THIS IS HUGE

I don’t know how this is NOT a major story yet.

Anyways, Bulls might be a year too early for this one cause of Hughes contract.

I’m sure that would be a big bargaining chip if it expired this year.

I’ll give them anything they want outside of Rose

Aldridge, Outlaw, Lafrentz and Rudy Fernandez for Bosh and junk. I don’t know if the Bulls can really make an offer that would attract Bosh.

given the source.

Now is the time to trade, for one big reason. Ben Gordon, the Bulls best player, is off limits this year. Because of that, there is no way they can ask for both Gordon and Deng (Rose is going to be understood to be off limits, and not even talked about). That’s why this trade deadline is so big…because Gordon can’t be traded.

Rose/Gordon/Bosh, once Rose fully develops is a damn good core. Ben Gordon as a third option? Scary.

trade

You know who Chris Bosh is?

I would do: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2429322430283032197734411023&teams=28282828444&te=&cash=

followed by

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=198124564542015&teams=222244&te=&cash=

If we could pull off those two trades, we’d be sick, as long as we re-signed Ben Gordon. We’d have Rose/Gordon/Bosh as our core. We’d have Omer Asik coming over in 2010 to be center. And would have money to go after Lebron James for the max.

Better than Deng plus Noah plus TT.

Just guessing, but ImmanuelKant was probably in the don’t give up Deng to get Kobe, don’t gut the roster for Kevin Garnett, and the Pau Gasol is too soft to trade for camps…

Would you trade Rose for Bosh straight up?

Then you keep Kirk, and resign Gordon with Gooden’s expiring cap room.

Kirk
Gordon
Deng
Bosh
Noah

That’s at least a playoff team don’t you think?

2007-08 season: He’s 24 and had his third straight season of nearly identical productivity, so it seems we’re nearing Bosh’s ceiling. If so, that’s still a mighty impressive player, and an incredibly well-rounded one. Bosh ranked in the top half of power forwards in every metric except pure point ratio, where he missed being in the top half by one spot.

His bread-and-butter is the combination of an ability to draw fouls with the ability to hit free throws. He had the sixth-best rate of free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt at his position, earning over eight free throws per game, and nailed a career-best 84.4 percent from the stripe. This enabled him to post another scintillating true shooting percentage, despite an ordinary field-goal percentage and a lack of 3-pointers.

Despite his slender build, Bosh made more than 605 of his shots in the immediate basket area for a second straight season; he also drilled more than 40 percent of his long 2-pointers, a very respectable showing for a big man.

Scouting report: Bosh is a rarity in that he plays the high post and prefers to operate from the left elbow. While he can also score on the blocks against smaller defenders and is a strong passer out of double-teams, his thin build makes it easy for opponents to push him around. However, his superb quickness and the threat of his midrange jumper combine to make him extremely difficult to guard off the dribble — normally going to his dominant left hand.

Defensively, Bosh is a quality defender but fares best when paired with a physical enforcer type in the frontcourt — at 6-10, 230, he can’t be asked to guard behemoths like Shaq or Yao Ming. His rebound numbers dipped a bit from the peak two seasons ago but remain solid for a power forward, and he’s a decent shot-blocker. Where he excels, though, is switching out against guards on pick-and-rolls, because he’s unusually quick for his size.

2008-09 outlook: The arrival of Jermaine O’Neal should be a big help for Bosh, as he’s needed a physical defender to help do the dirty work at the defensive end and reduce some of the pounding he takes. That’s of more importance given his increasing frailty — Bosh hasn’t played more than 70 games in any of the past three seasons, and one wonders if he’d hold up better if he wasn’t forced to play center so often.

As long as O’Neal is around, count on fewer injury breaks for Bosh. That may not result in any better numbers than Bosh has posted the past three years, but if it results in 80 games rather than 60 the Raps will be happy.

Most similar at age: Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Here’s the list of forwards in the 3-Point era who have produced 40 WinShares and above a 20 PER average in their first 5 years in the league…

1. LeBron
2. Barkley
3. Duncan
4. Bird
5. Grant Hill
6. Elton Brand
7. Dirk
8. Paul Pierce
9. Pau Gasol
10. Kirilenko
11. Malone
12. Dominique Wilkins
13. Terry Cummings
14. Chris Bosh
15. Shawn Marion

That’s it. That’s the entire list. Those are all all-star level players and a lot of them are HOFers and most of them didn’t produce this well at this young of an age because they entered the league later. This is important. Bosh is an absolutely ridiculously good player especially given his age.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&type=totals&per_minute_base=48&year_min=1980&year_max=2009&season_start=1&season_end=5&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&lg_id=&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=F&qual=&c1stat=ws&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ws

for a guy you say wants to play in South Beach with D wade?

Then if enough of us unrecced it, ImmanuelKant’s acinine comments would turn red so others would be able to skip them and not get sucked in to such a waste of time.

good night everyone.

And really, we could probably flag for trolling, cause he has to be doing this to get a rise out of us.

But I’m not even sure which asinine comment to flag.

I don’t know much about Bosh but what I have seen I’m not all that excited about.

Does he fit with Rose and the up tempo style they wanna play? I kinda wanna see if this team can come together.

by ImmanuelKant on Feb 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

Top Five….
Lebron
Dwight Howard
Bosh
Wade
Brandon Roy

Bosh makes number three. I guess you could argue for Wade ahead of him…. but either way, he’s pretty close to the top “fantasy” player I would add to this team.

As fas as I’m concern, we can offer anyone but Derrick Rose for Bosh. But if we are going to trade for him, we should demand that he resign with us in 2010 or before – I don’t know if he can do that. Despite all of that, I came up with a couple of trades that could work for both, although there are other teams that could offer a lot more.

First

Bulls send: Deng, Tyrus, Gooden, Thabo and a couple of picks
Toronto send: Bosh and Kapono

Why I think it works? Because If Toronto is going to trade Bosh, they will want to start rebuilding around Calderon and Bargnani. So, they would receive Tyrus, who’s showing some development and can play alongside Bargnani and could be awsome with Calderon; Tyrus at 4 and Bargnani at 5. They would get Deng, that kills their SF problem for years to come. Thabo can be great with some minutes and play the 2 and 3; and Gooden contracts could allow them to persue another PF this summer (Millsap, Boozer, who knows…).

Second

Bulls send: Hinrich and Noc
Portland: Bayless, Outlaw and LaFretz

Why it might work? Because Portland already showed interest in Hinrich during the offseason and wants a more experienced SF (Noc). I just have some doubts that Portland would want to trade Bayless; if not, I think Sergio Rodriguez wouldn’t be bad, but I honestly prefer Bayless – I would want Fernandez or Batum, but I don’t believe KP would accept that.

So, our roster would be something like this:
Rose/Hunter
Gordon/Bayless
Outlaw/Kapono
Bosh/Noah
Noah/Gray

Toronto starting 5
Calderon
Parker
Deng
Tyrus
Bargnani

Portland
Hinrich
Roy
Noc or Batum
Aldrigde
Oden

Deng, Nocioni, and a unconditional 1st round pick for Bosh. Colangelo loves foreign players.

…I’d trade Derrick Rose and Larry Hughes for him. Or even better for the Bulls, Nocioni, Gooden and Rose. Of course, that trade won’t happen. Derrick Rose being a super star is still largely potential. He’s shown repeated flashes of great offensive abilities but hasn’t been consistent or well-rounded enough to make his offensive contributions too much more than average. And he WOEFULLY lacks in defense. Not only does he have trouble staying in front of his man, but he doesn’t rebound, doesn’t steal and doesn’t block shots (yes, even accounting for position). He’s kind of like the mirror image of Tyrus Thomas in this manner.

Until he learns to play defense and shoot respectable percentage from three among other things (all his flaws seem like they can still be taught at this point), he’s still just potential.

Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Bosh, Noah, Thomas, Thabo (Asik?) is not that far off from being a legitimate contender.

seems like everyone is on board except one guy. And he’s notoriously odd.

Yes, trade everyone except Rose in any combination for Bosh. That’s the type of player you do it for, he’s both awesome and young. I don’t think this report has much merit, so I can’t get too excited. But it’s nice to dream.

It’s much more of an obvious idea than gutting the team for Bryant a couple years ago. Because Kobe was older and the ‘window’ had to be soon, and unlike then there would still be a player like Derrick Rose here. Having Rose and Bosh and you have a long time to get the rest of the pieces, though you’d have to be somewhat competitive to keep Bosh in 2010. But between having a stud PG and offering the most money, you’d have to think resigning him would be easier than trying to sign him away in 2010.

If he has told Coangelo that’s he’s not going to resign in 2010, then Jerry can’t drive up the price for Bosh. No other team is going to give up a player of Deng’s caliber, they are going to send young players, expiring contracts and picks. Again if Bosh said this then The Raps are screwed big time. They will not get fair trade value for him and if I’m Paxson I’m trying to find out what really was said if anything.

Is his source a bag of cheese doodles?

FYI:

http://www.thestar.com/article/581034

I kinda expected this thread sometime next season. But even if CB4 denies everything, it makes more than actual sense for the Raps to start looking for offers unless they can be 100% sure that Bosh will sign with them. The fact that he is eligible for an extension but not sign it yet is telling. This might be made more plausible if Toronto fails to make the playoffs this year.

For me, I’d give anyone other than Rose & TT. Even Deng I’d give up, mostly because I think its easier to find functional SFs in this league than post presence.

I’d do this trade.

Mostly because we’re in the same boat as the Raps when it comes to BG. Worst case scenario, it gives them about 13 million in spare change to chase a 2009 free agent, a defensive euro big and a fringe all star who may do exceptionally well next to Calderon

Anything and everything for Bosh, except for Rose. Do it.