Why the Bulls Must Trade Luol Deng: To Keep Joakim Noah and win a Championship
by jammaster2j on Dec 24, 2009 9:21 AM CST
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This post is meant to be a continuation of a previous post: 2010 NBA Free Agency = Fantasy Auction Draft (& a Bulls' FAIL!). The basic premise was that the Bulls (and most teams) will miss out on the big prizes next summer (Wade, Bosh, LeBaby) and end up overpaying a "second-tier" player (Joe Johnson, Amare, Rudy Gay).
Having one of the latter three would not necessarily be a bad thing (as I put second-tir in quotes to emphasize that all 3 of those guys are really great players, and not second-tier at all), all three would make the Bulls a much better team next season ... BUT would wind up hurting the Bulls in the long-term. This post will (hopefully) explain why, and (see title of post) why that will eventually force the Bulls to trade Luol Deng to keep Joakim Noah. So with that as background, here we go!
First, we have to look at the general composition of an NBA team in terms of salary structure. The salary cap and player contracts make all of this very complex but for my purposes, I will dumb it down. Basically, each team can afford to have two maximum contracts and one other very-near-max contract (or some similar combination), then fill in the remainder with smaller contracts (read: role players). To illustrate my point, let's use the NBA Champs from last year - the LA Lakers:
Salaries (from basketball-reference.com)
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Rk Player Salary
1 Kobe Bryant $21,262,500
2 Pau Gasol $15,106,000
3 Lamar Odom $14,148,596
4 Derek Fisher $4,700,000
5 Sasha Vujacic $4,524,887
6 Luke Walton $4,420,000
7 Adam Morrison $4,159,200
8 Trevor Ariza $3,100,000
9 Andrew Bynum $2,769,300
10 Jordan Farmar $1,080,000
They followed the basic idea: three really big contracts and a bunch of role players. There are obvious exceptions to this "rule" - such as the runner-up from last year, the Orlando Magic:
Salaries (from basketball-reference.com)
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Rk Player Salary
1 Rashard Lewis $16,447,871
2 Dwight Howard $13,758,000
3 Jameer Nelson $7,700,000
4 Hedo Turkoglu $6,864,200
5 Tony Battie $5,746,000
6 Mickael Pietrus $5,300,000
7 Rafer Alston $4,900,000
8 Tyronn Lue $2,250,000
9 J.J. Redick $2,139,720
10 Anthony Johnson $1,910,000
The Magic basically had 2 big contracts, then two smaller deals that were the equivalent of the third big contract in my "rule". So you get the idea.
Stay with me, there is a point to all of this. Let's look at the Chicago Bulls! The Bulls finally have a marquee player, our first alpha dog (could-be-the-best-player-on-a-title-contender level player) since MJ. Other than carrying my hopes and dreams as a basketball fan, D-Rose will also be carrying a very fat wallet ... from signing an NBA maximum contract when he is eligible. And I know it's early, but I can confidently say that the Bulls would be dumb to let him walk without offering him max money at any point in the next 12 years. So we can be pretty certain that Rose will get a max deal in 2013-14 (and will make over $9million the last year of his rookie deal). So thinking long-term, that ties up 1/3 of the Bulls max/near-max contracts.
Next, let's look at Luol Deng (and his $71 million contract). During the last year of Rose's current contract (2012-13) and the first year of Rose's assumed next contract (2013-14) Deng is set to make $13.3 and $14.3 million respectively. There is only a 2 year overlap under Deng's current contract - so we can trade him before then, re-sign him to a new deal, or let him walk. (Note1: I doubt that someone coming off a 6year/$71m contract will want to sign for a contract worth half that amount.) (Note2: I am 100% certain that good/great NBA teams do not let talent walk away for nothing, and I am opposed to that outcome, as I've said before.) So basically, we re-sign Luol to a similar deal, or trade him before that time comes (more on this later).
Finally, we have to look at Joakim Noah (see, I am slowly going to make sense of this eventually). Let me get this out of the way, I hated Joakim Noah when he was at Florida. I even hated him the night he was drafted by the Bulls. And you can see why ...
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I say trade him while his value is high.
I would definitely call up Sacramento and offer Deng for Martin since they have Evens who is obviously a 2 guard. Hell I would even trade James for Noce to give them some cap relief . That would actually make management trade Kirk, who should have been traded for expirings in the off-season.
That trade would also move Salmons back to the 3 spot where he played well last year and we would have a fan favorite in Noce back to fill the seats. With that line-up keeping Tyrus @ the PF spot is not a bad idea.
But yeah trade him while we can get some value back. He is a 24 y.o 6 – 9 SF who puts up 18 and 8. We can get some type of value for that right? Kevin Martin or Al Jefferson anyone?
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Maybe Kmart ...
From Sac (Deng + a pick). or we take back Noc’s bad contract …
But no way Minny trades Jefferson. (Plus we have a center!)
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by jammaster2j on Dec 24, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
The Wolves are actually thinking about trading Al Jefferson.
If you go onto Canis Hoopus, we’re actually talking about a Al for Deng+ trade.
The reason we’re talking about something like that is that we have the best rebounder in the NBA in Kevin Love (also a good outside shooter). I wouldn’t like a trade like that, but on Canis Hoopus, we’re talking about that.
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He is NOT a PF.
First of all, you’re probably a Bulls fan, so you haven’t seen him play very much. He plays horribly at PF compared to C so obviously he should play center.
Secondly, Big Al tends to play very badly against Chicago, especially when Aaron Gray guards him, (Who knows why???) so I’m assuming you underrate him.
So there you have it. The Bulls will not contend for a title if we keep Deng, Rose and Noah as our “Big 3.” In signing Deng to that big (terrible) contract and going after a big free agent after this season, the Bulls might be squeezing out their second best player, and the best/only chance we have at a championship. That is why the Bulls need to figure out a way to trade Deng, aloowing us to truly contend for a title with a core of Rose, playerX and Joakim Noah.
Loul Deng and Kirk Hinrich are the franchise! They signed him to 5 years. Eclipsing Rose and Noah. Yes Luol Deng is a big problem for this team. If someone will take him then they should do it before he breaks his hand or leg. I doubt it though. I have a feeling Luol Deng will be around for awhile. Depressing.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
Well it was dumbed down enough for me
Deng is the reason the Bulls have to part with Tyrus, and had to part with B.G if my math is correct. It’s not that these are bad players, it’s just the money is right especially if we want a super star free agent this summer. Deng’s contract limits what the Bulls can do. I made the suggestion that maybe the trade we can make is for Gay. Memphis is probably gonna lose him to free agency anyways, they can take Deng who statistic wise looks dynamite and we get a great young star in the making. That way we can really try to make a serious run for the championship this year with Rose, Gay, TT,and Noah.
Great read and very true
Essentialy the Bulls have to decide within the next few years whether they want a core of Rose – Deng – Free Agent or Rose – Noah – Free Agent…I love Noah and would love the latter of the two! However, I think the first could work, but only if we get one of those “first-tier” free agents. I think most of us would be willing to say that we would give up on resigning Noah if it meant a chance at Wade or LeBron (maybe I am wrong, but I certainly would). Plus, if the Bulls did manage to sign Wade and then got rid of Hinrich’s contract, the Bulls might have enough money to still keep Noah for a decent amount of money. Noah would lose out on some money certainly, but might be willing to do so to have a shot at a championship.
That said, the Bulls will likely settle for Joe Johnson. In that case, the Bulls have a much better shot at winning a championship with Noah. Since the season is lost for the Bulls, get rid of Deng for expirings.
NOT TRUE!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The thing is, they don't have to have ONLY 3 big contracts
Deng’s is not huge and neither will be Noah’s. It’s a dumb premise* besides… If Rondo and Perkins had come on strong enough to earn $11 million per year, should Boston have got rid of them because they already had big contracts? Should the Thunder dump someone if Westbrook, Harden and Green all come round and earn big contracts alongside Durant?
Anyone who bases a championship-winning formula off of two teams is dumb.*
The Bulls could be like the Nuggets are right now. One max contract (whoever they bring in as a superstar, say… Bosh), a max rookie extension contract (Rose) and two $9-$12 million contracts (Deng & Noah), and then an MLE, veteran exceptions and rookie contracts. The superstar and Noah will get paid first (probably both this summer), and then it will only be down to Rose the following summer. If this team gets Bosh and somehow gets a suitable SG and wins 50 games next year… and Reinsdorf still doesn’t go into the luxury tax to extend Rose?!?! P’shaw.
Player 2009/10
1 Carmelo Anthony $15,779,912
2 Kenyon Martin $15,363,636
3 Chauncey Billups $12,100,000
4 Nenê $10,520,000
5 JR Smith $5,508,426
6 Chris Andersen $3,650,000
7 Antonio McDyess $3,000,000
8 Renaldo Balkman $2,036,920
9 Ty Lawson $1,438,680
10 Anthony Carter $1,306,455
11 Malik Allen $1,300,000
12 Arron Afflalo $1,086,240
13 Joey Graham $884,881
14 Johan Petro $884,88
Besides, the most foolish* thing about this is that not all “big contracts” are the same.
The Magic basically had 2 big contracts, then two smaller deals that were the equivalent of the third big contract in my “rule”. So you get the idea.
Except that the Lakers Top 4 contracts equals $55 million and the Magic’s Top 4 equals $44 million. And if you’re going to be silly and say that the Magic’s Top 4 was only compared to the Laker’s Top 3, the Lakers are still $6 million more. Foolish.*
And of course Boston’s Big 3 equals $56 million, and add in Rasheed Wallace and you’ve got $61 million in their Top 4. Dumb.*
*Unless, of course, we’re going on the premise that Reinsdorf won’t spend into the luxury tax… but then that makes all of this even more moot because there’s hardly a championship team that isn’t in the Lux Tax.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
What they do need to do, however, is get rid of Hinrich.
His bloated contract for a backup compared to what he provides is way more of a hindrance than Deng’s contract.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Good point, you're right ...
but you really think Reinsdorf is spending into the luxury tax? He hasn’t in the last 10 years, why would he start now when the economy is worse than it’s been in that time?
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
but part of your argument ...
… is that Rose and noah will sign for under the max (or reinsdorf will go into the tax to sign them for max/near-max). and I think rose will command a max and Noah will also. I guess Noah may sign for less to have a real shot at a title (if we are that good at that point) because he is so passionate about winning … but based on talent at the center position, he will command a big contract.
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
by jammaster2j on Dec 24, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
You think Noah will command a maximum contract!?!?!
Are you kidding me? The kid is a pretty good player, but he’s still an all hustle type of player, and those guys(unless you’re Ben Wallace and Jerry Reinsdorf is in love with you) don’t get max deals.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Dec 24, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently, you have not seen Joakim Noah dribble.
And you believe defense is all about hustle.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
First, the rookie extension max is less than the usual Max.
It’s about 3 or 4 million less per year. I don’t think Noah will get the Max. I think he might be worth it if he improves his offensive repertoire, but right now, I think his skills are too undervalued in the NBA to be thought of as a “max player”. I think people will look to him more like an Emeka Okafor/Tyson Chander/Marcus Camby type (even if it’s not an apt comparison), and none of those guys make the max. The Bulls would be smart to not offer him more than $60 mil/5 yrs after this season, and that might even be too high. I could see them offering $50 mil/5 years and Noah negotiating to $48 million/4 years.
On your first point… Reinsdorf wouldn’t have to spend into the luxury tax until the year after next. At that point, he’d be negotiating Rose’s contract. Like I said, if this team has Bosh, Noah, Deng and a good SG and Rose is up for an extension and they win 50 games, he’d be the biggest idiot in the world. Besides, at that point, they could still trade Deng if he really is a cheap bastard.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
true
he is limited offensively, but he is much better than the typical “hustle” guy. he has a high basketball iq on both ends (so he is a great passer), he already added that drop-step, spin, baby lefty hook … couple more post moves and he will be a weapon. and he makes his free throws …
and mainly, he is 24 years old. prolly one of the top 3 under-25 centers in the league – which is super valuable to the Bulls if we want a young core to grow/mature/develop together (like the thunder are doing with kd, rather than what the cavs are doing by bringing in old, short-term players around Bron)
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
Like I said, I think he'd probably be worth it, or close to it...
…but I don’t think his skills get recognized in a manner thyat gets him paid.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He has said before that he would go beyond the luxury tax if the team can win a championship.
In the last ten years, has any Bulls team looked even close to championship caliber. Assume we land a big free agent, and like Tyger said, we can unload Hinrich onto some foolish team. We would be close to winning a ring and I would think Jerry would spend some extra cash, as deep playoff runs make bunches of cash as well.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
And if Reinsdorf won't pay the luxury tax...
….as I mentioned, it’s pointless to try to figure out “how to build a team” because you essentially need three of the best 10-15 players in the NBA to do that, as one could argue the Spurs have done (or two Top-7/8 players as they are when Manu is healthy and Duncan is on his game).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
slightly off topic, but ...
manu is a top 8 player?!?!
Bron, Melo, Dirk, Nash, Howard, Nash, Kobe, Wade, CP3, Durant, Brandon Roy, Duncan, Pau, Chauncey …
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
When they won two years ago, yeah
Melo wasn’t, Roy wasn’t.
Dirk, Duncan, James, Bryant, Gasol, Garnett, Nash… And Manu’s defense is very underrated in my opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You have Nash on your list twice...
But not a single Celtic…one year removed from winning a title?
And I would not consider Manu a top 20 player in the league…heck, Parker won the finals MVP in ’07, so you could make the case that he was more valuable to the Spurs at that time than Manu was…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
that was a garbage MVP
should have been duncan’s. and yes i know parker had awesome numbers in the playoffs/finals … but td was the mvp of that team 100 times out of 100
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
I know its de rigueur to trash Deng
but, seriously, what small forward who is not the best player on his team would you like instead? Odom, maybe. Josh Howard? I don’t think so. Rashard Lewis? Possible. Richard Jefferson, Josh Smith? I think Deng is probably overpaid, but so what. He seems to me to be an ideal #3 player on a championship team. Take Rose, Deng & Noah and add 1) the requisite superstar 2) a decent power forward (e.g. Boozer) or shooting guard depending on who the superstar is, and you have a team that can be a top contender. Luol only looks bad when compared to the superstar SF (e.g. Kobe, LeBron, Carmelo,).
he's not an ideal 3 to me.
He can’t break anyone down on the dribble and won’t even make 3’s. His help side defense is awful.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
wow, you're a fool
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 25, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Andre Iguodala
the guy the Bulls should have drafted over deng.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
the PERFECT fit to me would be Danny Granger next to Rose.
That would have been something.
When theres no more room in hell...go to the mall
He plays power forward.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 24, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
You're joking right?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I was thinking the same thing...
But Stephen Jackson may have something to say about that…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Granger, Iggy, Gay &
Wallace are arguably the best players on their respective teams..I would trade Deng for any of them in a heartbeat. So is Caron Butler, or at least a high second. I would not trade Deng for Artest (nutcase), Maggette (gunner), Pietrus, Stojakovic (too old), Kirilinko (4 pts per game), Nocioni (!!!!!!!!!!!!. Everyone complained when he was here) , Ariza, Josh Smith (we have our own Josh Smith already in Tyrus), Azibuke or Jackson (more of a two guard). Yes to Pierce, although its close because of Pierce’s age. Same with Marion. No to Outlaw or Brewer,,,you must be fucking kidding, right. Grant Hill from 2000 would be great, Moon is a career backup. Anyone else? Yes to Gay, although he is close to being the best player on his team. No to Dunleavy and Fernandez. (Fernandez is a fucking guard, Dunleavy averages a career 3.2 rebounds). Demar Derozan?? Are you serious. Prince? Possible. Deng is averaging 18 & 8 on a really bad team, and you would rather have Ronnie Brewer? Travis Outlaw? These are really intelligent comments. I know, Deng is a pussy because he didnt want to play with a broken leg. Get over it.
I would trade him for Ariza or Smith.
Both are better defenders and would look better alongside Derrick,
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Josh Smith is a power forward
Point is, when you look around the league, there’s not really a ton of SFs that are head and shoulders better than Deng. Contract be damned, he’s an effective player and one of the best rebounders at the position in this league.
BronBron, Carmelo, Pierce and Jackson
and he is in the same realm as Butler, Gay and Artest. I don’t know why anyone would want to trade him…
by Super-Structure on Dec 26, 2009 2:35 AM CST up reply actions
No, he is not.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 27, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
have you heard of the salary cap?
“Take Rose, Deng & Noah and add 1) the requisite superstar 2) a decent power forward (e.g. Boozer) or shooting guard depending on who the superstar is, and you have a team that can be a top contender.”
rose, deng, noah, superstarx and boozer might be near the cap with only 5 players?!
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
so?
That’s what rookie salaries and exceptions are for? or have you heard of those? The Celtics are over the cap with three players. How’s that work?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 25, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gay, Butler, Ariza, Fernandez, Lewis, Al Thornton, Derozan, Prince, Wallace, Dunleavy,
T. Williams, S. Young, Josh Howard, I’d play A. Randolph at the 3 also over deng!
Ariza knows how to dribble?
uhh
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Terrence Williams? Are you kidding me?
And Al Thornton is terrible. DeRozan is a SG. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Unless Rose leads us past the 2nd round
why would we “have” to give him a max contract in 2013? Please explain.
Max contracts are for elite winners.
Lets say at that point we have $20 million a year available. The choices will be available.
not in the nba
guys like andre igoudala and gilbert arenas currently have near-max deals… and they are not “elite winners”
even ben gordon got $11M per year and he is a 1-dimensional shooting guard (note: not trying to start a bg argument about why we should/shouldnt have resigned him)
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
And Agent Zero got hurt
He really was an elite player
mistakes yes
but agent zero’s contract was a HUGE mistake because they signed him to it AFTER he got hurt
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
by jammaster2j on Dec 25, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
You're right, but it's jumping ahead
Rose’s likely extension doesn’t kick in for 2.5 more years, and there’s really no point in trading Deng now unless we can get someone with significant value for him. I doubt many GMs are looking at our recent losses and itching to overpay for him.
Yeah Also
Financiallly, many teams are on a downhill slide which I feel will continue into 2010,11,12.
Marginal players will not get long-term deals past 3 years. Too many teams got ripped off by contracts like Kirk, Diop, Turkoglu, Varejo, Gortat, Millsap, Charlie Villanueva, BG (yes) Bass and others that got 25-50 million dollar contracts without a single all-star appearance.
We will see salaries going down. The NBA TV contract is nowhere near as strong the NFL or MLB
This allows stronger teams to fleece the small market teams. Will the Bulls take advantage?
Why do you think he's right? I must be missing something terrible here.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If the trade Luol Deng for a bag of Cheetoes at least they can say they got more for him than Ben Gordon
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I disagree
I think Deng is playing very well and is highly tradable next season. We will need him if we are to win anything with Joe Johnson or David Lee or even Wade.
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