Noah was right to be upset[ed. with Lebron James dancing].
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i really disagree wit this.
sports is fundamentally anti-social. some people seem to buy into the idea that there is a code of mutual respect in sports but this is not at all true, and its not a modern phenomenon either. the opponent in sports is an obstacle to your pleasure, thats it. participants will do anything they can get away with to frustrate this obstacle and to ensure that he fails, blithely indifferent to the fact that by beating another they are often causing mental and physical pain. larry bird dribbles down the court and explains to his opponent exactly where he will hit the game winner; michael jordan throws down a dunk which knocks patrick ewing down, then proceeds to bend over his fallen body, screaming at him; bill russell cozies up to wilt chamberlain before a game in the hopes that wilt will have a harder time competing against a guy he likes on a personal level. in what world is it respectful to make someone else feel small and inferior? in what world is manipulating someone a sign that you respect them? it makes no sense to get angry at lebrons dancing without getting angry at sports, because lebrons behavior is merely a symptom and nothing more.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I really disagree with you
Sports are fundamentally social. In fact, without other people – opponents, teammates, fans- there’s no such thing as sport. You’re not playing a game anymore if it’s just you. You’re just running around in goofy clothes and bouncing a ball.
So other people are necessary. And when you’ve got more than one person, it’s by definition a social activity.
Now obviously, we treat opponents differently than teammates, but at the end of the day, your opponent is not an obstacle to your pleasure, he’s required for your pleasure. Because if he wasn’t there to compete against you, you wouldn’t, in any reasonable sense, be a “winner” of anything. It means something to dunk on Patrick Ewing because he was a hell of a player.
And while there’s no obvious line, I guess, between heat of the moment exaltation at victory and just being a turd, I’d qualify MJ as generally a willing sportsman who understood that his opponents drove his success. He’s the greatest of all time because he beat the greatest of all time. He acknowledged as much in his poorly received, but surprisingly deep hall of fame acceptance speech. People didn’t get it, but he was saying, in his messed up way, that he respected his opponents and was driven to beat them.
On the other hand, if you treat your opponents like garbage by mocking them, I think you’re ultimately selling yourself pretty short. Because what are you saying? That you’re great enough to beat a guy who’s not any good in the first place? Well, that’s not saying much about you.
So yeah, you’re just plain old wrong. If you make a living based on a game, and you want to be great, yes, you define your greatness by winning the game. But if you define everyone else as a loser, and you trivialize the game you play, you trivialize your own greatness in winning it.
by Sports2 on Dec 8, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
And by the way, I don't actually recall MJ dunking on Ewing. I do recall Pip dunking on Ewing. Is that who you meant?
Or am I missing out on good MJ on Ewing dunk footage?
sure mj has dunked on ewing
but i think sports2 is correct in that it sounds like he is describing the famous pip on ewing dunk.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
youre right. mj had a couple of great dunks on ewing, but the taunting one
was pippen.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
even mountain
people in southeast asia have seen it.
I think he meant this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWzVYEQDaA
It wasn’t a dunk though but he stood over him yelling. Then there was this dunk but no yelling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxG6F8qKsoQ
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
serial raping requires more than one person, but id hardly describe serial raping as a "social
activity." “social” means more than “where two or more gather”. and while it is true that you need others to join in to make a game a game, once they agree to play they are an obstacle to your pleasure. and finally, jordan didnt thank the best did he, didnt he rather “thank” people like that guy who beat him to the varsity team, and bryon russell, and doubters in general? i have just finished reading two books on mj (playing for keeps— good; and jordan rules—meh) and nowhere did it seem as though jordan thought he was great because he beat great players. it just seemed like he was generally competitive and his attitudes towards his primary foes were: isiah was evil, drexler was inferior and barkley was a really close friend.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I can't agree with that
Just look at ‘For the Love of The Game’ (I’m 80% sure that’s the title). He was always talking about how he wanted to be better than Magic and Bird, how he wanted to go through them to legitimize his first championship. He talks about how Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Miller, and others wanted to get through him, to legitimize their own championships, but it seems like Jordan was always ready to admit and show respect for his colleagues.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 8, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
MJ's speech
He said over and over things like
"You guys gave me motivation," Jordan said. "I (felt I’ve) got to prove to them I deserve what I’ve gotten."
and this
"That kept me trying every day to be a better basketball player," Jordan said.
and this
"The game of basketball has been everything to me," Jordan said as he wound down. "My place of refuge, place I’ve always gone where I needed comfort and peace. It’s been the site of intense pain and the most intense feelings of joy and satisfaction. It’s a relationship that has evolved over time, given me the greatest respect and love for the game. I hope the millions of people I’ve touched have the optimism and desire to share their goals and hard work and persevere with a positive attitude. Although I recognize this is a tremendous honor this doesn’t define the end of basketball. It’s a continuation of something I started a long time ago. One time you may look up and see me playing the game at 50."
Say what you want about him, but the guy knows, understands, and respects the fact that greatness comes through beating the best, not dancing over the weakling you just pulverized.




















