed the loss of Wallace's defense.
The Bulls cannot be hasty again with the Hughes situation. They CANNOT acquire a flaky player's contract in order to punt away Hughes.
Essentially, the Bulls season is squashed. With or without Hughes the Bulls will have very limited success. The Bulls won't be GREAT until Rose is GREAT, and Rose needs more time to be GREAT. 1 more season.
If the Bulls cannot get a shining GREAT contract for Hughes, the Bulls should keep him. Next year, Rose will be older, Tyrus will be better, and we can use the Hughes coin to get something the team needs. Or we can let Hughes' contract expire, just as necessary!
LET'S KEEP LARRY HUGHES. LET'S KEEP GOODEN. LET'S KEEP TYRUS. ROSE NEEDS MORE TIME ANYWAY. There will be better deals in 2010!
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What Year is This?
Ben Wallace can play defense?
I agree that Hughes has higher trade value this summer or next year, but let’s not pretend the Wallace deal was a big mistake. It was junk for junk – at least we got $7m worth of expiring junk this year.
i don't agree,
I think the Bulls team was better with Wallace and Smith v Gooden and Hughes. The bulls were a playoff caliber team. They Bulls aren’t anymore.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 17, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the Bulls were awesome last year!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I disagree with you.
Not because I hate you or anything, but because you are unequivocally wrong. Wallace was [is?] a decent backup big man who could play defense. However, because of the $ of money he was being paid and the inexperience of our other guys, he was playing 30 minutes a night. And he can’t anymore. He’s awful at that.
In addition, he was totally destroying our team chemistry.
Hughes and Gooden? One of them isn’t playing, the other’s injured and expiring this year. Joe Smith isn’t really defensive-minded.
It works.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
i done remember wallace doing anything last year
at least larry hit some game winning shots
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
I don't necessarily think the Bulls were "better" with Wallace and Smith
but it was an easier log jam to deal with as opposed to the Hughes/Gooden combo. At the time, Noah and Tyrus weren’t ready for heavy minutes (IMO) and so it was easier to distribute minutes. There’s no way possible to play Hughes over Ben, Rose, Kirk, or even Thabo…so it just made everything worse.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
for the umpteenth time
nobody is suggesting they deal Hughes for post-2010 money.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions
Yeah
But maybe we CAN do that (next year’s deadline) and get more than we’ll get this year with the expiring contract.
I mean there’s not too much to choose from this year besides Ben Gordon, and I think Ben’s one foot out the door anyway.
right. I don't want to Bulls to be trigger-trade-happy. there's always next year. point.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 17, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
forgot to add 'period'.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
why
you’ll do no better than another 2010 expiring.
Joe Smith was worth more today than Jason Collins, because he actually could contribute a bit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
maybe not!
and, not all 2010 contracts are the same.
I dont’ want to see the Bulls losing Tyrus because they want to take a shot @ Brad Miller (or such). Acquring Brad Miller isn’t a solution, it’s just something to do when there is a problem.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 17, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
what does that have to do with trading Hughes in a garbage-swap?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe you're still arguing w/ this guy
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 17, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody's
Trading Tyrus in a Brad Miller swap.
I do think that Larry un-legend can play a wee bit more than Jason Collins and thus might have a bit more value…..he would be tradable if he made close to the MLE and especially so if it were less.
But it might be a nice expiring piece to couple with some young “crap” next year to pull off a Kaman deal, rather than fire sale him away for even crappier crap that’s a bit cheaper and not have the big expiring to clear up some other team’s books…
yeah but we wouldn't be so desperate to get rid of him
if he made that little. the point is that he’s a 12 million dollar man who doesn’t even sit on our bench anymore.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I understand the financial
implications this year, and $13.5M or whatever it is is a ton of dough, but truth be told he can play a bit, just ain’t in our plans, and teams might rather pay him say $6.25M at next year’s deadline to remove a good piece they don’t want (Kaman—for one—of course Bulls add some more talent, etc, but Larry’s contract is a key piece) and the Clippers—pure example, we’ll know more obviously next year might use that dough to get more.
Of course, I don’t give a rats ass what we do with the un-legend if we get Amar’e or Bosh….
Keep Larry Unlegend.
Hughes’s contract will be on the biggest expiring contracts next year. Let’s hold on to him so we can get real value back not just another team’s junk like Bobby Simmons.
If he makes noise, just Marbury him. I don’t see people want to spend some much time trying to get rid of Larry this year. Wait til next year.
i love the nicknames people come up with on this site in general.
the corpse, larry unlegend, ensign kirk…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I never heard
ensign Kirk.
The Corpse was one of the most hysterical ones…..
I also like “the Hair”-not mine either and Vinny DelEggroll is so stupid it still makes me laugh even if Immanuel Kant hasn’t used it in months….
people on this site
started demoting kirk from captain when he was playing so terribly. ;) i thought it was hysterical. but it wasn’t as widespread as some of the others or last as long.
“the hair” is also great lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I literally burst out
when I first saw Vinny Del Eggroll…kinda like I just did when you typed it :)
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 17, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The bangin' beard.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 17, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
i don't even know why i clicked on this
from the title. and then i’ll admit i didn’t really read the post…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
though the part that i did read
you really think we’re going to get a kick ass player in return for larry freakin hughes?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
WE NEED
to trade Hughes for an expiring ’09 contract if we dont land amare, because we need to resign gordon. With another expiring contract to go with goodens we will have enough money to sign him.
Also, the Wallace trade was not a "dead mistake."
(a) On-court production. Wallace’s defense was pretty non-existent for us before the trade. He gave us one good year, and then loafed.
(b) Locker room. Hughes may be a distraction this year, but he’s not a cancer. Wallace’s moodiness can still be felt around here as we’ve never shaken the bad mojo and feeling of loserness that he imparted.
© Development. While he whined a little, Hughes has for the most part been a good little boy sitting on the bench this year. Could we have marginalized Ben like this? There’s no way that Tyrus and Noah would have progressed to their current places if Ben were still on the team. That’s pure speculation, but I feel pretty good about it.
(d) Finances. Pax turned Wallace’s ginormous contract into smaller nuggets, some of which come off the books much sooner. For instance, without Gooden’s (and Simmons’s) expiring contract there wouldn’t have even been an Amare rumor, let alone a very close heist of another team’s fire-sale big man (that could still happen, I guess). Furthermore, Brown’s contract coming off the books this past summer and Gooden’s this summer gave us more flexibility in negotiations with Deng and Gordon (which only half-panned-out, but would have been more severely hampered with Wallace still on the payroll).
All in all, I’d say unloading Wallace is one of the better things Pax has engineered (he was fixing a problem he himself created, so he doesn’t get huge kudos, but it was a smart and important move nonetheless).
by arjoseph on Feb 17, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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