Kirk was loose, he had been playing really well and we just wanted to go that way. It's one of those things where if you execute the play and you make it, it was the right way. That's part of the decision-making process.
[Commandeered, edited, and bumped as a post-game stub -ed.]
VDN on his lineup with 6 seconds left and the game tied, one that resulted in a TO.
As pointed out in the comments, it doesn't explain why Rose wasn't on the floor. I didn't even notice it when I watched it, I couldn't even fathom that Derrick Rose wouldn't be out there. I was actually starting to fume at Vinny for going 3-guards for the final 5 minutes, but Hinrich did a decent job against Wade (more decent than Rose or Gordon was, anyway) and as much as I figure you play your best, clearly Luol Deng's back on vacation.
But sitting Rose on the final play? Inserting an ice-cold Thabo to do the inbounds?
Too bad, despite some heavy 3-guard time and liquid hot death from the bench for most of the game, the Bulls surged back into it with Rose and Gordon on offense, and Thomas/Noah igniting that offense from the other end.
Thought it'd be the second great finish I'd see tonight, I was in person for this one.
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I've been less critical than most about VDN
I was withholding judgment, think maybe Rose tweaked something, but not having Rose in the game for the last possession because he thought Kirk was playing well is absolutely inexcusable.
by JeffD on Feb 12, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well I think it was
Fine having Kirk out there, as he was the reason we even had a chance to win there….
But why Thabo in lieu of Rose? Thabo can’t shoot, and while he’s a decent passer on the break, he’s less decent in the half court…..
That’s the mind boggling piece.
You want Kirk against Wade. Kirk is one of the few in the league who consistently stops Wade and has done so unfortunately for us Marquette Alumns since college.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have no problem with Kirk being in the game...
but to have Thabo in was completely insane. Thabo should’ve been on the bench, Rose should’ve been in…plain and simple. Vinny’s a moron.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 12, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't really have a problem with Kirk being in the game
if its not at the expense of Rose, which in this case it was. Apparently it was Kirk or Rose, not Thabo or Rose.
by JeffD on Feb 12, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to Vinny.
He should be able to expect any player on an NBA roster to make a simple pass.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 12, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Vinny's play was good.
Gordon was wide open. I think he would have hit the game winner if the pass was completed.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when was Gordon wide open? Wade was all over him and stole the ball because of it.
Vinny discovers frontcourt by accident. Someone re-smash Gooden’s groin!
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
but it still begs the question as to why Thabo was even called on to make that pass. He shouldn’t even had been in there to attempt the pass.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what's hilarious there is that Kirk wasn't involved in the final play
He was open – it’s not like he’s justifying having Kirk inbound the ball or take the last shot. He had loose Kirk out there just hanging out by his lonesome.
I’m with you guys above – answering why he decided to have Kirk in the game doesn’t say shit about why Derrick was on the bench.
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by wjb1492 on Feb 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
these guys are in the NBA....
no excuse for thabo to throw it DIRECTLY to wade….no excuse at all….it was not vinny’s fault…… not his fault that a NBA player cant make a simple pass… doesnt matter if thabo had been on the bench for most of the game…. if the coach calls on you, you have to deliver…. its not like he was asked to hit the final shot…he was asked to thow the ball in.. hell it was a pass with no ball pressure from the defense cause they have to give room… absolutely no excuse for it
by masputo on Feb 12, 2009 11:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To me, this is just damning on so many levels
1. He thought Kirk should stay in over Rose
2. It doesn’t seem like he even considered that Kirk and Rose should both be in before Thabo
3. He apparently didn’t think about the fact that if Rose is on the bench, the Heat know the ball is going to Ben. Even if you draw the play up for Ben, having Rose out there, especially since he has taken the last several last second shots, means they will probably focus on him. Everyone knows the ball isn’t going to Kirk.
by JeffD on Feb 12, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh man - from the same article
Goodbye and good luck: Del Negro’s message to his team as it headed off for it’s four-day All-Star break?
“Just be careful, enjoy yourselves but understand why we lost tonight,” he said.
Seriously, what does that mean? Have fun, but don’t really because you should spend the next week feeling like crap over this loss? Or maybe, Have a good time and remember Thabo blew the game?
Because I seriously doubt he meant, Enjoy your break from me, the dumbass.
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by wjb1492 on Feb 12, 2009 11:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think what Vinny means is.
Have fun, good luck. Thabo, go to Phoenix, enjoy the festivities. I got you a one way ticket. Don’t worry, you won’t be needing a ticket for the way back.
Calls Pax (Did you get the plane ticket for Amare yet?)
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by Andrew7 on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
that is the lamest statement ever made in life. I hate him even more after reading that.
Seriously, my toleration for Vinny is completely done. I have no more use for him after tonight’s debacle. A coach’s job is to put his players in the best position to suceed. He failed to do that tonight. He put Thabo in a position to fail. He then failed to prepare his players properly on the next defensive possession. That, in turn, lost us the game.
Vinny should go home and just slam his face into a door about 15 times. I haven’t felt this mad about a loss in a long while. It’s been a couple of hours and I’m still irked at the lack of coaching that he did.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 12, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
i no longer need to post in here
by i_like_turtles on Feb 13, 2009 2:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Just be careful, enjoy yourselves but understand that I’m a fucking idiot," he said.
Fixed it
by NittanyCub on Feb 13, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
He’s saying understand why we lost tonight was because we didn’t have Amar’e Stoudemire….and that’s why you sorry asses are outta here.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been on the real gm site really,
but I just went looking over there for some reason and I’m looking in the Bulls forums and there is some guy in there that claims Amare has been traded to the Bulls. He didn’t specify for what. I’m probably the most gullible dumbass on the face of the planet, but I kinda believe him. Am I an idiot?
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You should have been a couple years ago
When I used to lurk 7-8 months before I started posting, there was this poster named kevin that had “inside sources on trades.” He used to link to himself about potential deals that were about to happen. It came at a climax, from what I remember, when he told everyone that Pau Gasol was traded— two years before he actually was traded to Los Angeles.
I don’t know how everyone else feels, but if it’s not from a credible source—ESPN, SI— then it’s usually not true.
by NittanyCub on Feb 13, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This was his quote:
It’s been put through! Amare is going to be a Bull. Though technically it isn’t written on paper, I’ll be back in a few minutes for details. Give me a second.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
start another thread please
this is for VDN hate only. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have, but I really have nothing solid to put on there
Oh, and VDN is a stupid piece of shit.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Link to that part of the thread (I assume it's part of the giant Amare thread)
One of the beatwriters told me that they predict the Bulls will trade Tyrus, Gooden, Thabo, and Simmons for Stoudemire to be done, and be the Bulls only trade for the deadline. (Larry Hughes is apparently really hard to get off your team…). But by no means did he say it was done.
But if it has gone through, then that’s great. I like the trade for the Bulls, especially if it is the variation I posted above, where we keep Noah.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 13, 2009 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I hate sports rumors. While I believe there’s a good amount of them that are true, as in there are talks of trades with various GMs, barely any of them actually go through.
I like when people discuss about trade scenarios, why it would work and how it would impact the teams involved, but when others say they have “sources” and “inside scoops” on deals that are “done” and “sealed,” it really gets old and annoying as shit, because it rarely ever happens.
by NittanyCub on Feb 13, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I can't believe I actually got a little excited for a minute there.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Post of the night over there
Re: Amare Thread Part 3
Postby kyrv on Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:35 am
His source is God.
by NittanyCub on Feb 13, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the link. It looks as if the guy may have been full of shit though.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I ahven't read through that entire thread yet.
But TheInsider guy is an idiot. Hughes and Gordon? Come on now. Suns get a guy who they won’t retain his bird rights, who will probably look to re-sign elsewhere…but don’t even get Drew Gooden’s expiring while the Bulls are left with a ridiculously large logjam in the front court.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No that wasn't the actual guy,
that guy just jumped in and added that and has since admitted that he was just screwing around. The actual guy (Black Jesus) never said which names were involved.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although the posters who are saying there is no way a trade gets agreed upon....
At this time at night don’t know what they’re talking about either. (As I read on).
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by Andrew7 on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most recently:
Re: Amare Thread Part 3
Postby Black Jesus on Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:51 am
Wow, well I read just a page or so and let me start off by first saying that I know no one on this board and have not gotten into contact with anyone on this board. For the past 20 minutes I have been talking with the man I get the information from and for a short moment we tried to figure out how I can give a reasonable source to you guys without catching trouble. It didn’t work and I would love to provide everyone with proof but right now I absolutely cannot. HOWEVER he said that may change once things open up a bit. I’m really stretching out what he had to say about this 8-) Worst case scenario is you guys finding out it’s true later on ESPN.
Who the hell knows, I’m going to sleep.
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 2:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to say.
You never know whether these guys are legitimate until they’re proven right. So there’s no way to know whether this has any credence to it. But based on one beatwriter telling me they predict a deal to get done, and Hanley’s article, about how the Heat, Blazers, and Grizzlies have all dropped out of the race, it’s not hard to believe.
I really hope this does get done, especially if we keep Noah out of it, and it’s just Thomas, Gooden, Simmons, and Sefolosha (who cost us the game tonight!). I’d assume we’d get at least Amudston back, and maybe Barnes as the filler.
Hopefully this guy is legitimate. I really have began to like the player Tyrus has becom recently (and I’m sure Phoenix has too), but this is Amare Stoudemire we’re talking about, and given that it’s basically Tyrus + Contract Filler for Amare, you have to make the trade. (Sefolosha is useless, and Gooden is gone after this year regardless). We just need to re-sign Gordon this summer at all costs. Rose-Gordon-Amare. That’s a good trio.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 13, 2009 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, here's more...
VDN watched Rose get to the basket in previous game vs Deetroit on last second play, and under great pressure get pass off to BG for the big three(+1).
It’s not as if there was some big screw up by Rose that VDN had to keep in mind when making last second lineup choice. O contraire, Rose had just shown he deserved to be in there in previous test vs Pistons.
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 1:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Bulls head coach Vinny Del Negro scrambles for a substitution, in absolute horror, when he realizes that his best player was about to enter the game with 4.7 seconds left on the clock...
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2009 1:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is one scary pix
Could also be an imaginary friend paying VDN a viist at a bad time.
Maybe there’s more to this than meets the eye…
Whose ghost would it be, haunting the man like that?
Or PSTD flashback from time Lambeer gave him the shiver coming down the lane…
by Cholla on Feb 13, 2009 2:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"ice-cold" Thabo?
Didn’t know you needed to be warmed up or in rhythm to make an inbounds pass.
Would’ve liked to see Rose in there though.
by T Maple on Feb 13, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I actually saw this right away.
I was hoping they would bring in Thabo earlier because I was really nervous about the three guard line-up. I thought maybe Thabo could stop Wade from doing whatever he wanted in the last couple minutes. So when he got up, I was like, “now they bring him in on offense?” And then I look to see who is gone and Rose wasn’t out there. This HAS to be something we are being told. Rose must have tweaked something, RIGHT? There is no way that anyone could be this bad of a coach to not put Rose in with a chance to win the game and they are on offense. Maybe, maybe, someone could make a case for a defensive switch a la a last second attempt by the Heat and you bring in Thabo. But on offense? If VDN really didn’t have Rose out there for any other reason than Rose not being physically able to play, then Bill Simmons was right when he said today on his Trade Value article.
“Of all the lousy coaching hirings recently (Terry Porter, P.J. Carlesimo, Michael Curry, Sam Vincent, Reggie Theus, Marc Iavaroni), what’s funny is Vinny Del Negro was by far the worst. It’s even scarier in person when you’re sitting behind the Bulls’ bench; I know a reader once compared Vinny’s coaching to Shooter’s taking over Hickory High that first time, but actually, it’s more like watching an old person getting ready to go through a metal detector at an airport. Just complete confusion and panic and a lot of stopping and starting and glancing around. I feel bad even making fun of it.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090212
I’m still pissed about this loss. Why do we always go out on a bad note? We just don’t have the concentration to make it happen when we need to. Did I mention I’m PISSED!
by Unrealcity on Feb 13, 2009 2:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wtf wtf wtf wtf wtf
i swear if this doesnt get you fired i dont know what will
by sin on Feb 13, 2009 3:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt be surprised
if the only trade we do with pheonix this season is the one that sends porter here and del negro there. ON the bright side, im pretty sure we win that trade :)….on the bad side, no amare :(
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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2009 3:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I mean sure
Porter had coaching experience in Milwaukee where he failed miserably, then went to Phx, a stacked Phx team and made it so that his main man/stud Amar’e was upset and wanted to leave and they underperformed.
I mean they have a lineup of Nash-Richardson-Hill-Amar’e-Shaq….while I didn’t think they’d be a playoff team without D’Antoni but with Porter, I can see why Phx brass would be upset.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean I don't think Vinny's been perfect
But comparing him to Terry Porter is one of those “grass is always greener” comparisons. THe talent mgmt here has been our biggest issue. Vinny’s a rookie and will make rookie mistakes.
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter is a fucking idiot
There’s a difference in having experience, and just being a really bad coach.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like I left the bar at the worst time
I missed this epic fail of an ending. BABers thoughts aren’t surprising to me though. It’s rare to see Vinny making the correct calls at any points in the game let alone in crunch time.
Good night. Good luck. Good bye?
- fingers crossed *
Do it Pax.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 7:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kirk's defense
I’m going to disagree on Kirk’s defense. Wade basically scored on three plays in a row at the end, two of them beating Kirk really badly and one of them a well contested jumper over Rose. Kirk’s steal toward the end was solely the result of Wade fumbling a ball he wouldn’t fumble 99 times out of a hundred. And in those other 99 times, Wade simply got position and dunked it on Kirk. Again.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm wit u Sports2
Kirk Hinrich can’t stop Dwyane Wade. Nobody can. When guys this good decide they are gonna score then it’s game over…unless they’re being defended by a Scottie Pippen, MJ, Gary Payton, in their primes or somebody of that ilk. These are the only type of guys who are as talented defensively as many stars are offensively. Kirk gives it his best effort. He tries his butt off and for that he should be applauded, but his best defensive effort will fall short against the best effort of a guy like Wade 99 of 100 times. Many here seem to think there is a simple answer to dealing with greatness. In the words of the immortal GP, “There is nothing you can do to stop greatness. If a great player messes up, trust me when i say that you didn’t have anything to do with it. Great players mess up from time to time but believe me when i say they’ll be right back”.
Kirk plays hard, but there is nothing at all he can do or could have done to stop D-Wade short of injuring him.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 13, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he did stop him in the playoffs remember
and it seemed like last night, he did a far better job on wade than BG or D-Rose
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by Yibs on Feb 13, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While Kirk wasn't guarding Wade all night
9-23 from the field and 6-6 from the FT line IS stopping Dwayne Wade.
You want him to shoot jumpers and if he makes them then he makes them. It’s the free throw attempts that you want to avoid and he’s not getting those without attacking the rim.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is more
effective than most in the league…..he is a Wade controller, but nobody is a consistent Wade Stopper.
Kirk’s always matched up well against D. Wade….but D. Wade is D. Wade for a reason…
by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree given the results
but I thought Gordon was simply not doing anything to stop Wade. At least Hinrich was trying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VinnyDelShitty has totally lost me 2nd to last night's keeping Rose out at the 4.5 sec mark.
This is the worst bit of coaching I can remember. There is no doubt in my mind that he cannot be a head coach and the two dwarfs next to him were both asleep at the wheel. This game is hard to swallow.
by chgobr on Feb 13, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was sure that VDN was going to have Kirk inbound
bc you want to have a guard inbound in that situation, and you want to have two threats on the floor (Rose, BG)…when I saw Thabo in there I said “Where the fuck is Rose? WHy is Thabo in?” aaaaand then he goes and hands the ball to DWade. sweeeeet.
by E-Grizzle on Feb 13, 2009 8:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why does it come down to one play?
You shouldn’t be that close, at home, against a team with Miami’s record, in the first place!
Make the deal!
by hhirb on Feb 13, 2009 8:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that Miami has a winning record this year
And is several spots higher than the Bulls in the standings?
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 13, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, Miami is better than the Bulls? Wade would be the no-brainer MVP if it weren't for LeBron or Kobe?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The crowd was great last night....
It’s really a shame Vinny had to blow it by micromanaging the end of the game…. has anyone else noticed that even when the team has momentum he’ll call a TO simply because there are about 2 minutes left in the game and it is close? It killed our momentum, especially since the breaks were extra long because the game was on national TV.
by 72-10 on Feb 13, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Do Del and Bernie have any say at all? I can’t believe two coaches with over 60 years of bball experience would allow Vinny to do such a boneheaded move. Are they allowed to say anything…it really doesn’t seem so.
I hate Vinny’s TOs too, they are usually unnecessary and slow any momentum we might have
by C Smoove on Feb 13, 2009 8:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point
Maybe that is what Riensdorf was talking about with the coaching… unfortunately I think we’re stuck with this staff until at least the end of the year.
by 72-10 on Feb 13, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax's choice of VDN makes me seriously question his judgement...
…earlier I thought he just lacked balls, now I think he isn’t a very good judge of character/experience either.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Feb 13, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
pax's coice? or riensdorf's?
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by Yibs on Feb 13, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just when i though vinny was starting to figure things out
any hoo.. steve cashel said on the postgame report he head vinny tlak to deng during a timeout. he was basically in his face telling him that he is the captain of the team, and he needs to get some energy and play his game and help out his teammates.. i guess deng even looked uninterested last night. it seems like it didnt work.
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by Yibs on Feb 13, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why should he have any interest
when Vinny takes him out at all the crucial times in the game…. Even on nights when he plays well. He is your #2 player right and you don’t have him in at the end? I’d rather he inbound the ball then Thabo!
by 72-10 on Feb 13, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where was Luol last night?
28 minutes and only 6 shot attempts? We’re not going to win many games without Luol performing.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 13, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was fine with that
Lu’s been out the end of the last couple of games because he’s played like crap in the early going.
What part of Lu’s history makes you think he’s going to suddenly turn it on in the 4th?
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 13, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What part of our roster
makes you think we should have a different SF out there in crunch time?
--Torch
by torch on Feb 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly... he's the best we have
like it or not.
by 72-10 on Feb 13, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way Lu has looked lately,
I prefer the hated 3 guard lineup for what should have been a final offensive possession.
If Lu’s having even an average game, put him out there. Last night? I don’t have a problem with Vinny holding the more veteran guys accountable for their attitude and effort with playing time, same as he reportedly (and apparently) has with Ty and Joakim.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Feb 13, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus defensive laps and Thabo inbounding pass
last plays as Bulls…
by Jesse07 on Feb 13, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vinny is to blame
I don’t know any NBA coach with half a brain who wouldn’t have his best player on the court at the end of a game.
I wanted to give Vinny a chance, but this move was beyond stupid. He needs to go……soon.
Get Amare, Fire Vinny and lets go get a real coach for this team.
by MarkAllen on Feb 13, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My take
I’m glad we made it interesting an showed some fight to come back although we broke down at the end. DRose played pretty good and he will only get better. Noah had 43 min. and only two fouls I’m impressed although he should have got maybe 2 more put backs and got a double double. Tyrus had a solid game except for the boneheaded turnovers. Ben had a good game its what we come to expect and depend on. Deng one of those non-agressive games maybe Ben was right. I expect more in 28 min. from him as our big contract guy. 2-6 shooting, 3 boards, 1stl, 1 dime. Step your game up. Bench play I mean what do you expect. Kirk had a good game, 4 for 7, 5 dimes(2 TO’s), 2 boards, 1 blk & 3 stls, if he would have hit 1 of his two threes it would have been really good. Noce had an ok game cause he didn’t shoot well at all but he only had 16 min. 0 turnovers & 2 stl, 4 boards. Thabo gets and incomplete, didn’t even get 10 min. of tick. Get to work Pax.
by Ibleedbullsred on Feb 13, 2009 9:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My God, playing Rose was the only thing Vinny was doing right
If he can’t even do that, then what’s the point of keeping him around? Was he trying to throw the game? Not having Rose out there at the end would be a terrible move even if he were having a bad game, but he played well last night.
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is plenty of blame to go around.
Vinny took Rose out for Defense on the play before the inbound, then didn’t put him back it…Tyrus did not rotate to Marion and the Bulls allowed a dunk to end the game…
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by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 13, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus didn't blow it though
At least, IMO he did the right thing in doubling Wade at the perimeter, forcing him to give the ball up. It’s up to the rest of the team (basically Thabo was the only guy in the position) to rotate. He came late, Marion had an easy jam.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever ends up being GM, they need to come up with a plan. That’s the Bulls problem right now. There is no plan. Are we gonna resign Gordon at the end of the year? Is Luol Deng the superstar we thought he was a couple years ago? Can Kirk Hinrich work as a 2 guard. The Bulls are a mess now and it’s only going to get worse in the offseason.
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by dutchboy93 on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I remember when they broke from the timeout
Saying I hope they try something different than having Rose drive to the basket. I was pulling for a Gordon jumpshot. I was definitely surprised to not see rose in the game. I think you put Thabo in there to inbound because he was right next to the scorer’s table with no room to back up and you needed length to get the ball in. Thabo just made a really really bad play. For me its hard to blame VDN on this one.
by oakdale on Feb 13, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it me
or has anybody noticed VDN missmanages his timeouts, the fact that Rose was not in the game should result in a resignation alone, Vinny left his team w/o a timeout to call, because of his constant panicing during the game, thats why you need to save a timeout, Thabo(never should’ve been in the game) was up against the 5second clock, Miami pressed, Thabo had no timeout to call, VDN calls way too many uneccessary timeouts
by LOTP on Feb 13, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doug Thonus is a real dweeb sometimes
http://www.bullsbeat.com/bullsbeat_98.mp3
I know it’s just a throwaway comment, but he summarizes the final sequences against Miami and then concludes “oh well, that’s life, ya know?”.
haha.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sam Smith has a theory
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/asksam_090213.html
Sam: Well, that may be a bit harsh. But it was pretty remarkable given Vinny kept giving the ball to Rose in game ending situations and when I asked him about it after the Detroit game after Rose missed and Gordon made the winner, Vinny said he wanted to keep going to Rose to prepare him better for those moments. My guess is he just forgot. Not a great excuse, especially with the veteran assistants there. I refuse to believe his explanation that Kirk was playing well.
“Oops, I forgot to put my best player back in the game at the end.”
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by Big D on Feb 13, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I posted this morning after seeing Vinny's comments. Re-reading what VDN says to justify his lineup makes me more upset.
At the beginning of the season Rose was supposed to be the go-to guy at he end of games. Recently it was Gordon. What is so obvious to most of us is that you need both of them out there at the end of games. We beat Detroit because Rose commanded so much attention when he drove to the basket allowing Ben to be open to hit the three. Last year Ben had to beat three defenders trying to get open. This year Rose , being another threat opens the court for Gordon. It is beyond belief that Thabo is in there on offense with us needing a basket to win the game instead of Rose.
by chgobr on Feb 13, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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