(UPDATE: CONFIRMED) REPORT: Paxson to resign after trade deadline passes?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 1:24 PM CST
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UPDATE4: McGraw again, saying this whole story is "a colossal false alarm". I get that if it's just Vescey. But McGraw's 'competitor' on the beat, Brian Hanley of the Sun-Times, has some serious explaining to do. That's what made this an 'alarm', not Vescey's "I don't know it to be fact yet" story.
UPDATE3: tipped from 670AM: David Aldridge is citing health concerns in Pax's resignation. It reads to be more 'stress' than a serious ailment. -ed
UPDATE2: Mike McGraw's sources say it's "the farthest thing from the truth", and dispute the Sun-Times confirmation. Reinsdorf has also issued an official denial, with a shot at Vescey of course. -ed
UPDATE: The Sun Times confirms this story. -ed
[From the Fanposts. It's Vescey, but you never know. I always believe the 'Pax quits' reports before the 'Pax is fired' ones -ed.]
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday's trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades - Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O'Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen - in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn't be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn't agree on money last May.
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Should have been a fanshot.
This said, stuff posted on Cnnsi truth and rumors is rarely true in the end.
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on Feb 13, 2009 7:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The source for this is Vecsey
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday’s trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades – Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen – in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn’t be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn’t agree on money last May.
What the shit? Aside from the fact I mentioned the possibility of Collins a while back, I find it pretty unlikely that he’d stay one one more week, make huge deals, or not, to change the course of things, and then leave or be fired. Unless, I guess, they’re doing something he strongly disagrees with and just want to make him a patsy.
I dunno… I’m not surprised he might resign since he hasn’t looked like he enjoyed his job in two years, but the timing is very odd. So I’m chalking it up to BS at the moment.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 7:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Screwed up the blockquote there, should be
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday’s trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades – Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen – in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn’t be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn’t agree on money last May.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the NBA on NBC days, Peter Vecsey was the go to guy for basketball news.
This time though I think i’ll just wait till Feb 20th and see for myself. Funny though because I haven’t heard any unusual rumblings about this. You always hear something when chatting the fellas up, but nothing unusual has been said. I’ll be in Phoenix this weekend though so I’ll keep my ears open.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do some amount of chatting up the fellas?
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bulls players...
…but I have a few friends who have been in the league a while, some who are recently retired (and one who needs to retire…LOL), and a few who have been retired a few years now. I’d also count among my friends a member of the Bulls coaching staff (Pete Myers). I talk with them all on a fairly regularly basis seeing as though I pretty much grew up with them and played ball with them (I’m in my early 30s), but I don’t glean any insider information from them other than players opinions about other players throughout the league. This Paxson thing, I know nothing about and rightfully so. If Pete knows anything about it he wouldn’t be telling me anyway. Because he knows I post on here and other sites at times, he doesn’t share many of his personal opinions with me in regards to the team…and understandably so. So I have no more of an idea if this is really true than any of you. If anyone here knows any of the current Bulls players then they’d likely know. I believe that I recall YourFriendlyBullsBlogger saying he had a bit of insider Bulls info. He’d know much better than I would what’s going on with the team.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a very very very small bit
less than you knowing Pete Myers, I’ll tell you that…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had lunch with Aaron Gray once!!!!
he doesn’t tell me shit…. he doesn’t call…. he doesn’t write….
Does that count as more insider info than you Matt?
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be scared he would eat me too.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
He was super nice. That’s why I’ve defended him so much, I was having lunch with Aaron’s brother on the day of Aaron’s exit interview with Paxon at the end of last year. And Aaron came right after the interview.
I didn’t want to pry, so I didn’t ask him anything to in depth about the team, but he knew I was a big Bulls fan, and he offered to give me tickets pretty much whenever I wanted.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how seriously I can take this
considering Vecsey couldn’t spell “Kaman” correctly. That said, I hope we don’t get Randolph or Kaman while Pax escapes out the back door.
by YaoPau on Feb 13, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph....HELL NO!!
In all honesty though, I’d rather have Kaman than Brad Miller. It’ll be interesting to see what’s going to happen though. Honestly, although I disagree with some of his decisions, I don’t despise Paxson. I don’t think he is a terrible GM, but I do think he’s having trouble adapting and overcoming. The organizational philosophy is too conservative compared to that of many teams around the league and a lot of players have been turned off to Chicago for that reason and that’s a shame ’cause Chicago is a market that has it all!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would think it’s BS. I think the Reinsdorf vote of confidence is enough. Plus Pax looked very cheery during the Red ceremony (And if he was contemplating resigning 2 weeks later, I doubt he’d be as legitimately cheerful).
It’s strange. I’m pissed at Pax for what this team has become, and was gunning hard for him leaving 2 months ago, but if it does I’ll be oddly upset….I was a HUGE Paxson fan as a kid during the first 3 peat…..it’ll be sad for him to be ousted because he’s done a horrible job to tarnish his Chicago rep. I’d rather see him right the ship and then leave……
But oh well, if he doesn’t do anything during this trade deadline, doesn’t do ANYTHING AT ALL, I want him so far away from this team.
I don’t care exactly if we don’t get Amar’e (I’d like it if we did), but if we still have Larry on the team and no change whatsoever, I’ll be beyond pissed.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of how I feel.
I get mad a Paxson, then I see him draining all those big jump shots in game 5 of that series against the Lakers in 1991, followed by the trey on the pass from Horace Grant to seal title number 3 for us against Phoenix (ahhh the good old days).
Then I immediately think of the Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon backcourt and I cringe…and get mad all over again…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...ok
That would be odd if it happened. Why would he pick after the all-star break to resign? Why not the end of the season?
This is just strange. I can’t believe any of this for right now. Peter Vecsey hasn’t been right in like 2 years.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL...you're right about Vecsey.
Sitting there with that smug look on his face….being wrong time and time again. Then when he finally gets one right he acts like he’s vindicated…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming it's so the organization
can continue negotiating the ‘rumored’ trades that are currently being reported. I’d imagine it’d be difficult to have a new GM just “step-into” trade talks with another GM after there had been weeks/months of ongoing dialogue with the former GM.
by Starred4Life on Feb 13, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh... what is there to do for a GM after the trade deadline, before the end of the season?
at least they can try out For#*%(an as a replacement just like last year!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morons in the Morning
Reporting it true via NY Post.
Hey everybody, let's talk sports!
by Hoops on Feb 13, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
K.C is a horrible writer who doesn’t know shit. Any of us could do a better job than he does. Man knows nothing about basketball.
by C Smoove on Feb 13, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tell us how you really feel...
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Pax may be sick of the overzealous owner routine.
Fan speculation on here is that he was overruled when they brought in Wallace, overruled when they didn’t bring in D’Antoni. And Reinsdorf’s cryptic statement that the disappointing season is anyone’s fault but Paxson makes it seem like he’s not being fired.
Pax might just feel like he’s being neutered by the owner, and I see him as a guy who has too much pride to just sit there and collect a paycheck for being a yes-man whose thoughts or analysis is ignored.
Funny thought, though, is how this will shake out for Jim Paxson, architect of one of the worst moves in NBA general manager history, with letting Boozer walk. He seems like he’s only on the Bulls staff because John is the GM. I can see him walking into Reinsdorf’s office and beginning to open his mouth to talk, and Reinsdorf shouting “NO!” at anything he says.
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by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL at the Jim Pax stuff
I have to think if this comes to pass, it’ll be pretty mutual. If I were Pax, I’d have reason to be pissed at Reinsdorf. And vice versa.
I still think Doug Collins seems like a reasonable GM prospect.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reasonable in that he'd be hired? or actually good?
too weepy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a GM though, he'd be more removed from the immediate passions of being in the games.
And if you take that away, he’s a prety smart dude who seems to know everything about the NBA.
Couple that with tightness with Reinsdorf, and he’s qualified. Tightness with Reinsdorf is important, because if part of the issue is that Reinsdorf is too prone to inserting himself into the decision-making process (process!), then the GM has to be someone with both a fairly similar vision and (possibly unlike Paxson) the stature in Reinsdorf’s eyes to steer him when he needs to be steered.
I don’t know that Collins will do that, but he’s at least positioned to, based on Reinsdorf’s tremendous respect for his knowledge. To me, that’s a very important qualification.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My concern w/ Collins is how much time will he spend in Chicago
In the past I wouldn’t have cared, but given the issues w/ coaching the last couple seasons, it’d be nice to know there’s going to be oversight
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax ain't getting another job though
After he leaves this one unless he rights this ship….so I really don’t see him quitting on his own terms. He might resign, but that would be JR’s influence if he did.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Jim Paxson left the team after last season….
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he did
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
link?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I heard that he left the org
On ESPN Radio last year….likely Mac, Jurko and Harry….
I know you weren’t specifically asking me for the link though…
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
saw it posted on RealGM awhile back
I’ll try to find it
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toss me a chip, I called it on Jan. 30
Pax has a lot to mope about
Dorf won’t technically fire Pax.
It will be a resignation, which Dorf will reluctantly accept blah blah blah.
So, it’s a combination of Pax getting frustrated, and perhaps eventually realizing that he’s not going to get out of Dorfer what the team needs to succeed, which will bringabout exit. Pax knows that the lux tax and trade opportunites with Hughes etc suck.
But even more important, it’s a downer for Pax to have to face firing of VDN, and contemplate going through that whole coaching hire thing again with Dorfer messing with the process…and by now Pax realizes that he really doesn’t know how to fix team. Got to feel that, at least somewhat, right?
by Cholla on Jan 30, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no cred
Pax has always been a resignation risk.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh that's harsh
Resignation risk yes, but why? Because as stated:
1) He took the team into a corner from which it’s hard to escape, even with Rose lucky draw.
Needing to trade Larry, and Gooden, was because of Wallace etc. Pax really doesn’t see a way out via trades this week. He said before the lux tax was really cramping his trade possibilities.
2) Who after all can work with Dorf? Previous hiring that ended up with VDN just a preview of what’s coming next to replace VDN, and Pax couldn’t take any more.
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so, but Pax also created many of his own problems, too!
I believe the Sun Times article is dead on accurate, yet whether of not Dorf is able to talk Paxson out of quiting is really the question…
Paxson is at his own wits end, and probably can’t take this pressure any longer, plus seeing the public resentment and the public polls calling for his exit. He’s a sensitive man, and his exit or reassignment is soon eminent as Vecsey knows.
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
definitate cookie for you.
good call. slightly forseeable as bull blogger dude said but you did articulate na dalmost as pertinent you not only remembered it but also were diligent enough to go find it. I dig it dude. great call…good post…no slacking on the effort either. i take my hands off to you…yes hands. there will be no escape goating the hats.
by SD20 on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if Paxson stepped down
he doesn’t look happy and he looks mad stressed. If this is true I expect the owner to try and convince him to stay at least until the end of the season.
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell
If he wants to quit, then he should quit now. With the trade deadline coming up, this is the most important time of year for a GM. The Bulls can’t afford to have a GM who’s half-assing it, getting reading to quit. Why should Pax care about improving the team if he’s leaving anyways? Other GM’s around the league are working around the clock right now. If Pax is ready to resign, is he doing that?
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well if Gar Foreman is taking over
then he likely would have a lot of influence in this deadline too. Heck he does already from what the summer told us.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
You can certainly claim that Pax has made some bad moves…. But I don’t see him as the kind of guy to half-ass it and not give a shit.
I think Pax is the kind of guy that will see this through.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't trust this source.
Especially when they don’t know why Doug Collins is not the coach of the Bulls. (Hint-It was not about the money)
But even if Pax were going to leave, it does not make sense for him or the franchise to leave mid-season…unless his health is an issue like Red Kerr.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Woops.
Confirmed by the SunTimes
Though they just used the same crappy New York Post text, with the misspelling of Kaman and all…
I am shocked.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CONFIRMED
Sun Times Brian Hanely confirmed from Bulls
by Jscho316 on Feb 13, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is too good to be true
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, you're a Pax-hater?
It was how he dealt with Khryapa, right?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or was it too good to be true that the Sun-Times confirmed with the proper source?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a hater
Just haven’t had a lot of confidence in Paxson’s decision making.
When he has made a good decision(trading Wallace) it seems that bad decisions are right around the corner where Hughes and Gooden arrived and started playing major minutes right away. The sound decision at that point was to tell Boylan to play his draft picks or to take over the coaching duties himself for the remainder of the season.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax is stepping down Thursday of next week so at the deadline
Not sure yet if it because of fans booing at UC during Red Kerr, if he’s mad at BG turning down big offers, if he’s mad at Vinny, or if its family stuff with his son in marines
by Jscho316 on Feb 13, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad.
He was a good guy who tried to do things right. He treated J Will with respect and didn’t rip him off when he could have, following the accident. I never heard a word of him being less than upfront and honest – with anyone.
He had a mixed record as a GM, no doubt. Goods and bads. It’s just sad to see a good guy, and former sports hero, burn out like this. I’m assuming all of us wish him the best.
Man, am I a softy.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
hey I feel the same way
I don’t mind him quitting per se, but not like this. Not mid-season. Something doesn’t feel right about that. Hope he’s alright, seems like a good guy. Right the ship, Pax!
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
by Othella on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better now than later
if he’s not into it, then just leave.
though he should’ve quit before the season though.
What’s with this organization? Skiles did the same thing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what pisses me off the most
If you aren’t willing to lead, get the hell out of the way for someone who is.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm angry from a hoops perspective, too.
I sounded way too high-road-y in that post. This is just a weird…but so typical…example of Chicago hoops.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't get a pat on the back for not ripping someone off when you have the chance!
I agree that he’s a good guy and I feel pretty bad about that.
On the other hand, I have quite a bit of anger over his bad decisions.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly...
I think you kind of do in the NBA Business world.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Suntimes!
holy jesus.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Vecsey also reported that the Bulls are considering trades involving Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph and Chris Kamen.
O’Neal and Randolph really?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would only look at JON
if it meant adieu to Andres.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or hughes.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the size of his contract, it'd likely have to be both
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then welcome, Mr. Oneal.
I wouldn’t mind a three-big man rotation with JON/T2/Noah. Or, for that matter, JON/Noah/Stat. :)
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid new ESPN
Trade Machine and their anti-linkage possibilities…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. When using it yesterday, they had a "share trade" button...
…that when you clicked on it, it would reload the page with the right URL.
How dumb to launch it a week before the deadline.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
w/ VDN on the chopping block is the 2nd half of the season going to be like last years? I mean I guess it depends on trades/personnel that’s left, but shit, I don’t wanna watch another lame-duck team for 30 games.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do. ;-)
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course I'll watch it
but doesn’t mean I have to like it. And certainly doesn’t mean I have to pay to watch them live.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Confirmed
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much the selection of assistants
is playing into this.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything seen and said publicly and just the way Reinsdorf normally does things
My guess is this is Paxson’s decision and he’s just burned out. I’m sure Reinsdorf wants him to stay.
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not being fired.
so, nothing. Pax likely just quit, because he never really was cut out for this work.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Vescey is back!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait for him to get another one right in the next 2 years before we get too excited
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can the NBA on NBC theme music is back too?
by Jscho316 on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
factoid
I think John Tesh is the composer for that song too.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
I love the video of him performing it live and talking about how he came up with it and leaving himself a voicemail of the beat…check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h7Lm7C9Nk
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well folks,
the possibility of trading players like Luol Deng, Andres Nocioni, and Kirk Hinrich just went up exponentially.
This is crazy speculation, I know – but would it surprise anyone if this was the only way Pax could get himself to finally trade “his core?”
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
heh
it’d be nutty if all of our hyperbole over Pax’s love was true. Like they had a good deal including Hinrich and Noc and Paxson quit out of protest :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm half serious, too.
His noble but outdated visions of loyalty, honesty, and fairness just have not flown. He may blow this thing up in a big way, then ride off into the sunset.
John Paxson: okay GM, awesome cowboy.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this still
conjecture from the same article (Vecsey article) that’s being spread as internet rumours go, or did another writer confirm without citing that one?
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look up
Sun-Times is confirming it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And according to 670 The Score.
Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf is denying it.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I looked down afterwards….I had the link open at work while I was working and was catching up with the z button, so I didn’t see the UPDATE Confirmed when I wrote this)
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh, no problem
I was being strictly informational
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You got rec'd
For this…
John Paxson: okay GM, awesome cowboy.
That sums it up best, he is super honest, loyal, and he always took responsibility for his actions… unfortunately, being a NBA GM involves more than that.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
considering that he's quitting after the deadline,
i don’t have a good feeling about the moves this team’s about to make. Who does well on the last project of a job he’s about to quit?
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
by Othella on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't exactly fill one with confidence, does it.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not excited at all.
I’drather the coach get fired again.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That will almost certainly happen now after the season
No GM is going to keep Vinny around.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
in most circumstances I’d believe you, but if Reinsdorf hires someone to do his bidding, and he doesn’t want to pay a coach not coaching for him, I’m hesitant.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
any move opposite of Pax viewpoint has potential!
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who will Reinsdorf hire?
I’m guessing it will be Collins, since Reinsdorf doesn’t hire people as GM’s that he doesn’t already know. It would be a terrible choice, but no outside GM with a decent reputation would ever put up with Reinsdorf’s shit. We saw how D’Antoni reacted after meeting with Reinsdorf – by immediately taking the Knicks’ offer.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
I am totally worried that it’ll be a disaster.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Scottie Pippen campaigning for the job
I’m sure he’d do a brilliant job managing the team’s finances.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibition games
in Finland? How about over the All-Star break.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very very worried that would be a disaster
especially if he coaches too.
by reprisal on Feb 13, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Kenny Williams know anything about Basketball?
The Chairman makes good decisions on the baseball side. Can we get a little of that on the basketball side?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets not open that line of thinking.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reinsdorf has a heavy hand and it seems he...
…basically forced Paxson into certain moves (Ben Wallace signing, the non-hire of D’antoni, etc…). Maybe Paxson feels castrated by Reinsdorf and has had enough. If indeed he does step down though, it is certainly the end of Vinnie Del Negro.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First big good news all season
My question a why is he waiting to after the deadline, will their be trade and how soon will Vdn be fired and who are they going to bringing in.
by chi on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong to be pretty angry about this?
Pax freaking quit on this franchise. And worse, he probably did it months ago. The head of Bulls basketball operations was too stressed out to run a basketball team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Not wrong at all.
He’s been MIA all yea besides a few quotes for reporters and the recent trade workings. I’m most mad that Rose has been exposed to this in his first year in the NBA.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
someone think of the children!
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by chowder on Feb 13, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd want to know the circumstances first
If he quit because of some circumstances we don’t know about (family/health issues, etc.), that’s one thing. But if he just quit because he doesn’t like the job . . . well, fuck you Pax.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even if it was a family issue
it better have just happened. I don’t want to hear it was because his son joined the marines 2 years ago (or whatever).
Basically, I’m fine with him feeling he has to quit, I’m not fine with him waiting around wanting to quit but feeling like he should do the job like he owes reinsdorf (or us)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It also depends on
whether Reinsdorf was an insufferable prick to work for, though, don’t you think?
It’s also not clear whether other owners out there would be any different, but if so, you don’t see it reported that way. For example, you don’t hear rumors of meddling by the owners of the Pistons or Spurs, do you?
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by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JR PRICK
I would think that his hands are tied. He didn’t want Ben Wallace, and doesn’t agree with the trade that is coming. Im scared.
How is he quitting or not cut out for the job if the person who hired him for the job isn’t allowing him to actually do it?
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man up, stick to your guns do things your way and make the chairman fire you
don’t punk out out the franchise and quit.
by Ibleedbullsred on Feb 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he could wait to be fired, or he could fire the organization
by quitting.
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by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your comment is exactly correct....
this ends all excuses, and puts a persons destiny in their own hands!
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to be angry,
because a former hero kinda fallen apart, and publically. Somewhere, Alec is scrambling for his Aristotle to remind us of the definition of tragedy.
But thinking purely about the team – hell no, it’s not wrong. It means the guy making our decisions right now – at the biggest opportunity for positive change in a decade – has mentally checked out.
More than that: what does this do to our negotiating leverage, when Kerr knows that John’s moves don’t have repercussions for him? More than that: why did this have to come out now?
This just gets weirder and weirder.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He probably did it months ago."
I don’t think Pax did any less than his best over the past few months. I’m sure he’s been working just as hard as ever, and that he’s always cared about the future of the organization. In fact, I’m guessing it’s the fact that he cares so much that’s leading him to run away (“too stressed out”). By definition, a guy who “quits on a franchise” isn’t that stressed out.
by arjoseph on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not wrong at all, I had some love for pax but now that he is quitting mid season.
I think that is a coward move.
by Ibleedbullsred on Feb 13, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta think that
it may even happen before the trade deadline now. You can’t sit on this type of information. He’s gonna get killed over the next few days. People will realize that he reached this decsion way before today. Not a good look.
Take your books and go home Pax!
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
heh
If Paxson indeed intends to quit, he needs to be removed today. Right now. Immediately. Better for the Bulls t make no player moves than to allow a short-timer to add to his list of bad player moves.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reinsdorf is denying
saying Vecesey is not reliable enough of a source to comment on.
by Devin47 on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
where?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it was on Waddle- Silvy on ESPN 1k
N/T.
by Devin47 on Feb 13, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on...damn you Vescey!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not just him now
The Sun-Times confirmed it, and just heard on 670AM and they’re using Hanley as their source.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But the question is: does he pull the trade and quit or just quit?
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll wait til Deadspin gets ahold of it
Paxson + Dick joke = gold Jerry! Gold!
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's on SportsCenter countdown think, too.
“Bulls GM to resign”
damn you people for having me watch ESPN.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a "no, John Paxson is not resigning"
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he knew Pax was going after the deadline
Wouldnt he just annouce now, as he cant effectively do his job now?
by Devin47 on Feb 13, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if he wants to try to talk Pax out of quitting
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS SOOOOOOO CHICAGO BULLS BASKETBALL!!!!
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
indeed
we suck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This really pains me on a personal level
But in the abstract, it’s fascinating to see a mult-million dollar organization run like a neighborhood lemonade stand.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be worried about this deadline
if Pax is quitting, it’s not a secret to the Bulls. They’re likely making decisions as a ‘team’ (Foreman, Mandel, Reinsdorf, etc) with Pax providing input.
It’s not like he’s going to do something outside of normal because he’s wuitting soon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's a big problem
It’s a lot harder for a “team” of three people to make a decision than it is for one person. I don’t think the Suns are going to sit around waiting for three people to make a decision before they move Stoudemire.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well it's less of a problem
than Paxson going on tilt before he quits, was my point.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing most of the negotiation is done at this point.
Pax has been working the trade front for a month, at least. He obviously has some type of understanding with Larry that he’ll get shipped, and since the beginning of the season he’s been concerned with our personnel. We have offers out to people and have for a while. At this point, it’s just fine tuning and waiting for other teams to decide.
by arjoseph on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...OR
Could well be that Pax really doesn’t want to make the trade(s) that Gorman/Dorf want him to. Wild guess, but I’m thinking Pax doesn’t want to bring in “not his kind of player” Amare…and lose his draft pick especiale T2.
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but it was never just one person making the decision in the Bull’s organization. They’ve always had the too-many-cooks-in-the-kitchen problem.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 13, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's true
it just sucks though. It just makes this organization really look as incompetant as it really is. A GM who quits at the trade deadline…mid-season…while in amongst talks for a HUGE deal?? That’s insane.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what "wuitting" is, but it certainly seems appropriate.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am furious that Pax is quitting on us
But at the same time, I’m really happy that he’ll be gone.
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by ChiFan13 on Feb 13, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sadly
given that their GM quit midseason, their coaching hire process…it’s entirely possible the Bulls hire a complete disaster. Paxson at least wasn’t that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not that Paxson should get a pass
simply because the organization can do worse.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerr's about due for a firing out west...
how about another ex-player comes and runs things?
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you liked what he did in Phoenix?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh god no.
Sarcasm, all sarcasm.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Kerr trades Amare…to himself!
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
HA!
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm worried about
after del negro, i’m not confident they’ll get anyone good.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't follow the Bulls as closely as the Bears
…but I remember there was some talk of Tom Thibodeau during the last coaching search. Any chance or just another pipe dream?
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by ChiFan13 on Feb 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think there's definitely a chance.
He’s still an associate head coach, and many, many think he’s absolutely due for a head coaching gig
otoh, if boston wins again, he’ll get a good price. and we all know that’s a factor for reinsdorf
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In other words,
Doug Collins will become the Mike Shanahan of the NBA as a GM/Coach?
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by ChiFan13 on Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh god, i dont know.
that’s a scary thought.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but you're right, MONEY SAVER!!!
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
weren't they already saving money
with Pax as a VP of Basketball Operations so they didnt’ need to hire a GM?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure, but aren't very few NBA GM's technically called...
…“General Managers”. I thought I read that somewhere.
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by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Shanahan command to dollar?
He did get hired to perform both roles, but I was certain the Broncos paid him accordingly and extended him a few times before firing him and tearing up about it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not 100% certain
but yeah, that was my feeling.
However, one can never underestimate Reinsdorf low-balling a GM/Coach.
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by ChiFan13 on Feb 13, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trending weirder and weirder
Say we go back to post last championship….I’d say there’s been an awful lot of weird stuff going down under Bulls banner off the court. Krause did a LOT of really weird stuff there before….did he resign? Floyd, Curry/Chandler Brand…then we got Pax and Skiles…one of the weirder coaches in the NBA…and there was more strange stuff with Curry and Chandler…then they couldn’t sign Deng/BG…uh, then there was the Wallace fiasco…then uh Skiles….did he resign? and Boyle….not sure if he actually managed to get fired… while two very strange near hires took place with D’antoni/Collins…and the summer was supposed to get Deng/BG hired and Hinrich traded for a big man…and we know how that turned out…so yeah, things are either staying the same in weirdness, or possibly getting even weirder. You make the call.
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok Derrick
Everything that happened so far this season…forget about it! We promise soon there’ll be a real, functioning NBA team running within these walls…seriously!
- Jerry Reinsdorf
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I woke up to noises in the distance on the radio
saying: “we’re trying to confirm…. no word yet from Jerry Reinsdorf…” and I jumped up thinking Amare was a Bull. Now this is truly odd and disappointing. Our gm’s can’t even resign properly.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know Juice. I jus theard it on the radio too...WOW
by Dils on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We shouldn't feel so bad though because I'm sure KC found out the same way
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I night?
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol. This is the best news I've heard all season
by Blacknight23 on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he's quitting preemptively because he knows he won't be able to do shit at the deadline
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reinsdorf comments
David Schuster – just heard the first press release from Jerry, " Jerry didn’t deny the story he just took shots at Vescey for leaking it early."
by Jscho316 on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's our Reinsdorf
I’m sure he was ‘disappointed’ in Vescey.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
JR's favorite response
is the imperial shaming. I’m just glad I’m not his grandkid.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do any of you think this has to do with the owner
Maybe Paxson has been trying to make moves and the owner has been holding him back just as he has with D’Antoni.
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't the other owners/gms leak some of this information?
If Pax is trying to make deals and can never get approval the other sides of those pending transaction ought to be able to figure this out.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Memphis
complained when they couldn’t work out a deal for Gasol.
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
During Red Kerrs
Ceremony Jordan was whispering in Jerry’s ear………..
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
Pax had a good cry (as Matt would say) after he got booed at Red’s ceremony the other day. That was the clincher.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he did look odd since he was so genuinely happy at that ceremony.
I’m sure it was because he was just happy for Kerr, but also, I’m wondering if he already knew and was expressing relief.
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by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he HAD to have known
Pax did not wake up today and said “I’m going to resign”. It doesn’t work like that.
That’s what’s so messed up about this. He’s probably known for weeks now.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's likely more fit for that role
“ambassador”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This what happens when Vinny starts thinking in the last 4 seconds of a big game, people resign
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he saw Vinny keep Rose on the bench at the end last night and had enough
“God, how could I have hired this idiot? I can’t take this anymore, I quit.”
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heads up people, they're having a rookie/soph game practice on NBA TV in 10 minutes
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not sure, doubt it though...
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Game is tonight at 9EST, I think.
I kinda hope they just rest Derrick. Couple awesome plays, then let him relax.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what are the options people can immediately come up with?
Both the unrealistic but idealistic…
and the practical and probably…craptical.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What about BJ?
I can’t say he’s interested. Since getting passed over by the Chairman to hire Paxson he’s finished law school and now is a player agent. He seems well on his way with Wasserman Media Group with his representation of Derrick Rose.
However, I see that BJ was fired by Anthony Randolph. Randolph just hired Bill Duffy to represent him.
Jason Levien was hired as assistant GM in Sacramento a few months ago so I guess he’s left the player representation side of the business. He is/was Deng’s agent.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Chris Webber said on NBATV that he wants to be a GM!
::weeps::
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A GM of what?
because it definitely wouldn’t be a pro ball team
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec to that.
But I wouldn’t eat there.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well his experience is not to much different from Paxson when he was first hired...
or VDN when he became an Asst GM, without even ever coaching a little league game?
Yet there is one notable difference between Webber and those two….
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god...
better than a coach I guess, there’d have to be a big jumbotron listing the team’s timeouts if that were ever the case.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
That never gets old for Michigan haters.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Webber & Vinny
Can you imagine the closing seconds game management between them too…
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who else I would go after
Call me crazy but I think he would be a great GM……
Bob Knight
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can I call you an idiot instead?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I hate Bob Knight, not you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's okay
I know it’s a crazy idea but he is friends with Bill Parcell and look at what Parcel did with the Dolphins.
Knight does have a great basketball mind even though he is nuts.
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez...
By that logic, shouldn’t we hire Bill Parcell’s wife? I mean, she’s really close to Bill Parcell’s and look at what he did with the Dolphins…
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure and we could hire his cousin too
Not that he’s just his friend but that they share the same business philosphy’s. There’s a group of coaches that span over multiple genres that get together and talk about coaching and their sports. You get around a certain group of people who are actually giving you wisdom then your mind and philosphy’s grow.
by J Theory on Feb 13, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because Knight is a miserable excuse for a human being
and an angry and out of control bully, you hate him?
16 “F-Bombs” in a 1:16 segment of half-time
Temper tantrum in the TV studio
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for pro players?
Doubtful.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he goes for really saving money
and just has Vinny do both. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 13, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny is so gone, if this is true
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
It’s time for a clean slate. GM, players, coaches. Start with Rose and go from there.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Owners?
I’d like a new one.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not now
but end of the season for sure.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pax leaves, everyone knows VDN is a goner. Not that he was some huge inspiration to the team, but as we’ve seen, teams with lame duck coaches do not perform well. Pax’s white flag gives everyone a reason to quit. Why wouldn’t Pax just quit after the season?
by Stay Chisel on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Vinny but the WHOLE DAMN THING!
New GM will bring a new philosophy. I am sure that JR will want a GM who will put a team together around ROSE.
by Bart71 on Feb 13, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
Vinny is much more qualified for GM…. not saying he would be good, just more qualified.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking quitter
Nobody ever heard this talk about Pax being unhappy when the Bulls were winning. He put together a shitty team, and he has no clue how to fix it. Le’s just be honest here.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
to be fair, I'd rather not have the guy that put together this epic fail of a team
be the guy trying to rebuild its next incarnation. Just fuckin’ hire someone from the Spurs organization.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Reinsdorf won't do that
He’ll hire Doug Collins or someone else with some connection to the Bulls. He doesn’t hire people he doesn’t know as GM’s.
Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know... ideally he'd sell the damn team. Damn it.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that was my first reaction
I’ll likely soften it. But I’m pretty pissed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So essentially winning makes a lot of problems go away? Brilliant!
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by bullhockey on Feb 13, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Theory.
John Paxson is quitting because of Reinsdorf and his continued interference in the running of the team…Which has basically handcuffed Paxson and his vision of the team. The timing of the news makes me think Paxson had a deal on the table for someone and Reinsdorf said no, I want someone else…We saw this previously with Mike D’Antoni when Paxson was ready to pull the trigger and Reinsdorf hesitated, and the Bulls lost D’Antoni…
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by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Would not be suprised, sounds like something that could happen
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more.
I was just going to write something similar and couldn’t have said ti better. Reinsdorf interferes way to much.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh, it's certainly reasonable speculation
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or JR
orgestrated a trade for Kirk or Deng or any other untouchable in Paxson’s eyes. Paxson says you do that and I will quit.
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Pax was pissed because Reinsdorf wanted to trade Aaron gray
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation
Maybe Sarver & Jerry finalized a bad offer.
Maybe Kirk & Deng to Portland.
I can’t wait to see John’s side.
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more speculation
Thomas + Noah for Amare?
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't see Paxson quitting over that.
Not unless there was an inclination to do so already. But maybe he really did start to value one or both of them lately.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, this has seriously negative implications regarding the upcoming deadline
Would not be suprised if have the same exact team come Friday
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't understand
is that he lets Kenny Williams do wahtever he wants with the White Sox and with Paxson it seems like nothing happens until Jerry looks it over and by the time that happens the deal is dead.
by PricanStar on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because the Bulls are just a vehicle for making money. he actually likes baseball so he lets
Williams do his job.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not only that,
Kenny did win a championship.
by PricanStar on Feb 13, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny won as an Executive, Paxson won as a role player and reserve..
equavlent to Uribe being on a championship team…
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's the whole problem with this team.
I’m just so sick of it. JR doesn’t deserve us.
by smash! on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he is happy with Ozzie!
This part I don’t get. Ozzie is seemingly so non Dorf in his approach!
Is there a secret yearning for a wild man to take over for Bulls too?
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie won him a championship
IN HIS FAVORITE SPORT!
Big defference
by Option27 on Feb 13, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Jackson had the same "non Dorf" attitude...
Paxson is the opposite, a “yes” “pro Dorf” man and now he decides to be frustrated at his own "YES"es!
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true,
it hurts. Can someone verify this: aren’t the Bulls the most profitable team in the NBA?
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes but what does that have to do with
the chairman interfering with Pax?
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isee the chairman, in these cash strapped times,
wanting to take on more $$$ in Stat, especially when we’re giving away young cheap players and expirings to get him. It’s been in the back of my
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pardon,
“I don’t see”
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
Now I see what your talking about. Yeah the Chairman is a cheap ass.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't clear in what I wrote.
If it’s true, I hope we find out about it. Pax needs to step up for the fans and say “look, guys, I got you DAntoni ;he wouldn’t pay. I wanted BG; he wouldn’t pay. I got you Stat; he wouldn’t pay. Now you know where you stand.”
I don’t see that happening, though. Pax has always been first in line to fall on his own sword.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Pax is too good a guy to come out with that...
but I don’t doubt for one min that it’s all true. You can throw in, I didn’t want Ben Wallace, JR did. etc
by smash! on Feb 13, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He will drown his sorrows in a bottle of Chairman approved Scotch before he would bad mouth anyone.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
damn good point…didn’t even cross my mind, but it makes perfect sense.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but Reinsdorf’s influence is also how Paxson was hired (with no experience) and how he had a lifetime contract.
Which is why, if this was true, unfortunately we’d never hear it. I’d like to.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If so
WE NEED THIS ON THE RECORD.
Fans need to know if the owner is running the show. It’s going to impact our ability to attract free agents. There’s miniscule chances we’ll ever get good solely through the draft.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do the fans need to know and how are they going to attract free agents?
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So we don't set Barabas free
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez, you've really lost it this week
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by snley on Feb 13, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lighten up Francis
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
always enjoy a good Stripes quote
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
per Mark Cuban
most owners run the show.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I just posted virtually the same theory.
totally agree
by smash! on Feb 13, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I wanted a trade. Now we get a resigning GM that will be substituted by… what’s the name of the guy again?… man I hope he has balls
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 13, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I live in Central Florida
and I get tickets for the Bulls vs Magic every year after the trade deadline, so I hope we can get someone significant so I am not disappointed like last year.
by PricanStar on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What Great News
Paxson failed us as a GM, now it’s time to erase the Paxson era and begin to build a team around Rose. Wasn’t that the point of this season after he won the lottery? Not to make the playoffs, to see who fits well with D Rose and at the break it’s clear who that is. So Deng, Kirk, Nocs, Gooden, Hughes are gone in my opinion. Paxson wasn’t going to deal Deng or Kirk maybe this is the impact trade that was reported out of Portland. Maybe Reinsdorf wanted to move Kirk and Deng before the deadline for cap relief and Paxson knew that would fall back on him. After the Booing at the Kerr tribute, the horrible season, his past of not pulling the trigger and the feeling he wasn’t going to do it again this year. He probably had enough and wanted to go. So peace Pax, good player, awful Gm. I’m excited … these next 6 days should be exciting!!!! Can’t wait until the offseason.
by Bullsfanla on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"erase the Paxon era"? A bit harsh? You want to expunge 3 years in the playoffs?
The era to erase is the post-Jackson Krause era. Don’t forget how bad things were when JR hired Pax. Pax had a great start-up plan with hiring Skiles and acquiring the players he did. And he was not afraid to make moves with Krause’s players. His teams made the playoffs 3 straight seasons as a young team, and it was a vast improvement over what transpired before he took the GM job.
That said, it is time for him to go. His plan was a great start-up, but he never followed through on the continuation step – trade the good pieces for a great piece. Maybe it was Pax-love, maybe it was JR who had silly-love for the players. Either way, Pax was never able to take the next step to make the Bulls a contender.
And truly the first sign of the apocalypse was the Nocioni contract.
So it’s time for him to be done, but “erasing the Paxosn era” is an overreaction.
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