Bulls 107, Pistons 102: For Bulls past and future
What a night to be at the United Center. I don't really spend too much time thinking or caring about Bulls history (or more accurately: further deifying the dynasty era), but it is kind of cool to root for a team with a real tradition and stature like the Bulls. The halftime ceremony honoring Johnny Red Kerr was really well done.
Kerr himself looked a bit frail (there have been reports of recently failing health) but did manage to speak at the end, culminating a celebration of his career that featured speakers like David Stern, Dolph Shayes, Jerry Colangelo, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, and John Paxson. I believe I can officially call him 'embattled' GM John Paxson (at least with the public), as he received some jeers before speaking. There was also a surprise video message from President Obama. Though even that announcement took a back seat in terms of applause for the ovations (and flashing cameras) that Pippen and Jordan received. I thought both did a great job with their speeches: short, genuine, deferential, and appreciative of an original Chicago Bull.
So after that emotional high it almost felt like an afterthought that the current Bulls had a 2nd half to play against the Pistons. And when the Pistons came out with a 34 point quarter, it's looked like Red's ceremony would be the highlight of the night.
I actually thought that the BuIls weren't being too awful defensively in that quarter (though all game Hamilton and Prince treated the Bulls wings like it was 2007), but Rasheed Wallace was hitting some very tough shots...so I didn't think it was time to panic, as it seemed like Vinny did when having neither Rose, Gordon, nor Thomas on the floor for an extended stretch to end the 3rd and start the 4th.
And then playing Nocioni the last 15 minutes of the game...sitting their $12m franchise SF...
...but it didn't hurt them. Somehow. Prince made Noc look foolish on a couple of occasions but he wasn't attacked as consistently as I feared (and Noc did have a good first half shooting the ball, and while he didn't do much in this oddly long stint to close the game they did make a major run with him on the court). So with the Pistons getting a bit cold, Noah doing a great job rebounding, Tyrus attacking the rim (10-13 from the line, 22 and 10 in 41 minutes. I think we can all stop acting surprised at good play now), it set the stage for Rose and Gordon to take over the game late, scoring 17 out of the Bulls final 21 points.
Rose once again was not that aggressive early, and it looked like another game where he wouldn't be getting to the line. But the final quarter he really took it to the Pistons interior defense, and I thought he was fouled on his final attempt, though he got his own rebound and found Ben Gordon in the corner, who hit the 3 falling out bounds and completed a 4 point play: his 2nd late-game 4 point play this season. Taking the Bulls from a 1-point deficit to a 3-point lead. A simply amazing finish.
Though even at it's worst tonight, it felt like with a bit of a run the Pistons were indeed catchable. They just seem like a team that's ready to fold at any point, and with Iverson out they didn't seem sure of who to go to down the stretch. Sheed forced things, Rip made an extra pass that wound up out of bounds, and they could not keep Derrick Rose out of the lane.
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I was thinking before the game
it may be the last time I see him as a Bull in person.
;-( <—— bittersweet tears
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I
recorded the game thinking along these same lines! I’m metaphorically holding my breath for the next, what, nine days….
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
i've been sayin this since the Amare trade came up
and it seems like only a few of us are on the same boat.
by i_like_turtles on Feb 11, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
Sorta true
But, I never thought Noah was doing anything but. I think that they’re just getting better with playing time. Noah seems 100% team oriented to me (he should be, his one on one game is pretty weak).
by California Al on Feb 11, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Had to be just an incredible game to be at...
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
Man...I was thinking about getting tickets...
MJ,Pippen and all Bulls elite at the same time,Obama on the screen,gallon of heineken…Ugh!!!!
And Bulls beating fucking “bad boys”…PRICELESS.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 11, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
The only thing that could have made it better
would be if it was ‘Sheed that f’d up the game for Detroit. Oh, wait, never mind, it couldn’t have been better!
by California Al on Feb 11, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
it was an unbelievable game
obviously the best game of the year and it was sad to see so many empty seats and so many pistons fans
this shit should have been hard to get tickets to i only paid $23 for nose bleeds but moved up to like the 5th row in 300 level.
by i_like_turtles on Feb 11, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think that the hardcore Bulls fans just have to come to grips with the fact that Chicago
is just not a basketball town, and people here are unappreciative of all the great things that this franchise has accomplished. Sad but true. Maybe more Big Macs would have helped the ceremony…
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2009 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
We seem to be
more popular outside of the city (LA, New York, Houston, etc etc etc) than we’d be here.
Bulls just need to consisntely win again to get that mojo. I think the letting MJ era go as dramatically as we did coupled with the lock out and the complete ineptness of especially the Floyd era Bulls, killed us from being a big citywide phenomenon.
If the Bulls win again we’ll be loved again. We were just starting to get local buzz after the Miami ouster in the playoffs and the talk of us being a powerhouse in th eleague, when complete ineptitude of last year began and took the wishy washy folks by storm, causing them to turn away….
Bravo
It was pathetic when the city failed to support some really good pre-MJ teams. Of course, the blessing for the hardcore is that you can go watch this team play anytine you want.
by California Al on Feb 11, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
That sucks.
That there were a bunch of empty seats, especially on the Red Kerr night.
I would have loved to go, but seeing as I work 25 mins the opposite way from my house, and my wife does the same, I’d have to head to my house to walk the dog and then head down to the city (going completely out of my way)…..
So I was pissed when they made the Red Kerr day a weekday. Why not a Saturday night game, televised on WGN no less (I mean I’m sure WGN would love to televise that event with MJ and Scottie and Jerry Colangelo talking. It’s so rare now to see MJ speak, it’s crazy, I was a bit nostalgic.
Wish Scottie would pull up a chair on the assistant sidelines…..
I actually thought the crowd was hotter than most nights
I think the Bulls are starting with the discounts, so the upper deck was filled more than usual. And there was a solid Pistons contingent.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
My college was giving tickets away for free
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 11, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I will agree it was hot...
but there weren’t that many more hot girls than normal. Lots of hot girls are always at the Bulls game, but I’m sure the weekend games are hotter or have been from what I remember.
The reason it might have been filled up a little more than usual is the amount of pistons fans. This means it was a normal or pretty dismal night at the UC in terms of attendance this year, and that should not be the case with the Rd Kerr honoring and MJ and Pippen being there.
by i_like_turtles on Feb 11, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean attractiveness
(though you could’ve been joking)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
sarcasm..
i haven’t seen that term used in that sense before
by i_like_turtles on Feb 12, 2009 2:54 AM CST up reply actions
I was surprised to see Kerr that way; that tribute actually did bring back some memories
On a bit of a random note I wonder if Vinny and the gang are still thinking about that timeout by the Heat last game.
I was lucky enough to be at the game,
as my brother got me tickets for my birthday. Taking into account the actual game AND the halftime ceremonies, that was one of the greatest events I ever attended. Basketball-wise, it was a sick game and Tyrus had maybe the greatest rebound I’ve seen in my entire life.
This game will be lodged in my memory for a long time.
It was just a great overall game. Come from behind victory. Thomas/Noah putting in great performances, as well as Rose. Ben Gordon with the game winner on a four point play. Can’t really ask for much more out of a basketball game.
Then the Redd ceremony was great. Jordan with the resin. Obama on video message. It was a shame to see Kerr have to be in that stretcher thing. I was glad that he was able to speak, after having his son do the original speech.
As long as I’ve been watching the Bulls, Johnny Red Kerr has been part of the experience. I must say, that even though he was a little out of it during some of the games last season, and during those third quarter reports at the beginning of this year, the game’s just aren’t the same without him. (I wish we could get Larivee back as well). I know some people hated watching the Bulls broadcasts, but it was always good imo, to have one of the biggest Bulls fans commentating on the game. The way he got excited during the Bulls resurgence years was terrific, especially when Gordon was at his best making the big shots, and of course against Miami in the playoffs.
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We were all blessed by Johnny's announcing
One favorite of mine was an MJ moment against Miami when he skied over their center to slam it. Red calling the replay: “Watch this! How high can you…? Yeeeoowwwwww!” Chicago’s had two of the greatest in Brickhouse and Carry; add Johnny to that list.
by California Al on Feb 11, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
I love the MJ comeback game winner against the Hawks
and Red yells: “He IS NOW BACK!!…Holy mackerel!”
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Yes!
This team has heart. Unlike last year where they would have folded once they were down ten in the 4th. We kept fighting.
Noah is gonna be a rebounding machine next year. Tyrus is gonna be Amare-lite on offense but with actual D and rebounding too
If anyone should go, let Deng, Hinrich, Noc and Gooden walk.
This team has played its way back into my heart. Let’s make a run at the playoffs. Now if we had won that Dallas game.
I agree
TT is just turning the corner and I can’t see him playing in another uniform. Plus I don’t know if that surgery that Amare had for his knee would haunt the Bulls in the future if a trade would happen. I wish there was a Rose/TT pick and roll play that would be run consistently as we all are looking for since the beginning of the season.
Rose/TT pick and roll
Damn straight you’d be seeing a lot of that now if D’Antoni was coach. Have patience though, VDN might turn out better…..
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
I wish I saw the game last night
… I only saw the highlights from youtube. Rose and TT were so emotionally charged after DRose passed the ball to BG and TT’s rebound over Wallace. We need to see these kids grow, get hungry for a championship because they have so much talent. I’d be happy if Deng was shipped out but the Suns want TT it seems. We’ll cross our fingers.
encouraging play
the bulls definitely earned that one, but a part of me also thinks that ‘Detwa’ blew that game at the end. that team is really missing Chauncey. i thought at the time that they would decline when they let Ben Wallace walk, that he was the heart and soul of a team that played great team defense. i’m really seeing now that Billups was the leader of that team.
(oh, and i took the ‘Wallace’ off the back of my Bulls jersey)
Tyrus’ performance tonight really makes me think about this potential trade. if it happens, Lu and Noah cannot be included. Tyrus is at his highest value at this moment as far as a trade is concerned. UUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! i don’t even wanna speculate anymore about it. i just wanna wake up next friday and find out what happened.
and i made sure to put the ‘Turbo-Lax’ into D-Wade’s coffee before he leaves miami, so he can’t get off the toilet for the next two days. Beat those Heat!!!
MJ said not to give the ball to Bill Cartwright late in games. do you blame him??
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 11, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions
Hey,
Dumars went and shook things up. I just knew it was a terrible trade….
And nice(!) with the sabotage there.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
i'm hoping, for their sake...
that Detwa is banking on 2010. Stuckey and Maxiell aren’t bad players and Tayshaun and Rip still got plenty to go. i think they can remain competitive, but i don’t think their an elite team anymore.
and yeah, i thought poison, but i don’t wanna KILL our future SG. so just keep him down long enough for us to beat them.
MJ said not to give the ball to Bill Cartwright late in games. do you blame him??
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 11, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And Denver is much better team with Billups.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 11, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
yup
who woulda thought that guy would end up being that kind of team leader? seems like he gained the most from that championship experience.
MJ said not to give the ball to Bill Cartwright late in games. do you blame him??
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 11, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
i'm starting to think he's gonna be a HOF-er
with such a track record of leadership, constant EC-finals appearances, Finals MVP. If he gets Denver deep in the playoffs, HOF-er for sure.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
I don't know yet
if he’s a Hall of Famer….but yeah if Denver makes it to the WCF he’s really damn close, and if he wins another ring as a starter/6th man (major contributor) he’s in.
Just a damn good player though.
Billups would
have bailed out this detroit team with a big three down the stretch. he always seemed to get better at the end of games, while Rip and Sheed, while both very (possibly more) talented, have always looked a bit inconsistent with the game on the line, almost refusing to take over, to be the man.
the dillema facing pax right now is
whether to let tyrus go or not. Hes been playing well as of late, but i still kinda get the feeling that we need amare. But then again, seeing tyrus in this game, we all kinda saw a glimpse of what he can be and what he can or might do in the future. Are we gonna wait for a couple of more years, to see if tyrus can really be the player we had hoped he can become, and win in the process, or are we gonna try to move him now, while he has stacked his value and try to get a superstar. The key is winning.
Getting Amare would suddenly transform us into a playoff team, and would provide us the need that we have been looking for these past few years, but when you look at Tyrus, hes been improving. What to do, What to do Pax….
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by broseleay301 on Feb 11, 2009 12:47 AM CST reply actions
TT made it easier for Pax to keep Noah if trade will happen.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Decisions, decisions
I don’t think Amare is a piece that is gonna really get you ahead. Will he make us a playoff team yeh, but he’s nowhere near a franchise player. If he was so great, then why does everyone in Phoenix want him gone so bad? Nash and Stoudamire and Marion won nothing so I don’t think Amare and Rose is gonna do much, maybe get to the second round.
I’m still 60/40 towards getting Amare….but at this point we want to pair Rose with another star. Derrick’s gonna be in his prime in 4 years when Amare will be 30 with TWO bad knees. TWO fucked up knees. Knee problems will ALWAYS shorten one’s career.
If it was Bosh available, then I would have made the trade yesterday. Tyrus has shown a similar skill set to Amare with some actual defense and rebounding. There’s something about Amare’s game I just don’t like. Plus he’s gonna want the max and he definitely doesn’t deserve the max.
Will Tyrus keep this improved play up or will he underachieve again. Personally I think he finally gets what he needs to do to be effective for the most part. He is going to be better than LMA.
If possible, I would trade Deng first. At best he is a slightly above average SF, those come dime a dozen.
definitely agree about knees shortening career
what i don’t want is then if Pax doesn’t pull the trigger everyone gets on him for ‘standing pat’ with the players he’s fallen in love with. the problem is that if you wanna dump guys like Gooden, Hughes, & Noc, those are big contracts so other big contracts are gonna have to be involved, and that means good players, and that means we have to return equal value, and that means Tyrus/Noah/Deng. round and round. exactly why i can’t take thinking about this trade anymore. i’m bald enough as it is. i’m slowly starting to feel that Rose/Tyrus/Noah (with other pieces) is gonna be good.
MJ said not to give the ball to Bill Cartwright late in games. do you blame him??
by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 11, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Exactly, if he doesn’t do the deal, Pax will get crucified.
Something about the trade just doesn’t sit with me.
I just think Amare will be here for a year and then go elsewhere or get injured or just keep being the non-rebounding/defending selfish prick he has been. So we’re giving up Tyrus for a year of Amare….not worth it.
The thing many don't understand is Tyrus can choose to leave too
It’s not like if we keep Tyrus, he’ll give us a home town discount for NOT trading him.
He knows his value is starting to gain buzz around the league. You think the Deng and Gordon negotiations were tough? Heh, Tyrus is gonna ask for his share of the pie too when he’s allowed to
he still won't command a max deal in the open market. especially if the economy is still in the tank
(I hope it’s not, but who knows?)
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by fundamentallysound on Feb 11, 2009 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
Is he really?
I don’t see a lot of it, but would like to see it.
Do you have any analyst links?
Tyrus seems to be the forgotten engine who can completely blow up.
I don't know about that...
He does not become an unrestricted free agent until 2011…A lot can happen between now and then…and if he consistently can get 18/10, teams will be willing to overpay for his services…Hopefully the Bulls can extend him this Summer on the cheap.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
If he plays as well
for the entire next season as he’s done the past 7-8 games, he’s getting maxed out. If he plays that well for say 60 games he’s getting maxed out (cuz he still has upside and will be 23).
He’s just so freakishly athletic…..and it seems he’s learning how to use that athletiicsm and raw skills into basketball….
I don’t think he’ll do it, and thus I think we might nab him for a CHANDLER esque extension, especially because of the very inconsistent play the first few years….but if he keeps thi sup who knows. His upside is far greater than Tyson ever was (Tyson always was a good player might be an alls tar someday (and I think Tyson should have been an all star last year, but had serious limitations). Tyrus’s real limitations are all in feel and a tendency to overplay. On pure skill level he’s got all the necessary tools to be a superstar, just doesn’t still yet know how to put it together (and may not).
His value in his extension keeps climbing and climbing.
As far as Detroit goes
Joe knew this team wasn’t going to win again, he did a mini-blow up. He just wanted Iverson’s contract which will expire. It’s true even with Billups, the Pistons were now a second tier team in the East. No chance to beat the Celtics or Cavs
The Pistons window was 90% closed so Joe D just said fuck it and is starting over, building around Stuckey, Prince, Hamilton and he’ll try to get a 2010 star.
I think also
blaming their record all on A.I. is a bit much. True Billups was underrated, but this Detroit team overachieved in their regular season record last year, had Sheed pondering retirement after this year (And not seeming into it from the start), had Rip be exposed as not quite as good as his 2 time all star rap (Even though Rip was solid yesterday).
This is a team that was on the decline the past 3 years, and they’re finally hitting hte decline and have a rookie head coach to boot.
I do think if the Bulls keep this play up that Vinny ain’t the worst rookie coach in the league (Michael Curry), his team is far more veteran lead and experienced to fall as precipitously as they seem.
I’ve seen reports on how they are still employing the slow paced Billups induced offense, despite having Stuckey and especially A.I. (two speedy guards) on the team who will excel int he up tempo…..
I like the way Vinny and the crew seems to have gotten through to Rose (marked improvement the past month overall and on D, though he still has room to grow on D. He’s passing far more often and working well with his team, and that’s a change the past month from early Derrick. He also seems to have learned to throw new things out there that defenses didn’t expect. I know some of that’s on Derrick, but some seems to be on the coaching crew too.
Plus Vinny seems to have cracked the uncrackable (Tyrus THomas), and to say given how poorly and inconsistently Tyrus played earlier this year and in the past that this was going to happen, might be a bit much, it could have happened, but the dramatic improvement after the last round of too much Noc’s/Gooden’s and Gray’s has to be on Vinny to a large degree.
And Vinny’s tactics are working on Noah too, who has consistently brought that energy and tried to be more a force on the offense with those one dribble athletic dunk moves he’s incorporating.
The rotations suck, but from a development standpoint, hooray to VDN so far….
I used to say he was trying to build chemistry and get us to have a leader or two on the court rather than have the coach (Skiles) be the leader, and suddenly it’s clicking.
We don’t just look like a collection of talented but misfitted (imagine what they’d be on the competitor’s teams) we’re looking like a vibrant, up coming, young hard playing team still seeking some depth in the backcourt, but overall pretty decent as the bigs bulk up and the rook matures.
Now we have to see if it sticks.
i'm starting to get second thoughts about trading Thomas and/or Noah
Noah to a lesser extent, but both of them are really coming on lately. And this time, it doesn’t seem like a fluke. I still want Amar’e, but less and less with each great performance by our frontcourt.
At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated
glad to see...
that people are coming around to what a few of us have been saying since the rumors started
TT is playing at Amare level right now…i am comparing both of them right now not Amare last year or TT 2 months ago. Right now.
by i_like_turtles on Feb 11, 2009 4:37 AM CST up reply actions
im worried
i do not want to see our team blown up for amare, he is over-hyped and overvalued because of being a product of the d’antoni coaching (that offensive scheme that even makes duhon look like nash).. i think on a team that actually uses the shot clock a little bit more he will be a cancer. i mean at least ben wallace played defense. he is the complete opposite of wallace in my mind, he gives you offense with nothing else, so i consider him not worth what he will demand besides he is a very one dimensional player, that is going to have an injury riddled career. as much as i would hate to see tyrus go something about the thought of him on the weak side of shaq gives me wet dreams about his future value. i hope that tyrus has earned the right for his name to be pulled out of this trade
Don't worry,
you rock! Welcome to the blog!
Remember that game against the 76ers early last season, when you rebounded and made an outlet pass that was either between your legs, the defender’s legs, or both? Then got a Sportscenter dunk on the other end? Man, that was awesome!
And one question: I know a lot of athletes refer to themselves in the third person, but you’re including wet dreams too! I just want to know, is your head on straight?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Feb 11, 2009 5:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One thing is certain. At their best, the combination of Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah...
….is better than Amare Stoudemire on his own. So in the event a deal is made, I DEFINITELY don’t move them both.
I mean last night they combined for 34 pts and 26 rebounds. Now Stoudemire can get you the 34 pts, but Thomas and Noah are far better rebounders and far more committed defenders at this point. Man, with they’re play lately, Thomas and Noah have definitely put Paxson in a bind and given him something to think about. But when Pax gambled on Thomas over Aldridge, this is the type of play he gambled on.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 11, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
Amare won't sniff 34 points
if Tyrus and Noah are both gone. He’ll foul his way to the bench playing in the Eastern Conference for three quarters of his games played.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
now you're just being silly.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Chris Duhon
Only looks like Nash if you want to look at his improvement in assists….
He’s not even close. His best PER (this year) is 13.9, he’s on a team that has more offensive players than maybe the Suns did who play absolutely no defense whatsoever, so he might even have a few more opps to pad the assists than Nash did, as at least the Suns had Marion and Bell wasting some signficant energy on D.
Nash was 16 pts 10 assists guy his last year in Dallas and a 20 PER (no D’Antoni system) and had similar production on the rise in Dallas the few years prior to that.
He moved to Phx and became an even better player in that system (much as the always good Pau did in Phil Jackson’s triangle), but he was already an all star caliber player beforehand.
And he had 20-24 PER’s for 5-6 years before this latest somewhat injury hampered and also major team chemistry hampered season (where he still has a 17 PER).
Nash is an all star, deserved his MVP’s. he is no Duhon.
Quick question-
is Derrick okay after that hit to the head?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
If
you’re asking that question of Tyrus, I’m guessing maybe he went to bed?
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cool thanks
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That's a relief
The highlights looked bad. Unfortunately I extended my DVR for 45 minutes and it cut off right as Gordon got the ball for that shot. I was so freaking pissed, and I didn’t know if BG passed, shot, made it or dribbled it off his foot :).
Unfortunately I have the Dish and that 2 tv thing on the dish is far inferior to the DirectTV’s DVR (which I had until July) because the Dish you can’t on the same TV you are recording flip the channel, it doesn’t record what’s on the channel you were watching if you move to what’s been recorded, so essentially if you record something that ends, you lost out.
I was like, damn we were down like 10-12 pts with 4 minutes left and then started to blow up and annihilate the Pistons, but were still down by 1 with 40 seconds. I imagined we lost and was even more pissed to see we won and how we won.
At least I read that in a couple of places no exact qoutes but yep
I use to have umm Comcast so of course expensive and then it decides when it’ll work or not.
844 consecutive games played by Johnny "Red" Kerr
This is hall of fame material by itself. No chance any player today plays every game for 10 straight seasons.
And he did with bus travel.
Enshrine this man.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 8:17 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
17 4th quarter free throw attempts
In other words, stops that lead to transitions that lead to attacking the rim that get you to the line. In the half court, again, attacking the rim at will to get to the line. Free throw attempts are the best way to get back into a game when you’re down late, but none of that matters if you can’t get stops.
While the Pistons are clearly an aging front line, they are still able rebounders at both ends. What they don’t have is any shot blocking presence in the paint. Their best option is weak side help from Prince or amazing man to man defense.
The Pistons really got hot from the field in the third and good passing through 9 assists will get you the best looks. The only thing we could do to stop that was shift to a zone to force the ball into Stuckey’s hands. Let him go to work turn it over.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
a few of things about Gordon
1st – The out-of-timeout play where Rose hit the shot that made the score 102-101, Detroit. The ENTIRE play, Gordon was standing in the corner (the same corner where he hit the 3 later). He did not move one inch. Are people seeing this stuff? This is the stuff that our coaching staff is drawing up? It’s been said all season, but it has to be said again…why are you completely removing your leading scorer and best offensive threat from the play? Can a couple of screens be set for him at the very least?
2nd – The last play where Gordon hit the 3 and was fouled. AGAIN, he was confined to the same damn corner. IMO, the Rose shot on this possession was a force, which Sheed was able to block. Only by luck was he able to recover the ball and then he dished it out to Ben. It’s almost like the staff don’t want Gordon to have any chances to do anything at the end.
3rd – The offensive/defensive substitutions. This is now a farce. It makes no sense to take out Gordon and replace him with Kirk, all the while leaving in Rose and Noc. Gordon’s defense, while certainly far from great, is at this point in time head and shoulders above both Rose’s and Noc’s defense. So why leave those two in and continue to take Ben out? Gordon forced Hamilton into a couple of tough shots down the stretch. He did all he could to keep chasing him around and through the screens. Why not just leave him in? To continue to sub out Ben, but leave in Noc and Rose on defense is a joke. One possession in the 4th, Noc literally walked and invited Tayshaun Prince to the basket and later asked him “do you need any more help later?” This is the kind of stuff that gets overlooked.
Don’t get me wrong. It was an emotional win. An emotional night period. Great game.
But I can’t believe I’m going to say this, but I honestly don’t want Ben to return next season, IF they are going to continue treating him this way. Gordon has been nothing but professional, but to keep getting shown the disrespect that he does, it’s unbelieveable. All my years of watching basketball I’ve never seen a player of his caliber continue to keep getting yanked around like they do with him. Ben just continues to smile, play hard, and win games for the Bulls.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
Ben Gordon had 5 turnovers at that point. He’s out there to spread the floor, not receive the ball and start dribbling his way into losing the game. He’s a shooter. He gets placed on the margins of the strategy because he’s most effective there and less effective doing anything else.
I still like Gordon and think he can contribute, but looking forward it is going to be in a capable, but restrictive role that will allow some flexibility for him to create on his own when we’re down big.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
you're really gonna trash his effort by mentioning his TOs?
that’s classic knee-jerk. And again, you should re-read my post because nowhere in there did I say that Ben should be dribbling the ball and creating the play. I said that he should be INVOLVED in the play, not just standing in the corner doing nothing.
What’s wrong with setting a screen or two for him and trying to get him open?
I knew that SOMEONE (didn’t think it’d be you) would read that and somehow interpret it as me saying that I want Ben to create the last play.
You’re really saying that our leading scorer should have a restricted role? Seriously. What other team’s leading scorer would you say that about? That’s pretty much bullshit any way you want to spin it.
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The Pistons were slow/old footed in the 4th quarter
The strategy was evident. Get back into the game by scoring with the clock stopped and getting stops on defense. Gordon helps tremendously in this area. He just doesn’t help nearly as much when the ball is in his hands. The defense cannot leave him alone. He’s a shooter. We wanted to open the lane for high post-Rose handling to create the screen and slips for Noah and Thomas. Gordon camped in the corner is necessary to run this play.
I do think the use of Gordon would have been different if Luol Deng was in the game. But he sat for all but the first 115 seconds of the 4th quarter for reasons I do not know. I suppose I could say he’s Mr. Disappearance in the 4th, but Deng has really brought much in the last two games. Maybe Vinny needed more fist pump in our sets.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
yeah but that "play" is the problem
On the last play of the game (or last two), I’m not running screen and slips for my big men…I’m getting my leading scorer and deadliest threat involved. Yes, that WAS the strategy for most of the 4th. But the strategy should’ve changed for the final couple of offensive sets, plain and simple. You don’t leave the game in Noah’s or Tyrus’ hands at that point. You create with Rose and get something for Gordon.
You fail to see a problem with running offensive sets that keep a team’s leading scorer out of the play in every capacity. I don’t.
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We were setting Rose up for dribble penetration
Was that a bad strategy?
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by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
NO, not in itself
but I’d rather have him dribble penetrate, AT THE SAME TIME, with something being set for BG. Again, is it too much to ask for one screen to be set for Ben?
And actually it COULD be a bad strategy when everyone in the gym, most notably the opposing team, knows that it’s going to happen.
The first part of the last play was close to disastrous. It just happened that his blocked shot fell back into his hands.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
meh
It was exactly what we wanted. Rose, with the ball, attacking the rim, with one old man that’s tall protecting it. We were down 1 point. Layup, dunk, whatevs. Just get it in the paint. Rose also is a more controlled penetrator. Notice how he’s not licking the floor after he drives unless he gets hammered?
Rose is also less of a threat off the ball in terms of stretching the defense. He’s not a 3 point threat so it’s giving away a few extra feet of space we would receive if Gordon is the one on the perimeter.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
"it was exactly what we wanted"
yeah ok. We wanted Rose taking another forced shot at the end of the game without his head up looking for his teammates. Yep, sounds like the plays that champs are made of.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
He had the rim
He shouldn’t look anywhere else unless the defense collapses on him.
Do you have DVR? I replayed that drive a few times to watch Derrick’s head to see if he was looking for passing lanes. He wasn’t. After he grabbed his own rebound, on the way down he was scanning the floor for passing lanes. He did find Gordon. He found him because after the rebound he scanned to his right, saw Stuckey standing there doing nothing(Stuckey should have moved his position to the baseline to trap Rose) and Gordon grazing to his right to get into the corner to CREATE the passing lane.
I may have just watched this play more than you. I don’t think this is that big a deal, but I do think the strategy using Rose to do what Rose can do is what we should be trying to do all the time when we gotta get 2 or 2 attempts at the line.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
And Gordon still hit the big shot
Something I really don’t want anyone else on the team taking not named Derrick Rose.
I just know Ben really didn’t do too much beyond his role as an effective decoy in the 4th quarter. That’s good. Had we gone to him more we probably lose the game.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
completely disagree
First of all, Ben ran at least two screen and slips with Tyrus in the 4th (just as you said Rose ran them). Second, he knocked down some FTs and hit a couple of shots, most notably the game winner. So to call his 4th qtr performance as being an “effective decoy” is simply wrong, not to mention, dumb.
And to say that they would’ve lost if he got the ball more is one of the most illogical blanket statements that I’ve heard in awhile.
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Ben Gordon was 2-8 in the 2nd half
1-5 during the 3rd when we were killed. He was 0-2 in his extended stretch in the 4th, but did secure 4 FTA and made them all. He then hit the 3 with under a minute to play.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
so you just said that the strategy was to run screen and slips
but you bag on Gordon for going 0-2 in the 4th. You can’t be on both sides of the fence. Choose one and stay there.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm bagging on Gordon's shot makes, mostly misses,
to counter what you think should have been happening to bring us a win.
Gordon can get us back into games and extend existing leads, but he’s a liability if we’re staring at 5 point differentials with the ball in his hands.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
i give up
because you didn’t read a word of what I said. You’re too busy being an ass. Not one time did I mention that Gordon should be creating the play or have the ball starting in his hands…yet you keep going back to that in order to prove your “point”…which really isn’t a point, it’s just an excuse to bag on Ben.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
No
But you did say it was illogical for me to suggest that putting the ball in Gordon’s hands would have led to more turnovers.
Turnovers
Gordon: 5
Rose: 0
One’s due. The other just does it. Which history are you going to choose?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
you did not say turnovers, you said the game itself
this is what you said: “Had we gone to him more we probably lose the game.”
I refuse to let you keep making an ass out of yourself, so please stop now.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
read the post before that
Turnovers were indeed mentioned.
Feel free to pretend the context of discussion ends with each post and starts anew with each reply.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
comprehension does wonders
I said it was illogical for you to say that Ben having the ball more would result in a loss. I never said anything about turnovers. Again, you brought up turnovers only when seeing how dumb your argument was.
So feel free to pretend that whatever you say is some witty comeback to a “point” that you have previously made.
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by NormVanBeer on Feb 11, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
That makes up for anything
prior. He made the shots when they mattered most and was the game MVP for it.
and yes you are right
he IS a shooter…so get him open and let him shoot! Don’t make him stand in a corner with his hands down.
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Sad that Ben gets no love because he is a cold-blooded assassin on the court
and quiet off the court.
If Ben showed more histrionics, he would likely have a new contract. His professionalism and hard work has not been rewarded so far by Paxdorf. :(
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Feb 11, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
this irks me too
for better or for worse, Gordon is a a shooting savant, a basketball robot.
It means he’s cold blooded in moments like last night. You would never dream of him being ‘fazed’ by any trade talks like the mopey crew of last season.
But it also means he sits with a towel on his head when his teammates are up and cheering on the bench. Unfortunately the Bulls really value that stuff.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
If only he were 3 inches taller...
I kept thinking that as him and Rip were playing against each other last night.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
And why not, right?
We want our shooters to be cold-blooded. His demeanor fits what he excels at. .
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maybe that's why he laid on the ground with his arms crossed after the shot.
his “I’m top shit and you betta believe it” pose
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Feb 11, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That was my favorite part of the play
besides the ball actually going in. I was like “Whooooh, that’s a bad bad man!”
this quote is good too
On his back in front of the visitors bench, Gordon didn’t see his big shot fall through the net. Instead, he glanced at the scoreboard. “I did see the three [points] go up”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Dude is a quiet badass. Love him.
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Is Rose ok?
I got into a heated argument w/ my girlfriend’s roomate last night (she’s from Detroit) because after that I stood up and yelled “Goddammit you sonsofbitches! Detroit is a bunch of dirty motherfuckers!”
Yea she didn’t take that very well.
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Gary Payton and Chris Webber were laying into him on NBA TV for crying
They were doing the whole boo hoo thing. I was pretyy pissed until I was sure Rose was alright. I was worried he might have broken his face.
Yea I don't think he was crying
anyone who’s ever been clocked in the nose knows what’s the first thing that happens? Your eyes start tearing up like crazy. Combined w/ how bad he was probably sweating, and the look he had on his face (which is understandable after taking a McDyess shoulder), it looks like he’s crying. Rose is a tough kid I doubt he’d start crying on the court, but either way, I just hope he’s alright. I was scared he had like whiplash or a neck injury after that.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Link?
I couldn’t find one on youtube…I watched it and I still don’t think he was. Dude always has a pouting look on his face.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I was talking about
showing it during the game last night. He was crying. I don’t know why this is so hard for some to deal with.
I think it was only hard for that one kid to deal with who made that thread
I was just genuinely skeptical because I’ve seen something like that happen before whenever its a head involved then they might get teary. But I just saw the replay and yeah the part where hes holding it I didn’t catch that before.
Thabo is too cool throwing the towel on Derricks head.
And the last thing no idea why Payton and Webber have to act like kids.
I don't have a link either. But they showed a bunch replays and freeze frames on
NBA TV while webber was laying into him. He was definitely crying. That is why they threw the towell over his head.
I wonder if he messed up his nose or one of his teeth because it looked like he was in a lot of pain.
I read in the Trib today
that after the game he said he was fine. Still a cheap shot though…league should at least review it and possibly fine McDyess.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
He always says he's fine.
Maybe a little sore today but that’s to be expected. Does someone need to complain or how are those incidents reviewed?
I think the team sends a tape of the play
to the leage and asks them to review it. From there it’s up to the league and the committee on rules or fines I forgot the real name for it.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I was lucky enough to be there
And this game ranks with all the other greats I’ve been lucky enough to be a part of. I was in Milwaukee when Redd had 50 points and Ben Gordon had 49 points. I saw MJ play his first home game (first game ever in the United Center) back after retirement. It was an awesome night.
Congrats to Red Kerr — he truly deserved the “red” carpet treatment. Sadly, I couldn’t help but feel all the speakers were delivering eulogies to their dear friend.
After watching TT, BG, and Noah play last last night, I am almost ready to jump in the camp of “don’t trade them for Amare”. Tyrus especially. He is worth the ticket price.
Press the trade button. At this point no one will be missed!
Don't complain about Rose
Maybe he should have used his court vision to see that screen from McDyess. Even half-woman Kyle Korver doesn’t cry if he runs into a screen.
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You mean that illegal screen?
That shoulder McDyess threw into Derrick’s face? I can’t argue w/ the Korver comment but that was a bullshit play, even for Detroit’s standards.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Was it that bad?
McDyess threw a shoulder into Derrick?
The replay didn’t make it look that bad. It appeared more inadvertent.
That David West kung fu chop on Mike Miller. Now that was dirty.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 11, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I can't find
any video of it…wish I recorded the game. Rose was running baseline and McDyess came down and clearly was still moving while Rose’s face smashed right into his shoulder.
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by Ugh It Live! on Feb 11, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Redman
Overdue tribute to Kerr. Longtime fans probably saw him in his old restaurant or other west side haunts. He was always friendly and approachable. I was impressed both Michael and Scottie were there. Basketball makes it much less about race and more about respect for the game.
Every time Bulls play Detroit recently, fans in 300 level are close to 33% Piston fans. They got really obnoxious in the 3rd quarter, but Tyrus’ block in the fourth shut them up even before BG’s 4-point play.
On the negative, Deng, Hinrich and Thabo all sucked for the second game in a row. The Bulls really need two of them to play well to compete.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 11, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions
I disagree about the last sentence.
Obviously we competed last game. :P
It makes it easier when two of them are playing good, but that only creates a down spot at SF, which isn’t enough to sink us. TT/Noah/Rose are really the focal point of ‘is this game competitive?’.
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