Open Game Thread #18 OVERFLOW: Bulls vs Toronto Raptors
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 5, 2009 9:00 PM CST
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Rose played 28 mins last night and 26 tonight
Vinny saving him again?
I don't see anything in JJ honestly
Taj is ok as backup for 10 minutes a game
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 5, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls left the building before the game started,
and the Cows took their place.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 5, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
any1 catch the lakers heat game last nite, with kobe's lucky hail mary shot going in? i hate the douche bag
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:03 PM CST reply actions
Didn't that 3 ball go in off the backboard?
Lucky ass
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
yup, that paiece of shit never called bank, he just got a rabbit foot in his lucky ass
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I would still trade the bulls roster
for kobe, like they should have a few seasons back. Wasn’t Deng the dealbreaker for the bulls at the time?
don't let the bed bugs bite
kobe would have nixed any trade including deng.
so even if the bulls were willing to trade him, it was a dealbreaker the other way.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
ahh
thanks, i knew it was something about deng that made the trade fall apart.
don't let the bed bugs bite
JJ is here because in case we get into a detroit style brawl...
He can use his MMA skills to help us out
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
Google is your friend.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
The Internet is a conspiracy.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
he's here to be Rose's bodyguard
Charles Oakley with MMA skills
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
maybe he thinks "if any1 makes fun of it, I can just tai bo their ass"....lmao
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls peaked during their first game of the year...
Most other teams peak as the season progresses
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
don't worry yfbb,
no one wants to read your recap of this stinker.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Here is the recap:
COWS STINK!
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 5, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
he wrote it already.. he can just use one of those writeups from the other blow outs
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
were those blowout writeups
bad enough for tonight’s performance??
tonight had to have probably been one of the worst, if not THE worst loss for us this season.
hey chris bosh…did u see how we played tonight?? yeah we need you buddy…
I'm sure he stopped by the same liquor store Artest mentioned....
This game was over a long time ago, and I think he’s downing some hennessy
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Are the fans booing?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
Fuck those assholes who booed BG!
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 5, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
He was here for a number of years and helped lead us to 4 out of 5 playoff appearances. Show some fucking respect.
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Half the fans are wondering
how they know the guy that randomly gave them free tickets before the game.
LOL.....that sounds like a perfect scene in a comedy
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
If I were any of those guys...
I would NEVER EVER say I’m a pro basketball player…
Ok, is anybody's head facing down on the bench? Hand covering their face?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
I mean, Vinny has to get fired right? This is one of the most severe beatings I've seen
and the Bulls don’t even look like they care. The team has quit on the coach.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions
The organization has quit on itslef, if that makes any sense
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Bingo.....I have my fingers crossed
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
What? Why?
You have Lindsey Hunter out there standing around ON THE COURT. Why go for a loose ball when you can just stand still and watch Jarrett Jack grab it. It’s like you can coach while you’re on the court.
Gar for Executive of the Year!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
any1 else find it funy that salmons is in there with the all the bench riders in garbage time, i love that
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions
Right now, the Bulls are taking that D up their arse
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
lol, arse, lol
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
What, you guys have never heard of "arse" instead of "ass"?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
i have, is just hilarious to read it. llol
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
chicago team fans are die-hard man.... they are loyal beyond what their teams deserve, but hey, its the way it is
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Personally, I think Brad Miller should be starting at center with Tyrus out.
Move Joakim to PF.
by benhertz on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Brad Miller...
Should be nowhere near this team, much less cracking our starting lineup.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
There's an idea......rec for the best thing to come out of tonight
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I meant it (not sarcasm)....I think we need to shake something up
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Of course...it should start with shipping VDN out of here
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
By sSTARTING Brad Miller?
Have you even been watching this game?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I know.......but Taj is so ineffective out there....you have to do something different
Personally….I’d like them to just start JJ and see what happens
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Taj is definitely ineffective...
But Brad Miller actively hurts us on almost every possession.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
You got me there.....
I guess I’m just pulling at straws
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
they should
take a long hard look at picking up boozer.. as long as there not asking for rose or noah, they should do it.
don't let the bed bugs bite
There is nothing to control .. a team full of average players, why expect overachieving day-in and day-out
mgmt hung them all out to dry… Gordon was the best player on the team for the last 3 years, and he wasn’t even a superstar. But better than average.
(no low post scorer coupled with no explosive wing scorer… this is a recipe for a bad team no matter how we get frustrated and try to blame the players or the coach)
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Now I agree, but the organization much moreso in weight with Vinny!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
i dont know about the knicks, but i know the bulls are worse than the clips, by far
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
What do you guys think VDN is telling the players in the huddle?
“Guys? Why aren’t you ATTACKING the rim?”
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
Honestly, best game of the year
Finally the media will question the direction of the team. Much better they do it now than in game 35 like every other year.
Can we all agree that Wayne Winston was right about the loss of BG?
I mean… for real.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think so. BG fit this team better than most possible players in the league.
Bulls need shot creation and floor spacing, desperately. He’s one of the better players in the league at spacing the floor and can create shots for himself whenever he wants.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I agree there's something to the fit of teams
Mo Williams + average Cavs offense last year → dominant Cavs offense. Not sure how much of that was fluke, but there’s probably something to it. That losing Gordon turned the Bulls from a 110 rating team to a 100 though seems like an oversimplification.
is it really, though? He did so much for the Bulls offense. And apparently letting
him walk wasn’t some magical cure-all for the defense (obviously).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how much Gordon affected the team, but it might be more than we think.
They’re making 40% fewer 3 pt FG this year and at a 7% lesser rate. For a team that relies on jump-shooting so much, that’s pretty huge. Getting rid of Gordon accounts for 2 of those fewer makes (notice how, contrary to what you and the organization claimed Gordon’s “shots” weren’t taken by someone else) and a clip 10% higher than what the team is doing now.
Gordon accounted for 1/3 of the team’s 3FG attempts and made them at 41% rate.
The team is also taking 12% FT’s per game and making them at 6% less rate.
The two most efficient plays in the game, drawing fouls and shooting threes, having been drastically reduced. This does not take into account the peripheral, indirect affects of these shots, such as foul trouble on bigs, more FT’s later in quarters for the team (due to being in the bonus) and the all-too-famous “spacing” of the floor to let super awesome drivers of the basketball like Derrick Rose to have a little bit more room.
Finally, the indirect effect of getting rid of a “ball hog” and creating ball movement in ASSISTS, has decreased as well, not increased like we would have been led to believe.
*These are not pace adjusted. The Bulls were 10th in pace last year and are 26th this year. I am not adjusting for pace, because, I believe that bad offensive teams like to play slower, maybe even subconsciously.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't understand this way of thinking
he is the only person missing… what other explanations do you have?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Why can't the problem be a simple one?
In my experience, the biggest problems are often quite simple.
In this context, sure, Gordon was just another piece. Just like the keystone is just another piece in a Roman arch. Look at the keystone, and it’s about the same size or even smaller than the other pieces of the arch.
It’s also the difference between a functional piece of architecture and a pile of rubble.
hahahaha
Look at the keystone, and it’s about the same size or even smaller than the other pieces of the arch.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Fans should start bringing signs to the game with the terms of that contract they "rescinded"
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
i gotta say yes, but we were lead astray
with the play of salmons and miller at the end of last season, if we knew they really played like this, maybe keeping gordon wouldve been a notion they had???
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
fuck...no mercy rule huh?? the bulls need mercy
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions
just getting clowned on by the 3rd and 4rth stringers.
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions
6 out of the Bulls last 7 losses have been blowouts
It’s not all Vinny’s fault, but there has to be a fall guy
right its not all on VDN, but he has a major part of it, along with pax and reinsDORK
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls are getting beat by 35+ points by a BAD team. It's all over for Vinny.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully...
But the JR will probably keep him around for a couple more games
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
maybe they'll do him like scott skiles
and dump around right at christmas time.
Toronto really isn't that bad IMO (at least talent wise)...
But I do hope this is curtains for VDN.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
They are 8-13 and they are one of the worst defensive teams in the league.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but our offense got totally stymied by their terrible, terrible D.
Their offense torched the Bulls, too, but to not be able to put up any sort of points on THAT D? Pathetic.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
We have no offense...
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
In fact...
That’s my new sig.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Correction: they are THE worst defensive team in the league, and the Bulls
aren’t going to crack 85 points on them. Pathetic.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
First, their D is way better than Toronto's and second, they have won a ton of games.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's a ridiculously simplistic argument to make. Especially bc Calderon
is just as bad on D as Nash and not nearly as good on O.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand what the point is that you're trying to make.
I said the Raptors D sucks (it’s historically bad) and the fact that we couldn’t score on it is pretty damning. You responded with some nonsense about the Suns.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
My point was that our team and coaching are pathetic.
Not that it should necessarily be surprising that they got blown out, but that it’s an indication of how pathetic this team and its coach really are.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I concur.
Although, he’d a kept Gordon and not gone for two SF/PF that add little to nothing to the team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wow fundamentallysound
that is more patience than I would have had. lmao
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
The reason we couldn't score was simple...
Miller, Gray, Hunter, JJ, and Salmons… For a long stretch.
In the second half it was the same bunch of busters with Deng I think.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
The Raptors are actually the worst defensive team EVER so far
since the merger: since stats started to be kept.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Very sad
Toronto gives up a ton of points to everybody else.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Bosh, Bargnagni (sp?), Calderon, Derozen...
Decent talent.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Not on defense.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Fine but...
Bosh is WAY better than anyone we have.
Bargnani (sp?) would probably start on our team.
Calderon is definitely better than Hinrich.
Derozen would be our first player off the bench.
So yeah, talent wise they beat us hands down.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
What does Calderon have to do with Hinrich? Rose is our starting PG. Hinrich is injured.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Im just saying he's better...
I’m not going to claim he’s better than Rose though.
It really doesn’t matter though. Rose, Noah, and Deng is our whole team right now. I would swap Bosh, Bargnani, and Turkoglu for them given the chance.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Almost forgot about Turkoglu...
They destroy us talent wise.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe, but they are still a bad team and they just completely killed the Bulls.
Pathetic showing.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Because we are worse...
Your assertion that it was VDN’s fault is somewhat lacking in that context, but I agree he isn’t helping the matter.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
They might be worse, but when factoring in defensive talent
they aren’t 30+ points worse. They got shellacked tonight and didn’t even seem to care.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
I completely agree with that...
Those lineups with Miller, Gray, Hunter, JJ, and Salmons… The Bulls should have been offering refunds for that.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
With Tyrus and Hinrich out and Noah limited VERY EARLY due to foul trouble, are we really that good at defense?
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think the Bulls individual defensive talent is that far superior
to Toronto’s with Hinrich out.
Turleyglue_when he wants can be a physical and pesky defender in the mold of kirk. Rose is just not that good. Salmons is prolly average at best. Deng is above average. Tyrus is a good help side defender-at best (and is out). Kirk is a very good defender (and out). Taj is a rookie. Miller is old (sh)
Noah is very good defender when the opponent doesnt overwhelm him physically and at thsi point barley above average (albeit improving).
with kirk out I’d say they have as much individual ability to defend as we do. and offensively they are much better.
The fact that we have defended as well as we have this year is definately something Vinnie can hang his hat on.
meh.... They have 3 defensive guys in the front court
in Deng, Gibson and Noah. And then Thomas when he gets back. All of those guys were known as defenders, not offenders (hahahhahahaha) coming in.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Didn't Rodman say that was his ultimate fantasy?
To play naked.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
yup lol
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
fuck these guys, dont let this team and bears ruin or interfere with your life
i am down on these idiots too, but fuck them if im gonna let my emotions and spririt down cuz of them, they are only a team i like……you think they give a fuck about any1 of us??.. Like my friend chavez says, If kobe or Mj saw me in the street, lying in the gutter, they would probably spit on me and walk off……fuck them, we shouldnt get so down when our teams stink
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 5, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Who's gonna replace him? Myers? Bickerstaff?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
Isn't he playing in Europe or something?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind that
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I second that
or even Lawrence Frank
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
i'd
second byron scott, I might start watching more than 5 minutes of the first quarter…
don't let the bed bugs bite
Honestly....I say scrap everyone and just bring in a European coach to coach Derrick.
Gotta find out what we have in him, then figure out everything else in the offseason
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Get out
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
excuses.. the two are barely starters and Tyrus has never been a consistent starter..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
What, what is he saying?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
VDN on the bench looking like a god-dammed deer in the headlights.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
Where patronizing suckage happens. Im out, see ya in April, not
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
GRAY WITH THE AIRBALL!
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
cows suck :(
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
For Miami, New York or Cleveland?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 5, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Another knee injury?
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh S**** I forgot there were other games on...why didn't you say so earlier
I really feel bad for the guy….they had to carry him out on the stretcher
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
out for the season
sucks for Oden and Blazers fans. I’m not a Portland fan, but that is the worst thing ever.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
the funny thing is the Bulls could have been really good had they paid BG
and drafted better. blah blah blah
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Proof positive that the Bulls quit on their coach:
That’s your captain, Luol Deng, not trying to steal the ball while Jarrett Jack ties his show DURING THE GAME.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
That was classic....should be on sportscenter tonight
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
It better be
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
That is fucking disgusting
I’m sick of this shit
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm surprised Deng didn't tie it for him.
by benhertz on Dec 5, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
lol
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Rec b/c we need some serious comedy to get over this crap
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
He wanted change on the spot...
So he thought he would wait till later
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
this some funny s..t
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Holy #%*(#
Lmao
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
please please
post that as a seperate fanshot… maybe someone important will catch it and management will have to deal with the consequences of sucking.
by Sambossanova on Dec 5, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Done and done.
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/12/5/1187463/proof-positive-that-the-bulls-quit
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
and rec'd to help generate the buzz
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Everyone rec that please...
Get it to the top of BAB if possible.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 5, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
32 - 13 Alabama
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Nope....his delivery alone probably hurts him
Not to mention all the LBs will be big and fast enough to bring him down solo.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Damn....that's so cold
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I bet Gordon is saying...
“Damn, I’m glad they didn’t sign me this year
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
Well guys he had a nice run in the 90's clearly JR has other plans for this team.
Have a nice life!
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
The Bulls have the Nets next. I kind of hope they lose, since the Nets are the worst team in the league
and the Bulls have been getting blown out game after game, maybe it gets Vinny canned.
Also, how many coaches do guys like Luol, etc. get to quit on before their labelled bad character guys?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 5, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions
Yeah If they don't can him after this game...
They will after we lose to the Nets
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to think that we are the worst team in the league
Right now, I’m wondering how we won seve games so far, one against San Antonio and another in Cleveland
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
In the first game of the season
we looked fantastic. Our defense was stellar…
but now…we’re in the bottom 5 teams in the league
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 5, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
we were riding on overachieving ..this team is very familiar with it.
it’s amazing what can be done when one believes, but when reality sets in this early in the season..things don’t look good.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
That's kind of a tricky one this time around.
VDN (or at least his strategies) has been ridiculed by the likes of Hollinger and others on ESPN.com. He might get a pass this time around for the utter incompetence that is VDN
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
the Nets aren't the worst team in the league
They’re better than the Timberwolves!
At least we’re better than the Timberwolves. At least, with Kevin Love out. …
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Honestly, I'd quit on Del Negro, too, if I thought it would "send a message".
I feel like I have good character (away from blogs).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
also
derrick rose golden boy, is being outshun by his succesor. Tyreke Evans is playing all star level b-ball and is on a much better team than rose.
I wonder if/how Tyreke will be affected when Martin comes back.
I don’t know how, but they seem to be playing fine without him….if they bring him back and have to run plays for him, it will take the ball out of Tyreke’s hands
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
It's impossible to judge Rose when he only plays 3 quarters
In the games he’s actually played the entire game and they weren’t getting blown out Derrick has been better.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 5, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Derrick has been nothing more than passable thus far.
He’s got what, one or two 20 point games? He’s the future of this team? I sure hope not.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
In fairness...
We did see what he can do when there is an actual player on the floor who can hit a 3 (BG). It’s not his fault that teams don’t have to stretch out and create space on D anymore.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 6, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
gordon is gone, but that doesnt mean he has to give up like he has.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I don't think he did that
He’s just strugling because the D are defeding him better. And since the Bulls don’t have any other threat, they only focus on Derrick
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
They don't double him that often.
He’s got open lanes throughout the game, he either doesn’t see them or turns down the chance to take his man off the dribble. He doesn’t want it bad enough.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
there were
a few games where Rose would wake up in the fourth quarter, but true, its not going to happen when hes on the freakin bench.
don't let the bed bugs bite
whats even worse the Bulls players have no value.
They can’t even trade for Al fucking Harrington.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Did he mention that the players have tuned him out
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I have more sympathy for the roster
because the coach sucks.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 5, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
If you gave him all veterans and only 8 of them good and the other 7 horrible....
….and they never got hurt, and/or you told him who to start and how much to play each player, yeah, he’d be alright.
But then, playing time is pretty much the most significant way a coach can affect a game anywho.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Like I said previously, the problem lies beyond the coaching
It’s the lack of the will to compete. We saw this yesterday against Cleveland and we sure as hell saw it today. We just sorta stopped playing. There is no excuse for this.
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
When you don't trust the "system" this is what happens
Honestly, I think our putrid offense excellerates the “quitting” thing. We can’t score enough to compete and the players know it.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Exactly
And wasn’t this game supposed to be “easy”? We were supposed to regain our confidence with this game, but if anything, we lost all of our confidence (whatever was left)
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 5, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the bad
is that they seem to have let the stupid circus trip difficultly get to them. i mean, it’s over with and they generally competed, even as they fell apart at the end of many of the games.
then to come out like this at home? after being slapped by lebron and the bitchdance? it’s just so incredibly sorry.
i’m glad noah is frustrated. some other dudes need to get mad too.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Deja Vu?
I remember two years ago against Toronto before Christmas, the Bulls absolutely laid down and Skiles pulled the ever popular “five for five” substition in the third quarter. This loss tonight was about as bad. At least Skiles had ideas offensively and defensively. I thought that Paxson was impressive with VDN’s creativity when he interviewed him? Have you seen a more boring product? We bring Del Negro in with a Phoenix pedigree with the idea that he can employ some of those ideas with Rose. Then, he hires Bernie and Dell and tries just about everything last year without a plan. Then, in an attempt to become a defensive team, they let go the player best suited to play with Rose (along the way, they never taught Tyrus how to effectively screen and attack the rim hard like Amare in Phoenix). The final nail in this coffin will be when we are shut out of every major free agent next year and either spend like the Pistons did (A level money for B level talent) or roll it over and try again in 2011. All the while, Derrick and Noah will get frustrated and start to evaluate their options on the open market. Will Rose’s love of LA coincide with the Lakers creating cap room in three years. I feel like I’m watching a History Channel 2012 scenario.
This point isn't against you, but since you brought up the whole Vinny-Phoenix thing,
what the hell did Paxson think with this hire? Vinny was an announcer, the director of player personnel and the assistant GM? What about that screams head coach? He obviously didn’t blow Pax away with his abundance of basketball intellect, as he clearly has none, so what did they see in him? It’s one thing if he had some coaching under his belt, but shit, he’s a rookie coach. It’s like buying a kid with a drivers permit a Lamborghini. There’s a reason kids start off with a fifteen year old beater, and there’s a reason most coaches start as assistants or down at the high school and collegiate level, not at the freaking NBA. Jeez, just thinking about this is getting me all riled up.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Paxson thinks?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Here's how the conversation went
Vinny: I played for Valvano.
Pax: I played for Digger.
Vinny: Valvano knew Digger.
Pax: They were friends.
Vinny: I’m Italian.
Pax: Your communication skills are obvious. Want to coach?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
well, Pax was hired out the broadcast booth
and after quitting as an assistant coach due to the workload.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks "GB".. I feel your pain. I feel some consolation while others also have to suffer
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
I think you're being overly pessimistic for no reason GB.
I feel to offset this negativity, requires a fanshot from me. I see blue skies ahead for this team as long as they don’t upset the chemistry by getting rid of our leader, Vinny.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
I appreciate the positive energy
Clearly, if we attack more and bring more energy, we’ll be fine. Of all of my favorite Bulls cliches, the bringing of energy, whether we here it from VDN, Skiles, Stacey King or any player, is always the source of our success or failure. Not the fact that we stand around on offense, have one person under the boards for rebounds, we don’t utilize schemes to leverage the talent that we do have, and we’re horrible evaluators of our own talent. Other than that, things are looking up.
Pretty excited about this loss
I’d like to see wins as much as anyone else, but a middling Bulls team hovering around .500 (which would be the best case scenario given the team’s coaching deficiencies) would just provide more cover for VDN’s incompetence.
The Bulls need to treat their VDN quickly and decisively. Only then can the healing begin. A few more losses like this one and the brass will have to respond.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 5, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions
Oh wow.
Sorry, I failed. Lots of stuff happening yesterday, and … I don’t know. My head’s not in a ‘basketball’ place right now, as much as I’d like it to be.
Won’t happen again.
-
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I really should've withdrawn my name after putting it up.
:/
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
[I was supposed to write the pregame thing.]
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
clearly, your lack of pregame thread doomed the bulls.
jk of course, hope everything is OK with you.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
at the risk of sounding
like stacy king, why not punish the raps and calderon with derrick at the top of the arc, right from the get go? they did it a lot last year. (and that’s just for starters.) i’d rather see more movement actually, but if they’re intent on having three guys standing around for “spacing”, why not four if it means a more effective pg/star player? mix it up some.
am i missing something, do they even iso derrick unless it the obvious-last-shot-scenario?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Stop making sense!
Its not like the Raps are a bad defensive team with Calderon even worse as an individual defender. Add to that the fact Bargnani is soft as pudding and we should’ve seen a heavy dose of what you described.
THIS IS WHY YOU DON’T HIRE A COACH WITH NO EXPERIENCE OR ANY KIND OF PEDIGREE TO COACH YOUR #1 PICK!!!
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Didn't watch past the 1st quarter
can somebody tell me why Noah got 2 technical fouls?
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
Nobody knows why he got the first because, get this...
It happened during a commercial break and Neil Funk wouldn’t shut up about some other nonsense story when they got back. I think it had something to do with a call on Taj that he objected to, but who knows?
The second one was for throwing the ball into the rim stansion thingy. I think he just wanted to go home at that point.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 6, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
AT least he seems to be upset about losing.
I fully expect him to blow a gasket at some point in the near future. I know I would, playing with this awful crew of impassionate ball players.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
There should be an 'all going-to-go-crazy-from-losing team'
We have a PF [Noah] and a SG [CDR], at least. Maybe the PG can be Paul, and then … the SF … can … be … ?!?. And the C can be … somebody else.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Ha ha
Chris Paul should definitely be on there.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Anyone see what Houston has been doing?
Nobody can convince me that Houston is more talented than we are, yet they have a better record and are far more competitive than this sorry ass Bulls team. Look at their roster: Brooks, Lowry, Scola, Ariza, Hayes, Landry, Buddinger, etc, etc. Look no farther than their coach. Adelman is the real deal as far as coaching goes and if he were here I absolutely believe this team would be no worse than a sixth seed. Honestly, the guy is a genius. Sure, the stat-oriented management there has obviously done well getting productive lesser-known players, but hell, they play the game right.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
i like houston without yao (too slow) and mcgrady
sad thing is we were playing like houston for a while.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
how could you forget battier!
scola is good inside and can pop, even if he’s not a must double-team. i do think it is a good comparison:
battier – deng
landry/hayes – noah
brooks – rose
lowry – hinrich
ariza – thomas
scola – miller
adelman was available summer of ‘07. too bad “we” didn’t know skiles wouldn’t make it past christmas two years ago…
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Houston has more talent
Scola >> Miller
Ariza >> Thomas
Brooks == Rose
I’d only give Noah the nod over Landry/Hayes.
Oh, but also, Adelman >>> VDN
by hitlesswonder on Dec 6, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
You are a retard if you think Brooks=Rose
by Super-Structure on Dec 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Nice incisive comment filled with finely detailed arguments, I give it an 8.9
You should look at their stats before typing up something like that. I may dumb as a bag of rocks, but it’s not because I think Brooks and Rose are equivalent in 2009.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 7, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Brooks is not equal to Rose, talent-wise.
And Ariza is very overrated. Him and T2 are almost equal.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 6, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Talent-wise, no. Production-wise, yes
Here’s Brooks this season.
Here’s Rose this season.
They are almost identical stats-wise. Use the player compare feature if that helps. And I do not believe that Rose’s defense is better than Brooks.
Look, Rose is an athletic freak. But that doesn’t mean he’s better than Brooks on the court right now. Having a higher ceiling doesn’t make him a better player in games this season.
The fact that he should be better than Brooks is one reason that the entire Bulls front office should probably be canned. Their ongoing disregard for the lack development of such a talented player is ridiculous.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 6, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Production
Having an excellent coach and a working system helps bring the most out of a player. If Rose and Brooks switched teams it wouldn’t even be close.
they are much more talented than chicago.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
They have a great org too
But the Bulls are the most profitable. So, we got that going for us.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Those guys play with heart
That’s why they were able to give LA such a hard time last year even when Yao went down.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
I'm jealous of the Kings organization
Their franchise looked like they were heading for doom last few seasons, but they bounced back by making all the right decisions: hiring Paul Wesphal, making the right draft pick and keeping the core pieces. Now they are 9-9.
By the way look at their core pieces compared to the Bulls before Rose:
Spencer Hawes – Noah
Jason Thompson – Tyrus
Francisco Garcia – Deng
Kevin Martin – Gordon
and with a high draft pick: Tyreke Evans-Rose
We had similar pieces, but they made the right basketball decisions while the Bulls hired VDN, let Gordon go for nothing, drafting wrong talents. More proof Bulls front office sucks and only cares about making money
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
yes! its one thing if they are cheap but
the drafting of taj and johnson still doesn’t pan out money wise, they have contracts that are pre determined, it would make more sense packaging the draft picks for one slightly higher pick (thus saving on contracts) or trading those picks for ones in next years draft and if you wanted to dump salary you could use the excuse of trading a current bulls player for any expiring PF to balance the roster. Bulls org just sucks period.
don't let the bed bugs bite
They did what most teams are unwilling to do
unload their aging leadership and play the kids. Salmons, Miller, Gooden, all shipped out. Hawes, Thompson, Evans get more minutes. It’s so simple and obvious, but it takes balls.
Well, the Bulls got rid of Noc, Hughes and Gooden
but instead of letting young players play, they failed to resign Ben and is still yanking Tyrus around with his minutes
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
just to add
the only reason we had hughes, was to get rid of big ben. and to get rid of hughes we got even less from the knicks. BUlls paid dearly for over evaluating big ben
don't let the bed bugs bite
someone
wrote an article discussing this didn’t they? anyone have a link?
don't let the bed bugs bite
Is yfBB too depressed (or angry) by the game to write up a recap?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
You really need a recap of that game?
Here you go:
The Bulls suck and aren’t getting better anytime soon.
I don't expect the Bulls to win again
until TT and Kurt are back. Pargo and Hunter playing major minutes won’t cut it.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Dec 6, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a recap in 10 words or less
Toronto Raptors have worst defense in history. Bulls: 78 points.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Call out all Bulls who let the guy tie his shoes during the game
Miller
Deng
Pargo
Who else?
Seriously, if Noah were on the court I doubt that this would occur. It’s almost like Deng’s attitude is, “I’m not hurt, I want to stay healthy and get my incentives, and truly don’t care about the rest of the team.”
Take a look at what Deng was doing when Noah called out LBJ for dancing. Deng looked like he was watching a movie on the JumboTron.
man, im just so down about this team.
You work your ass off all day and night, come home, turn on the game and see this. See 40 year old fatass lindsay hunter as your point, see pargo as your two, see the utterly average derrick rose as your franchise player. And all of it coached by some jag (attack, derrick!) who’s never coached before. We, fans from a legit basketball city, desire better than this org. It just fucking kills me.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
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