Hollinger just didn’t choose to name the player…this helps to set his tone. IF he told you who said it, his position would be somewhat undermined, because that player talks alot (usually in a good way).

Joakim Noah said it, according to Hoops World.

this team had no direction as to whether they were a young building team or a veteran-laden team. Lots of people here (including the Org.) preached the hands-across-the-world bullshit upon Gordon’s exit, but NBA players will be NBA players, and it’s not like these guys didn’t know their time here was potentially short: might as well get the stats.

He’s dead wrong on Rose

than you must think the majority of nba owners and scouts are as stupid as the bulls’….No team who is wanting to make themselves better would take deng for a player who in our view would be a plus for the bulls. Its not going to happen, the best we can get out of deng is maybe packaging him with a few others (maybe kirk, maybe TT, maybe Taj) and try to get a solid 4, but whoever wants deng would have to be very desperate or very stupid, for me, a combination of the 2 would be even better.

Deng can’t create his own shot, and he can’t create for others. The offense isn’t designed to help him create shots for others. Do you really want Deng dribbling and try to drive to draw defenders and kick it out? Do you ever see him stand with the ball while others cut around, trying to get open? If Deng passes to someone, it’s either a broken play or he’s just outside “moving the ball” with no purpose.

Again, he needs more assists, but there is a reason it’s incredibly low.

The media here is always fuckin backwards

He plays on an island all by himself. The island is 18 feet from the basket. He’s the highest paid player. He can’t drive. He won’t shot threes. He rattles off bullshit after the game, we have to play harder, we have to compete, blah blah and people buy it. He doesn’t look bothered to me though because he says the same shit over and over.

You ask Rose and Noah and they seem frustrated as hell. It’s like a changing of the guard. Luol Deng doesn’t wanna buy in. this is the same shit that happened in 2007. Deng was the ring leader.

The contract ain’t bad….he’s a better player than RJ and is a solid mid range O guy who grabs boards…..

He just ain’t a #1, and well for his contract most teams wouldn’t have him as their #1….but then again the Bulls are CHEAP and poorly constructed (I know Miller makes slightly more, but really Deng is our #1, though league-wide paid like the #2/#3 he is.

Problem is we have too many holes. Rose is on the way to being purely the man, but he’s friggin 21, on a terrible team….

Is Rose has nobody to pass to in the paint. Noah, Taj, Miller, Tyrus (who’s been hurt) have no post game….he doesn’t get the shots for his assists that the franchise, etc got, making all Hollinger’s analysis without watching purely pointless….

He hasn’t understood the Bulls for years because he probably watched all of 5 games since 2007 outside of the Bulls-Celtics series….

what do you want for Hinrich?

You should be calling out Paxson/Gar more than Vinny….

What’s a coach to do with this roster?

Rose is playing well, Deng is playing well, Noah’s playing well, but all the pieces are so ill fitting….

I mean Vinny had us playing hard to run out of gas in the 4th, players know they don’t have the talents and they’ve given up….Vinny’s getting the lionshare of the blame, when really much of that needs to go to the GM.

I mean Taj-Noah wasn’t working, so he tried former all star Brad Miller who played well last year but doesn’t seem to be in shape…..

I would hope a new coach would just have us go for it in Nellie Ball, have us run and gun, max our athleticism…Bench Miller entirely (too slow) and bench Gray entirely.

We won’t be much better until TYrus is back—if Tyrus is back and until he’s back well, but get the ball rolling…see if we can tap some of Johnson’s athleticism to save for teh fact that he can’t quite play as of yet….

Either you want it or you don’t. The score tonight speaks for itself. We have to find ways to win. A loss like this really hurts. We’ve been blown out in several games this season, and it’s really frustrating.

FIRE VINNY NOW!

wtf?

The Bulls management has occasionally acted like a big market team in handing out contracts, but consistently acted like a small market team when it comes to overall budgets, roster, and long-term approach.

Suffice to say that’s not a winning combination.

I wrote the same thing in another post. Reinsdorf is only guilty of not wanting to spend money. The other two clowns are not creative and make most of the decisions. They hired Vinny, they draft/drafted most of the players, they make/made the trades… Fire them and send Vinny in the same package

but JR LOVES Paxson.

but on the bright side, the roster is unlikely to ever be this untalented again

They love old people.

I’ll even cut him some slack from bricking so badly last night just because of the injury (even though he was pretty terrible before it).

What I can’t stand is watching his arms droop to the floor the entire time he’s on the court.
Conversely, when he’s playing well he’s yelling at refs and trash-talking like crazy. I could understand this if he were still in high school but he’s 28 years old now. He’s one of the most understated head-cases in the league.

I have posted it a couple of times because it sickens me how these two do not share the ball. Allen Iverson gets assists, Shaq gets assists, World B. Free gets……well, anyways, these two guys are horrible for this team. Deng wants to be the leader, he wants all the props, all the recognition, but he’s selfish, he’s only good for shooting 17 footers or posting up players 5 inches shorter than he is. Salmons is walking around like his dog died, and neither of these guys communicate on the court. When have you ever seen a team that plays well and they don’t talk on offense or defense? You can’t shut K.G or Rasheed up, all of the great players talk, these Bulls don’t do it, they just run around shooting up the first shot they get, now since they’re losing they all wanna blame each other. They all suck, Rose has the most talent he’s been solid. Taj has played up to his abilities, but I don’t think anybody else has played well. Noah started out strong but he’s been ineffective recently, besides a blocked shot occasionally, and getting rebounds. As much as I hate Vinny, he’s not the blame. His players suck!

Constantly called out the team and it was a disaster in this same realm. He was a better coach than Vinny of course, but we would have suffered probably 2 more years of that, and who knows if Skiles would have kept Noah at all after how he showed up last year, and who knows if Rose would have been benched for a Luke Ridnour….

I know Skiles isn’t doing that in Milwaukee, but then again Milwaukee has less to lose to play it’s young players and stink if it doesn’t work out….the pressure ain’t quite there…

I’m not sure VDN should get all the blame. Lots of blame to go around, but the players are not showing up and being professional. Whether or not VDN lost them, the GM duo gathered an untalented roster, Reinsdork is too cheap, injuuries, whatever….. You still gotta be professional and try to compete, especially in CHicago! This isn’t Memphis or anything…

What I can tell is that the Bulls need a big change. Nothing will affect this season for the better until something major changes, like a big trade or a new coach (and not a coach on the roster already, which I fear is the most likely scenario). A shake-up is needed. I’d rather see VDN stick it out this year even though I really think he is a big problem to the Bulls’ success, but he is far from the biggest problem at this point of the season. His lack of Xs and Os is not a huge deal anymore.

has dropped the past 2 years and is at all time low. salmons’ is also at an all time low (better than the 2nd half of last season. i remember looking at tyrus’ last year and it had dropped also.

i remember looking at the ast% of our forwards (which includes salmons because he was mostly playing the 3 for us) last year and all of them had dropped a lot. i think it’s vinny’s offense. i think salmons’ assist% is slightly UP from last year w/ vinny cause he has played more minutes at the 2 but he still gets decent minutes at the 3.

just what i’ve noticed.

Right now the problem lies with the guys who are playing and the coach.

I think the guys who call the shots are concerned about getting a brash outspoken player for some reason. I think this is why the guys who have a little edge to them like Artest, J.R Smith, Jamal Crawford, get ran out of town. The guys we have now are all quiet mild mannered good guys, with a degree of skill of course. Deng was groomed at Duke so he knows his role, Kert is a JayHawk and not the rah rah type, Rose is a super quiet Chicago kid, Tyrus is is a country kid but he’s got a attitude which I think they later realised. Salmons is a quiet church guy, Noah’s a good kid who’s won in Floridaand not a trouble maker. These guys are all the same pedigree, even JJ and Taj, I think management likes these type of guys. Unlike a outspoken egomaniac like Jordan who’s bashed the organisation over and over again. JMO though.

He also put stock into college kids with high character.. even used that line it in a comcast commercial.

Even though its dumbass spending,They are trying.

Both are animals! BIg cuddle furry…ohh wait, Bulls dont have fur

:::shrugs:::

Tyrus is the only one you could really call a bust, every team misses out on talent in a draft, look at all the teams that passed on Blair, Ty Lawson, Josh Howard, and others, you can say that about any team in the NBA, the Bulls draft record is better than most NBA teams

both are horrible on both sides of the ball!

Thesox are watchable.And im not a big baseball fan

asked ’dorf about the Bulls and he said he was too angry to speak about that. (or something).

He better hurry, Mike North’s show is canceled at the end of the year.

HE wont get fired…..yet.

I love TT and will actually be happy for him to go somewhere else and thrive. This organization has done enough damage to him and they aint resigning him anyway, so I’d rather he play with Derrick as often as possible and make the organization regret what they’re going to lose (for nothing).

Step1:
Have Derrick & Taj come off the bench and start Kirk & Brad.

Bench Salmons and Miller
Start Taj and Kirk

That’ll have several advantages:
1. Let the Bulls run a bit more. Kirk can get up and down the floor faster than Salmons
2. Taj is not good, but he can run, and he’s been fairly effective hitting jumpers when left open due to Rose’s dribble drive game. When Tyrus is back, he takes on this role and does even better.
3. Kirk is probably the most likely guy to be able to catch and shoot a three pointer. I know he hasn’t shown it so far, but he should be able to space the floor.

Also, Salmons/Miller is a fairly logical half-court tandem to bring in and try to score on other second units with.

I think this would be obviously better use of our “talent” such as it is.

i dont think benching Rose is bad..only that Kirk is playing worse

I can save you some time with step 1…Brad Miller ain’t cutting it. I don’t like benching Derrick, especially right now that he’s bouncing back, because I think it sends the wrong message. He has been much more assertive and you can tell he is giving effort out there. Also, I totally agree with you about step 4. I don’t have any faith at all in the rest of that staff. If they had anything to contribute, then they should be doing it now.

especially if the second double is #1 or #2 in the league.

It’s hard to go all out when you see the Team Captain allow someone to tie his shoes,I’m suprised in his mind he hasn’t given up.

the only thing that saves his ass from being thrown our of nba broadcasting is the part he adds in…“pound for pound”…..that statement has gotten alot of boxer’s and fighters brought into hall of fame type fighters conversation just by throwing that in there…pound for pound…

compared earl cambell to ginobili.and MJ to KB.Sometimes Im embarrassed to be an american because of people like JR and mark jackson.

Fuckin idiot

he was basically blaming Rose for guys like Salmons, Deng and Hinrich taking one pass and than shooting. As if Rose has a rep for being selfish. I don’t know how you come to that conclusion. Its not backed up by anything I’ve seen. its mind-boggling.

Let him make his mistakes and play through it (basically the opposite of how Tyrus has been handled). At least he can score the ball and he showed a little bit of shot blocking last night too.

Christmas Eve, they like to fire coaches on the eve of holidays