Hinrich out the next two games. So...could VDN really be fired?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST
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The veteran guard's sprained left thumb hasn't healed enough to allow him to play and he's out Tuesday against the New Jersey Nets and Wednesday against the Atlanta Hawks.
"Not until the end of the week or something like that," coach Vinny Del Negro said when asked about Hinrich's possible return. "But that's a day-to-day thing. Depending on how he feels, we'll make adjustments."
I haven't read any updates on Tyrus, but he's certainly out this week as well.
So, say Dr. Del Negro is optimistic and Hinrich's actually out the entire week. that means after the Nets on Tuesday, the Bulls could possibly be without Hinrich for @ATL, GSW, BOS. Then they have the Lakers to start next week, which they can't win even if everyone was healthy and slightly better.
That could mean a lot of losses. The mainstream reaction (both in print and on the radio throughout Monday) has been surprisingly agressive on VDN's job security. I guess I didn't have that reaction since I don't see him being any worse than usual, and in terms of results this Org. has set me up for a crummy year all offseason.
But if that reaction is actually tied to how the Org. feels (it's possible), and they lose to the Nets at home tomorrow night, would that really do it for VDN? I still don't think it's the best idea, since the typical bozos that become interim coaching hires (have you watched when Pete Myers takes over?) are just as over-their-head as VDN.
And I have zero confidence that they'd hire a real coach midseason, considering it took them 8 weeks in an offseason to hire Del Negro.
It's too bad, because if they did sell out a bit for some retread disciplinarian hire they likely could squeeze blood from this rock and get more wins. It's not like the Bulls are interested in developing guys anyway, and their rotation is so short as it is the (deemed) important young pieces like Rose and Noah will have to play no matter what. An uninspired but credible hire (like Byron Scott I suppose) plus a Tyrus trade for a veteran could get this team back to 'team on the rise' myth just in time for the offseason.
I still say the potential for disaster is too risky to axe VDN now. But if they lose to the Nets making it losses in 8 of 9 (and many of them blowouts)...isn't disaster already here?
(they won't lose to the Nets)
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Don't get my hopes up like this
Please. I was hoping Lou Piniella would be gone and that didn’t happen either.
I was looking at their schedule this week
and I believe the Bulls, as it is, will lose to the Nets. book it.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
yfBB is more optimistic than I am.
(they won’t lose to the Nets)
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
I'm not so sure they beat the Nets right now
I’d like to think so but they’ve got some interesting young players that can score (Devin Harris, CDR, Brook Lopez, Courtney Lee). That plus the crud we are running out there in Hunter, Miller, Pargo, and Gibson makes it about even.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Byron Scott?
Absolutely! The Hornets may not be a great team, but at least Paul blossomed into a star under Scott’s tutelage, making him infinitely more qualified to handle Derrick Rose than Vinny is.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
ehhh
i really hate that association, byron scott makes pg into super pg…..i hate it in the sense that people seem to think that scott made chris paul who he is, while i think its closer to say that scott let cp3 be cp3. Paul always had his unique ability to play the game (same with jason kidd) its just that scott perhaps didnt hamper the development….
So while i dont think scott is the cause of kidd and cp3 being superstars, i think having scott probably couldnt hamper rose anybit, and perhaps scott could teach rose to penetrate defenses and help rose how to play to his pottential. Scott wont automatically make rose a star, but he definetly could help him more than vdn, and isnt that the entire point anyway…to make rose better…?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I don't believe that Scott has this inate ability to breed superstar point guards,
but at least he seems to understand that sometimes you ditch the program and let your guy do his thing. Your last point is pretty much what I was getting at. Scott just seems to know what he is doing.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
i'm just glad
the nets already won a game and we will not be their first victory.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Well said
I too am glad the Bulls won’t face the chance of becoming the Nets’ first…
by BarstoolRodeo on Dec 7, 2009 7:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yfBB...who would be an inspired hire? especially midseason?
Thibodeau is on my short list but you can’t get him til the offseason. I’m not sure who else that could be available would really get me excited.
i cant remember
did avery johnson get a job yet?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
good question
Van Gundy, I guess? Though he’s on a similar level to Scott.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
i'd hire whoever says they'll play
tyrus thomas. and if they don’t, they’re fired.
in fact, make it a contract incentive. one year deal that becomes 3 if tyrus plays 32 min per. terminable at the organization’s option if not.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
playing tyrus thomas
will not solve shit at this point. Maybe if it was his first year or two and you had a coach and staff who was dedicated to help him figure his shit out. Then again, if the only way to get taj gibson to not play more than 10-15 minutes is to play tyrus 35 minutes everynight than i am for all that guarantee.
It will solve the problem of playing a PF waaaay below league average
since TT’s contributions are generally league average at this point.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I searched through Basketball Reference and found the following guys of interest
Van Gundy and Avery Johnson are by far the most accomplished guys out there. Both got to the Finals. Both have winning records in the regular season and good records in the playoffs.
I don’t see anyone else with close to their record out there. The only other guy I found that sort of interested me was Rick Pitino. I wonder if he learned his lessons and would jump ship on Louisville.
Well
We like to draft the gritty college players…maybe Pitino could work, but alas I’d rather go JVG or Scottie…
Still I think most of our problems lie in the GM’s office and not the coaching…I know I said it, but it’s friggin true.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I cannot imagine a scenario where Pitino would leave Louisville.
The city is larger than some pro markets and absolutely crazy about college basketball…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
And he wouldn't leave mid year if he did.
I was more or less just commenting here, not thinking too much about it….
But we do like to get good college players who’ll be more likely to listen to a college coach, so who knows….
Still I’d much rather give Pipp a chance.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I agree most of our problems are front office problems
Which makes me pretty leary of firing the coach. Everyone who advocates firing the coach should remember that the last time the front office made a coaching decision, it hired Vinny. And the time before that, it hired that guy whose name we don’t say.
Regarding Pitino, it’s pure speculation on my part, but he doesn’t seem as loved in Louisville as the casual outsider might think. I think U of L fans are a little miffed he hasn’t replicated his UK success. Especially since hiring a guy who coached at UK was a tough pill for some folks to swallow in any case. It’d be like the Bulls hiring Chuck Daly or Pat Riley. Also, he got some brad press when he cuckolded the team equipment manager whose wife then attempted to extort money from Pitino.
So, yeah, it’s all speculation, but there are some reasons to imagine he might consider moving someone if the right situation arose. He’s respected as a good and high profile coach at Louisville, but he’s not accorded the unconditional love or blank check he had at UK because he hasn’t (yet?) delivered.
Inspired?
I’d settle for just competent. Remember when the knock on Doug Collins’s candidacy was that he was the kind of coach that could bring a team from A to B but not from B to C? At this point, getting to B would be an enormous accomplishment for this team.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
i just dont see what the upside is of a midseason firing
i guess i may just be jaded from the skiles/boylan saga, but i mean how often does a midseason canning make things better? the byron scott/lawrence frank situation in new jersey comes to mind, but that is an exceptional situation since not every team has a talented young coach like frank waiting in the wings. i guess the sixers midseason firing worked out ok last year, but i just see a lot more negatives to a midseason firing than positives. until it becomes blatantly clear that the team has quit on vdn (and i dont think they have yet), to me there is no upside. especially since we don’t have an impressive young assistant ready to take over and would most likely be subjected to either bickerstaff (gag) or myers (double gag)
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When's teh 20-game mark?
I think you’ve been making that call since Del Negro insisted on starting Thabo and then Hinrich over Gordon.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I have an idea, actually it wasn't all my idea.. why not Pip?
I love what he said about Deng.
That’s the one thing I would like to see more from Luol, the ability to take control at the end of games, whether it is scoring valuable points or getting his teammates involved when it matters the most.
I know many of you have been against this idea but I’m to the point where I don’t see anyone on the outside doing the job and he does know this team. It sounds interesting to me at least. He would have their respect, look at Luol’s eyes he’s like man that Scottie Pippen.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
I thought of Pip too
But he can coach and yell all he wants at Lu, i think maybe Lu doesn’t have the ability to take over a possesion, much less the 4th qtr.
by Trey23 on Dec 7, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
put him in the post more.. he's actually really good in the post from what I've seen..
Deng is an extremely versatile player who can play out on the perimeter and in the post. That is a valuable combination of talents in the NBA. Luol doesn’t need to set up 30 feet away from the rim—that’s a long way to go to the basket when you want to score. He needs to master that mid-range game, so he’s close enough to hit a 10-foot shot if it’s open, or make his move to the basket. One of the reasons Deng has been scoring more is that he’s gotten some time at power forward. The Bulls are taking advantage of his versatility against other fours who might lack in that area. When the matchups allow, I believe the Bulls are a better team with their smaller lineup out there.- pip
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Agreed
Post play doesn’t have to result in a bucket or free throws all the time (although your chances of getting fouled go way up if you look like you are making a move). Just the fact that you throw it in there will result in 1) some collapse of the D, even a minor threat like Deng or Noah or Fish 2) defenders will relax, peeking at the post, allowing for others to lose thier defender, whether its by cutting hard, or floating to the corner for an open 3) offensive rebounding
Why don’t teams start hiring these former stars as assistants more often?
I’m not sure Pippen would be a success, but I would be very happy to see him as an assistant or a forward coach.
yeah I'd like to see him work with some of the Bulls.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
That, or "Dude, get a life and quit living in the past."
What about Scottie-as-coach is going to magically bring something out of Luol we haven’t seen in the past 5 years?
And why trade in the coach with no experience, who now has some experience, to go the coach with no experience route again?
Just waiting on some offense....
by wjb1492 on Dec 7, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He was a better player???
This season is lost for all winning intents and purposes. Maybe they strike gold and he’s a genius. Maybe he blows hard and they assure themselves of a good lottery pick. ::sigh::
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Those 2 are great options
I really believe motivation can squeeze out more from certain players, by certain coaches
At least, from his comments, we know he understands basketball.
Whereas I’m not really sure how much VDN even knows about the game. So hey, that’s a plus! And you know that players would respect him. Do you think anyone in the Bulls locker room really gives a shit what Vinny Del Negro has to say? I highly doubt it. Basically, it couldn’t be any worse. I’m pretty much in “eff it” mode with the Bulls anyways, so whatever. I just want to see anyone on the sideline that’s NOT clueless-looking VDN.
I think Pip knows more about this current Bulls team than Vinny does.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Yeah, I really enjoyed his write-ups.
I didn’t realize he was keeping up that much with the Bulls, but I guess he has to if this is something he’s doing as a part-time job or whatever. I like what he said about Deng in the post. Since we have, you know, zero post scorers, maybe it’s something we should utilize more often? Is it that hard for Vin to think outside the box for once?
Yes I've been screaming for Deng in the post since he was drafted! It's where they need to play him.
Here is a Pip quote.
“What’s my disadvantage?” Pippen asked. "No NBA coaching experience? [Scott] Skiles’ record with the Bulls wasn’t that great. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do what you’ve done your whole life. I’ve played basketball, run teams and won.
“They didn’t put me at point guard because I could dribble good. They put me there because I could run a team. I wasn’t the best dribbler, the best shooter. I wasn’t a point guard. But I knew how to run a team.”
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
He makes an excellent point
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
joejoe, now you're dr. cal lightman? :-D
He would have their respect, look at Luol’s eyes he’s like man that Scottie Pippen.
(since i don’t really watch tv, i had to look up the character’s name in “lie to me”.)
it would seem obvious to put pip on the bulls’ bench. great players often make terrible nba coaches, but those are usually the ultra talented superstars (that can’t relate to how difficult the game can be for “normal” players). pippen was one, but he also was a terrific high B.B.I.Q. player. when he and rodman were on the team, weren’t they just about the best pairing of IQ and physical gifted players ever? also, he overcame a lot in the process of excelling in the league, in terms of his personality and shyness.
anyone who can recall the first few years of pippen remembers he couldn’t shoot a lick and was definitely not taking over any games, even as number two. seems like a guy who could only help.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
we feel
mythically legendary bbiq plus desire trumps physical talents? and that shooting is a physical talent too?
wasn’t the issue with bird as coach the very thing of “relating to nba rank and file”?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
How about Dennis Rodman for coach?
If nothing else, it would be “interesting”.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 7, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
c'mon
i left out that part in the editing.
must i explain everything to you people?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
remember my sig from the wallace/griffin suspension?
joakim noah for player/coach!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
exactly great players make bad coaches because they were selfish players/scorers.
Pippen wasn’t. Pippen did everything and his basketball IQ was one of the all time great. Plus some would say he was a coach when he played later on. I think he could handle different personalities I mean he played with Rodman for 3 years.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
You cant just throw the guy into the lions den like that yet.
Let him be on the staff not as a head coach.Then when the time comes let him be the guy.
You're right.
I threw this out to Sam Smith and he shot this down. He said Pippen doesn’t work hard and just wants the head coaching position without even being an assistant. I guess Pippen is a bad choice to him. But I’m not around them so I guess I don’t see all the behind the scene shit or know what Pippen has being doing since he’s been retired.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
I'm going to agree with Smith
The fact that Pippen doesn’t want to put in time as an assistant first is a big red flag to me. It signals that he’s either unwilling to put in the necessary time to truly understand the job and do it right.
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and say you can do it. It’d be a lot more credible to do that after working your way up to the position.
I wish they applied that criteria to the hiring of VDN
I have a hard time believing Pippen is lazy
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe lazy isn't the right word
I don’t know that I’d call Pippen lazy, but I’d pretty concerned with how well he’d do when he’s confronted with the realities of NBA coaching. There’s a hell of a big difference between saying you can do a job and actually doing it.
I’m suspicious of guys who want to jump to the front of the line. With VDN, I think he must be, somehow, a real silver-tongued bastard in a one-on-one situation.
Which is odd, because when I hear him, he sounds like a boob. A passionate boob, who passionately exudes passion when pasionately talking about a passion-filled game he has a truly passionate passion for, but a boob nonetheless.
Paxson is a line jumper
Gar came in with Tim Floyd.
The earned Dorf credits all appear to be acquired on the recommendation of someone else The Chairman liked that he later amicably separates from.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Ok, here we go.. you're going to make me say something cheesy.. and that will get taken out of context.
Pippen has more experience than probably 75 % of the head coaches in the league.
I have always been curious to see him coach. He’s not perfect, sometimes he’ll say things that make you scratch your head but when the game is going on in it’s very heated essence he knows how to handle people/situations because he’s been to the mountain top a few times.
Really I just don’t know any better choice at this point.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
I just don't buy the whole great player = advantage as coach
I’ve seen that fail, and the coaches I most respect were not “great” players.
I have nothing against Scottie getting into coaching at all, but I’d rather see him as an assistant coach, or getting his feet wet elsewhere. At a minimum, if they want to go the no-coaching-experience route again (which again, I’m not in favor of), I think you have to do it in the offseason when there’s a chance to plan and pick a good staff. Throwing someone inexperienced at coaching out there mid-season with a short roster sounds like a recipe for total disaster to me.
And I’m just not at the “try anything else, because it can’t be worse” stage. Maybe I’ll get there, if Kirk and Tyrus get back and the team is still getting blown out by the Raptors of the world regularly – but I’m not anywhere close to that now.
Just waiting on some offense....
ok lets say vinny is fired why not ive Scottie the rest of the season with Deng,Rose and Noah
and help develop him and get his feet wet.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
A plan
Fire VDN. Promote Bickerstaff. Hire Pip as the lead assistant.
I want to see Pippen coach.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I don't know about as a head coach
But why not at least bring him in as a special assistant to work with the wing players like Deng and JJ.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Derrick Rose needs a teacher like Byron Scott.
Byron has coached great point guards before and he played next to probably the best ever with Magic. Rose needs a direction, and someone who will understand him better coming from similar backgrounds. People say what they want about Byron Scott but he’s a winner, he’s associated with winning and again, great point guards. We let B.G go, we’re getting rid of Tyrus, and we didn’t scoop Iverson when we had the chance. Not getting Byron Scott will be a big mistake!
I don't want another first time coach
Call me crazy. Maybe they should act like a franchise that’s won 6 banners.
Wait, wait, wait. Lopez and Harris won't crush us?
I have to admit, I was wrong about this year. Evey player except Noah, has been terribly ineffective (that’s a good way to put it, i think).
my candidates: Hubie Brown, Michael Cooper, Jeff Van Gundy, Mike Ditka
Surprised Noah hasn’t been suspended for his rebellion against King James. Not by David Stern, by Lindsey Hunter.
that was in the raptors game though
he wasn’t fined for calling lebron the bitch he is.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I think a loss to the nets, as painful as it will be, will be a good thing for the bulls
VDN’s hotseat will get hotter, much much hotter, and it will bring to light how inept the roster we currently have is. Maybe the mental giant JR will get wind of the loss and breakout that fat wallet of his, spend some real cash on a real HC. Sorry Vin, I gave you the benefit of doubt all last season, and the beginning of this one, but your ass needs to go, NOW!!!!
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
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by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 7, 2009 6:27 PM CST reply actions
If we lose to the Nets VDN should get canned on the spot.
I mean Pax should walk out at the end of the game and hand VDN his pink slip. Then insert Byron Scott.
Homecoming
The pressure of holding up this crumbling organization killed him.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
doesn't the story go
paxson didn’t really even want to be a basketball player that badly? that it was his older brother and coach father….
i mean, when you’re a kid and it’s the whole point of life for the family, in a sense you really don’t have a life if you choose not to.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
I dnt know
But if its true, he was extremely good and clutch for a guy who didnt choose to play on his own
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2009 1:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
It sucks that I have to be down on Pax cuz he should be a Bulls legend…but come on now Pax, I thought you were moving away from the day to day to be less involved in the emotions of the team (i.e. to facillitate some trades), what the f.
Gar f-d up with the depth, but where’s the trade talk… I mean the best we can come up with so far is Harrington? Surely there’s more out there….and it’s sad that I might like the change for TYrus just becuase I’m sick of this team dicking him around so much….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Seriously
Michael Cooper or Jeff van Gundy?
Mark Jackson?
I hated him as a player
But I really like his broadcasts. And he knows modern NBA ball inside and out
yea, sucks as a broadcaster, wouldnt want to have him in charge
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 7, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Here is a sample of Mark's dumbass-ness
I bet some people remember this
He is a grade A idiot.I bet VDN could be a better brocaster than him.lmao
haha, pippen shut him down with one line, at the end.
81 points…and he’ll be done, what, the first week of May?
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 7, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Jackson is a VERY mediocre broadcaster
So he fits right in at ESPN
by dbrown1225 on Dec 7, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he is an angry dude, maybe from all those years of stinking it up on the knicks, with ewing
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 7, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
How about
Patrick Ewing as Bulls next coach. He coaches now, was a great player, and played for two hall of fame coaches in Riley and Thompson. I actually kind of like the idea of Pip but Ewing is the better choice in my mind for a first timer.
by wfrv5 on Dec 7, 2009 7:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I second that
Mark Jackson’s a moron in the telecasts:
Scottie Pippen
Jeff Van Gundy
Byron Scott
And I’m even now on the Avery Johnson bandwagon..
Still with the team the way it is now they won’t do much better than Vinny, but might change teh look of the team and lineups….
We need a trade…we can’t lose into a max player…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Could Lawrence Frank do for Derrick Rose
what he did for Devon Harris?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 8, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny fired? But...but... X-mas is still a few weeks away!
But if if THE (B)ORG finally realized no potential free agent would play for VDN..hell, why not shit-can him early for Scott or Van Gundy?
While I (grudgingly) admit that the loosing record is not VDN’s fault, his hiring sets a bad image for the Bulls. They hired VDN because he was cheap and agreeable…everybody knows this now.
And the Nets (with Devin Harris back and Brook Lopez) are not as horrible as their record appears.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Dec 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions
But if Pete Myers is the interim coach...this team can go f*ck itself.
The only reason to fire VDN and promote Myers is to hope that the Bulls win the lottery again…because they sure as hell will not be hiring a marquee free agent next year with that kind f record.
Hell, the Nets (with a good point guard,a big center, expected high draft pick, and no expectations whatsoever) are about as likely to sign a marquee free agent next year as the Bulls are under VDN. And that’s just fu*king sad.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Dec 7, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sam says the Harrington trade talks was more on the Knicks side than the Bulls, they really want Tyrus Thomas.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Knicks try to sign him this summer. http://www.nba.com/bulls/
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
what do you guys make of this talk that D-Rose doesn't have what it takes to be our franchise player?
Are you guys worried by D-Rose’s play, to the extent that maybe he’s already reached his ceiling?
I
I'm not encouraged
But its still too early. We’ve seen a lot of moments where he has “it.”
Trust the eye test. Peyton Manning was horrendous his first season, Kobe was medicore his first 1-2 years at age 18-19.
It’s up to him to learn to play NBA ball night in night out.
I doubt anyone here doubts his high physical ceiling.
Whether he has the makeup to get there is a whole different question. I have seen nothing, sans Game 1 against Boston, that tells me he’s going to be a star.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Too risky?
I’d rather anyone on this board coach than VDN. Surely any one of us has a concept of what defense is, and is aware of more than isolation on offense.
Yea
Thats such a bad statement…granted vdn is a horrendus coach…but he was actually IN the league…and it wasnt just on athleticism…aside from maybe scotter I cant think that any of us have the ability to coach as well as vdn…much less better
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2009 1:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know this has nothing to do with this.
But does anyone think that lebron had more hype than MJ ever had?
I just saw the WGN news at nine
And Dan Roan said that Tyrus was out for this week too. So, keep that in mind.
the ticker line at the bottom screen on nba tv says
tyrus thomas hopes to return to practice within a week or two.
that hinrich isn’t healing as anticipated was mentioned during the broadcast of the cavs game.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
On Pete Meyers...
I always wondered why they went to Boylan… The only game I remember Meyers coaching they narrowly lost to a much better Spurs team…
they lost by 15
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712260SAS.html
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's what happens when you play Ben Wallace for 34 minutes...
With Tyrus and Noah watching mostly from the bench.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 8, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
Oooohhhh memories, memories.
So, so, so infallible. I live historical records with numbers compiled into groups, normally called “stats”. They help one know what the hell he or she is talking about.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Three things I wanna see tomorrow.
Rose being selfish and JJ getting some good burn. I never thought I’d say this Aaron Gray losing weight. With Brad Miller in retirement this teams needs all the help it can get.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Apply the Law of Addition by Subtraction and fire Vinny now.
I’d love to see Hubie Brown or VanGundy take over the reins. I’d have no problem with Scottie or even Dennis Rodman although he’d probably miss most practices trying to outdo Tiger Woods. Hell, I’d even settle for Doug Collins or Stacey King. The only one’s I’d turn down besides our entire current staff of coaching misfits would be Jim Boy*@n, Neil Funk, Garth Brooks, Ron Turner and Lovee Smith.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
I would add Tim Floyd to that list.
Jim Boy*@n, Neil Funk, Garth Brooks, Ron Turner and Lovee Smith.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 8, 2009 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
If we cannot get Byron Scott or Avery Johnson
I say get those foxy female coaches Pat Summitt, or Nancy Lieberman Kline. 1- Those women know there stuff and 2- they are a sight for sore eye’s, that way if the Bulls lose at least we’d have the opportunity to see two fine ladies with great thighs and glutes strutting there stuff!
I am conflicted
I want to be through thick and thin again :)—because I love the Bulls and spend all friggin summer waiting for the Bulls, and Rose is fun to watch and Noah’s awesome and I want Tyrus and Hinrich back (yes Hinrich, who I hope is just in a friggin slump)….
But I am worried that we’re gonna lose to the Nets and I’ll then have to admit to watching us lose to the Nets—despite the fact that we should be better—and thus I’ll be damnign myself for watching this game….
I am also trying to give them a 1 week ban, the management doesn’t deserve my fandom…but no bother, my wife bet me that I’ll watch tonight, and I am conflicted….if we get beat or killed I’ll be beyond mortified, it’ll be 1999 all over again, except this time with underperforming talent…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
GS
At least the Golden St game is a automatic win with the way their playing.
by Dawn Callahan Kettlewell on Dec 8, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Doubtful
Why wouldn’t GSW just unload on us offensively like the Raptors?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Monte Ellis
he’s gonna go for 50!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Vinny
I wonder how long Vinny has before….
by Dawn Callahan Kettlewell on Dec 8, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions
I’d really like Avery, I thought they should’ve tried to hire him last year if the former contract I believe he was still getting paid did not interfere.
The team always seemed to love Avery and he led the Mavs to the playoffs over and over, almost winning a ring.
He was also defensive minded.
On a personal level, I did not care for Avery, but I respect him as a coach and would welcome him here.
Even if a crappy assistant takes over for VDN the rest of the year, I think it is a net gain for us. It assures a release of our crummy coach and virtually guarantees a shot at a better coach next season.
I really can’t take anymore “play hard, shoot open shots” peptalks in the huddles. Seriously, they pay these guys millions to do a poor man’s high school coach impression?
Avery is a good coach but he had two well known point guards Harris and Kidd and both said he is too controlling in the offense he doesn’t let the players play he limits their abilities. We have Derrick Rose who is a very athletic point guard I don’t want to see Derrick just wait to get a play call from Avery first to do anything. look at harris after he left Dallas under Avery he had a great year and Kidd looked much better without Avery barking out commands. i
I agree. I'd rather see Scott than Johnson.
Scott at least let CP3 and Chandler play together in a way that maxed out their talent. Rose and Noah are similar athletically.
I want to see someone teach Rose to be aggressive on offense, Johnson would be running the offense from the sideline and I think he’d be a bad fit for Rose’s development. Which means the Bulls will probably hire him (“he’s hard-nosed, no-nonsense, fundamentals, blah, blah, blah”). I know a lot of people, especially the media, would love the hire given how the Bulls lack fire, tenacity, etc, and Johnson has experience. But I can’t state strongly enough how wrong I think he would be for the personnel the Bulls have.
If the Bulls botch their next coaching hire but getting someone as bad a fit for what they have as Avery Johnson, I’m going to have to stop paying so much attention to the team. There’s stuff around the house I could work on instead.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Scott doesn't attract me that much
He doesn’t have a reputation as the hardest working or smartest guy around, especially given his level of success.
How is VDN not letting his players play?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Every time they gone into transition
The go half court.He takes his players out when they are hot.Scott give the team more freedom while VDN is not.Why do you think as soon Rose passes the ball that he never sees it again,and do the same basic crap nearly every possession?That smells like something VDN would cook up.
Even if VDN isn't telling the players to run that stupid Rose passes and fades to corner offense
He at the least needs to tell them to not run it. I have to believe a better coach would have the ball in Rose’s hands more, even if Rose doesn’t want it.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Im sure Rose wants it
But hes the type to listen his coach.Its a good trait when the coach is actually good.VDN however is not
Byron had a bad GM
to deal with, the bulls GM is worse, I don’t think he’ll do much better in chi, especially with the razor thin depth behind the bulls starters
don't let the bed bugs bite
I don't think Vinny is getting fired...
They are off to a 7-11 start through 18 game this season, one off from last season’s 8-10 and last season they didn’t have the injury excuse (the Gooden/Hughes excuse, ah nevermind)…
This team was expected to struggle early in the season, with the tough schedule…which has been further complicated by the injuries to the already short rotation. I suspect management will let Vinny ride the season out, especially considering no one expects them to win a title this year. Remember, it is cheaper to keep him, and pay only one coach this season.
Then I want him fired the day after the Bulls are swept out of the first round by Cleveland, and hire Avery Johnson.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
We've lost 7 of our last 8 games
By seemingly 20 pts/average….
That’s not boding well…it’s one thing to lose 7 of 8 (not good) but to lose how we’ve lost is ridiculous. The Bucks game was a close loss, we didn’t destroy a totally injured Pistons team like watching the game you could see we should have….and we were annihilated embarrassingly so by Lakers, Blazers, Jazz and especially the Raptors who aren’t even in those other team’s’s leagues and might be the worst defensive team in the league this year….unless we keep this up that is.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
meh
They’re already paying the assistants. I don’t think he’ll get a raise, nor will they hire a replacement for the assitant’s assisting job. So the money is a wash.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Forgot about the Hinrich injury last season.
He played the first six, then got hurt…So he was around for 1/3rd of those games…and last year at this time we were talking about the guard glut…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Bernsy is ripping on Derrick Rose and his unselfishness or maybe it is selfishness.
I agree.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
At this point, it really shouldn't be contoversial to say Rose isn't especially good
On the court, he gives you what Aaron Brooks gives you on offense and he actively hurts the team on defense. Production and potential are not the same thing. And that lack of production is one big reason why getting a new coach seems like it might be a good idea.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Why can't Lindsey Hunter finish out the season?
No loss of continuity, knows players, has to have a better grasp of plays/game management/whom to play than VDN.
if he had a grasp of whom to play
he wouldn’t allow himself into the game.
But I don’t hate the idea. Why not have the Bulls bring on the (mostly mocking) attention it’d be in having the first player-coach in 30-or-whatever years?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Can't be any worse than the mocking we're already getting
right?
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 8, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't seem to me that VDN
Is letting Rose play his game.Rose struggled early and he is getting his groove back.But it seems that VDN isn’t trying to do much with him just the same old pick and roll that after 5 minutes into the game it wont work.He hasnt reached his ceiling yet. it’s been only 2 years.VDN to me is holding him back. Rose still have some things to learn.But VDN is wasting his development.
VDN should not get fired
VDN should not get fired for the play of this team this year. Bulls GM, if he’s smart would allow VDN to finish the season and make a decision then on to keep or release this coach. The structure of this team goes all the way up to the person that decide to hold cash, stock up on expiring contracts, and go with the current roster is at fault more than VDN. The Bulls Org is not the only team that is loading up to what is to be, the biggest free agent market in NBA history. Nevertheless, everyone from fans, players, front office personal was comfortable with going into the season with what they have for Summer 2010. So we can’t expect VDN to keep the Bulls competitive when the GM decided to let Gordon go and bring in Pargo, 2 rookies and the go to work with a rash of injured players. The only teams that are competitive now are young up and coming Poland types and title caliber teams that took advantage of the fire sale sorry clubs held to get a crack at Labron, Wade, and others. If you get rid of VDN what name is out there who could improve this team with what they have? This year the Bulls and many org forfeited for a shot at big name players.
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