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Game Preview #19: Bulls vs. New Jersey Nets

[Thanks to 'BULLieving in Miami' for today's game preview -ed.]

Thank you, Charlotte Bobcats!! Yeah, that's right. I said it. THANK YOU, BOBCATS!!!!

The Charlotte Bobcats have the honor of being the team that the Nets finally defeated to avoid going 0-82. Hey, 1-81 ain't bad. I just feel this would've been the game the Nets would win if they came to the UC tonight winless. That's just the bad luck of this Bulls team. The stars would've aligned. Dog and cats would be living together. It would just go down that way, I'm sure of it. Really, though, it's also nice that New Jersey lost at the Knicks on Sunday, because a 3-game winning streak is probably a bit too much to ask of these New Jersey Nets. I guess the same could be said of our Bulls as well. If you look at it, this is the first game the Bulls play against a putrid team (and I'm just referring to their record. They do have talent). All of the games played so far are against clearly superior opponents (many) or against teams either in the same boat as the Bulls (DET, CHA) or better off (TOR, SAC, MIL). Not necessarily good company to be in if you are trying to pose as a "playoff contender" or "team on the rise". Let me just say that term may apply to our core of young players, but definitely not to this organization. I'd say at least 20 out of the 29 other teams have more talent or potential than our current roster in my opinion.

That brings me to tonight's opponent, who I believe is one of those 20 teams, the New Jersey Nets. This team is a deceptive 1-19. You could say they have a better young core than the Bulls. Devin Harris missed the first 10 games of the season with a groin issue. They were a Dwyane Wade buzzer-beater from being just bad, as opposed to historically bad. I'd also say perhaps Lawrence Frank had worn out his welcome as this team was not going anywhere anytime soon. Harris is yet to get his game in gear, averaging 16 points/game on 35% shooting. Make no mistake though when healthy he is the catalyst for their offense, and in PG comparisons, a much more assertive player than Derrick Rose right now. That is my main gripe with the kid up to this point: is it still the ankle, lack of motivation, or lack of coaching, or ALL THREE?? I can't make up my mind. But based on last season, Harris is the more efficient scorer. I only bring this up because lately we've had debate about whether Rose should shoot more. I actually like Derrick's efficiency; he doesn't require many shots to get his points. They both average 15 FGA/game. The main difference Harris averages 7.5 FTA/game, a full 4 FTA more than Rose, and the gap was greater last season when Harris was healthy. So maybe yes, Rose needs to shoot more to get his points up, because i feel he is so athletically gifted, he CAN get around and over the defense, but needs to learn to kind of go into the defense to get more calls. Hopefully he will learn this, but as his body matures and he becomes stronger and faster, he might stay with the same approach and he might never become a guy that gets a lot of free throws, which is bad.

Another player I really like on this team is Brook Lopez. If the NBA hadn't handed the Bulls don't land that #1 overall pick, Lopez was the player to get at #9. He's already turing into a handful and he's the mythic low-post scorer the Bulls have lacked in the core they had the last few years. Lopez (18.9/9.0/2.3blks) has a good post game that will only get better with polishing, and he gets to the line (6.0 FTA/game) more than anyone on the Bulls. The Bulls should think of throwing a double-team at him every once in a while tonight. That's not to say Noah can't handle him, but Joakim has been getting in foul trouble lately, and if they don't give Noah help, it won't be long before Lopez is having his way against Miller, Gray (oh dear), and Taj on his way to some kind of new career high. And does anyone feel cheated for the Lopez twins not being required to go to the same team in the draft? My girlfriend loved them together, and they have the same last name as hers, which always helps. Plus, the Bulls can afford to double in this match-up as the Nets are bottom-of-the-league bad at shooting threes (yes, actually worse than the Bulls). And Courtney Lee and Chris Douglas-Roberts are also promising young talents. Lee always displayed a heads-up game while with Orlando.

No Kurt.

The Nets are 1 of 2 teams that score less than the Bulls and they also have a bigger differential than the Bulls, meaning they play worse defense. So the Bulls do stand a good chance and at home. I'm hoping Harris is still slowed by the groin and he and Lopez won't get some of those foul calls on our homecourt.

And in closing... the Nets bad start could be directly attributed to the absence of Devin Harris early on. Guess thats what happens when a team is without their best scorer. But Harris didn't sign with another team. He was just hurt. He'll be back. Can't say the same in Chicago.

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i hope to god we win

or will they really fire vinny if we lose tonight?

I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!

by Yibs on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

win/win?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

lose/win situation?

What a conundrum

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Dec 8, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I predict (hope?) a loss tonight.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

I also hope they lost this game

If they do, this will be sure to “wake the sleeping Giant”

"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"

by D-WadeChicago on Dec 8, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

If the Nets win...

It has to be because of the outstanding assistant coaching.

by chapuforyou on Dec 8, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

The Nets actually have a lot of talent. Harris, Lopez, Lee, CDR and T. Williams are all good players. This isn’t a shoo-in at all.

by C Smoove on Dec 8, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

Hassell is actually a really good wing defender, but that’s all he does. Basically Sefolosha before Sefolosha…

by C Smoove on Dec 8, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

Add me on board with hope that we lose

This just might be the loss that puts Bulls management over the edge

by Option27 on Dec 8, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

Who said anything about the team

I’m just dying to see VDN get fired, even if it means an interim coach for the remainder of the way.

And yeah, beyond Rose, Noah and Deng . . . they can do whatever else to the rest of the team

by Option27 on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope they get blown out

by 40 or so.. with “FIRE VINNY” chants echoing throughout the arena the entire second half. With a few minutes left, Pax-dorf strolls onto the floor and fires VDN on the spot.

by NerdVernacular on Dec 8, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

It hurts my heart to say this

But I hope we lose. VDN needs to go even though this mess is not all his fault. He wasn’t ready to be an head coach should of gone the Brain Shaw route and waited his turn. To top it off we have the worse put together team in the NBA. This team needs to get blown up and soon.

by Bullsfanla on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

If the Bulls lose

Then that spells a disaster for Saturday night when I actually will be attending a game (Boston). If the Nets win then I guess the Bulls will just mail it in for the next few games until Coach X is arranged, and not rush back Tyrus & Kurt for Saturday (probably too late for that anyway, but I hope the only game I see this season has something good to watch)

All your base are belong to Vinny.

by BCs71 on Dec 8, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

LMAO

I know that was fake but it was still hilarious! I would love to see Dorf get done like that.

"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z

by bigballa10 on Dec 8, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year Devin Harris dropped 42 on Rose.

Lopez is gonna be tough, Lee is athletic, CDR is active, this is gonna be a tough game.

by Mr Rhythm on Dec 8, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

We need a real center.

Too bad they are very few of them.

by T.Moore on Dec 8, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Which raises the question...

….is a “real center” or just a “good center”?

Noah is effin’ good by the way. I’m sorry you don’t recognize the one bright spot on the team. Sucks for you.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok,I know Noah is a beast.

What I mean is that he is more of a PF than a center.

by T.Moore on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the dumbest meme out there. He's a center in the truest sense.

He works around the basket primarily. He has almost no face up game (aside from dribble drives and his very preliminary jumper). He guards opposing centers exceptionally well, despite giving up tons of heft to most centers.

A PF is a guy that works where Tyrus works. In the mid-range game, occasionally on the block, but lots of turning and facing up. Tyrus plays like a PF, he’s just not as effective on offense as the best PFs, because he finishes poorly near the hoop and his jumper is not as good as you’d like.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

serious question:

what if noah and lopez played on the same team at the same time. presumably noah would guard the PF, but since lopez is more skilled out to 17 ft. one would have to guess that however infrequently he goes out there it would still be more than noah. so noah would be a C on offense and a PF on defense. in other words, in what sense do positions even matter?

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Dec 8, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Positions don't matter. Noah is awesome, doesn't matter what you call him.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He also said that Noah could be a starting C on a championship team.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

zoinks!

say it ain’t so!!!

If Noah had a jumper and someone who could play center better than him, I’d consider Noah a power forward.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 8, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that

In the games this year where they’ve played the better centers in the league (even even one hybrid/PF like Garnett), Noah has had all kinds of trouble keeping them from getting offensive rebounds. There was a distinct mismatch of height and girth which got repeatedly exploited with second chance points.

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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 8, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough. Positions, again, are pretty meaningless. He can play and he helps a lot.

Need to get him some better help.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He isnt all that built

thats why I cant concider him a "true"center and (Oden was really the only one).We need a big nasty offensive big man

by T.Moore on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

last year

it was a recurring theme: the bulls granting opposition players their new career highs. i been tellin’ myself at least it’s not as bad as that was.

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

LETS GO

BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 8, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

I actually don't care if they win or lose.

They’ll fire Del Negro at the end of the season if his 3rd year isn’t guaranteed. Not sooner. They won’t fire him at all if the 3rd year isn’t guaranteed.

I guess there’s hope for a high draft pick, but I don’t know if they’ll be bottom-5 bad.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 8, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

They are playing worse than bottom 5 bad right now. Maybe that changes when they get healthy

but even before the injuries this team wasn’t a world beater, so there’s a good chance the Bulls are a mid-lotto team again. Blech.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hollinger's numbers say 16.6% playoffs odds, 5.7% to WIN lottery pick #1

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

(i can’t make links copy on this #$&*ing place anymore.)

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Dec 8, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

wow!

how utterly weird that it work a linky-link anyway?

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Dec 8, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

More than 4 times better odds to land John Wall than we had to land Derrick Rose

Let’s get it Schanwald!

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Woops, math fail. More than 3 times better odds to land Wall than we had to get Rose.

Still, get that pick Schanwald!

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I would trade Derrick if we could land Wall.

Wall’s demeanor and leadership abilities are so much better than Derrick in every way it’s ridiculous. He’s also even more explosive and has a longer wingspan. And he has better court vision. Sign me up.

by Illini15 on Dec 8, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I would trade Rose for Wall, too. Wall looks like unbelievable.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, and i had to add a little something to my paragraph about Lopez

shouldn’t it have been required that the twins go to the same team??

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 8, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

Horace and Harvey Grant never played together in the NBA.

"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith

by Granny Waiters on Dec 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

well... they should've

were they drafted the same year? plus the age we live in now, the exposure the Lopez twins got is a lot more than what the Grants got back then. plus, Lopez twins > Grant twins.

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I can't wish to NJ to win this game without garanties that Vinnys is fired

I hate to see the Bulls lose…

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Dec 8, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

My hope is that the Nets entire front line (along with their first 3 players off the bench) comes down with the flu bug tonight and can't suit up

and the Bulls pull out a 57-56 nail biter on a desperaton full court heave by Aaron Gray who was getting his longest extended floor time of the season after Brad Miller fell asleep at halftime and couldn’t be awakened. It seems Mr. Miller had mixed an undetermined substance into a small metallic device found nearby and passed out on the bench. This turned out to be Gray’s lucky day to shine as Noah was also riding the pines ever since he was pulled at the 7 minute mark of the first quarter.

Big J was hot under the collar and once again lost his cool by calling Vinny a Dago bitch. Up until that point, Joakim had grabbed 9 straight rebounds, blocked 5 shots and had 4 putbacks off Salmon’s misses. It was not the end of the world until the unfortunate incident with Miller. (I think I made a mistake by choosing naming him ’as Best Conditioned Athlete in my earlier post of Top NBA Performers. Brad you really let me down).

Noticing the crowd had dwindled down to less than 100 as the clock dwindled down, the light suddenly went on in the nearly empty heads of the Bulls brain trust and they decided to pull the plug and put our Italian stallion out to pasture. Charlie Wiess agreed to coach on an interim basis as long as he was guarenteed an endless supply of Big Macs regardless of how many points they score.
 
Meanwhile, a small bevy of loyal Tyrusphiles breath a great sigh of relief and wait patently for his return while Taj breaks out into a cold sweat for the first time in his brief career because he is beginning to hear footsteps.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 8, 2009 6:32 PM CST reply actions  

Great Stuff

Charlie Wiess fat jokes are gold, gold I tell ya!

by Trey23 on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

B52 starting for Taj tonight.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

I bet he will.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Epic fail.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Dec 8, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein

by SoulEater7 on Dec 8, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't have said

i if it wasn’t true.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Dec 8, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

do you prefer

“true sue” or “sue the true”?

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerryd Bayless is demanding a trade

Someone get on the phone and send Kurt on his way to Portland already

by Option27 on Dec 8, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions  

Cap Relief

Oh yes and yes . . . .

They are also losing Rudy for a bit and Andre aint doing shit for them, makes to much sense

by Option27 on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Kurt is hurt for us, too, though. He's gotta get healthy before we can get toss him out.

I’d love to go Kurt and Gray for Outlaw (hurt), Bayless, and some other filler (maybe Blake, but Nate seems to really like him).

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Dec 8, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Kurt and Gray for Outlaw, Bayless and Blake works for me

But they would never do this

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Dec 8, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I would say that the problem with us bull fans are

That we are too impatient.

i.e Bulls fans patience with Rose.Its only almost a quarter of the season on his second year and “some” people want him traded.

“sigh”

by T.Moore on Dec 8, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

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