(UPDATE: CONFIRMED) REPORT: Paxson to resign after trade deadline passes?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 1:24 PM CST
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PrintUPDATE4: McGraw again, saying this whole story is "a colossal false alarm". I get that if it's just Vescey. But McGraw's 'competitor' on the beat, Brian Hanley of the Sun-Times, has some serious explaining to do. That's what made this an 'alarm', not Vescey's "I don't know it to be fact yet" story.
UPDATE3: tipped from 670AM: David Aldridge is citing health concerns in Pax's resignation. It reads to be more 'stress' than a serious ailment. -ed
UPDATE2: Mike McGraw's sources say it's "the farthest thing from the truth", and dispute the Sun-Times confirmation. Reinsdorf has also issued an official denial, with a shot at Vescey of course. -ed
UPDATE: The Sun Times confirms this story. -ed
[From the Fanposts. It's Vescey, but you never know. I always believe the 'Pax quits' reports before the 'Pax is fired' ones -ed.]
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday's trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades - Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O'Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen - in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn't be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn't agree on money last May.
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Should have been a fanshot.
This said, stuff posted on Cnnsi truth and rumors is rarely true in the end.
The Game chose him !
The source for this is Vecsey
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday’s trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades – Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen – in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn’t be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn’t agree on money last May.
What the shit? Aside from the fact I mentioned the possibility of Collins a while back, I find it pretty unlikely that he’d stay one one more week, make huge deals, or not, to change the course of things, and then leave or be fired. Unless, I guess, they’re doing something he strongly disagrees with and just want to make him a patsy.
I dunno… I’m not surprised he might resign since he hasn’t looked like he enjoyed his job in two years, but the timing is very odd. So I’m chalking it up to BS at the moment.
Screwed up the blockquote there, should be
Do I know this to be fact? No. But two people in the know maintain John Paxson will resign as Bulls GM soon after Thursday’s trade deadline expires. Assistant GM Gar Foreman is expected to take over for the remainder of the season.
Chicago is contemplating numerous trades – Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph, Chris Kamen – in an effort to acquire an inside threat offensively and defensively, and, at the same time, deport Larry Hughes.
One of the above sources said he wouldn’t be surprised if Doug Collins were approached again at the season regarding the coaching job (currently held by Vinny Del Negro) and as GM, or both. Collins and managing partner Jerry Reinsdorf couldn’t agree on money last May.
Back in the NBA on NBC days, Peter Vecsey was the go to guy for basketball news.
This time though I think i’ll just wait till Feb 20th and see for myself. Funny though because I haven’t heard any unusual rumblings about this. You always hear something when chatting the fellas up, but nothing unusual has been said. I’ll be in Phoenix this weekend though so I’ll keep my ears open.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not Bulls players...
…but I have a few friends who have been in the league a while, some who are recently retired (and one who needs to retire…LOL), and a few who have been retired a few years now. I’d also count among my friends a member of the Bulls coaching staff (Pete Myers). I talk with them all on a fairly regularly basis seeing as though I pretty much grew up with them and played ball with them (I’m in my early 30s), but I don’t glean any insider information from them other than players opinions about other players throughout the league. This Paxson thing, I know nothing about and rightfully so. If Pete knows anything about it he wouldn’t be telling me anyway. Because he knows I post on here and other sites at times, he doesn’t share many of his personal opinions with me in regards to the team…and understandably so. So I have no more of an idea if this is really true than any of you. If anyone here knows any of the current Bulls players then they’d likely know. I believe that I recall YourFriendlyBullsBlogger saying he had a bit of insider Bulls info. He’d know much better than I would what’s going on with the team.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
a very very very small bit
less than you knowing Pete Myers, I’ll tell you that…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I had lunch with Aaron Gray once!!!!
he doesn’t tell me shit…. he doesn’t call…. he doesn’t write….
Does that count as more insider info than you Matt?
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be scared he would eat me too.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Actually...
He was super nice. That’s why I’ve defended him so much, I was having lunch with Aaron’s brother on the day of Aaron’s exit interview with Paxon at the end of last year. And Aaron came right after the interview.
I didn’t want to pry, so I didn’t ask him anything to in depth about the team, but he knew I was a big Bulls fan, and he offered to give me tickets pretty much whenever I wanted.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
I'm not sure how seriously I can take this
considering Vecsey couldn’t spell “Kaman” correctly. That said, I hope we don’t get Randolph or Kaman while Pax escapes out the back door.
Randolph....HELL NO!!
In all honesty though, I’d rather have Kaman than Brad Miller. It’ll be interesting to see what’s going to happen though. Honestly, although I disagree with some of his decisions, I don’t despise Paxson. I don’t think he is a terrible GM, but I do think he’s having trouble adapting and overcoming. The organizational philosophy is too conservative compared to that of many teams around the league and a lot of players have been turned off to Chicago for that reason and that’s a shame ’cause Chicago is a market that has it all!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I would think it’s BS. I think the Reinsdorf vote of confidence is enough. Plus Pax looked very cheery during the Red ceremony (And if he was contemplating resigning 2 weeks later, I doubt he’d be as legitimately cheerful).
It’s strange. I’m pissed at Pax for what this team has become, and was gunning hard for him leaving 2 months ago, but if it does I’ll be oddly upset….I was a HUGE Paxson fan as a kid during the first 3 peat…..it’ll be sad for him to be ousted because he’s done a horrible job to tarnish his Chicago rep. I’d rather see him right the ship and then leave……
But oh well, if he doesn’t do anything during this trade deadline, doesn’t do ANYTHING AT ALL, I want him so far away from this team.
I don’t care exactly if we don’t get Amar’e (I’d like it if we did), but if we still have Larry on the team and no change whatsoever, I’ll be beyond pissed.
That's kind of how I feel.
I get mad a Paxson, then I see him draining all those big jump shots in game 5 of that series against the Lakers in 1991, followed by the trey on the pass from Horace Grant to seal title number 3 for us against Phoenix (ahhh the good old days).
Then I immediately think of the Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon backcourt and I cringe…and get mad all over again…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Wow...ok
That would be odd if it happened. Why would he pick after the all-star break to resign? Why not the end of the season?
This is just strange. I can’t believe any of this for right now. Peter Vecsey hasn’t been right in like 2 years.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
LOL...you're right about Vecsey.
Sitting there with that smug look on his face….being wrong time and time again. Then when he finally gets one right he acts like he’s vindicated…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming it's so the organization
can continue negotiating the ‘rumored’ trades that are currently being reported. I’d imagine it’d be difficult to have a new GM just “step-into” trade talks with another GM after there had been weeks/months of ongoing dialogue with the former GM.
by Starred4Life on Feb 13, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
meh... what is there to do for a GM after the trade deadline, before the end of the season?
at least they can try out For#*%(an as a replacement just like last year!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
K.C is a horrible writer who doesn’t know shit. Any of us could do a better job than he does. Man knows nothing about basketball.
by C Smoove on Feb 13, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tell us how you really feel...
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like Pax may be sick of the overzealous owner routine.
Fan speculation on here is that he was overruled when they brought in Wallace, overruled when they didn’t bring in D’Antoni. And Reinsdorf’s cryptic statement that the disappointing season is anyone’s fault but Paxson makes it seem like he’s not being fired.
Pax might just feel like he’s being neutered by the owner, and I see him as a guy who has too much pride to just sit there and collect a paycheck for being a yes-man whose thoughts or analysis is ignored.
Funny thought, though, is how this will shake out for Jim Paxson, architect of one of the worst moves in NBA general manager history, with letting Boozer walk. He seems like he’s only on the Bulls staff because John is the GM. I can see him walking into Reinsdorf’s office and beginning to open his mouth to talk, and Reinsdorf shouting “NO!” at anything he says.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
LOL at the Jim Pax stuff
I have to think if this comes to pass, it’ll be pretty mutual. If I were Pax, I’d have reason to be pissed at Reinsdorf. And vice versa.
I still think Doug Collins seems like a reasonable GM prospect.
reasonable in that he'd be hired? or actually good?
too weepy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
As a GM though, he'd be more removed from the immediate passions of being in the games.
And if you take that away, he’s a prety smart dude who seems to know everything about the NBA.
Couple that with tightness with Reinsdorf, and he’s qualified. Tightness with Reinsdorf is important, because if part of the issue is that Reinsdorf is too prone to inserting himself into the decision-making process (process!), then the GM has to be someone with both a fairly similar vision and (possibly unlike Paxson) the stature in Reinsdorf’s eyes to steer him when he needs to be steered.
I don’t know that Collins will do that, but he’s at least positioned to, based on Reinsdorf’s tremendous respect for his knowledge. To me, that’s a very important qualification.
My concern w/ Collins is how much time will he spend in Chicago
In the past I wouldn’t have cared, but given the issues w/ coaching the last couple seasons, it’d be nice to know there’s going to be oversight
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Pax ain't getting another job though
After he leaves this one unless he rights this ship….so I really don’t see him quitting on his own terms. He might resign, but that would be JR’s influence if he did.
link?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
I thought I heard that he left the org
On ESPN Radio last year….likely Mac, Jurko and Harry….
I know you weren’t specifically asking me for the link though…
Toss me a chip, I called it on Jan. 30
Pax has a lot to mope about
Dorf won’t technically fire Pax.
It will be a resignation, which Dorf will reluctantly accept blah blah blah.
So, it’s a combination of Pax getting frustrated, and perhaps eventually realizing that he’s not going to get out of Dorfer what the team needs to succeed, which will bringabout exit. Pax knows that the lux tax and trade opportunites with Hughes etc suck.
But even more important, it’s a downer for Pax to have to face firing of VDN, and contemplate going through that whole coaching hire thing again with Dorfer messing with the process…and by now Pax realizes that he really doesn’t know how to fix team. Got to feel that, at least somewhat, right?
by Cholla on Jan 30, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no cred
Pax has always been a resignation risk.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
oh that's harsh
Resignation risk yes, but why? Because as stated:
1) He took the team into a corner from which it’s hard to escape, even with Rose lucky draw.
Needing to trade Larry, and Gooden, was because of Wallace etc. Pax really doesn’t see a way out via trades this week. He said before the lux tax was really cramping his trade possibilities.
2) Who after all can work with Dorf? Previous hiring that ended up with VDN just a preview of what’s coming next to replace VDN, and Pax couldn’t take any more.
maybe so, but Pax also created many of his own problems, too!
I believe the Sun Times article is dead on accurate, yet whether of not Dorf is able to talk Paxson out of quiting is really the question…
Paxson is at his own wits end, and probably can’t take this pressure any longer, plus seeing the public resentment and the public polls calling for his exit. He’s a sensitive man, and his exit or reassignment is soon eminent as Vecsey knows.
man up!
definitate cookie for you.
good call. slightly forseeable as bull blogger dude said but you did articulate na dalmost as pertinent you not only remembered it but also were diligent enough to go find it. I dig it dude. great call…good post…no slacking on the effort either. i take my hands off to you…yes hands. there will be no escape goating the hats.
I wouldn't be surprised if Paxson stepped down
he doesn’t look happy and he looks mad stressed. If this is true I expect the owner to try and convince him to stay at least until the end of the season.
What the hell
If he wants to quit, then he should quit now. With the trade deadline coming up, this is the most important time of year for a GM. The Bulls can’t afford to have a GM who’s half-assing it, getting reading to quit. Why should Pax care about improving the team if he’s leaving anyways? Other GM’s around the league are working around the clock right now. If Pax is ready to resign, is he doing that?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
well if Gar Foreman is taking over
then he likely would have a lot of influence in this deadline too. Heck he does already from what the summer told us.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly...
You can certainly claim that Pax has made some bad moves…. But I don’t see him as the kind of guy to half-ass it and not give a shit.
I think Pax is the kind of guy that will see this through.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't trust this source.
Especially when they don’t know why Doug Collins is not the coach of the Bulls. (Hint-It was not about the money)
But even if Pax were going to leave, it does not make sense for him or the franchise to leave mid-season…unless his health is an issue like Red Kerr.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
This is too good to be true
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, you're a Pax-hater?
It was how he dealt with Khryapa, right?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Or was it too good to be true that the Sun-Times confirmed with the proper source?
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Not a hater
Just haven’t had a lot of confidence in Paxson’s decision making.
When he has made a good decision(trading Wallace) it seems that bad decisions are right around the corner where Hughes and Gooden arrived and started playing major minutes right away. The sound decision at that point was to tell Boylan to play his draft picks or to take over the coaching duties himself for the remainder of the season.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Pax is stepping down Thursday of next week so at the deadline
Not sure yet if it because of fans booing at UC during Red Kerr, if he’s mad at BG turning down big offers, if he’s mad at Vinny, or if its family stuff with his son in marines
I'm sad.
He was a good guy who tried to do things right. He treated J Will with respect and didn’t rip him off when he could have, following the accident. I never heard a word of him being less than upfront and honest – with anyone.
He had a mixed record as a GM, no doubt. Goods and bads. It’s just sad to see a good guy, and former sports hero, burn out like this. I’m assuming all of us wish him the best.
Man, am I a softy.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
hey I feel the same way
I don’t mind him quitting per se, but not like this. Not mid-season. Something doesn’t feel right about that. Hope he’s alright, seems like a good guy. Right the ship, Pax!
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
better now than later
if he’s not into it, then just leave.
though he should’ve quit before the season though.
What’s with this organization? Skiles did the same thing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
That's what pisses me off the most
If you aren’t willing to lead, get the hell out of the way for someone who is.
I'm angry from a hoops perspective, too.
I sounded way too high-road-y in that post. This is just a weird…but so typical…example of Chicago hoops.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
You don't get a pat on the back for not ripping someone off when you have the chance!
I agree that he’s a good guy and I feel pretty bad about that.
On the other hand, I have quite a bit of anger over his bad decisions.
Sadly...
I think you kind of do in the NBA Business world.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Suntimes!
holy jesus.
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WTF
Vecsey also reported that the Bulls are considering trades involving Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Zach Randolph and Chris Kamen.
O’Neal and Randolph really?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
I would only look at JON
if it meant adieu to Andres.
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or hughes.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Considering the size of his contract, it'd likely have to be both
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Then welcome, Mr. Oneal.
I wouldn’t mind a three-big man rotation with JON/T2/Noah. Or, for that matter, JON/Noah/Stat. :)
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Stupid new ESPN
Trade Machine and their anti-linkage possibilities…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting. When using it yesterday, they had a "share trade" button...
…that when you clicked on it, it would reload the page with the right URL.
How dumb to launch it a week before the deadline.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
So...
w/ VDN on the chopping block is the 2nd half of the season going to be like last years? I mean I guess it depends on trades/personnel that’s left, but shit, I don’t wanna watch another lame-duck team for 30 games.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Well of course I'll watch it
but doesn’t mean I have to like it. And certainly doesn’t mean I have to pay to watch them live.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Confirmed
I wonder how much the selection of assistants
is playing into this.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Everything seen and said publicly and just the way Reinsdorf normally does things
My guess is this is Paxson’s decision and he’s just burned out. I’m sure Reinsdorf wants him to stay.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
he's not being fired.
so, nothing. Pax likely just quit, because he never really was cut out for this work.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
wow
Vescey is back!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Let's wait for him to get another one right in the next 2 years before we get too excited
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
factoid
I think John Tesh is the composer for that song too.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
indeed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yea
I love the video of him performing it live and talking about how he came up with it and leaving himself a voicemail of the beat…check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h7Lm7C9Nk
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Well folks,
the possibility of trading players like Luol Deng, Andres Nocioni, and Kirk Hinrich just went up exponentially.
This is crazy speculation, I know – but would it surprise anyone if this was the only way Pax could get himself to finally trade “his core?”
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heh
it’d be nutty if all of our hyperbole over Pax’s love was true. Like they had a good deal including Hinrich and Noc and Paxson quit out of protest :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I'm half serious, too.
His noble but outdated visions of loyalty, honesty, and fairness just have not flown. He may blow this thing up in a big way, then ride off into the sunset.
John Paxson: okay GM, awesome cowboy.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this still
conjecture from the same article (Vecsey article) that’s being spread as internet rumours go, or did another writer confirm without citing that one?
look up
Sun-Times is confirming it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
And according to 670 The Score.
Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf is denying it.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I looked down afterwards….I had the link open at work while I was working and was catching up with the z button, so I didn’t see the UPDATE Confirmed when I wrote this)
heh, no problem
I was being strictly informational
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
You got rec'd
For this…
John Paxson: okay GM, awesome cowboy.
That sums it up best, he is super honest, loyal, and he always took responsibility for his actions… unfortunately, being a NBA GM involves more than that.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
considering that he's quitting after the deadline,
i don’t have a good feeling about the moves this team’s about to make. Who does well on the last project of a job he’s about to quit?
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
I'm not excited at all.
I’drather the coach get fired again.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
That will almost certainly happen now after the season
No GM is going to keep Vinny around.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I don't know.
in most circumstances I’d believe you, but if Reinsdorf hires someone to do his bidding, and he doesn’t want to pay a coach not coaching for him, I’m hesitant.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Who will Reinsdorf hire?
I’m guessing it will be Collins, since Reinsdorf doesn’t hire people as GM’s that he doesn’t already know. It would be a terrible choice, but no outside GM with a decent reputation would ever put up with Reinsdorf’s shit. We saw how D’Antoni reacted after meeting with Reinsdorf – by immediately taking the Knicks’ offer.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
makes sense
I am totally worried that it’ll be a disaster.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I look forward to Scottie Pippen campaigning for the job
I’m sure he’d do a brilliant job managing the team’s finances.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Exhibition games
in Finland? How about over the All-Star break.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm very very worried that would be a disaster
especially if he coaches too.
Does Kenny Williams know anything about Basketball?
The Chairman makes good decisions on the baseball side. Can we get a little of that on the basketball side?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
lets not open that line of thinking.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reinsdorf has a heavy hand and it seems he...
…basically forced Paxson into certain moves (Ben Wallace signing, the non-hire of D’antoni, etc…). Maybe Paxson feels castrated by Reinsdorf and has had enough. If indeed he does step down though, it is certainly the end of Vinnie Del Negro.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
First big good news all season
My question a why is he waiting to after the deadline, will their be trade and how soon will Vdn be fired and who are they going to bringing in.
Is it wrong to be pretty angry about this?
Pax freaking quit on this franchise. And worse, he probably did it months ago. The head of Bulls basketball operations was too stressed out to run a basketball team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Not wrong at all.
He’s been MIA all yea besides a few quotes for reporters and the recent trade workings. I’m most mad that Rose has been exposed to this in his first year in the NBA.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'd want to know the circumstances first
If he quit because of some circumstances we don’t know about (family/health issues, etc.), that’s one thing. But if he just quit because he doesn’t like the job . . . well, fuck you Pax.
Why resort to name calling?
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even if it was a family issue
it better have just happened. I don’t want to hear it was because his son joined the marines 2 years ago (or whatever).
Basically, I’m fine with him feeling he has to quit, I’m not fine with him waiting around wanting to quit but feeling like he should do the job like he owes reinsdorf (or us)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
It also depends on
whether Reinsdorf was an insufferable prick to work for, though, don’t you think?
It’s also not clear whether other owners out there would be any different, but if so, you don’t see it reported that way. For example, you don’t hear rumors of meddling by the owners of the Pistons or Spurs, do you?
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JR PRICK
I would think that his hands are tied. He didn’t want Ben Wallace, and doesn’t agree with the trade that is coming. Im scared.
How is he quitting or not cut out for the job if the person who hired him for the job isn’t allowing him to actually do it?
Man up, stick to your guns do things your way and make the chairman fire you
don’t punk out out the franchise and quit.
by Ibleedbullsred on Feb 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he could wait to be fired, or he could fire the organization
by quitting.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
your comment is exactly correct....
this ends all excuses, and puts a persons destiny in their own hands!
man up!
It's hard to be angry,
because a former hero kinda fallen apart, and publically. Somewhere, Alec is scrambling for his Aristotle to remind us of the definition of tragedy.
But thinking purely about the team – hell no, it’s not wrong. It means the guy making our decisions right now – at the biggest opportunity for positive change in a decade – has mentally checked out.
More than that: what does this do to our negotiating leverage, when Kerr knows that John’s moves don’t have repercussions for him? More than that: why did this have to come out now?
This just gets weirder and weirder.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
"He probably did it months ago."
I don’t think Pax did any less than his best over the past few months. I’m sure he’s been working just as hard as ever, and that he’s always cared about the future of the organization. In fact, I’m guessing it’s the fact that he cares so much that’s leading him to run away (“too stressed out”). By definition, a guy who “quits on a franchise” isn’t that stressed out.
Not wrong at all, I had some love for pax but now that he is quitting mid season.
I think that is a coward move.
by Ibleedbullsred on Feb 13, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I gotta think that
it may even happen before the trade deadline now. You can’t sit on this type of information. He’s gonna get killed over the next few days. People will realize that he reached this decsion way before today. Not a good look.
Take your books and go home Pax!
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
heh
If Paxson indeed intends to quit, he needs to be removed today. Right now. Immediately. Better for the Bulls t make no player moves than to allow a short-timer to add to his list of bad player moves.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Reinsdorf is denying
saying Vecesey is not reliable enough of a source to comment on.
where?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
thanks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Oh come on...damn you Vescey!
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
not just him now
The Sun-Times confirmed it, and just heard on 670AM and they’re using Hanley as their source.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'll wait til Deadspin gets ahold of it
Paxson + Dick joke = gold Jerry! Gold!
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
It's on SportsCenter countdown think, too.
“Bulls GM to resign”
damn you people for having me watch ESPN.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
That's not a "no, John Paxson is not resigning"
Why resort to name calling?
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-your friendly BullsBlogger
If he knew Pax was going after the deadline
Wouldnt he just annouce now, as he cant effectively do his job now?
Not if he wants to try to talk Pax out of quitting
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
THIS IS SOOOOOOO CHICAGO BULLS BASKETBALL!!!!
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indeed
we suck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
This really pains me on a personal level
But in the abstract, it’s fascinating to see a mult-million dollar organization run like a neighborhood lemonade stand.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be worried about this deadline
if Pax is quitting, it’s not a secret to the Bulls. They’re likely making decisions as a ‘team’ (Foreman, Mandel, Reinsdorf, etc) with Pax providing input.
It’s not like he’s going to do something outside of normal because he’s wuitting soon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's a big problem
It’s a lot harder for a “team” of three people to make a decision than it is for one person. I don’t think the Suns are going to sit around waiting for three people to make a decision before they move Stoudemire.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
well it's less of a problem
than Paxson going on tilt before he quits, was my point.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing most of the negotiation is done at this point.
Pax has been working the trade front for a month, at least. He obviously has some type of understanding with Larry that he’ll get shipped, and since the beginning of the season he’s been concerned with our personnel. We have offers out to people and have for a while. At this point, it’s just fine tuning and waiting for other teams to decide.
Maybe...OR
Could well be that Pax really doesn’t want to make the trade(s) that Gorman/Dorf want him to. Wild guess, but I’m thinking Pax doesn’t want to bring in “not his kind of player” Amare…and lose his draft pick especiale T2.
True
but it was never just one person making the decision in the Bull’s organization. They’ve always had the too-many-cooks-in-the-kitchen problem.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 13, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's true
it just sucks though. It just makes this organization really look as incompetant as it really is. A GM who quits at the trade deadline…mid-season…while in amongst talks for a HUGE deal?? That’s insane.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know what "wuitting" is, but it certainly seems appropriate.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
haha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I am furious that Pax is quitting on us
But at the same time, I’m really happy that he’ll be gone.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
sadly
given that their GM quit midseason, their coaching hire process…it’s entirely possible the Bulls hire a complete disaster. Paxson at least wasn’t that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
not that Paxson should get a pass
simply because the organization can do worse.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Kerr's about due for a firing out west...
how about another ex-player comes and runs things?
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
you liked what he did in Phoenix?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
oh god no.
Sarcasm, all sarcasm.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
LOL!
Kerr trades Amare…to himself!
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
HA!
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
that's what I'm worried about
after del negro, i’m not confident they’ll get anyone good.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Don't follow the Bulls as closely as the Bears
…but I remember there was some talk of Tom Thibodeau during the last coaching search. Any chance or just another pipe dream?
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
Think there's definitely a chance.
He’s still an associate head coach, and many, many think he’s absolutely due for a head coaching gig
otoh, if boston wins again, he’ll get a good price. and we all know that’s a factor for reinsdorf
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
In other words,
Doug Collins will become the Mike Shanahan of the NBA as a GM/Coach?
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
weren't they already saving money
with Pax as a VP of Basketball Operations so they didnt’ need to hire a GM?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure, but aren't very few NBA GM's technically called...
…“General Managers”. I thought I read that somewhere.
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Doesn't Shanahan command to dollar?
He did get hired to perform both roles, but I was certain the Broncos paid him accordingly and extended him a few times before firing him and tearing up about it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Not 100% certain
but yeah, that was my feeling.
However, one can never underestimate Reinsdorf low-balling a GM/Coach.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
Trending weirder and weirder
Say we go back to post last championship….I’d say there’s been an awful lot of weird stuff going down under Bulls banner off the court. Krause did a LOT of really weird stuff there before….did he resign? Floyd, Curry/Chandler Brand…then we got Pax and Skiles…one of the weirder coaches in the NBA…and there was more strange stuff with Curry and Chandler…then they couldn’t sign Deng/BG…uh, then there was the Wallace fiasco…then uh Skiles….did he resign? and Boyle….not sure if he actually managed to get fired… while two very strange near hires took place with D’antoni/Collins…and the summer was supposed to get Deng/BG hired and Hinrich traded for a big man…and we know how that turned out…so yeah, things are either staying the same in weirdness, or possibly getting even weirder. You make the call.
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok Derrick
Everything that happened so far this season…forget about it! We promise soon there’ll be a real, functioning NBA team running within these walls…seriously!
- Jerry Reinsdorf
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Damn, I woke up to noises in the distance on the radio
saying: “we’re trying to confirm…. no word yet from Jerry Reinsdorf…” and I jumped up thinking Amare was a Bull. Now this is truly odd and disappointing. Our gm’s can’t even resign properly.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
We shouldn't feel so bad though because I'm sure KC found out the same way
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I night?
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if he's quitting preemptively because he knows he won't be able to do shit at the deadline
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
Reinsdorf comments
David Schuster – just heard the first press release from Jerry, " Jerry didn’t deny the story he just took shots at Vescey for leaking it early."
that's our Reinsdorf
I’m sure he was ‘disappointed’ in Vescey.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
JR's favorite response
is the imperial shaming. I’m just glad I’m not his grandkid.
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by MPG on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do any of you think this has to do with the owner
Maybe Paxson has been trying to make moves and the owner has been holding him back just as he has with D’Antoni.
Wouldn't the other owners/gms leak some of this information?
If Pax is trying to make deals and can never get approval the other sides of those pending transaction ought to be able to figure this out.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think
Pax had a good cry (as Matt would say) after he got booed at Red’s ceremony the other day. That was the clincher.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Actually, he did look odd since he was so genuinely happy at that ceremony.
I’m sure it was because he was just happy for Kerr, but also, I’m wondering if he already knew and was expressing relief.
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he HAD to have known
Pax did not wake up today and said “I’m going to resign”. It doesn’t work like that.
That’s what’s so messed up about this. He’s probably known for weeks now.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
he's likely more fit for that role
“ambassador”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
This what happens when Vinny starts thinking in the last 4 seconds of a big game, people resign
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
Maybe he saw Vinny keep Rose on the bench at the end last night and had enough
“God, how could I have hired this idiot? I can’t take this anymore, I quit.”
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Heads up people, they're having a rookie/soph game practice on NBA TV in 10 minutes
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
not sure, doubt it though...
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Game is tonight at 9EST, I think.
I kinda hope they just rest Derrick. Couple awesome plays, then let him relax.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
So what are the options people can immediately come up with?
Both the unrealistic but idealistic…
and the practical and probably…craptical.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
What about BJ?
I can’t say he’s interested. Since getting passed over by the Chairman to hire Paxson he’s finished law school and now is a player agent. He seems well on his way with Wasserman Media Group with his representation of Derrick Rose.
However, I see that BJ was fired by Anthony Randolph. Randolph just hired Bill Duffy to represent him.
Jason Levien was hired as assistant GM in Sacramento a few months ago so I guess he’s left the player representation side of the business. He is/was Deng’s agent.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Well, Chris Webber said on NBATV that he wants to be a GM!
::weeps::
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A GM of what?
because it definitely wouldn’t be a pro ball team
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Rec to that.
But I wouldn’t eat there.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
well his experience is not to much different from Paxson when he was first hired...
or VDN when he became an Asst GM, without even ever coaching a little league game?
Yet there is one notable difference between Webber and those two….
man up!
Oh god...
better than a coach I guess, there’d have to be a big jumbotron listing the team’s timeouts if that were ever the case.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
lol
That never gets old for Michigan haters.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Webber & Vinny
Can you imagine the closing seconds game management between them too…
can I call you an idiot instead?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
sorry
I hate Bob Knight, not you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
it's okay
I know it’s a crazy idea but he is friends with Bill Parcell and look at what Parcel did with the Dolphins.
Knight does have a great basketball mind even though he is nuts.
Jeez...
By that logic, shouldn’t we hire Bill Parcell’s wife? I mean, she’s really close to Bill Parcell’s and look at what he did with the Dolphins…
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
sure and we could hire his cousin too
Not that he’s just his friend but that they share the same business philosphy’s. There’s a group of coaches that span over multiple genres that get together and talk about coaching and their sports. You get around a certain group of people who are actually giving you wisdom then your mind and philosphy’s grow.
Just because Knight is a miserable excuse for a human being
and an angry and out of control bully, you hate him?
16 “F-Bombs” in a 1:16 segment of half-time
Temper tantrum in the TV studio
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
for pro players?
Doubtful.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Vinny is so gone, if this is true
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
Good point.
It’s time for a clean slate. GM, players, coaches. Start with Rose and go from there.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Owners?
I’d like a new one.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
not now
but end of the season for sure.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
If Pax leaves, everyone knows VDN is a goner. Not that he was some huge inspiration to the team, but as we’ve seen, teams with lame duck coaches do not perform well. Pax’s white flag gives everyone a reason to quit. Why wouldn’t Pax just quit after the season?
by Stay Chisel on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Not just Vinny but the WHOLE DAMN THING!
New GM will bring a new philosophy. I am sure that JR will want a GM who will put a team together around ROSE.
Honestly...
Vinny is much more qualified for GM…. not saying he would be good, just more qualified.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
What a fucking quitter
Nobody ever heard this talk about Pax being unhappy when the Bulls were winning. He put together a shitty team, and he has no clue how to fix it. Le’s just be honest here.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
to be fair, I'd rather not have the guy that put together this epic fail of a team
be the guy trying to rebuild its next incarnation. Just fuckin’ hire someone from the Spurs organization.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
But Reinsdorf won't do that
He’ll hire Doug Collins or someone else with some connection to the Bulls. He doesn’t hire people he doesn’t know as GM’s.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I know... ideally he'd sell the damn team. Damn it.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
that was my first reaction
I’ll likely soften it. But I’m pretty pissed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So essentially winning makes a lot of problems go away? Brilliant!
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My Theory.
John Paxson is quitting because of Reinsdorf and his continued interference in the running of the team…Which has basically handcuffed Paxson and his vision of the team. The timing of the news makes me think Paxson had a deal on the table for someone and Reinsdorf said no, I want someone else…We saw this previously with Mike D’Antoni when Paxson was ready to pull the trigger and Reinsdorf hesitated, and the Bulls lost D’Antoni…
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by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Would not be suprised, sounds like something that could happen
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
I was just going to write something similar and couldn’t have said ti better. Reinsdorf interferes way to much.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
or JR
orgestrated a trade for Kirk or Deng or any other untouchable in Paxson’s eyes. Paxson says you do that and I will quit.
Speculation
Maybe Sarver & Jerry finalized a bad offer.
Maybe Kirk & Deng to Portland.
I can’t wait to see John’s side.
I couldn't see Paxson quitting over that.
Not unless there was an inclination to do so already. But maybe he really did start to value one or both of them lately.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Also, this has seriously negative implications regarding the upcoming deadline
Would not be suprised if have the same exact team come Friday
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
What I don't understand
is that he lets Kenny Williams do wahtever he wants with the White Sox and with Paxson it seems like nothing happens until Jerry looks it over and by the time that happens the deal is dead.
because the Bulls are just a vehicle for making money. he actually likes baseball so he lets
Williams do his job.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Kenny won as an Executive, Paxson won as a role player and reserve..
equavlent to Uribe being on a championship team…
man up!
and he is happy with Ozzie!
This part I don’t get. Ozzie is seemingly so non Dorf in his approach!
Is there a secret yearning for a wild man to take over for Bulls too?
Phil Jackson had the same "non Dorf" attitude...
Paxson is the opposite, a “yes” “pro Dorf” man and now he decides to be frustrated at his own "YES"es!
man up!
If that's true,
it hurts. Can someone verify this: aren’t the Bulls the most profitable team in the NBA?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
yes but what does that have to do with
the chairman interfering with Pax?
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Isee the chairman, in these cash strapped times,
wanting to take on more $$$ in Stat, especially when we’re giving away young cheap players and expirings to get him. It’s been in the back of my
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
pardon,
“I don’t see”
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Fair enough.
Now I see what your talking about. Yeah the Chairman is a cheap ass.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't clear in what I wrote.
If it’s true, I hope we find out about it. Pax needs to step up for the fans and say “look, guys, I got you DAntoni ;he wouldn’t pay. I wanted BG; he wouldn’t pay. I got you Stat; he wouldn’t pay. Now you know where you stand.”
I don’t see that happening, though. Pax has always been first in line to fall on his own sword.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Yeah, Pax is too good a guy to come out with that...
but I don’t doubt for one min that it’s all true. You can throw in, I didn’t want Ben Wallace, JR did. etc
I agree
He will drown his sorrows in a bottle of Chairman approved Scotch before he would bad mouth anyone.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Great point
damn good point…didn’t even cross my mind, but it makes perfect sense.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
maybe
but Reinsdorf’s influence is also how Paxson was hired (with no experience) and how he had a lifetime contract.
Which is why, if this was true, unfortunately we’d never hear it. I’d like to.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
If so
WE NEED THIS ON THE RECORD.
Fans need to know if the owner is running the show. It’s going to impact our ability to attract free agents. There’s miniscule chances we’ll ever get good solely through the draft.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Why do the fans need to know and how are they going to attract free agents?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
So we don't set Barabas free
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Oh jeez, you've really lost it this week
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
lighten up Francis
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Haha
always enjoy a good Stripes quote
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
per Mark Cuban
most owners run the show.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Damn
I wanted a trade. Now we get a resigning GM that will be substituted by… what’s the name of the guy again?… man I hope he has balls
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 13, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions
I live in Central Florida
and I get tickets for the Bulls vs Magic every year after the trade deadline, so I hope we can get someone significant so I am not disappointed like last year.
What Great News
Paxson failed us as a GM, now it’s time to erase the Paxson era and begin to build a team around Rose. Wasn’t that the point of this season after he won the lottery? Not to make the playoffs, to see who fits well with D Rose and at the break it’s clear who that is. So Deng, Kirk, Nocs, Gooden, Hughes are gone in my opinion. Paxson wasn’t going to deal Deng or Kirk maybe this is the impact trade that was reported out of Portland. Maybe Reinsdorf wanted to move Kirk and Deng before the deadline for cap relief and Paxson knew that would fall back on him. After the Booing at the Kerr tribute, the horrible season, his past of not pulling the trigger and the feeling he wasn’t going to do it again this year. He probably had enough and wanted to go. So peace Pax, good player, awful Gm. I’m excited … these next 6 days should be exciting!!!! Can’t wait until the offseason.
"erase the Paxon era"? A bit harsh? You want to expunge 3 years in the playoffs?
The era to erase is the post-Jackson Krause era. Don’t forget how bad things were when JR hired Pax. Pax had a great start-up plan with hiring Skiles and acquiring the players he did. And he was not afraid to make moves with Krause’s players. His teams made the playoffs 3 straight seasons as a young team, and it was a vast improvement over what transpired before he took the GM job.
That said, it is time for him to go. His plan was a great start-up, but he never followed through on the continuation step – trade the good pieces for a great piece. Maybe it was Pax-love, maybe it was JR who had silly-love for the players. Either way, Pax was never able to take the next step to make the Bulls a contender.
And truly the first sign of the apocalypse was the Nocioni contract.
So it’s time for him to be done, but “erasing the Paxosn era” is an overreaction.
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ESPN just reported that Reinsdorf is disputing the Vescey and Sun Times reports
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions
Did he actually deny the report, or did he just insult Peter Vescey?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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he insulted him and denied the report. didn't mention the Sun Times confirmation though
so he didn’t get to shit on Hanley, too.
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
There's something wrong with the Bulls
…and I don’t think you can blame it on Reinsdorf over-meddling, he doesn’t do it with Kenny Williams and the Sox, and that’s his first love. I just get the sense that Paxson doesn’t * get it *, he’s not a “player” like a GM needs to be. He’s missed SO many wheel and deal opportunities, the kind good GMs LIVE FOR. He just sits there, makes the decisions that come to him and looks good/talks a good game.
Also, what’s with Skiles quitting, Boylan taking over as “extended interim”, the D’Antoni/Collins fiascos, now this leaking, right before the biggest trade deadline arguably in Bulls history, possibly leaving the organization hamstrung, plus no real replacement on horizon…. You just CAN’T do these kinds of things….it’s beyond mismanagement….
Seriously?
You have some bad information. Read the long thread just above, they touch on almost all these topics in that thread.
A good point here
Links you up a few dozen posts
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a horrifying thought
What if Reinsdorf decides to make Vinny the GM too? After all, VDN does have front office experience, and it would be less expensive then hiring a real GM.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I'd feel more comfortable with him there than on the bench
…but I’d feel the best with him working for a new org
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Why? He was just a scout.
Scout =/= GM material
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have enough info to formulate my own opinion on this matter,
but some NBA guys have actually said that Vinny would make a pretty good GM, as he he is said to be a good talent evaluator and knows virtually every single person in the NBA. I remember Wilbon from PTI mentioning that and I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it from other guys as well. Anyhow, it beats having him as a coach.
I hear the same thing.
May be a decent coach someday, but word is he is much better suited for a front office position.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I find it very funny that JR is coming out making all these denials
If it’s not true, then why isn’t Paxson denying anything?
JR RARELY makes any kind of appearances and/or grants interviews…now all of a sudden he’s all over the place denying everything?? That’s just too fishy in itself.
This is TRUE.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Pax better be on the goddamn phone talking trades right now
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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This is too funny.....the damn season is OVER!!
too much damn confusion. I feel for Derrick Rose.
He's a rookie
he doesn’t know what’s going on. Probably just happy to be in the NBA and playing for his home town.
His agent made a big fuss about that:
“A ”http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2009/02/13/20090213spt-suns.html" target="new">place that may be a real good deal for them may not be the best place for us," said Grantham, who is in Phoenix. “In that case, we would not be interested in signing an extension. I would think most teams would not want to rent him for a year and a half. They would want him to sign for more years and know that he’s interested in staying.”
you have no idea what youre talking about
he didnt even want to VISIT miami. after he told reporters he wasnt even gonna go work out for miami, the bulls made him go so that it wasnt so obvious they had already (wink wink) agreed upon drafting him #1.
i'm sure you're kidding
but BJ would have to give up all his clients if that happened
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Amare's agent stated
that he hasn’t been contacted by Pheonix regarding any trade and said that Amare wants to stay in Pheonix and sign an extension and that if they do not involve Amare and his agent in the process they would most likely not sign an extension with any team that he gets traded to and go into free agency.
Hallelujah!
I respect Paxson for doing this. He realizes that he has failed as GM, and that the only person that would end his run at GM is himself. He did that for the Bulls today.
After watching a guy you gave 72 mil for play like crap and watching a coach you hired
not be able to coach, I think Pax just said “ENOUGH”
exactly
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Gar Foreman
negotiated Deng’s deal. The reports indicated Pax was out of the discussions.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think he's finally had enough of Reinsdorf.
I speculate that this is because of SOMETHING that just happened. A trade that JR didn’t approve of. Something of that nature…
Or maybe he just couldn’t bring himself to be the one to trade Kirk and Noc… either way, their bags best be packed!
Kelly Dwyer on Collins
The idea that Doug Collins could swoop in as coach and GM makes sense, as well. When Collins passed on taking the Bulls job last summer, the outgoing message he sent the media regarding his appreciation for Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf scanned pretty poorly. It was weird. It was fawning. It seemed like there was some sort of agenda to it.
So to think that those sorts of mash notes could lead to Reinsdorf eventually paying what Collins wanted, making up for the gulf in money by handing him more responsibility as a GM as well, it makes sense. And because it’d be the worst basketball move the Bulls have made since trading for Jalen Rose, it makes sense, because Jerry Reinsdorf doesn’t really want to put that much effort into his basketball operations.
Losing John Paxson as GM would be the third-worst thing that could happen to the Chicago Bulls at this point. Hiring a coach/GM to replace him would be the second-worst.
Hiring Doug Collins, a man who has flamed out of three different jobs while showcasing a pretty awful sense of who should be on the court vs. who shouldn’t, while demanding his teams work at some of the slowest paces in the NBA, would be the absolute worst. But, these are the Bulls. And this is Reinsdorf.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/John-Paxson-out-as-Bulls-GM-?urn=nba,141339
(emphasis mine)
I’d be less fearful if Collins is only hired to be GM. I do not want him coaching.
Also, I liked the Rose trade at the time, heh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I look at it this way.
From a leadership perspective, this will likely be the worst year in Derrick Rose’s career so there is nowhere to go but up (I think).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Worse Basketball move
Interesting Jalen is thought of over Ben Wallace
They overpaid for Wallace, but not by too much, I do'nt think.
His team-destructing manner and total drop-off in athleticism shouldn’t have been completely unexpected, but not expected either.
If he had declined in his 2nd and third years withe the Bulls in the same manner he declined from his last with the Pistons to the first with the Bulls AND been a good soldier, it wouldn’t have been a horrible contract.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I think the Jalen TRADE was worse.
Ben was a bad signing, but we didn’t lose anything. the jalen trade was much worse.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
We lost Tyson
Not technically.
We also seriously lost cap space to wait a year and get a better prize or two.
So yeah it was bad.
We’ll probably lose BG because of hte cap killing Hughes (who is most of Wallace).
So I’d say it was FAR WORSE.
When we traded for Jalen, that was bad too but the team wasn’t as close as we were when we signed Wallace and ruined our mojo.
I could live with Collins as GM, possibly even like it
Collins as coach would suck. On the other hand, perhaps as a short-term thing. He coaches the rest of the year to get a good feel for the players (with the trade deadline past, it’s not like he’s going to miss a whole lot) and then hires someone fresh this summer.
Might not be a terrible way of righting the ship.
I don't think he can be worse than what we're throwing out there right now
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have him...
…be GM w/ a heavy hand and being “involved” w/ one of the assts. taking over. I think. Although, I guess just coaching one year wouldn’t burn him out and make him go crazy.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Count me in
for Collins as GM and not as coach or gm/coach.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Collins would be just as much of a disaster as a GM
because his coaching philosophy would inform his GM philosophy. Sure, he wouldn’t be able to coach a plodding, half-court style, but he’d likely construct a team and hire a coach suited to that style of play.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Feb 13, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but it'd be harder for him to do so :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't buy it, even w/ the ST confirmation
I’ll be very surprised if this actually turns out to be true, the timing just makes no sense.
The hardest part of his season is almost over, he could quit in 2 months and not completely ruin his reputation.
I guess I’ll believe it when I actually see it.
I think it hurts his reputation more
if he hangs onto the job when he wants to quit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I guess my comment
was based on that information not becoming public, which it obviously now has. He could have left in the summer and claimed he decided he was burned out.
why decide a couple weeks before the deadline that you are going to quit, and then start telling people?
Kirk, Noc, Deng,...
Reinsdorf said on an interview that when they first got Michael Jordan that by the time they won a championship that the players on the team were totally different.
I think that this team is about to be blown up and perhaps as smash said a deal probably went down with someone that Pax may have wanted to keep, but JR shipped out.
JR is about money…..period. He is not emotionally attached to ANY player as his treatment of MIchael Jordan has shown us.
He is excited about Derrick Rose because he knows that Rose will be the CASH COW that he has been looking for to replace Michael Jordan. That’s it….that’s all.
The chicago connection is a big plus and good business for him so WHOEVER they get to come to Chicago whether it is AMARE, BOSH, or Wade then they all know that the plan is to feature DERRICK ROSE.
All of the deals made operate from that line of thinking and in that context. If Amare will help prop up Rose then do it. If not then Riensdorf will wait.
The only exception to this would be only if we got Lebron or Kobe, but that is not likely. I don’t even think that Wade coming to Chicago would overshadow DERRICK ROSE.
by Bart71 on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
For the last time...
JR offered MJ money, more than ANY other player in the NBA, more than any other player in NBA history, and MJ still walked.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Phil retired.
None of those guys liked JR, fine, I don’t like him either, but to say he wasn’t willing to pay them is downright false.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say he wouldnt pay them, then. But he was power tripping.
Rightfully so maybe, it is his team. But he cost the city another championship.
And as for him being cheap, well ffrwd to this decade and I can point out many occasions where he’s nixed deals bc of money- Gausol being the last.
The Bulls are becoming the Cubs of the 80s-90s...
interesting enough to keep the fans coming and make shit loads of money, never good enough to truly compete.
Fair enough...
I was more responding to Bart’s comment about JR’s treatment of Jordan with regards to him being all about money. I just assumed you meant it carried over to Phil.
You are right however, JR does power trip, and you are also right that he is entitled to do this as chairman of the board. That’s an obvious problem, and I can’t stand theguy, but he’s not going anywhere.
Pax on the other hand… Ding dong the witch is dead. I used to defend him, and I loved him as a player, but clearly we need somebody that can make better decisions at the helm… Especially with the man behind the curtain always lurking in the corner.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
the man behind the curtain always lurking in the corner.
Let’s hear it for stream of consciousness mixed metaphors!!!
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
He's so sneaky that he get's two metaphors.
I couldn’t help myself.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Jordan should not be a GM in Charlotte
He should have been locked into the Bulls Organization in some fashion.
save it.
or put it here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Jordan is maybe the best example of the worst player turned executive ever...
I’m happy he’s with Charlotte, he’s their problem.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
That was because Jabba the Krause was a fat slobbering Bitch.
And MJ, Scottie, and Phil were done with him.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
"He is not emotionally attached to ANY player"
Reinsdorf is emotionally attached to the doorman if he shows enough loyalty.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't he cry when he traded Kucoc...
Or do I have that backwards?
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by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
If D-Wade came to Chicago...
…he INSTANTLY becomes the feature attraction and option #1. Derrick Rose settles into the number 2 spot (the way Kobe did with Shaq) until he’s ready to become option #1a.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
After what Wade did to us last night...
I’m fine with that.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
The questions I have now though is if Paxson does go, then how does this affect the team?
Remember the excuses from last season due to the trade rumors and contract uncertainty? I guess now we’ll see who on this team has the mental strength to persevere because last time the Bulls were faced with this sort of adversity they failed miserably.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions
This got me thinking....
…if we all assume Del Negro is gone after this year, what does he think? You think he’d want to “develop players” anymore if he thinks it’s at the cost of a win? Puh-leeze.
He’ll still need to “prove” to the rest of the NBA that he’s a legitimate coaching candidate down the road. Although, he’d have a pretty well built-in excuse at that point.
Hopefully, he’d see the writing on the wall and just quit. Letting one of the assistants take over. I’d at least feel more comfortable in that situation.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Hey, he's Italian
and they like to argue. So maybe he argues his ass back to Italy to coach.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Why would he have to prove anything
Terry Porter got a job after he did nothing with a talented Bucks crew but drive them into the ever increasing mediocrity?
Ding dong the witch is dead.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions
That might seem brutal...
But so was watching Aaron Gray start at center for nearly half the season.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Did you see what the guy with the hair did at the end of last night's game?
I’d say we are definitely not out of the woods yet.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
You mean VDN?
Yeah, it was brutal. We are definitely not out of the woods, but this is hopefully a step in the right direction.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
From your caption: I just can't wait to hear
Amar’e block Satan on the D end and then pass accross court to Andres Nocioni for the Dunk over Godzilla.
Did that sound crazy to you? You won’t believe what happens in person. Love it Live.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do anyone think that this news has compromised any deals we may have had in
the works. Does this take Chicago out of play for Stoudemire or any other deals.
It could also mean that Chicago is gettig fleeced.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
WOnder if we do?
Now if JR traded Rose, I could totally see why Pax would quit.
I mean if he trades Rose for Duncan, Lebron, Wade, ok maybe, but for Amar’e? I don’t think it’s enough.
The only reason I have Duncan on there is cuz the guy never seems to decline, the only reason it would suck is because of his age vs Tyrus and Rose.
Of course not happening, but I was saying…..Rose may be traded for Amar’e and i COULD see Pax up and quitting when he heard that.
I will stop being a Bulls fan if Rose is traded for any players
but LeBron (with an extension) or Dwight Howard, or maybe CP. Kobe is too old, Wade too injury prone and everyone else not significantly better.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
I know this is what we're all thinking:
where’s exult?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions
And the 1st game after the break is against...
the Milwaukee Bucks! Can’t wait for Skiles’ input on this shitstorm.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Wow...
That should be interesting.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
GOd
I hope we still have Kirk for the rest of this year, I want to see a repeat of Kirk vs Skiles part 2…….that 2nd game of hte year was Kirk’s best game in 2 years, and I loved it.
Course if there’s a trade for Kirk, I would be for it (considering we have Rose), but I still like Kirk. Good ole underrated Kirk.
Hey, what's Jerry Colangelo's situation?
I’ve heard speculation in the past that he might be interested in coming back and getting his hometown team back on track
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
Why? So he can fill the team
with more of his “European gems” that never pan out? No thanks.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
That's Bryan Colangelo
Does Jerry have the flair for Euros too? I only think he does if he’s got little cap or tax room to work with.
Jerry’s reupped with USA basketball for another four years. He may not have interest in getting back into the pro game right now.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
likely not
He’s 70.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder if
Pippen’ll coach. Seems odd to see him again on TV after the REDD ceremony….he is really eager to get back with the Bulls and iwth a guy who had the bball IQ he did, I’m shocked he’s not in our coaching/managment/scounting teams considering how eager he seems to be to be back here (those essentially veiled I want to coach the Bulls comments last year, his very Reinsdorfian sentiment that the team’s been a major disappointment during the Pistons game, his eagerness to jump to the Bulls when asked…..
Plus what can I say, he’s still my favorite player of all time.
Now that sounds good!
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take a blind guy
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Take the blind guy
But every time a 3 is made have a dubbed “kaboom”.
I liked the kaboom’s….
I wish Funk stayed on the radio, I liked him so much more there when I had no clue he was making all the mistakes he was making….
I haven’t listened to the radio team, maybe Funk and Swirsky can switch?
I would love that...
Could you imagine all the things he would have to say…
(then again, out of blinding loyalty he might never say anything interesting about the players or organization)
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
If Paxson gets fired/quits, I'd rather he didn't make the Stoudemire trade.
It’s hard for me to imagine this team being good enough over the next year and a half to:
* A) get enough out of Stoudemire for him to be worth his max contract, and
* B) not be a clusterfuck of a situation where if he’s playing well enough to earn a max contract, that he won’t want to go somewhere else.
* C) to make them significantly better than what the team is now
So, if I’m assuming they won’t keep Stoudemire because this team is in disarray (which, is what the above is, and one can obviously disagree with that), then I don’t see how trading Thomas away (or especially he & Noah) is worth it.
What makes Stoudemire “worth it” is that the leftover parts are on the upswing, and there’s some stability that suggests it would continue, with Stoudemire giving it a huge boost. But a new GM? And a new coach? I’m skeptical they’d be significantly better (whomever it would be), but even if they are, would it be enough ?
I don’t know.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Prediction:
Reinsdorf trades Deng, Tyrus, Noah for Amundson/Stoudamire
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cb6375
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
absolute steal for the Suns.
especially if they could get the draft pick.
but those three with Barbosa going forward? yeesh.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Basically,
I thought of the best way Reinsdorf can screw our team. And Paxson just thought, “You know what … I can’t fix this. I can’t do anything like this.”
That’s what I’m thinking.
Also, it’s Lopez/Stoudamire, because Amundson didn’t work salary-wise. Maybe Amundson will be thrown in or something. :P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Dude, that leaves nothing for the Bulls
That means they would almost have to always go with a 3-guard lineup, because they just traded their starting 3 and 5. That, or have Nocioni starting, which would be the worst.
Well it does leave
Amar’e who is clearly better than anything we have….but yeah I can’t stomach a second half with an Amar’e-Gray combo….I mean the Amar’e and Shaq combo didn’t work….and Shaq’s not a good defender, add in the marshmallow’s D and lack of Shaqian offense, and woah nellie….and yes I wanted to say woah nellie.
Gooden and Amare? Yeeeack.
For the last time
Phoenix wants EXPIRING contracts!
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
But that doesn't wreck our team enough!
Sigh …
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
How do we REALLY know
They also want to compete, and I think Tyrus-Noah-Deng coupled with Shaq-Richardson-Nash-Hill is a GREAT lineup.
Don’t always believe the “leaks”. I think they’d rather win now than worry quite as much about expirings. Expirings could be a want, but talent would surpass it. I mean this team did take on Shaq’s huge salary and Richardson’s huge salary, so I think they would be willing to take players first and salaries second.
more news coming out!
my brother was just listening to the radio (not sure which station) but this is the gist of what was said:
-Paxson was very upset about the booing. They said that it was jarring for him to hear how much people don’t like him.
-Paxson knew for weeks that he would quit. As a matter of fact he told Jerry what he was thinking weeks ago. That’s why Jerry came out & put most of the blame on Del Negro.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
How bad was the booing during the Red ceremony?
I was fast forwarding through Pax’s mic time. That’s bad though if the fans can’t even take an hour off to honor a Bulls legend.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
unless a big mac is involved
WE DONT CARE!
by Protocol on Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It was a smattering of jeers mixed in with some subdued cheering/clapping
It was eerily quiet when he got introduced, that’s for sure. And that’s just what the mic picked up.
But seriously. Pax? You get upset when rowdy crowds boo you? You’re a public figure in one of the biggest cities in America, and your team is underachieving! If that’s why he’s quitting then I don’t know what the hell to say to that…
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Pax is dealin with self esteem issues....Hell he followed Michael Jordan and the President
himself. How in the hell are people supposed to cheer his ass after that.
Well...
That proves he never reads this blog then. He would have known months ago.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
ha
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
"That’s why Jerry came out & put most of the blame on Del Negro."
Pax was thinking of quitting, so Jerry started blaming VDN for our sucking.
That might be the dictionary defenition of dysfunctional.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry though
Backtracked and seem to push the blame more on the veteran assistants….and while VDN is probably the league low for head coaches, I would think we have hte most expensive assistant coaches int he league… (I don’t know, but given their resume’s I would gather).
if true
that’s pathetic.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I did think that sucked (the booing)
I’ve been very critical of him (mainly for letting a good player like Kirk rot and having his trade value rot by not moving him and waiting for the inevitable injury)….
But the booing during a ceremony honoring Red Kerr was a bit much.
I think the fianl straw was the f..kn 4.5 seconds left disaster of not having Rose in the game last night.
It was clear VDN is not an NBA coach and had to be fired. That game I think pushed Pax over the edge. It pushed me over the edge. This is unbelievable!
AHHAHA ROSENBLOOM'S FUNNY A$$ QUOTE
The Bulls interim coach put out a lineup that started with Thabo Sefolosha inbounding the ball after playing about six minutes all night and none in the second half. The interim coach of the Bulls should’ve been fired before the referee gave the ball to Sefolosha.
ahahahahahaa
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
No O'Neal or Marion
Heat Trade Marion To Toronto For O’Neal (on RealGM.com)
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 13, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions
KC Article
Link:
Sources said Paxson has held several lengthy discussions about his future with team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who has tried to talk Paxson out of stepping down. Reinsdorf hired Paxson to replace Jerry Krause in April 2003.
Paxson could not be reached Friday morning, but he is known to be frustrated by the Bulls’ recent struggles, in particular the inconsistent play of high draft choices Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah. Bulls fans evidently share that frustration—-Paxson was booed when introduced at the ceremony honoring longtime Bulls fixture Johnny “Red” Kerr at Tuesday’s Bulls-Detroit game.
So basically Pax tried to quit and Jerry pulled him back in. Mmmkay.
Jerry, loyalty is nice and all, but everything I’ve heard is that Pax has been clutched in the fetal position for close to a year now. How about you do everyone a favor and let him quit so we can get this show moving again.
May as well let him resign after the deadline and get the process of finding his replacement started
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Probably wouldn't bother, though, if desperate would go straight to JR
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
If that's the case, Kerr needs to follow Paxson's lead and quit
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Wonder how long the GM process will go
We’ll probably here big name, big name, big name, big name, big name, big name, big name….then Pete Meyers will get the job.
I don't even know who would make a good GM
Former coach? Random ex-Bull? Kevin Prtichard’s left testicle?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Over at Blazers Edge
they just put out a contract on your life for suggesting KP’s left testicle was available…
--Torch
Larry Hughes And Nocioni
You know what the difference between these two players is?
Nationalities.
by morobb on Feb 13, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
More from Rosebloom
But seriously, interim Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro seemed to indicate he would want Rose to take that shot. OK. Fine. Then put the kid on the court.
Put. The. Kid. On. The. Court.
On the bench for defense? Fine. On the bench when the Bulls have the ball? Excuse me?
You're quoting Rosenboob?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Is Paxson stepping down
because he failed to come to a decision on what he should do with the pheonix trade? IT was way too much for him, the thought of another blunder….if he accepts maybe the team wouldnt get better, if he declines the trade then maybe wed never get the star power to win….maybe he loved his players too much and couldnt bear to part with some of them but reinsdorf wants it done so he wanted to leave so guys like hinrich and noch can finally be traded….i dont think im happy about this btw. pax was a good gm who just ran into his share of bad luck….karma for hitting that shot maybe….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Hell no! That is a damn cop out. He have the balls to make the deal or not make the deal...
simple as that and stand by his decision. To the owner, the public and the player.
KC Johnson just reported that Paxson could remain in the front office but
give up the title of GM.
I could see that.
Trade for Amare. Keep Deng and Rose. Figure out the rest later.
by kidronmusic on Feb 13, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
nice life.
I have to be Reindsorf’s driver or something, and work my way up to loyalty status.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
post updated
with McGraw’s sources denying as well as the official Reinsdorf denial.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions
Hanley on 670AM
http://www.670thescore.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3461164
Hanley’s speculating, but he said Paxson’s been disillusioned ever since Gordon and Deng turned down extensions, further amplified by having to fire Skiles, and his son joining the Marines. He’s not happy with how the NBA does business.
You have to be fucking kidding me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions
Gah
so your worst nightmare basically just came true…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding
it’s sounds so ridiculous it’s bordering on satire.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Boo hoo! Ben didn't take my offer. I'm taking my ball and going home.
Ugh, grow up Pax.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
- your friendly BullsBlogger
by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
So Skiles was fired?
Anyone know the answer to that yet?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
heh, good catch
he was always technically fired, no? but Skiles asked him to. Plus he ‘mentally’ quit months before. Sort of what I fear Pax is doing now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
If he quit why are they paying him
and why did we have to get a discount coach?
Good question, but it's part of the way Dorf does his thing...
What have we heard from Skiles since about Dorfer and why he’s no longer coaching Bulls?
There was a deal made, and the parties kept their mouth shut for the most part.
How much do you think Pax is going to spill? Dorfer will make him a “deal” of some weird kind too. Even Krause was offered some odd position on his way out too, IIRC…
It's sort of funny how this team just leads guy to 'mentally' quit.
It’s almost as if they’re being told “Hey, you’ve got a job here for as long as you want, but I might make conditions here such that you might want to quit”.
There's only theories when it comes to Dorfer actions
One theory is that Skiles was under the impression roster decisions would be made that weren’t made…and when he pressed it, realized he didn’t have the horses, and had to retire from the field. Sorta like what may be happening with Pax right now, and exemplified by Collins and D’Antoni strange hiring/not hiring dance. In the end it’s Dorfer messing with things and people don’t want to play his games. Passive aggressive?
It's just odd
that we cannot get a straight answer out of Reinsdorf or Paxson.
The Chairman hasn’t denied that he’s still paying Skiles. So it really cannot be a situation where “Skiles quit/resigned”. Skiles and Keith Glass still say “I don’t know what else you’d call it[fired]”.
Skiles was fired, but we just can’t get that story out of the Bulls representatives. Are they really that nice where they terminate personnel, but nobody is ever fired?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
It's more odd that Pax is a no-show
If there was nothing to this, the easy way to quell it would be a statement from him, not Reinsdorf.
When it's two parties making a deal,
it’s whatever they want to call it.
In order to understand why there isn’t a straight answer think who wants it that way…is because Dorfer doesn’t like to do things that way. This is deduced from years of evidence. We are reduced to speculate why this is done the way it’s done….
which is probably something to do with Dorf’s role as padrone…the patriarch, the godfather, ….it has to come out with Dorf looking reasonable and genteel…and holding the top card. Not brazenly like Steinbrenner, but behind the scenes.
That sometimes takes a lot of maneuvering to accomplish. Kneel and things will go well. Stand up, and you’re in trouble, but he’ll work hard to get you kneeling in the end… Saving face bottom line for Dorf.
Hate to say it, but it appears that’s the story behind “proud” Gordon not being signed, and the less “proud” Deng getting the deal.
I wish the Bulls were owned by a public corporation
like the Mud Bay Slackers Green Bay Packers.
If we Blog-a-Bullers were rich, we could pool our money, buy the team and make Matt Chairman. ;)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
So Hanley confirmed it?
Is that the official news we’re looking for?
I’m so saddened by this.
This is gonna screw us in the immediate future but depending on the hire, it might salvage this offseason.
this was recorded earlier today, like 9am
he didn’t say WHEN Paxson would leave.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
So does this source matter . . .
But a Bulls insider told the Daily Herald Friday that the report is “the farthest thing from the truth” and Paxson isn’t planning to go anywhere.
I've updated the post with this link
we’ll see. McGraw has been great this season. But I can’t help but think that these reports will only snowball, and even if Pax wanted to stay a bit longer it becomes the case where he can’t for the sake of PR
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I like McGraw best of all the beatwriters
for whatever that’s worth. So I side with him, ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I like his shot at the Sun-Times confirmation
that did seem fishy, though Hanley being on 670 was a bigger confirmation than what’s on the Sun-times web site.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
"isn't planning to go anywhere"
could just be “reassigned”. Pete Myers and Ron Adams were “reassigned”.
Reinsdorf apparently had a chance to deny the Vescey report and just navigated himself orally around a denial without issuing a denial.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
indeed
Organizational guys!
Bulls need a Donnie Walsh so bad. One guy with a vision putting himself out there as the guy making the decisions. Bernstein right now is suggesting that the Bulls might just have Pax and Foreman as a ‘united front’ for now with Pax leaving at the end of the year. That’s the opposite of strong leadership.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Rosenbloom . . .
If Paxson indeed intends to quit, he needs to be removed today. Right now. Immediately. Better for the Bulls to make no player moves than to allow a short-timer to add to his growing list of bad moves.
Where is Sam Smith when you need him?
I hope the answer isn’t “signing a contract to become General Manager”
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ha!
he’s already an employee, Reinsdorf loves consolidating roles…
but seriously, Sam has a blog now, there’s no excuse. Get to work.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I sent Sam an email this morning
Haven’t heard back yet.
by KT on Feb 13, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Sam Smith?
You mean the noted completely independent journalist who just happens to write for the Chcago Bulls but is in no way influenced by that fact has reported nothing on the Amare trade or this in days?
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well
usually he saves his trade fun for Mondays :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
David Faulk mentioned
that John’s been spending a lot of time with his father lately. So there may be other thigns going on – John’s dad is 77 or so now, he may not be well. But Faulk didn’t comment if he knew Pax was quitting or not. He did say John is different from a lot of people in the NBA and has different priorities. Faulk was on Jim Rome’s radio show.
thanks.
link?
(and where’ve you been lately?)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I just heard it on Rome's show
No link.
And I’ve been busy, and haven’t had much to say. :) Thanks for asking.
by KT on Feb 13, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
that must be why I never stop
I’m never busy :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I can at least confirm what kt heard
since i heard it too, it was at around 1:35 when they discussed the matter. It was on espn 1000 so hopefully the website will have an mp3 link up or something.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
For all you conspiracy theorists out there, how about this
Straight from the plot of a Tom Clancy novel I’m currently relistening to on the old commute:
Pax and JR “hate” the media getting all up in their business, so this was just one of several false leaks to flush out the inside source.
But seriously, it would just be nice if we could occasionally get a straight story around here. It kind of feels like a bad Mexican novela right now.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Gar Foreman, Deep Throat?
Who gains here in dysfunctional arrangement…? Odd man Gar of course. And who’s working on the trades? Gar again. Who might be in a position to leak to Vescey all that stuff about who Bulls are looking to trade for? Who might want to push Pax out of that process right now if he could?
Telenovelas are entertaining though
This isn’t.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Entertaining in a really poor quality kind of way for everyone else
We are the novela – we’re entertainment for the rest of the league, and they are laughing at (not with) us.
Did you ever see any of that old one, Dos Mujeres, Un Camino, with Erik Estrada in it? Suppose to be drama, but it was more like high comedy. That’s the Bulls.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
670 is also reporting that the Bulls are gathering up something
At the Berto Center to report something . . .
CAUSE THEY HAVE TO
yeah I'm listening to 670 right now
Bernstein is laying out lots of nuggets…not sure about his sources.
Also said that they’re in the running for Amare, that the Bulls are not ‘fooled’ by Thomas and Noah’s recent play, and that they all sort of know that Vinny’s in over his head.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
goo d ol Bernstein
hope is sources are better than the ones he had on the Kobe trade.
by KT on Feb 13, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
yeah, no kidding. I love their show, but do not trust him or Terry’s ‘Bulls peeps’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Can we somehow just get that one line about "not being fooled"
so we can play it for everyone in here
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I won't
I suppose I’m not fooled, but only in the sense in that Tyrus and Noah have always been good :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I know, I agree they're definitely good
but not good enough to hold up a deal of this magnitude… at least I hope not.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
And just think, poor little Derrick
is off in Phoenix all alone, surrounded by all those media guys wanting some good scoop. Maybe someone will get to him for some uncensored inside info.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Derrick's probably
in his hotel room eating candy and playing Xbox…his agent will be talking for him I’d bet.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
probably
and strangely enough he eats candy with a very sharp knife.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
maybe he likes his twizzlers cut in 1/2 (see: Derrick Rose Q&A)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Paxson is being forced to resign.
My opinion, but my strong opinion.
1) In any business, when the company fails, someone has to take the fall. It’s either Paxson or Del Negro.
2) The attempt to dump Hughes means that the Ben Wallace – Hughes trade was a mistake. Someone has to take the fall for this. The Cavs got better with Ben Wallace, and the Bulls got worse with Hughes.
3) Noah and Thomas have been, in all relativeness, failures.
4) The signing of Deng and the non-signing of Gordon appears to have been a mistake.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Feb 13, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions
Whatever was going to happen
If Pax was really talked out of re-signing, I don’t see how he can continue to function as the GM with that out there.
Huh?
The Cavs got better with Ben Wallace, and the Bulls got worse with Hughes.
The Bulls had to pull that trade off to get time for Noah and Tyrus.
Also, Wallace had the weight of the world on his shoulder cause of Pax’s mistake in signing him in the first place.
No one cared what Hughes brought to the table
besides
wallace still sucks, anybody catch the last lakers vs cavs game….wallace blows to wide open dunks at point blank…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
OK!
see ya then!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
no meta-Al digs here
for everyone’s sake.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Now these guys are making fun of us fans
For thinking when Tyrus blocks a shot in spectacular fashion, he’s leaving his man and becoming a defensive liability
well, that's sometimes true
but they’re certainly more anti-Thomas than I like.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Noc is a joke on the Aaron Gray level
they just think MORE people suck than I do.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I liked how they compared "The White Panther"
to Dr. Strange yesterday and that he exists on “the Astral Plane”.
Then again, I love it anytime the NBA and comic book universes collide (because it happens so often…). I’m such a nerd.
If Noc was minimum salary like Gray
he would be an asset, not a liability.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Pax settled on a solid deal for Amare
and JR refused to go into the tax to swing it =\
Holy shit
This is ridiculous. Definitely the most tumultuous season in recent memory. If this is true, I wonder who would be the interim-GM?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
I'd hold the jury out on
“most tumultuous season” just yet…last year was pretty damn tumultuous too.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Eventually Pax will not be GM of the Bulls!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Feb 13, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hollinger's stealing your lines Matt!
There are two other effects to consider from Miami’s end:
First and most obviously, they’re out of the running for Amare Stoudemire — Marion’s expiring contract would have been the centerpiece of such a trade, in either a direct swap or a three-way deal.
And they’ve essentially punted on the idea of getting Carlos Boozer in free agency as well, as O’Neal’s acquisition uses up their potential 2009-10 cap space — O’Neal’s contract expires in 2010. O’Neal and Moon, for all intents and purposes, are the Heat’s free agent class of 2009. If you’re the Pistons or one of the few others teams looking at having cap space this summer, you just got a big grin after this deal went down. Ditto if you’re the Jazz, obviously.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
oops
probably should’ve put this over in the trade post. mea culpa.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
correct.
how dare you :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Aldridge on NBA.com
Several league sources told TNT’s David Aldridge that Chicago general manager John Paxson has said that health concerns have caused him to consider quitting. Two sources said that they had been told Paxson had an ailment that threatens to become more serious.
bah
just beat me :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't look healthy
during the Redd ceremony.
If that’s the case, I’ll feel really bad for ever saying fire his ass.
But I still will say it if he’s there and nothing is done before this trade deadline.
Go figure, I’m a hypocrite, but an honest hypocrite, so am I really a hypocrite?
Health concerns?
As in Pax himself? His dad? Sad if it’s genuine, annoying if it’s just a copout excuse…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Feb 13, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
John Paxson has been losing his hair
rather quickly of late.
He came out with what looked like a shaved head for the Red ceremony.
Is “stress” an ailment?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
tipped from 670:
David Aldridge is citing health concerns:
Several league sources told TNT’s David Aldridge that Chicago general manager John Paxson has said that health concerns have caused him to consider quitting. Two sources said that they had been told Paxson had an ailment that threatens to become more serious.
“The stress of the job is really getting to John,” one source said.
Well, a ‘real’ health concern is different than stress.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions
He doesn't look too haggard
Like Jeff Van Gundy when he looked like a POW coaching the Knicks, but well Pax has had to endure a lot of shit from everyone the past 2 seasons.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I want my GM to look like it's ruining his life
but it’s a badge of honor :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
maybe not too haggard
but he definitely doesn’t look the same either. The stress shows on his face…and his lack of hair
then – http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gordon_paxson_040715.jpg
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Didn't Jerry Krause suffer from "health concerns"
before he “resigned”? Reinsdorf thinks we’re all idiots and that he’s a master of the smokescreen.
that certainly could be it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
often is
health concerns, or to spend time with my family, or to take advantage of new options.
Health concerns matches “Pax takes his job too seriously sometimes”…as a PR package.
Well, the team has been making FANS sick, so...
credible that GM got it worse.
I’m reminded of Jerry West, who couldn’t watch Laker games in person, or even TV after a while….and that was quite a decent team he’d put together….actually that’s not the same as Pax is it…=^)
But still….
What must it be like for Pax to watch team/coach that he put out there last couple years?
Stress is most virulent
when it looks like there’s no way out.
And Pax has seen what’s out there in the way of trades that he needs to make, and it’s not looking good…so he’s freakin. Freakin causes cancer. Not to make light, cause I wouldn’t want to be Pax right now, give him that.
Seriously!!
If this was in New York (Isaiah Thomas?), or if the owner was Jerry Jones and not Jerry Reinsdorf, this would be an ongoing national joke.
If it isn’t already…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
Today.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Calling press flacks/pr geniuses BS Masters
Is speculation here moving faster/better? than “news” (speculation) official outlets?
They’re going to have to have a news conference pretty soon at Berto…get out in front of the story if they can…
Sorry if I can't throw a pity party for Pax
What “stress” does he have to worry about? He makes good money, he’s got a guaranteed job for life, and he doesn’t have to worry about getiing fired no matter how badly he does. His boss, in the same interview in which he called the team a “disaster,” went on to talk about what a great job Pax is doing. If he can’t handle the “stress” of being criticized by media and fans, maybe he ought to consider another profession, because that’s part of pro sports. He faced virtually no criticism until the past 18 months, so he’s had it easier than a lot of GM’s. With all the unemployed people out there right there, I’m not shedding any tears for Pax.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
completely agree
this is serious, huge money shit.
I don’t think anyone really buys a ‘stress’ excuse anyway, so hopefully the Org. doesn’t push it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
agree as well
the “stress” he has, has been created by his own doing
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to think of a good organization in any sport
that has a hands-on owner. All that comes to mind is Al Davis…
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you said "good organization"...
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
The Raiders were one of the most successful organizations in the NFL from the merger till the late 80's
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
And nowwww ...
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
I'd say Sarver is mucking up Kerr's job in Phoenix pretty good...
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
for the slack that Cuban gets
and most of it deserved, he did get that team to the finals where barring the collapse and wade free throw fest they would have won. and if that team had any fortitude they wouldnt have lost to the warriors the next year. but then again, cuban traded nash
by The90sBullsRevival on Feb 13, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Cuban?
Questionable trades, but Dallas has won 50 games every since he became owner, and that team was a sinking ship before he sunk his fortunes into it. You could make a case for Jerry Jones, I dunno. There’s nothing wrong with being hands on as an owner (after all, it’s their money). There just is no reason for the owner to let his biases get in the way of business decisions.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
i dont want the guy to resign...
i think he’s been a good GM…the last two seasons havent been very good at all but last year it was due to all the trade rumors and our players not being mature enough to deal with it ( gotta remember how young this team is, and the fact none of them had gone through trade rumors before)…this year has to do with a rookie coach and rookie PG running the show….. but almost all of his moves have been good moves….even the ben wallace signing… or do we forget that “the cancer” was signed after a defensive player of the year award…. he was suppose to anchor our D…. i remember being very excited when we signed him…. anyways i dont think pax should quit… unless of course he really does have health issues…. but i’ve been a supporter of him through all the ups and downs….
he hasn't been the worse gm ever....but he's been below average
The good thing he did was drafting Rose….
The bad is hiring a inexperienced VDN to coach Rose and other young players…
He also has the tendency to fall in love with players and doesn’t pull the trigger on a major trade(Kobe)
He also overpaid for Ben Wallace.
He has overlooked for his entire tenure that we need a big man…Joakim doesn’t count
by aznsensation on Feb 13, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
God this has been the worst month
Theres been so much speculation about so many things in the league, i just want something to actually be confirmed to be true or false already
is paxson quitting?
if he is quitting, is it now, after all star break, next week, at the end of the season?
are we getting amare, yes or no?
if we are, who is going to be traded in the deal?
What is the future of ben gordon, kirk hinrich, luol deng, larry hughes, and nocioni?
Is porter being fired or what?
What trade is portland gonna make thats gonna put them over the top?
How is Dwight howard gonna top last years dunk contest?
so many damn questions….no answers!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'm not buying this Paxson ...loyality, cowboy, good guy, organizational first guy BS!
And then threaten to quit immediately after the trading deadline as a means of protesting, Paxson had no objection to being in the high paid blush GM job as Reinsdorf puppet all of these years already, with a supposely life time employment guarantee.
Sounds like an excuse and looking to blame his (Paxson) failure on Dorf’ and Gar’s interference!
A real loyalty cowboy would ride off into the sunset with no protest at all. If he’s loyal to Kirk and Deng then be loyal to Reinsdorf equally!
Sounds as if the guy has internal conflict with balance which impacts his ability to make correct decisions..
Sounds like a health problem to me!
man up!
exult
this is your day, man. This is your day.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I don't enjoy this, nor do I gloat in these events...
I wish that this bridge burning episode not exists on Paxs part, Reinsdorf publically seems to be a Paxson supporter?
And I really wish that Paxson was already reassigned quietly to a role more suited for this skills within the organization. Maybe this day is partly Dorf’s fault, for not really being sensitive to his key employee. Yet, I believe Paxson is frustrated beyond our understanding and wants a escape away from this.
I don’t believe Paxson was so wrongly treated by Dorf. This micro-management style comes with the Dorf territory. I don’t believe Paxson is crazy, but just has some beliefs which make him not so suited for this position.
Regardless of what really happened today, he has to quit because he’s not happy and if it hasn’t already effected his health… it will.
Hopefully the organization, Dorf and Paxson can smooth things over(damage control) and twenty++ years from today we can see Paxson honored much like Big Red was the other day.
And we can remember him for hitting big shots, leading this team as GM to 3 playoff appearance, the shot against the Suns in the finals, and finally making the excellent trade bring Amare to Chicago without giving up Tyrus Thomas.. What a Bulls Legacy, and still young and able enough to add more to his credentials!
man up!
I'm just worried
that with Paxson gone, what will you randomly drop into threads and yell about? I guess Reinsdorf :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Can we get an "UnRec" button?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like, Sounds as, Sounds like!
What are you hearing? Where are the credible quotes from Pax and about him? Lots of accusations, yet I haven’t heard Paxson say anything, so it sounds like a lot of speculation piled on top of more speculation to me.
Get the hell out of this org TT
I’d be really happy if I got traded to Phoenix, there’s just way too much drama in this organization.
huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
nevermind
I got it :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Phoenix isn't much better right now
Sarver was cheap to begin with, and he supposedly lost a lot of money in the stock market, so Tyrus better not count on getting an extension from them if he is traded.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Players need to leave the Bulls
to become good.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Like Jordan and Pippen?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't we have a real coach then?
So that kind of weighed against it.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
What does that say?
He’s still on the team right now. The team spokesman says he hasn’t resigned… as of today. How is that denying the reports that he’ll resign after the trade deadline?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
:-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Where the hell did
I say it denied anything? I was just posting another article on the situation. I’ve never seen anyone who enjoys being an ass as much as you do.
I've seen worse.
:)
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
In the past 24 hours the Bulls have...
- Made a fourth quarter comeback vs. the Heat.
- Gave up a game winning dunk.
- Had their GM resign….no wait quit….no wait he’s staying till the end of the season…..is he sick?
- Lost out on one of the big men they were supposedly thinking about dealing for. (O’Neal)
Congratulations we’re the new Knicks.
by Johnny 'Thread' Kerr on Feb 13, 2009 5:05 PM CST reply actions
BILL SIMMONS FOR GM!!!!!!
Just make sure he signs a contract saying he won’t do any deals with the Celtics or Indiana (basketball Jesus runs the show) with out a nuetral third party signing off on it.
Updated the post again
with McGraw calling it “a colossal false alarm”
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1423
I demand a duel between him and Hanley after this is over.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions
Paxson whiffs again! He can't even pull the trigger on quiting!
this was a commenter to the article …
man up!
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Will Purdue was on espn 1000 a bit ago
He said that Paxson is suffering from an accute disease, i think the technical term he gave it was…uh….Midiabolshet-itis :)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
just in case you havent figured it out yet
will purdue basically talked to some first hand source who said that vescey is wrong, dead wrong. And then continued to bash vescey thoroughly and then described that paxson was a guy who did quit and held himself more accountable than anyone. I also found it intresting that he said this “Paxson isnt going to be leaving the organization” but that to me doesnt mean he will continue to be gm. Maybe they really are trying vdn to be gm…at the end of the season paxson coaches and vdn gms?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
first hand source
Bill Wennington? do all the center stiffs of Bulls past have a meeting? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Ed Nealy is the chairman...
It’s kind of like the skull and bones society.
"Noc and Amare on D… It works sometimes. Love it live!"
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Dalibor Bagaric?
Dragan Tarlac… Chris Anstey… Luc Longley… Michael Ruffin… Craig Krenzel… Moses Moreno… Oh, sorry, wrong list of stiffs
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Don't forget Dave Corzine
or for that matter Robert Parish who joined the Bulls and AARP on the same day.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Stop! Stop! Achk!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Not all
whatever happened to mr luc longley? I think alot of the role players formed a tight nit group, that was the only way they could weather the storm of egos that was jordan, pippen and rodman.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
hey ill ask you (just randomly picked you)
did you get the “paxsons disease” joke i wrote above? Actually it was Purdue’s and i found it funny so i just took it one step up but i dont think anyone got it….
:( man i suck at jokes
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I have that disease too
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Will Perdue (like the chicken/turkey brand, not the university)
better not put his foot in his mouth. Those things are 21AAAAA!
Will Purdue was on espn 1000 a bit ago
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha...i do like this quote though...
“Paxson whiffs again! He can’t even pull the trigger on quiting! Big surprise there…”
Hanley is basically acting like the whole "after the deadline"
thing never happened. He just mentions Vecsey and that the Sun Times reported he would step down “at some point.”
Hanley looks pretty bad on this one right now.
Paxson retiring at some point
is highly probable, no?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 13, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Why yes, it is
But it is Hanley that created the “right after the deadline” shitstorm in the first place. Now he is acting like it was just Vecsey.
Interesting view from the Phoenix fan perspective
This is from the Arizona Republic. In general they value Amare quite high. There are some exceptions.
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