Amare/Tyrus and Portland trade idea...
by BooRad16 on Feb 11, 2009 3:45 AM CST
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Ok, its 330 am and i haven't been able to stop thinking about the bulls and what we need to do. I was at the game tonight so i may be a little buzzed still in my thinking. I may be sipping on the koolaid that tyrus has been offering the last few games but i would hate to lose him...hate it. I have invested so much energy and attention on him it would be too weird to picture him in another uniform. Ok well on to the point of this post....I want to do a 3 way trade that would involve not losing tyrus or noah but instead trading Deng as the centerpiece (im still obsessed with yaopau's post on busting the luol deng myth) CHI/POR/PHX.
Chicago
Outgoing: Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich
Incoming: Amare Stoudemire, Travis Outlaw, Leandro Barbosa
Portland
Outgoing: Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless, Travis Outlaw, Raef LaFrentz
Incoming: Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich
Phoenix
Outgoing: Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa
Incoming: Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless, Raef LaFrentz
OFFER 1st ROUND PICKS TO SWEETEN DEAL AS NECESSARY
Why the do it....
Chicago:
Get our stud in Amare, get a backup that offers a lot of similarities to Rose in Barbosa and can also help out at SG. Also, with the departure of Deng we have Outlaw coming in to make sure the nocioni doesn't get starter minutes. More positives, still have Hughes and Noc to dangle at the trade deadline, keep our young bigs in Tyrus and Noah. Solid 9 man rotation that will compete in the East for sure with potential for another deal.
PG: Rose,Barbosa
SG: Gordon, Barbosa, Thabo
SF: Outlaw, Thabo, Noc
PF: Amare, TT
C: Noah, Amare
Portland:
Get a starting SF and PG but at the expense of some younger players and expiring contracts. This gives them a great defensive and overall starting five but costs them some depth. Will need help from others to see if they and phoenix do the trade. They do keep Rudy, and Pryz to give them very solid back ups (channing frye as well?)
Phoenix:
Phoenix gets solid and exciting young players as well as incredible cap flexibility and all of this for a player who is out the door. They may get a better offer talent wise but it is hard to imagine they get more than simmons, gooden and lafrentzs contracts. Again, need input from others if this is enough for Phoenix. I think I would offer a 1st rounder top 5 protected from either portland or chicago (probably chicago)
This is the deal i would do AS A BULLS FAN. Would love to hear what other bulls fans think and especially blazers and suns fans.
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i love it...
but chances of this working arrrrrrrrrrreeeee remote (yes red roof inn commercial from ’05 comcast)
As a Bulls fan
I like it too! (Deng has been my fav, BTW)
POR has to want Hinrich and Deng more than Bayless/Batum. Maybe, it’s a lot of money though. (I know the owner is or was a billionaire.) I think those particular kids have strong defensive potential, more than most of their other guys. But I’ve not seen a lot of POR games.
But man, as a Suns fan this is gonna be seen as another totally bad move for $$$. Stat and Barbs are the guys to build around for the future. What chance that Batum and Bayless and whatever the draft picks bring are gonna come close to what was lost doing this??? Nice expiring contracts though. Wooopppeee!!!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Bayless has looked really good
this year on the Blazers. And Batum is nice.
It’s true, though, they won’t get the team to the playoffs this year.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Bingo
They are both good defenders for rookies. But we will struggle this year (in the playoffs) giving 4 rookies heavy minutes.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 6:10 AM CST up reply actions
I'm on the fense.
OPTION A. Rose, BG, Deng, Amar’e, Noah. Bench – Hinrich, Noc, Gray, Simmons.
or
OPTION B. Rose, BG, Outlaw, Amar’e, Noah. Bench – Tyrus, Barbosa, Noc, Gooden, Thabo.
On the surface, one might think option B, but I don’t want TT playing 12-14 minutes again playing behind Amar’e. I guess you could play Noah 30 at C and Amar’e 18 at C while getting TT 30 at PF and Amar’e 18 at PF. Maybe I am talking myself into this. I think I like it. Barbosa would be a much better “fall-back” SG if BG leaves then Kirk. OK, I’m with you!
In the case of option B...
…it’s time to let Tyrus play some small forward.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 11, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
Like it. I want to see Tyrus do the same thing against Orlando, Boston and the Lakers then I will be convinced. I have mix feelings now though. But Thomas has put up 6 double doubles in the last 7 games and missed one with 9 rebounds and his points have gone up in the last two games.. That’s the most consisent he has been his whole career. He also gets clutch block shots. So Deng seems like the odd man out. Maybe we can get a star for him Kirk and a first rounder, that’s if Tyrus can play the small forward position.
Tyrus has been pushing Deng to become the 4th option on O
It might sound ridiculous but look at the number of touches. Plus TT gets the ball when the team needs things to happen Deng doesn’t.
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Feb 11, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
it would be nice if Deng was actually in the game to get a touch
he can’t do anything if he’s not in the game.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Expect a post-trade-deadline FanPost: Thomas to be No. 2 option!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
"Gordon sat in fourth quarter for Nocioni at the 2!"
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
We can't have both TT and Amare.
C’mon people… They’re both true 4s, and if TT is good enough for us to want to hold on to OVER deng, then shouldn’t he be a starter? How do you think he’ll feel being a backup? He’s shown flashes of brilliance when he start and plays many minutes.
Then if we manage to resign Amare long term after next season, you think TT’s going to resign to back him up? No, he’ll be gone…
Ok, well then tell me the solution to the fact that they both play 4 and there's only 48 min in a game?
And don’t say Amare at C, because he hates playing center and don’t say TT at the 3 bc that’s ridiculous.
I like it
But don’t see it happening because PHX seems to get shafted. Amare has a lot of love in the league, and Steve Kerr knows this— He’d pretty much be blowing up the team for this deal, and Shaq and Nash would be unhappy campers to deal with. Not good.
Kerr would have to have a nother deal working to get a big name or lots of talent in before the deadline to keep the peace at home.
Although I like PHX getting lefrentz’s contact as a sweetener…
Press the trade button. At this point no one will be missed!
Just want to make sure, you're going to remember Gordon's game winner last night, right?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I posted one of these on a fanshot. Seems like these 3 teams could do something
Something along the lines of this one but smaller could work….
If the link doesn’t work. Here’s the summary:
Bulls get – Amare, Rudy Fernandez, Steve Blake, Channing Frye’s expiring deal
Blazers get – Hinrich, Deng, Barbosa
Suns get – Tyrus, Bayless, Gooden’s expiring deal, Raef’s expiring deal
This one’s probably too extreme but gets everybody close to what they want I think…
*Portland becomes really good right away while staying young.
*Phoenix gets 2 expiring deals and 2 good young players in Tyrus and Bayless
*Chicago gets a star to pair with Rose in Amare, sheds Kirk’s contract for a cheaper backup point guard in Blake, and gets another potential great wing in Fernandez who has the upside of Deng without the contract. They don’t win right away but have better building blocks and more cap flexibility over the next few years with a shot for even another guy in 2010.
Bulls New Lineup
1 Rose
2 Gordon
3 Fernandez
4 Stoudemire
5 Noah
Rotation: Blake, Thabo, Nocioni, Frye
Bench: Gray, Hughes, Hunter, Simmons
Blazers New Lineup
1 Hinrich
2 Roy
3 Deng
4 Aldridge
5 Oden
Rotation: Barbosa, Webster, Outlaw, Pryzbilla
Bench: Rodriguez, Batum, Diogu, Frye
Suns New Lineup
1 Nash
2 Richardson
3 Hill
4 Thomas
5 Shaq
Rotation: Bayless, Barnes, Amundsen, Gooden
Bench: Lopez, Dudley, Tucker, Dragic, LaFrentz
I would do this.
But on a small point, Batum is starting for Portland, so I would say you have him a little low on the depth chart. Rodriquez is starting too, but Barbosa might get the back-up PG minutes behind Kirk.
Sergio is only starting because Blake has a dislocated shoulder (will be back the first game after the all-star break)
Sergio will never be a career starter on any team in the NBA. Batum is only starting because of Martell Webster’s broken foot. He very well could be a starter, but is giving the Blazers very little on the offensive end and not playing heavy minutes. I don’t think Barbosa does anything for Portland. We play the slowest pace in the league and he struggles in the half court sets, and KP is very very high on Rudy.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
I like it
This might not happen, its a good trade, everybody wins, nobody is getting fleeced, and everybody improves
As mainly a Portland fan with the Bulls coming in as my favorite East Coast team: Hahahahhahahaha
This deal has zero chance of happening
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
When did Chicago move to the east coast?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 12, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
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