Who fires their coach without firing them? Only the Bulls!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2009 6:59 PM CST
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PrintI hope ESPN.com's Chris Broussard realizes his ultimate power after seeing his report regurgitating what's been in the news for weeks surrounding the Bulls and VDN becoming major news.
Though I suppose Broussard made some progress in saying (though through the ultra-lame "sources with knowledge of the Chicago Bulls' thinking") that they've definitely made a decision, and that 'dorf contacted his 'son' Doug Collins again. But the idea that there's little chance the Bulls keep VDN as their coach by the opening of 2010 free agency is becoming obvious at this point.
But what the report's popularity (if not it's merit) certainly did, is give the front office amalgam Gar Paxdorf another chance to look like buffoons.
Poor Vinny had to stand up at practice today and declare growing speculation 'funny' and 'inaccurate'. There was talk that Gar Forman (he's the GM, remember?) would address the media today...only to decide against it. I figure they were having trouble getting Gar to speak without seeing Pax's lips move.
(I was laughing while listening to WSCR this afternoon, as guest-host Barry Rozner was already incredulously saying Forman was 'three weeks too late' when it was rumored he'd talk today. When told Gar would not even poke his head out today, Rozner was in pure 'WTF' mode)
Isn't this why Paxson ran away from his media responsibilities last season (after similar reports had Paxson quitting weeks before he did...or whatever he did that wasn't quite quitting)? So that Forman could speak for the organization in times like this?
There's been no response from anyone since the string of west-coast blowouts, or watching LeBron dance, or seeing Jarret Jack tie his shoes, or losing to the Nets at home, or performing the biggest home collapse in NBA history.
And even worse that the Bulls have decided to Vinny (yet don't want to) is that if you follow this team, it's an appropriate reaction by them. This is how we've come to expect the Org. to behave, or at least look like from the outside: completely clueless. I welcome more of a spotlight on just how uniquely bad their 'process' is, whether it comes from ESPN.com or SBNation.com (plug!), since it seems that national and local irrelevance allows them to get away with a lot more than other teams would.
Someone needs to step in front of a microphone and either say Vinny is fired now, or that he is coaching the rest of the year. You don't even have to stick to the latter, just say it now and if things get worse then say 'well, we lied' before firing him. It's not like Gar "re-signing Gordon is our top priority" Forman hasn't lied to us before.
But saying nothing can't be good for Vinny or the team, no matter what they're telling eachother behind closed doors. And while I see the reasoning behind not blowing this too far out of proportion, since what we (via the media) know about the decision-making in the Bulls front office doesn't matter as long as much as what they know...the last time there was such rumored mismanagement and confusion regarding them was when they hired Vinny Del Negro. So maybe they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
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my theory on why Garpax hasn't been making any statements on the matter is because they just keep waiting for the next Bears abortion to occur.
this is a Bears town, and the Bears are actually under a much more burning spotlight right now. i bet Gar really was gonna make a statement today, and then he realized there’s a chance the bears lose on MNF 42-3 in front of 40 million viewers and Lovie Smith gets fired tomorrow, creating a much more relevant media frenzy and deflecting the spotlight off the Bulls for another week.
the more ya think about it, the less unlikely it seems to sound. luckily they won’t be able to hide behind the Bears umbrella forever
by Daniel Satan on Dec 28, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
of course i'm half-joking, but at some point you really have to start trying to rationalize for them cuz everything the front office does leaves you thinking, WTF?!
by Daniel Satan on Dec 28, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
As I read this
da Bears are up 23-16 with lots of time left in the 4th. You might get your wish!
Well, the Bears win. Good. They earned it.
Now, the Bulls are all by themselves. And, of course, they earned it-the old fashioned way-with old fashioned incompetence.
Gar just looks like a giant douche
They basically have two general managers on the pay roll and not one can talk to the media.
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 28, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions
Maybe Vinnie gets promoted to SpeakerGM....
Once the new Coach Search is over…
by Agusnico on Dec 28, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard Gar is getting promoted with a new Title
and Benny the Bull will handle the Media as General Manager.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
if Gar is this reluctant to speak
then i have to say, Pax has been one hell of a mentor.
by M 80 on Dec 28, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Everyone is missing the greatest advantage to bringing in McHale to coach
Ainge still owes him big time.
Actually, its none of the above, not a comedy (what's funny about it?), not a drama (there can be no drama without a plot) and surely not basketball.
But I guess you could say it is a tragedy or maybe more appropriately a travesty. If we had any media members with a pair of gonads, they would be demanding a clarification of this fiasco. I don’t feel sorry for Vinny, he is being paid millions of dollars to impersonate a coach and the fact that he conned his way into the job reflects just as badly on him as it does on the nincompoops who hired him.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
How to make a bad situation worse
Confusion, uncertainty, rumors, questions – - – what should you do?
Bulls response – - – be silent
Result – - – more confusion, uncertainty, rumors, confusion.
The problem is that they WON'T be hounded
we need some real f*ckin’ reporters in this town.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Correction
we need some f*ckin’ reporters who aren’t on Reinsdorf’s payroll in this town.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I was going to post today before I saw the ESPN article
If ESPN didn’t break this story today T-Mac would be our talking point.
T-Mac is a goner. Houston is not going to play him the rest of the season and obviously are trying to trade him. They need a Center. Brad Miller plus Salmons or Jerome James works on the trade machine. Does this make sense for us?
Pluses:
1- Lose Salmon’s uncertainty re opting out
2- If, a big if, T-Mac regains his ability to play we could make a nice run to end the season and go into the playoff with momentum
3- T-Mac can open up the floor for Rose
Negatives
1- Losing Miller makes us vulnerable if Noah goes down.
2- I think Rose is really progressing and having T-Mac want to dominate the ball can mess up his development
3- The team could collapse if T-Mac cannot play which is definitely a possibility based on his history.
kill another bird
a trade of hinrich and/or deng for some backup center, doesnt seem out of the question, or if not a backup center than perhaps just some cap relief so that we can sign a cheap one…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 29, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Don't think Houston would want Salmon, maybe a draft pick changes their mind?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I'm told they can't hire anyone currently under TV contracts like Van Gundy, Johnson or even Scott
If this is true, that just means they’ll likely have to wait out the season
Waiting until the end of the season is the most likely outcome
It would be quite a dilemma if the Bulls plan to fire VDN at the end of the season and the Bulls finish strong and do well in the playoffs (whatever that is).
It was mentioned that hiring the coach now gives him time to evaluate the roster for next season.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
this is what scares me the most
Last year’s boston series guaranteed he’d start this season. If that happens again you can guarantee no free agents will be there
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 29, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
What dilemna is that?
Bulls finish strong, Del Coacho gets fired, thus the team is taking the next step…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Who told you this?
Do you have a link?
The earlier report had indicated they had offered the job to someone under TV contract (Collins).
I have been looking for the link to support the position that they cannot hire someone still under contract with another team (Scott, Johnson, etc.) because they (the coach) will lose money…but, this is not covered in Coon’s FAQ…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
John Jackson
That eliminates Collins – who is close with Del Negro and never would agree to that – and probably all of the former coaches currently biding time on television, including Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson and even Byron Scott, who was fired by the New Orleans Hornets earlier in the season and now is working for ESPN.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bulls/2009/12/del_negro_reacts_to_report_but.html
wow yfbb
you’re really worked up about this! i agree the dysfunction of pax and reinsdorf is bad (very bad), and gar needs to step up to meet the press. it will be up to vinny and the players to be professionals, and if they do so they should be commended. especially if they happen to succeed.
however, i kind of admire the fact that gar is not eager to promulgate a lie. since you’ve been calling for the firing of vinny for about a year, surely you can take solace in the certainty that vinny will be gone this summer?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
No rationalizing
Clippers East continues. Given the level of fan support and the immediate past history of the franchise, I would argue that the Bulls are the worst-run organization in sports over the past 10 years.
That's ridiculous
Things have been lousy, but they’re not even close to the worse. Memphis has been terrible. The knicks have been a disaster with sexual harassment stories on top of terrible basketball. In other sports its so much worse. Teams like the pirates that get rid of any and all half decent talent they have. Let’s not exagerate. We’ve at least been to the playoffs a few times the last decade.
by BoxingHideout on Dec 28, 2009 10:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Memphis had some good teams in the Hubie years
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
we had a good team until two years ago
and we had a good team last year…..or at least thats what the media believes…..
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by piccolomair on Dec 29, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
would the Bulls have made a single playoff series in the West?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls are in the East so that
doesn’t matter
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
You should factor in the financial resources of the franchises
The Knicks are the only NBA team that has been run more poorly than the Bulls over the last 10 years.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 29, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
Golden State doesnt count? Memphis doesnt count?
The Clippers dont count? LOL
by Playboy_Bull on Dec 29, 2009 6:16 AM CST up reply actions
Are those the franchises that the Bulls aspire to?
The Bulls lead the league in attendance and profits, and are regularly among the top five in revenue. Unfair to compare them to Memphis or GS. They were also coming off a dominant decade in the 90s.
There have been four different rebuilding plans in 10 years, five (soon to be six) head coaches, rejection by all relevant free agents except for Wallace, who was offered twice as much money as he should have been, utter mismanagement of the payroll and the giving away of valuable players for nothing in return.
Brand, Artest, Miller, Crawford, Gordon….what did we get for any of them other than payroll relief? Brand for Chandler is at least defensable, but the rest of those guys were basically given away. Tyrus is soon to follow. If they were flawed players, then the lack of coaching and giving them a chance to succeed is an indictment of the org.
As bad as the Knicks decisions have been, at the very least they were willing to pay the LT in trying to implement a winning strategy.
by nateroth on Dec 29, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Winning strategy,
they were overpaying and morgtaging their future for bums and average players, Jared Jefferies, Jerome James, Eddie Curry, come on
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
At least they were demonstrating to fans that they gave a shit
I’d rather have an organization fail while trying to reward me for all the money I’ve spent on them rather than laugh and give me the middle finger while they swim in a tower of gold coins Duck Tales-style.
What kind of message does it send to fans that the Bulls have been #1 in profits over the past 10 years but in the bottom 10 of payroll? I’ll say it again (thanks to Tyger): What do the Bulls, Clippers, Warriors and Bobcats all have in common? The only teams not to pay the luxury tax ONCE in the past 10 years.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jarred Jefferies
doesn’t demostrate giving a shit
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man
“while they swim in a tower of gold coins Duck Tales-style.”
That alone earns you a rec.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
How are the Bulls any different than the Clippers since 1998? They're run the same way, just with a less disgusting owner.
And acting like being better than the Warriors and Grizzlies is some kind of accomplishment just shows how low expectations are. Of course, Bulls fans will still jerk off to the 90s while still taking some perverse pleasure in that they were not as embarrassing as the Isiah Thomas Knicks or Dunleavy/Sterling Clippers.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 29, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
There's a bunch of different perspectives to this
As far as having dumbass managers goes, yes, the Knicks, Raiders, Redskins, etc were worse than the Bulls. We only made a few boneheaded moves, and as a result had a few decent years.
But at least those teams TRIED to win a title. The Knicks and Redskins perennially have the highest payrolls in their league. Al Davis throws massive contracts at guys he thinks are talented. These teams want to win, they just didn’t have the front office smarts to pull it off.
But the Bulls want to make money more than win. It’s a whole different (and scarier) way to run a franchise poorly, and it’s more disrespectful to the fanbase. It’s easier to get behind a team that continually tries and fails (with huge contracts to Allan Houston, and Eddy Curry, and Zach Randolph, etc etc etc) than one that half-asses it on purpose to generate huge profits.
Oakland Raiders,
nuff said. I’d rather have 10 Reinsdorfs than 1 Al Davis.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
At least Al Davis is willing to spend to TRY and produce a winner
he just is stupid when it comes to decision-making. But see, I can forgive stupidity so long as consistent effort is being made. It’s the lack of spending/trying that pisses me off.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
sorry, nateroth, but the Clippers right now are lightyears ahead of the Bulls.
look at their depth chart: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/depth?team=lac and they don’t even have Griffin back yet.
if the Clippers could “draft” any Bull to join their team right now, would any Bull definitely start for them?
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I also like the Clippers roster
but I meant to imply that the Bulls are being run like the Clippers, and have been for 10 years.
The Bulls’ goal is to win games, but only when profitable. Our ownership does not care about losing games, only about losing money. And the front office decision making is laughably bad and disjointed from the viewpoint of even a casual observer. On top of that, free agents don’t want to come here, and our own talented guys who don’t fit into the “system” leave treadmarks when fleeing.
That’s what I meant by “Clippers East”
Luol Deng would start over Thorton, easy.
He’s better…
and actually two years younger.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rose, Deng and Noah
Would start for The Clips. They got stuck with Baron thinking that Brand would be there with him, if they could trade them they would. Thorton is okay and as Much as I hate Deng he is better and younger then AL. Kaman is over rated and they Clips would love to move him. Noah is better and younger. Gordon and Blake are their futures.
look at the question again. if you think all 3 of them would DEFINITELY start for LA (as in, today), then that's your opinion...
maybe Kaman was once a bad contract that they wanted to move, but right now he’s one of the most productive centers in the league no matter how you try to spin it. he’s averaging 20 and 9 this year and hasn’t missed a game, and has actually added reliable post moves to his offense. he’s shooting 51% from the field and scoring 24.4 with 11 boards per game over his last 5. if the All-Star game were today, there’s no doubt he’d be in it. as much as I love Noah, he hasn’t had nearly as good a season as Kaman.
as for Rose, i have to believe that the Clippers would still start Baron Davis. Davis is a better defender and floor general (not to mention the leader of that team), and even though he has a lower fg%, that’s due to the fact that he averages more than 4 3-point attempts per game. would they trade Baron for Rose straight up? of course, but my point was if any Bull was added to the clippers today, would they start, and i’d have to say Rose wouldn’t start.
upon further review, i have to admit they would definitely start Luol in Thornton’s place. but it’s closer than people think because even though thornton’s ppg has dropped by about 4 from last year (he avg’d 17 last year), his fg% has gone up to a very efficient 48% because he’s taking better shots.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is horrible manangement...
Simply letting the report stand without comment is ridiculous. The Bulls have the most bizarre media/pr “process” I’ve seen. From the public trashing of their own players (Deng’s injury and Gordon) to this, I think they look inept.
At least Vinny is making decent money and has gotten to coach an NBA team, so I don’t have to feel too sorry for him. I imagine however long his season is, it will be a test of his composure and motivational abilities to keep some control of the team.
I am not sure that this isn't just a media creation.
by Super-Structure on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 AM CST reply actions
media creations
still have to be addressed dont they?? Where theres smoke theres fire….either clear the smoke, put out the fire, or let everything burn….
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by piccolomair on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
What?
But what the report’s popularity (if not it’s merit) certainly did, is give the front office amalgam Gar Paxdorf another chance to look like buffoons.
I Googled “amalgam” and it is mercury filling? What are you really trying to say?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
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Thanks Silentpete!
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
FORMAN IS ALIVE AFTER ALL
Here’s what he had to say about this.
‘’We don’t usually comment on reports because then you’re reacting to every trade rumor, but that isn’t accurate,’’ Forman said Monday afternoon by telephone when I asked about the details of the report.
Via Sun-Times
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Dec 29, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
i only kinda skimmed the article, but that sentence looks to be the only thing Forman supposedly said.
hahah it was probably not even Gar, or it was his recorded voicemail greeting.
seriously though, this jackson guy had access to an interview with Forman and the only news-worthy quote he got out of him was a generic 18-word quote that technically doesn’t even deny the story?
fuckin john jackson should be fired or checked for ovaries, cuz that was the weakest interview i’ve ever seen.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
well he got something
and I’m sure Gar said he wouldn’t comment further. Not much else you can do. The team has all the power as nobody really cares how they do.
And…I’ll let the misogyny pass.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I hate this organization and the media in this town for not calling them out on their evil empire
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
I watched ESPN Chicago Sports Center and it was said that Pax neither confirmed nor denied the report in text messages
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
he never returns my texts :(
they’re mostly vulgar though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Bill Cartwright was fired right away and was a way better coach than Vinnie
But I guess he wasn’t a friend of paxson and wasn’t Italin which is a large fan base of the Bulls
grammer geeks you make me sick
by angryandy on Dec 29, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
As a proud Italian....
I hate Vinny. He has done more to embarrass my heritage than Al Capone.
by nateroth on Dec 29, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Come back Jerry Colangelo!
Buy this team.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
does anybody else find the way Vinny tries dispelling the rumors to be odd?
When people ask about his job security, one of his go-to phrases seems to be, “I talk to those guys every day.” or something along those lines. First of all, I would certainly hope you talk to your bosses every day… and second of all.. so what? Just because you’re communicating with the front office doesn’t mean they’re not talking about firing you behind your back!
I just find it strange that Vinny would think that the fact that he merely SPEAKS to his bosses should be considered confirmation of his job security. Notice, he never says, “I talked to Gar today and he reassured me that it’s all just rumors and heresy.”
what's he supposed to say though?
it amazes me that while everyone wants Vinny gone, somehow the Bulls “management” have made him something of a sympathetic figure in all of this.
well, do the math...
if he supposedly talks to them every day, i would assume that he talked to them after this story “broke” yesterday, and if they have any faith in him whatsoever, they woulda said it’s all bullshit and not to worry about it. if that happened, that’s all Vinny would’ve had to have said to at least somewhat douse the flames for now.
i’m just saying, i find it strange because it seems like there’s more in what he doesn’t say, than what he does say, that’s all.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, that was brought up on the Score as a failure in reporting
if VDN says they talk every day, it should be asked what they talk about, and specifically what about the job security have they mentioned that makes these reports so ‘funny’.
I hope it’s not the case where VDN is actually fired, knows it, but still coaches to get a paycheck. He could totally backstab his bosses by letting that info out, and would be justified in doing so.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
i love the score; do you remember during which hour they discussed that by any chance? i might have to listen to the podcast later.
but anyways, in your 2nd paragraph you kinda alluded to the can of worms this could present for the Bulls. it could even go beyond just a front office ebmarrassment. if management didn’t even bother to lie to him, what’s to stop Vinny from just going out there and totally experimenting during games to the total detriment of the team?
in other words, if he’s technically on “borrowed time” or whatever, he could just say “Screw it, I’m gonna try running a 4-guard lineup and if it provides any spark whatsoever, some other team might be dumb enough to consider me D’Antoni 2.0!”
if he KNOWS there’s no saving his job, and no more repercussions for bad coaching, there’s no telling the damage that could be done while he’s still pacing those sidelines.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
it's either the 1-2 or 2-3 pm hour 12/28
As far as what Vinny can do to hurt development, it’s not as if anyone is too excited about James Johnson to care, but that hasn’t been going well.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
nice i'll check that out.
another example, is what if he just goes a whole game giving all the minutes to his “favorites” or something?
“y’know what aaron gray, you’ve always worked hard in practice… well guess what, buddy, tonight’s your lucky night. you’re paying 40 minutes!”
everything from this point on could be Vinny’s Bucket List.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 29, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I find the score is very anti Tyrus.
Which hurts me.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
I would just like to proudly state for the record one more time
that I was completely against this retarded coaching hire from the jump (not that “I” am anyone important or anything). And it has become more and more retarded by the week, then the day, and now the hour. They’ve fucked this thing up so bad that I currently feel bad for Vinny and would like to see him come out of this mess looking good and employable to other teams down the road..
The fact that these buffoons hired this unqualified jackass to coach the team in the first place, in the third largest market in america, and then hide under their desks like a bunch of scared fifth graders when the big bad bully (media) come looking for them, just shows you the caliber of douchebags we’re dealing with. I am so fucking sick of these assholes and the way they run their whole goddamn operation.
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 12 recs
VDN could use the Animal House out
“You f’d up. You trusted us.”
In fact, these clowns could all use that excuse with Jerry except Jerry’s got the 50.1 million annual reasons to admit, “Yea. I f’d up real bad there.”
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
dead on accurate!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
awesome, 8th rec
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 29, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
If it's between Collins and Frank.
The fact that this has taken so long makes me think the Bulls are trying to coax Collins really hard. I’m not really a fan of Collins but I just want a coach and if he can recruit a 2010 I guess I could get used to Collins’ spazzy panic style of coaching. I’d get worried that Doug would start over coaching these guys.
Then what happens if you land someone like Joe Johnson and you’re stuck with Collins?
That is just mediocre NBA hell.
If they can’t fire Vinny imagine them trying to fire Collins.
Free Vinny!
Collins scares me too,
I would want somebody younger, Collins’s style leads to burn out very quickly.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I just worry he'd over coach this team.
It’s one thing to spend two weeks overseas with a guy but three years of Doug Collins I don’t know.
Free Vinny!
why would Collins coach?
He’s got one of the best jobs in the basketball business. He can ride that train as far as he wants.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
If I understand what I've read correctly
They’ve been trying to coax Collins for years. Possibly, Collins is even the guy who suggested VDN. And they’re still on his jock.
I don’t want him as just a coach. If he’s coming, I want it known he’s moving into a GM roll after the season. If he just is gonna be a coach, I totally don’t see a point.
it's not taking long at all
especially in terms of Bulls coaching searches
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Im begining to think the Bulls org
is a little racist. Frank??? Why? Has he proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is an above average coach. Not in my mind. And Collins… Why? He should stick to broadcasting, we would have to overpay him multi years for likely less than great results.
Why are they not looking at Byron Scott, or Avery Johnson? I heard Avery is not interested but why not fly him out and try to sell him or Scott. These two have proven themselves yet we are looking at Frank. WTF???? This organization is an all out embarrassment.
And why the Fuck does Paxson still have a job? This guy is a pile of monkey spunk. And what exactly does Gar do? Why pay his silly ass when that money could be going to talent??? Id like to also offer my middle finger to our less than caring owner.
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don't forget Kurt!
he’s also white. huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk has signed
a lifetime contract, to become coach/gm when he retires
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I calls them howz I seez them daily
…Maybe just maybe a ridiculous jump is called for when dealing with such a ridiculous organization. I really could care less I just am looking for reasons why qualified individuals are not being looked at. There are two pretty good African American coaches without a coaching job and we look to Frank and Collins. Just weird to me.
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Also,
Please name a high ranking member of the Bulls organization of color during the last 10 years. I just don’t see much color or brains at the top but maybe Im not looking hard enough.
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Bill Cartwright coached them
and Randy Brown was taken in as a charity case this year.
Bickerstaff and Pete Myers are on the bench.
Reinsdorf isn’t racist, he’s just cheap.
LOL
Interim coach tag does not count and not asking for assistant coaches either. BJ is a valid one although I was not sure of his position. Look I honestly don’t think he is racist but just looking at all the facts and they are a little peculiar to me.
I would just like to see someone who high up in the Org take pride in their job and try to win games regardless of color.
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"their job and try to win games"
those aren’t necessarily in tandem.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
that is why we are in the situation we are as a basketball team I guess. I just wish we had an owner that cared. I am not a huge fan of Mark Cuban but at very least it is clear he wants his team to win. Jerry could care less as long as the cash keeps rolling in.
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Probably John Paxson moreso than Reinsdorf fits your original claim
Paxs might seem as a mouse in media relations, but in setting this organizations culture I’d bet his hand is heavy! Very heavy putting into place those who think as he!
Therefore the management office will eventually get a complete overhaul, and mostly everyone will be let go.. when a new head guy replaces John Paxson.
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BJ was apart of the organization
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But he did get snubbed
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I Know!!!
I always wondered why they didn’t use their black jerseys more often!
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Meh
Actually I really don’t see what Lawrence Frank is all about either way. He never appeared to be a good coach to me and he did hold on to his gig a few years longer than a typical tenure in the NBA with losing seasons.
We are an embarrassment, but it is not because of the race of coaches or potential coaches.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed..
But qualified people should be considered regardless of race and the last few times they hired a coach for extended years it seems like many very qualified coaches were not even considered and I am just curious why exactly that is.
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I agree
I think we should be interviewing coaches like Avery and Byron. These guys can coach in the NBA.
Hell, if I have a choice between Avery as coach and throwing money at Hunter to be a player coach then give me Avery. He was a better player and he comes out of the Spurs system.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm on board with Avery Johnson too.
Although I would love a JVG to coach the team. Either of them would do since they both can describe themselves as professional head coaches.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 29, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Gar has acknowledged that Gordon signed with the Pistons yet either.
When Vinny gets fired, we will have no acknowledgment from management that that had happened. We’ll just have Lindsey Hunter coaching the last 3 months of the season, with no explanation for why Lindsey Hunter’s the coach.
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by Andrew7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I want to see Lindsey at
the helm, this is what I thought they signed him for.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
When they do hire the next coach he'll just introduce himself and why management decided he was the best fit.
He’ll be all alone at the table taking questions that were meant for Garpax. ha
KC: Doug why were you hired?
Doug: Because I hugged Dwade after the Olympics.
Sam: What did Garpax tell you in regards to the future of this team?
Doug: I never actually saw them but Jerry said to say process a lot. So it will be a process.
Free Vinny!
by SoulEater7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm, that's kindof true
Gar said that they brought the same team back from that EPIC playoff series.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
KC: Do you plan on bringing back the perm you were sportin in the eighties?
Doug: You’ll just have to wait and see.
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Sam: What was you're favorite thing about coaching a legend like MJ?
Doug: Really.. Sam… it was just smelling his cologne! I really really enjoyed that about Michael…. his cologne.
Free Vinny!
by SoulEater7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to sport that.. sadly.
Free Vinny!
by SoulEater7 on Dec 29, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Collins was just ready to accept the offer to be an interim coach when he discovered
the contract explicitly forbids him form dying his hair blonde and getting a mini-afro. He also questioned why it specified he would not be allowed to play Tyrus more than 30 minutes in any game and if he scores more than 20 points, he must come off the bench in their next match. He had no problem with the Thomas restrictons, but no-one can dictate his hairdo’s.
Knowing JR’s philosophy, I’m sure the biggest holdup in replacing DelNegro involves money. Has management scoured the top high school coaches in the Chicagoland area yet? They coud get somebody real cheap and he would be a big ugrade from Vinny.
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JR had discussions with
legendary KIng coach, Landon Cox.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 29, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
He should be used to coaching paid athletes at least
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Sam Mitchell
I think he would be a great fit for the ORG, has repore with Bosh and would be pretty cheap.
maybe they're just trying to embarrass VDN
into resigning, so they don’t have to pay him anymore. If they keep leaking rumors about how they are lining up potential replacements, eventually VDN might take the hint and save Reinsdorf some cash in the process.
by vanillablue on Dec 29, 2009 5:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I believe.
Maybe.
Although, he’s not humble enough to be embarrassed.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
check that Krause was uglier.
Wow Gar said nothing. He did mention Rose, Noah and Tyrus as the core though.
Free Vinny!
I just read a little bit about it and he said absolutely nothing regarding truth to the rumors
Wow, what’s the point?
just to say the addressed the rumors.
Take the pressure off Vinny while they try to find a coach.
Free Vinny!
Kendall Gill just said
that even though Broussard is a friend of his take what he says with a grain of salt. What a mess this is.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
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