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Bulls 104, Pacers 95

The Pacers are banged-up almost to a comedic level at this point, so I'm not sure what we can take from this win. As I've said, no moment of 'embarrassment' will get the Bulls to do anything (though Gar did speak Tuesday pre-game, saying nothing conclusive, but at least he appeared), and VDN's always been correct that he has a 'good group of guys' who can avoid 10-game losing streaks or many home losses to truly awful teams like what the Pacers put out there.

I do owe VDN some kudos for keeping Tyrus' minutes above Taj's, and playing Tyrus much of the 4th, and maybe Taj will make this case for him every night by continuing to be a fouling (and gesticulating after fouling) machine. I missed the New Orleans game, so it was my first morsel of Tyrus-watching in months. And I thoroughly enjoyed it, to the point where I would've guessed he shot way better than the 2-10 box score indicates. He also had 13 defensive rebounds and 15 total, and was credited for 3 blocks but my Tyrus-high made it seem like more.

(But while I'm enjoying this while it happens, I think I've finally moved on. I realize that even if the Bulls somehow after 4 seasons recognize what they have in Thomas, they'll never agree to his financial worth in a multi-year deal. Tyrus' success is just a sideshow in a mostly pointless season when it comes to long-term goals, though if he plays like this for 2 straight months maybe they can move him at the deadline for something meaningful. I'd think being a starter would help that value too...)

I am also digging not opening games with John Salmons ready to suck the life out of my television, and though VDN chooses to oddly use the word 'thrust' when describing the difference in Kirk Hinrich's game, I think it could just be satisfied by saying that unlike Salmons, and though he also stinks, Hinrich at least isn't a transition-killing ball-stopper. I don't think either is better or worse off the bench or starting (really, EVERY time Hinrich moves to or from the bench, we hear how he's more comfortable), but the team does look better when Hinrich plays. They both shot well tonight (and even from three, going 5-8), which hopefully keeps those roles solidified, both to start games better but also keeping the small (Rose/Hinrich/Salmons/Deng + big) lineup to a minimum. Though that was likely the best unit at the time, both Salmons' suckage and the return of Thomas makes it now unnecessary.

Also liked seeing Derrick Rose draw contact and get to the lane 8 times, and whatever the teams struggles have been the past few weeks, at least Rose is playing better. To really address his weakness they still need to get him a coach, and the weird thing about the Bulls is that I can say this win over a depleted Pacers team (who did make things close in the middle quarters, but you can only rely on a nice stint from Roy Hibbert and Josh McRoberts for so long) shouldn't change their minds about firing Vinny...but they likely haven't changed their minds, they've decided to fire him and will fire him. Kudos to a team knowing they're playing for a dead man not to join the zombie ranks on the court.

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Good Win Vs Bad Team

Nice to see Derrick take over when we needed him to.

I’m glad Kirk is playing better and looking for like the Kirk that teams might want to trade for.

Deng is blah, will always be blah. But his corner 3 point shot is improving.

Noah had a rough game, Hibbert’s length really game him problems.

Tyrus has a good game on the boards but had a few bone head plays that remind us why he isn’t going to get resigned next year.

Taj and Salmons did what they usually do when they show up for us.

Miller played well so expect him to suck for the next 10 games.

Fire Vinny!!!

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Funk called Deng's corner three 'a deep corner three'

wtf does that mean? Funk blows.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 30, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Listen to his call of the Tyrus

monster putback last night. Just awful.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Dec 30, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

thank you

for posting this. i was searching for this clip.

by jbrobe04 on Dec 30, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Stacey's call was pretty good though.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Dec 30, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHA

’He’s like one of those jack-in-the-box things…he just pops up..’

by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 30, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

A deep corner three, so was he out of bounds? This call on Tyrus’s put back was garbage I’m so tired of the buggy whip line. But Stacy kills me with the “Don’t do it to him like that Tyrus” line, he should reserve that for truely big plays. Stacey sounded like that Rucker Park cat from those old school AND 1 Mixtapes.

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

And you just knew Tyrus was going to take that long jumper towards the end of the first half. He’d passed up on a wide open jumper for a perfect layup as well as a few others. I was just starting to get really comfortable with Tyrus again, then he launched that Deng like hand in the face long jumper and I just shook my head.

But I was smiling, it’s good to have you back Tyrus!

by RyPac13 on Dec 30, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

yeah he had a bad shooting night

but rebounded well, got several blocks. after scoring 21 pts against the hornets, i wasn’t expecting a big scoring night from him, but hoped he wasn’t gonna have an off night to add fuel to vinny’s fire about keeping taj in the starting lineup. so glad he was productive in other ways.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Dec 30, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

He just looked tentative shooting against Indiana

I don’t know why (Vinny said something?), but I noticed probably at least 3 or 4 of his shots where he was about to take it in rhythm, then seemed to re-think it but shot it anyway. There was a noticeable jerk in the motion because of the hesitation and I think it’s a big reason he had such a poor jump shooting night. If he takes those like he normally would he’s probably closer to 4 or 5 for 10 on the night. I just hope the coaches aren’t trying to talk him out of shooting in those situations and wrecking his confidence in the process.

by jpm356 on Dec 31, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as he doesn’t take a shot beyond 10 feet with over 8 seconds left on the shot clock, he’s doing good in my book. Even if he could hit those more often, we already have Deng to take those shots. And Salmons. And Miller. And Hinrich. And Taj. And now Rose this year.

Gosh, can you picture a Bulls practice? A line of diverse players launching 18 footers while Noah and Gray grab the boards.

by RyPac13 on Dec 30, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thomas needs to take those shots, and make them, to open up the lane for drives and cuts.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Thomas was making cuts off the high screens he set

last night. I think he took 3 18 foot jumpers.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 30, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

TT

As much as I enjoy watching Tyrus, I can see why he drives coaches crazy. He had five turnovers last night. After guarding McRoberts most of the 2nd quarter, the Pacers put Murphy in just before the half. I was yelling at the TV for Tyrus not to let him shoot a three.(I don’t yell at the other team’s shooters.) First time down, Murphy hits a three. Tyrus has played him for three years. Should we need a time out to remind him?
VDN also played him at center when Noah got in foul trouble which worked out well. Tyrus stayed under the basket and got a lot of his rebounds.

by El Toro de Goro on Dec 30, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

While Vinny yells attack!!!!

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

I have to say

That with our entire team back I do think we will be leaps and bounds better. Maybe even sneak into the playoffs, which I hope doesn’t happen. I like Kirk starting and Salmons coming off the bench. I hope Tyrus gets his starting spot back and we can bring Taj off the bench as well. With Salmons Miller and Taj coming off the bench we should at least get 25 points on a given night.

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him

Ruuumors..Sooources...Rummmors...Sourcess - VDN

by Belize on Dec 30, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

good post yfbb

Ruuumors..Sooources...Rummmors...Sourcess - VDN

by Belize on Dec 30, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

My dad yesterday, while watching the game with me

“How many Troy Murphys are on that team?”

by YaoPau on Dec 30, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

WAY to much white trash on that Indiana roster.

I guess thats why they only have 9 wins though.

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

White trash?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

nice father son moment

Where 79-44 lead turns into a 4 point loss Happens

by Orange Juice on Dec 30, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

While he destroyed NO

I would expect Noah’s numbers to decline a bit with Tyrus back. Now we have two guys on the team who can rebound. I would be happy if Noah can give us something like a 10/8.

More importantly, given his obvious offensive limitations from a scoring standpoint, I would hope Noah now focuses on defending opposing centers, which have had a lot of success against us this year.

The Chicago Bulls: Clippers East, since 1999

by nateroth on Dec 30, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

Or

Our defense just gets better overall and fewer shots from our opponents go in and between Thomas, Deng, and Noah they rebound all of the misses.

That’s what I am hoping is the outcome.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 30, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

yes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

much too late.

A.I. took that spot while he was retired.

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 30, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so

If he finishes strong, he might get picked by the coaches. AI might get in on votes alone but the coaches won’t pick him. Wasn’t Derrick 6th in the east like last week.

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

does he really deserve it though?

Id be more inclined to give a nod to Noah at this point. Because of his consistencey throughout the entire year.

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 30, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If he finishes strong yes

He’s been playing like an All star as of late and if he keeps it up then he should get in. Wade and Rondo deserve to get in, after that it’s a toss up and I would take Rose.

Guards: Dwyane Wade (Mia) 1,314,215; Allen Iverson (Phi) 635,084; Vince Carter (Orl) 554,779; Ray Allen (Bos) 385,744; Gilbert Arenas (Was) 355,544; Derrick Rose (Chi) 305,029; Joe Johnson (Atl) 227,896; Rajon Rondo (Bos) 203,252; Jose Calderon (Tor) 115,071; Mike Bibby (Atl) 106,830.

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/all-star-voting-results.shtml#ixzz0bCSH20wH

by Bullsfanla on Dec 30, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

usually, if it's questionable whether or not a guy will make the squad, he doesn't make it.

johnson and rondo will probably be picked by the coaches, and then it comes down to how many guards they want to carry. i think either carter or allen will make it due to their teams’ success (remember detroit sending 4 all-stars a few years ago, when MAYBE 1 of them was truly qualified). the same team success choice might even end up with the coaches picking that little douchebag mo williams again.

anyways, i think Rose is on the outside looking in at this point, but if he keeps playing like he has for the last few weeks, coaches might recognize him as worthy and get him in there.

by Daniel Satan on Dec 30, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

does he deserve it

How many players become all stars who really don’t deserve it? I would think most bulls fans would be happy just to have one of their on make it whether or not he deserved it.

by k21c on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

what im saying is if you could have one player from the Bulls make the roster,

I think Noah deserves the nod over Rose. Because he has been consitant all year long.

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree.

unfortunately it’ll probably be Lopez. he deserves it though i guess.

by Daniel Satan on Dec 30, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah.

noah>lopez.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Dec 31, 2009 2:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I get what you are saying.

by k21c on Dec 30, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Joe Johnson

getting shitted on by the fans.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 30, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

you mean like this?

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 30, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

or

True Story: John Salmons sucks so bad, Tiger Woods wants to meet him

by Belize on Dec 31, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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