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Noah was right to be upset[ed. with Lebron James dancing].

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i really disagree wit this.

sports is fundamentally anti-social. some people seem to buy into the idea that there is a code of mutual respect in sports but this is not at all true, and its not a modern phenomenon either. the opponent in sports is an obstacle to your pleasure, thats it. participants will do anything they can get away with to frustrate this obstacle and to ensure that he fails, blithely indifferent to the fact that by beating another they are often causing mental and physical pain. larry bird dribbles down the court and explains to his opponent exactly where he will hit the game winner; michael jordan throws down a dunk which knocks patrick ewing down, then proceeds to bend over his fallen body, screaming at him; bill russell cozies up to wilt chamberlain before a game in the hopes that wilt will have a harder time competing against a guy he likes on a personal level. in what world is it respectful to make someone else feel small and inferior? in what world is manipulating someone a sign that you respect them? it makes no sense to get angry at lebrons dancing without getting angry at sports, because lebrons behavior is merely a symptom and nothing more.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Dec 8, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

sure mj has dunked on ewing

but i think sports2 is correct in that it sounds like he is describing the famous pip on ewing dunk.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Dec 8, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

youre right. mj had a couple of great dunks on ewing, but the taunting one

was pippen.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

even mountain

people in southeast asia have seen it.

by Aiafati on Dec 8, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he meant this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWzVYEQDaA

It wasn’t a dunk though but he stood over him yelling. Then there was this dunk but no yelling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxG6F8qKsoQ

"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z

by bigballa10 on Dec 9, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

serial raping requires more than one person, but id hardly describe serial raping as a "social

activity." “social” means more than “where two or more gather”. and while it is true that you need others to join in to make a game a game, once they agree to play they are an obstacle to your pleasure. and finally, jordan didnt thank the best did he, didnt he rather “thank” people like that guy who beat him to the varsity team, and bryon russell, and doubters in general? i have just finished reading two books on mj (playing for keeps— good; and jordan rules—meh) and nowhere did it seem as though jordan thought he was great because he beat great players. it just seemed like he was generally competitive and his attitudes towards his primary foes were: isiah was evil, drexler was inferior and barkley was a really close friend.

"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."

by TheMoon on Dec 8, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't agree with that

Just look at ‘For the Love of The Game’ (I’m 80% sure that’s the title). He was always talking about how he wanted to be better than Magic and Bird, how he wanted to go through them to legitimize his first championship. He talks about how Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Miller, and others wanted to get through him, to legitimize their own championships, but it seems like Jordan was always ready to admit and show respect for his colleagues.

by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 8, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

MJ's speech

He said over and over things like

"You guys gave me motivation," Jordan said. "I (felt I’ve) got to prove to them I deserve what I’ve gotten."

and this

"That kept me trying every day to be a better basketball player," Jordan said.

and this

"The game of basketball has been everything to me," Jordan said as he wound down. "My place of refuge, place I’ve always gone where I needed comfort and peace. It’s been the site of intense pain and the most intense feelings of joy and satisfaction. It’s a relationship that has evolved over time, given me the greatest respect and love for the game. I hope the millions of people I’ve touched have the optimism and desire to share their goals and hard work and persevere with a positive attitude. Although I recognize this is a tremendous honor this doesn’t define the end of basketball. It’s a continuation of something I started a long time ago. One time you may look up and see me playing the game at 50."

Say what you want about him, but the guy knows, understands, and respects the fact that greatness comes through beating the best, not dancing over the weakling you just pulverized.

by Sports2 on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

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