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If we get Amare, do we fire or keep VDN?

I've never been a fan of the VDN hiring. The boneheadedness he demonstrated in the Heat game by having Rose on the bench, a cold Thabo throwing the ball in, and Tyrus not playing the inbounder on the final play, are in my opinion, more than enough to fire him and have angry peasents drive him out of town with pitchforks.

Yet, for the moment, he is still the coach. If we get Amare the Bulls will be entering a new era. It's my opinion, that this would be a perfect time to fire Vinny. If Paxson, Reindorf believe that Vinny won't last his contract, if he'll probably be fired at the end of the season, why pollute the next few months with a lame duck coach? To start the Rose/Stoudamire era with a rookie coach orchastrating what should be an amazing 1-2 punch and continuing to oversee Rose's development seems like a mistake. I'd say fire VDN and let Del Harris, a proven coach who's won COY honors, take the reigns of the new look Bulls. VDN does not deserve the chance to screw this up. I don't want to let him. Just as PHX is firing Terry Porter to give themselves a fresh start with hopefully their Amare-less team, I say we do the same.

However, the devil's advocate would say: VDN already knows Amare from working the front office in PHX. He knows how to tailor the game to best fit Amare's strenghts. He's the perfect man for the job and the trade for Amare would effectively  let him "start the year over". Besides, if the trades works as commonly proposed, now he wouldn't be able to put Thabo in at the end of the games or start Drew Gooden over our best power forward.

What do you think?

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If we trade for Amare do we fire VDN or give him a stay of execution til at least the end of the season?
Fire Vinny!
112 votes
The Hair can stay
41 votes

153 votes | Poll has closed

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I debated...

But in general VDN sucks. And everyone, seriously EVERY other team knows it. Time to move on, and Del Harris would definitely be an upgrade. Bickerstaff would actually be great too – his Denver teams always had decent offenses. I just wish JR would go into the tax – Rose, Gordon, Deng, Stoudamire, and Noah is a solid, deep playoff team.

by CrazyJoe on Feb 15, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Id disagree

Vdn sucks but his problem is more due to the fact that he has ZERO exprience coaching. One of the biggest problems with vdn might be playing the wrong players at the wrong time (see end of the miami game) Sure hes an idiot and should never do the subs he does, but it can somewhat be helped. Trade a bunch of the favorites away (gooden, thabo, noch….and i guess kirk….) and vdn will have no choice but to keep the better players in longer. That said i think vdn will eventually have to go, unless he suddenly becomes a great coach next season (its not happening this season, but its very possible he actually understands coaching next season) plus hopefully will have a better roster and after the ben gordon saga is figured out, we really should be purged of most drama.

Vdn is bad but he is no boylan…boylan had a nice long run of experience through assistant coaching…yet he still could figure nothing out. His potential to be a good coach was far less than vdn. Plus vdn is extremely cheap and if we fire him after we get amare, well we are looking at alot of bad elements going towards amare. He will get a rep of being a guy who causes coaches to get fired, and maybe will feel even more uncomfortable in chicago because of that and will thus opt out in 2010. We keep vdn, and vdn caters to a fast paced game involving rose and amare. Vdn seems like the kind who caters to rose, and if he also caters to amare and keeps the two happy i think his job will be mostly a success…(note: to really keep them happy they also have to be winning somewhat…no one likes to lose)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 15, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I for one

Like some of the upside of VDN vs Skiles and especially he who must never be mention B%#$! . I mean Vinny has done the following something we’d have never seen from the last 2 coaches: Played Rose 35+ minutes out of the gate and kept him in through mistakes…, played our 2nd best player Ben Gordon as a starter…..played Tyrus and Noah and sat them to work on their preparadness even though he and we knew they were FAR MORE TALENTED than Stay Puff (Gray).

He gave the talented but me oriented Hughes the shot his $12.6M and 13.5M contracts would indicate he needs and took the balls to sit him out of the game in lieu again of the far better BG and Hinrich and even THabo (Thabo’s not better than Hughes, but doesn’t have the bad rap either, so in that regard he’s more tradable—not to mention he makes 1/12th of Hughes’s salary).

He also has worked on the team chemistry quite a bit….this was a team that was far more known for the locker room dramas the past year (headbandgate, Noah incident, whining, crying, not playing hard)….since VDN’s been here, they’ve played more as a unit and played hard (Finding ways to lose due to the weird rookie coaching errors than just losing cuz they were disinterested—what we saw from B and more so actually from the end of Skiles….

So I know B cannot be compared to because he was perhaps the single worst coach in the history of the NBA (he was to coaching what than I think Jonathan Quinn guy was to QB’ing…hope I got that name right), so I am not comparing him….but as to comparisons of Skiles. Sure Skiles was more experienced, but Skiles wanted to be the team’s leader from the sidelines, he wanted to play the energy guys (Hinrich-Noc-Duhon-Malik Allen-Adrian Griffin, etc his guys over the far better upside/better players Gordon, Gordon, Gordon, TYrus THomas, oh yeah Ben Gordon again)…..Skiles also seemed to want to be the team’s leader, pulling guys after every misstep instantly, running 3 plays (barring a timeout) which were virtually the same play just changing the 2 other guys involved…..

We were a tired team.

Under Vinny we’ve seen many missteps, we’ve seen us lose close games (which are pure coaching errors) but we also have seen a team finding an identity, working together on the court, featuring the youngest, highest upside and most talented lineups mostly rather than the nice energy smarter but without that upside guys, and it seems the team has continued to play hard mostly and is coming together. THe offense has flowed a bit and shown some identity of late (whereas early it was more give the ball to Rose and let him create, now it seems we’re running plays and they aren’t the pure 2 man Skiles game play). Our defense was horrendous earlier in the season, but has come around a bit of late….VDN began employing the zone, then it seems with tape sessions taught the young bigs and really Luol (who forgot he was a good team defnder in his earlier days, as he only remembered the man to man defense) to move…..we’ve got a flow to our team again.

Now the sub woes and the losing close games is annoying, but he’s a rookie coach, and it seemed he was a rookie coach with little input for a while from Harris and Bickerstafff, and now it seems all are coming around a bit more.

THe crap you hear about our offense being pedestrian is pure b.s. What do you expect, we haven’t had the talented on O bigs to really make a difference down low.

I’m giving Vinny a B- so far this season…..granted our record indicates otherwise, but we now at least are a team again, not a complete laughing stock chock full of very talented pieces who can win a game based on their talent alone…..now we seem to be a team who has a hope of finding an identity even amidst the never ending trade rumours…..

I would have thought our record would be better, but then again Vinny had a D going into the last month and seems to be turning things around a bit on the fly. I wonder if he was given the Phx job what he could have done with a real roster full of mature, veteran talent…..I’d believe given how we’ve dramaticaly improved from Nov even if the record doesn’t quite indicate it, that he’d have done far better than Terry Porter.

Let’s see what happens with the trade deadline…..give the guy the full year and reevaluate afterwards…..I know our talent is decent, but the chemistry after last year was completely ruined, completely ruined, and Vinny’s done a good job of trying to work in th eleaders and their influence ont he court (obviously Rose, but Kirks’ been more a leader this year than he was all of last year), Vinny’s allowed Luol to play through the horrendous stretches to start the year (unfortunately he also let Noc play through a very horrendous stretch too) and ultimately it seems with the chemistry on the court that the new big 3 (Since BG’s one foot out the door) that Rose-Noah-Tyrus are building a chemistry…..I know that that is somehting waying on Pax’s mind with the deadline too, but it’s been Vinny’s influence shaping this team.

I mean imagine if we had Scott as our coach still, Rose misses his man defensively and seeing as he was the #1 pick, Skiles would let it go twice maybe 3 times, but after that we would have seen Lindsey, Lindsey Lindsey out there, and would have been killed by 30 more often than we would have won and lost very close, but highly competitive games.

I think Vinny’s had room to improve, but as a 100% rookie coach, I like what I’ve seen. Not great, but given the experience level, the horrible chemistry woes that made our team an embarrassment last year, the gluttony of guards, the lack of experienced and in-shape big men (Something even He who must not be named didn’t have with Noah in considerably better rookie shape) and the fact that Vinny’s trying to keep the players’s identity on the court rather than with him (The lack of public criticisms, constant public criticisms of guy’s deficiencies are replaced with a focus on the positives of what they brought individually and then rather than say Derrick sucks at defense, he says well we need to be better at this and we need to work more on that).

It’s a bit refreshing. Minor steps sure, but all on here have to know despite what we wanted to think that our team was a mess last year.

Now would I have preferred D’Antoni, absolutely. I was all over that and would not have been happied with a Mike D’Antoni signing…..but overall given that Vinny’s a rookie coach, I like the positivies……if he doesn’t improve I’ll be screaming fire his ass, but having him hit that low with the 5 game losing streak, I think he’s improved…..and the team’s improved. It’s not all because of the players….I know Derrick adds something to the team (A big something) but I think these minor steps are building a chemistry really this team never had. We relied on Skiles to dictate the team, and when the guys got tired of his rule, they fell apart, and the less talented (Hinrich, Noc, hell even Deng to a degree were 100% exposed), the one trick Pony became known more for his one trick (but he’s one helluva one trick pony guy, and our team suffered miserably—I can’t believe he wasn’t part of the 3 pt shootout….I heard Kenny and them ponder for Ray Allen, but come on BG’s just as good a 3 pt shooter (Actually better statistically, but shoots a bit less) and I think the Bulls were so underrepresented in the all star weekend not just htis year but the past 4-5 years that it would have made sense…..surely BG’s as worthy if not more so than champion Daquan Cook or Jason Kapono—maybe he turned it down….who knows).

Let’s just hope we do better in the second half and that VDN improves a bit so I don’t look like a freaking idiot more than I do by backing one of our team’s guys…

by majoyenrac on Feb 16, 2009 1:34 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Sorry a bit

For the ramble and likely repetitiveness of this….had a few drinks tonight as I plan to enjoy the lounging around that President’s Day (work holiday for me, and I’m in finance but not in banking or govt, hooray), so I enjoy the laziness of it all, esp when my wife has an early doctor appt and thus I can sleep in….woo hoo.

by majoyenrac on Feb 16, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

now i know what other people feel like when they read my hinrich rants :)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 2:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

I think vinny isnt horribly bad, coaching isnt exactly easy…and yea he makes strides. I think people criticized him for giving d. rose the last shot, so he takes him out of the last play and…at least he was willing to change. He isnt stubborn, just dumb…..but he is dumb because he is inexperienced….and plus this roster has its share of woes….. i think he will get better but unlike you i dont see it happening in this season at all.

The bulls really need to get into the playoffs, yes they will lose, but its not just rose who needs the playoff experience….vdn needs some himself……i think next year is a better judge for what vdn is capable of…

was getting vdn a mistake??? maybe….more like a gamble. I dont think vdn is a good coach for this team right now, i dont think vdn should stay with this team right now. I dont think vdn will be ready for this team in two years. But i think at the end of vdns contract everyone will know if he is either a bust of a coach or a solid coach. If we cut him off now he probably will never get a chance to see what his potential truly is. Thats as apologetic i cant get for vdn.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't "willing to change" anything

He just forgot to put Rose back in the game. That’s incompetance, not flexibility.

Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Feb 16, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of share most of what you said,

only there is an uncertainty to all this praise for VDN because of Gooden’s injury. Would VDN have sticked to TT/Noah if Gooden was available this past month ?

If no, then most of what you said is circumstantial, not as much thanks to VDN.

If yes, then I also think that he’s done quite a few nice things with this group of players (that is play the young forwards, and get a group of players with chemistry problems from the past year, to play together hard again).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That is the big question mark….but I’m giving him a bit of the benefit of the doubt because we haven’t seen all the Gray play of late, and I really do believe Drew is healthy but is being asked to sit because we want to play the youngs. THe team is covering up for Drew because of his own contract status…..otherwise how could Drew be involved in so many trade discussions…..hurt players rarely ever get traded….

Plus we saw Drew play and look like normal Drew for 2 games before he mysteriously sat now for what the last 2-3 weeks with a hamstring injury that has completely shelved him……

Seems odd to me. I think he’s healthy and that the Bulls are trying to move forward, but Drew’s been far more professional than Larry so the Bulls have done a nice cover up to help secure his future in the league a bit more…

by majoyenrac on Feb 17, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell Yes......fire him now

He will mess it all up. If we get Amare then Vinny will have NO excuses. NONE…….I already know if we keep him he is going to make a dumb ass move….a move that makes no sense at all.

Doesn’t Harris deal with a more motion offense? Vinny is going to mess it up. He and Porter should be fired.

Bring Amare into a new atmosphere and give Derrick Rose some REAL coaching.

by Bart71 on Feb 15, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this is an either/or situation

If the Bulls haven’t fired VDN by now, I doubt they’ll fire him at any point of this season.

by NittanyCub on Feb 15, 2009 10:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Vinny should be fired...

Regardless of Amare…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 15, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

pretty much

I don’t think you should “Terry Porter” him…but he should not last beyond the end of the season.

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by NormVanBeer on Feb 16, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It isnt fully VDNs fault

That the Bulls are under performing…

Deng has proven to be a flop and at the best inconsistent.. meaning every once and a while he is good…

Hinrich, a starter, starts off the season injured…
Thomas is a waste of athleticism (not VDNs choice for getting him a few years ago)
Gooden has been hurt, Gordon taking on more of a roll, Noah picked too early in the draft..
I was skeptical of getting VDN and still am, but given the situation, he needs to implement his game into this dissarray of players, and the organization needs to build around Rose to even give a new coach a chance to win in a city that puts so much pressure on winning

WOW WHAT A SEASON!

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Feb 16, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

it is his fault

deng is underperforming because they run no plays for him. they should be utilizing his slashing ability esp with a great passing pg in rose

hinrich injured was actually a good thing since bg has played well so far

thomas is not a waste of athleticism. i am still a firm believer that if they stayed with him and kept up with the minutes hes getting now all season he would be a pretty good player by the end of the season

but not playing your star player with 4 seconds left to go is inexcuseable
vdn seems likea great guy and all but coaching is just not his thing

by sin on Feb 16, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying hes a good coach or anything

but Im not gonna say hes no good yet either… hes had a lot of shit to deal with with this team as he learns how to be a head coach in the NBA

WOW WHAT A SEASON!

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Vinny LOST that game and was out classed not by a veteran coach....

but another ROOKIE Coach. What is the difference? Sepolsa did not bench WADE because Beasley or chalmers was having a good night. On the last play WADE had the ball in his hands and he made it happen…….PERIOD.

Who in the hell else would have the ball on a last play but WADE. I remember in WADES ROOKIE season when they went to the playoffs against Charlotte and it was WADE that won one of the games on a last shot.

Vinny should come out and say that I made a bad call…….no excuses.

by Bart71 on Feb 16, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Bart

I can live with making a mistake, not taking responsibility for the mistake is the huge leadership error.

by bullschwaa on Feb 16, 2009 6:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*spoeltra

that was really WAY off.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Feb 16, 2009 2:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Im in no way a VDN fan

but firing him immediately after trading for Amare would be seriously weak. Its clearly a sink or swim moment for him, but youve got to give him a shot with a much improved team.

by reprisal on Feb 16, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you, Pax hired VDN knowing

that his first year would be a learning process. Everyone knew he wasn’t a finished product, and he hasn’t been one.

But the Bulls have been playing hard for him lately, he’s been giving minutes to the right players, and apart from a few quirky lineup decisions, the past month has been a striking success in my opinion. Starting all over with a new coach would be a step backwards.

by YaoPau on Feb 16, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yea he might not be competant

but he isnt a prick like skiles or a bafoon like boylan….aside from what the media picks up to make fun of him with (and what blogabull picks out) i think the players are generally okay with vdn. I dont think they’d praise his coaching ability, but they probably like him genuinely as a person…and thats at least something….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 2:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they like his house

at least there’s that.

by YaoPau on Feb 16, 2009 2:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The players make fun of him...

Through the media…he does not have their respect, he is clowned by them…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 16, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a link to this?

Cuz i honestly do not remember this, and no… i refuse to read between any lines….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So even though he sucks as a coach . . .

The Bulls should keep him around because he’s a nice guy?

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Feb 16, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They should keep him around because

He is cheap

He can still grow to become competant as a coach

He is not having a negative affect on this locker room (yet)

and

We are not a playoff team…if we get a good enough roster in the regular season coaching wont be such a big factor. In the playoffs it probably will. Our roster is pretty mediocre as it is right now, and amare though i think makes us offensively better doesnt really make our overall roster much better. We have a good 2-3 years before we will actually have a good roster, which is also how long vinny’s contract is. I dont care who the coach of this team is, winning 10 more games still isnt contention. Why waste millions on a great coach when you dont have a roster capable of making it into the playoffs without “squeaking” in. And even if they do, this roster doesnt have the talent to get past the first round much less the second. So you can eithe fire vdn now, pay for him skiles and the new coach you get, and still find yourself only a hanful of wins better??? No thanks. Ill keep vdn until the players start shutting him out like boylan….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Waste

The reason you “waste” millions on a coach is so the coach can improve the players in the next 2 years who may remain with the team.

What do you think the coach should be doing in the next 2 years aside from hoping the players don’t shut him out?

by bullschwaa on Feb 16, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

If the coach can not develop talent then your only option is to acquire proven talent, see Stoudemire, Amare.

by bullschwaa on Feb 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hence the title of this fanpost

?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO. As much as I don't like the Hairness; If we get Amare, we turn into instant contenders. They(STAT and Vinny)

can talk about doing all the things they did in PHX. Like the Pick and ROLL. Derrick and Amare will be runnin the same plays. I like our chances, with BG playing well, and there is Luol at weak side. Amare rolls to the basket, he is not poppin out, but still he can do so. I, folks, am gettin EXCITED.

Derrick Rose got Freakin Skillz. When are we going to add a 7th championship?

by broseleay301 on Feb 16, 2009 4:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mr. YFBB..... you need to put a unrec button on here.....

it would be very usefull……cause sometimes, although somebodys comment might be dumb as fuck… we still want to make sure that everyone else here thinks their comment is dumb as fuck by letting everyone know that 97% of people here think they are dumb as fuck… just my opinion….

by masputo on Feb 16, 2009 5:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've run across the same problem

And somehow the “flag”-button seems inappropriate…

Unless you can flag for stoopidity? Matt?

by BAB-Bass on Feb 16, 2009 6:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ignore it, or say it's dumb and then ignore it

though your comments are amongst the worst here, mr. ‘……….’, so I wouldn’t be clamoring for such things.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well thats obviously your opinion..

but see…wouldnt it be nice if you could unrec me…..and if everyone feels the way you feel, then by the time you got to where i put my comment, it wouldnt be there anymore…because of all the unrecs i would of already gotten….so see it makes sense…..again..just my opinion

by masputo on Feb 16, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're an idiot

see what I did there?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i called you a loser...

letting you know, just in case you were confused as to what i did there…;)

by masputo on Feb 17, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a lot of '...'

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyday with Vinny,,,

….is a day wasted for Derrick Rose. What did Rose learn about end of the game situations from last Thursda’s Heat game? He didn’t learn how to operate with 4 secs left or he didnt learn how to be a decoy on a night another player (BEN) is hot. He also didn’t learn how to guard an end of the game situation by sitting out on defense.

Skiles contract comes off the books this year so maybe Jerry would stomach paying 6mil for a coach nexy year.. Vinny’s 2.5 and Dougs 3.5? I would still want Collins to be the transition coach that takes a young Derrick and (Amare) to the playoffs for a couple of years, and then when its time to compete for a championship another coach takes over cause Collins is too old.

by Jscho316 on Feb 16, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He needs to go now

What’s the point of trading for Amare if the coach might forget to put him in the game on the final play? The Bulls would probably be better with Amare, but that’s a reason to hire a decent coach, not to keep Vinny around out of generosity. He needs some more experience, and he should get that experience coaching a D-League team, not the Bulls.

Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Feb 16, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Amare's a free agent in a year and a half

So the Bulls only have a limited amount of time to convince him that he should stick around if they should trade for him. Why waste any of that time by sticking him with an incompetent coach?

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Feb 16, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Any trade for Amaré that does not include extending his contract

is a bad one, unless it only includes players the Bulls need off the team for talent and/or salary reasons (TT and Noah NOT included).

Maybe we can?

by Granny Waiters on Feb 16, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as JR

is still paying Skiles I don’t see him firing VDN. He’s not going to pay two ex coaches while paying for another new coach.

by sue369 on Feb 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He might if John Paxson becomes head coach

Which, basically is the only scenario in which Vinny would go.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you see

John doing that? I guess I don’t.

by sue369 on Feb 17, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

definitely don't.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its just terrible timing

Despite the fact that he fell embarrassingly flat on his face at the end of the Miami game, for the past month the team has been playing much better, you bring in a superstar and then you fire your coach? Makes no sense.

Sure VDN probably never should have been hired in the first place. Sure, hiring someone with absolutely no coaching experience to coach a jumbled roster in a big market sounds pretty insane. What did they expect? Perhaps he should have all ready been fired. But doing it now would be pretty bad.

Look you give him 2 months, maybe by some miracle he and his vaunted communication skills are the right fit for getting Amare focused. Then at the end of the season, you sit down with Amare and he most likely says “This guy sucks, and I’m going to eat him for lunch if he fines me for eating PB&J one more time.” And then you go out and get the right guy for Amare & Derrick. Firing Vinny mid season doesn’t get that guy on the bench right now anyways.

Or JR refuses to pay for a real coach and we all sit home and cry through another year of watching vastly under achieving talent….

by reprisal on Feb 16, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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