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Trading Derrick Rose (for Chris Paul)

But we get Chris Paul.

For those of you that are Bill Simmons fans on ESPN.com  He wrote a fun article today explaining how a lot of teams are bleeding money and we will see a lot of lopsided trades in the next few months.  Get ready for more Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown trades! (though the Grizz did get Marc Gasol out of that).  He suggested some horrible trades for Chris Paul.  And his main point was that the Hornets are overpaying for many years for a team that will never be good enough to win the championship.  And if they trade away anybody for cap relief.....like David West....then Chris Paul will get unhappy and want to leave.  But what if they could get a future superstar in return and get cap relief for now and the future?  What if the Bulls could get an allstar player? The top PG in the league? An Olympic gold medalist.  Guaranteed. No waiting for FA.  Here is the trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Bulls Trade - Derrick Rose, Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller, John Salmons, and Jerome James' EC

Hornets Trade - Chris Paul, David West, Peja, and James Posey.

Why the Hornets do it - They shed 7 million dollars this year saving them 14 million total when you account for luxury tax dollar for dollar.  They get a future all-star to appease the fans in Derrick Rose, and he is still on his rookie contract.  They get rid of Posey's 3 year deal so that in two years when Rose is up for an extension, they have a lot of cap room to play with and can go after a big FA to pair with Rose and Okafur.  They also have two good young guards in Collinson and Thornton so they could probably flip one of them for even more help.

Why the Bulls do it - A starting five of Paul, Deng, Peja, West and Noah is enough to compete for a title.  Or slide Peja to the bench as a spark plug and put in Hinrich (oh god) as your two guard.   The Bulls will be thin on the bench, but they already have no bench.  Peja and Taj can come of the bench with James Johnson filling in as well.  Only two problems I see with this trade is we might have to play Aaron Gray and VDN is still their coach.

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Will this trade happen?
Yes! Everyone wins
26 votes
No! The Bulls get screwed
53 votes
No! The Hornets get screwed.
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I don't want to trade Derrick Rose in his 2nd year and is a hometown guy

we can build a winner around him, are there better players right now? Yes. Is there a better hometown kid who we can root for and is here and is a star? No.

by Playboy_Bull on Dec 23, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The thing is to build around D.Rose not trade him away! Paul is #1 but Rose it already in the top 10.

by Bully555242 on Dec 23, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions  

Nothing wrong with trading away Rose if we got Paul.

You need a better defense than “hometown boy” guys.

Would you decline Lebron for Rose? Wade for Rose? Howard for Rose? C’mon now.

Rose is by definition “untradeable” but that just means without a history making type trade, it won’t happen. Paul etc. for Rose etc. is pretty much up there in the history of trades, so it qualifies as an exception to me.

I’m sure OKC says Durant is untouchable, and Houston always says Yao is untouchable. Portland will say Roy is untouchable, but any of those 3 teams would be crazy not to take Lebron for them. Untouchable? No, just “we’re not taking your usual offer of expirings/picks/young prospects for our guy.”

by RyPac13 on Dec 23, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions  

They wouldn't right now, as Lebron is entering free agency,

but all things equal they would, which is exactly what RyPac13 is saying.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Dec 23, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

is this the trend im going to keep seeing now on BaB??

The more the bulls play shitty, the more ridiculous the posters on here come with their trade suggestions? Is this what im facing on this blog?? Holy christ!!! The hornets will never trade CP3, let alone for all the scrubs you mentioned (besides rose of course). No other team is looking into making cap room as seriously as we the fans would like to think they are. The bulls, who thoroughly suck the most out of all the league, arent even doing the math that some of you posters slash dreamers are doing. The fact is, this bulls team is what we are given. Just deal with it like ive been tryin to do

"You know, when you said that last time, I was kinda trippin right. But now...you're right. I am crazy...But you know what else? I dont give a fuck."---Bishop in Juice

by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 24, 2009 1:26 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Trading Chris Paul isn’t out of the question. It would be unlikely, but not out of the realm.

If you don’t believe me, Bill Simmons actually talks about it in his recent article on espn.com and it can definitely make sense with the current situation the Hornets are in.

If they can bring back a young player with as bright of a future as Rose, it’s worth considering for them. They are in quite a cap crunch and are losing a ton of money. They can’t get better pieces around Paul for at least 2 years and they will be over the tax this year and next year losing a tremendous amount of money (some figures put that over $20 million).

If they can’t build a good team around Paul and he’s likely to opt out in 3 years anyways, why not trade him if they can get a young star to build around AND save themselves over 20 million dollars? It’s not unforseeable.

And yes, dakoose, thank you. I meant if you had Lebron and Durant for roughly the same amount of years, basically all things being equal, who would you rather have? We obviously wouldn’t rather have Rose than anybody else in the NBA, and while I think Paul may be the best PG in the NBA, there are a few players NO would likely not be able to turn down for him straight up.

by RyPac13 on Dec 25, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Let’s trade Deng & Salmons for Lebron! This will give Cleveland cap relief next season vs. what they would have had to pay to keep Lebron… See…it’s fun to create crazy trades!

by kingles on Dec 24, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The opportunity to get Chris Paul???

I’d trade anybody on the Bulls roster…IN A HEARTBEAT!!!

This guy is having a BAD year…and he’s still averaging 21 pts and 11 assts!!! Paul could get Deng to the 23/24ppg range and Noah would likely see in increase in offensive productivity as well.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Dec 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

This is not to say I'm not a Derrick Rose fan.

Quite the opposite. I’m a HUGE Derrick Rose fan and wish the Bulls had kept BG because they’d be one of the leagues top backcourt combos right now.

BUT,

Chris Paul is on a trajectory to become perhaps the greatest non-Magic Johnson PG of all time!!! Rose will be fantastic and I think will ultimately be more of a scorer than Paul but Paul sets the table so beautifully and if the Bulls are married to a guy like Deng then he needs a guy like Paul to set him up. Paul and West become options 1 and 2 with Deng settling nicely into the 3rd banana role and go back to being the little voice in the corner. He couldn’t complain because both guys have been clearly more productive than him in their careers.

Now THIS trade could actually happen because N.O. may be forced to dump Paul and West. The only question will be can the Bulls put together a package better than what anyone else can put together. Somebody will try to steal Paul the way the Lakers did with Gasol. Let’s hope it doesn’t work out…unless it happens for the Bulls.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Dec 24, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

to the OP, i read the Simmons article the other day, and he said the only way N.O. would part with Paul is if they were presented with a Godfather Offer.

I’m not sure that Rose and Tyrus would qualify as Godfather enough because I don’t think those 2 players give the Hornets a bright enough future to build the team around. The Bulls would likely have to throw in their first-round pick, and it would have to be closer to the trade deadline to ensure that the “New Bulls” couldn’t improve their record enough to take the traded draft pick out of the top-10 (which is where we’re headed this season if nothing changes).

And don’t forget, after next season, Paul can leave if he so chooses.

I wouldn’t do this trade unless Paul was signed to an extension prior to the trade so we could guarantee he’d be around for several years to come.

by Daniel Satan on Dec 24, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

Rose, Thomas and James EC

is probably the best deal they could get that wouldn’t be for another first tier star.

by Super-Structure on Dec 25, 2009 3:47 AM CST up reply actions  

By all accounts Paul is a tremendously loyal player. If the Bulls paid him and he was happy here (IE, not being given bullshit) I think he’d fall in love with the city and the fans. Everybody would appreciate his hard work and competitiveness, I didn’t like the guy coming into this league, but he’s a joy to watch and I really respect him now.

To the trade, we’d need to take back some of their salary, almost certainly that Peja contract, and quite possibly also the Okafor contract that they seem to want to dump.

Here’s a hypothetical trade:

Bulls get

Paul (13.5)
Peja (14.2)
Okafor (10.5)

Hornets get

Rose (5.1)
Noah (2.4)
Miller (12.2 expiring)
James (6.6 expiring)
Hinrich (9.5) or Deng (10.3)

Pargo/Gray type people could fill in to even out salaries as needed.

In this case, we give up a load of talent and expiring contracts. The hornets save a shit ton of money. We get Paul and can move Peja next year since he’ll be expiring. We basically roll over the James and Miller expirings until next year, get a starting quality big man in return for Hinrich (the more likely one to go in this trade since NO has West and would need a starting PG).

Something like this wouldn’t cost us anymore money, just another year or half year of wins until we can move the Peja expiring deal to get some quality talent around Paul.

The Hornets would save a shit ton of money in this deal, at least 18 mil this year and a lot more as time goes on and would have a brighter future with Rose and Noah than they would if Paul leaves for nothing. It’s a trade that would still piss off their fans, but unlikely most trades for Paul, it would not incite a riot.

by RyPac13 on Dec 25, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

18 mil next year* I meant to say for what the Hornets would save, which actually saves them more because they go from paying the luxury tax to collecting from the luxury tax contributors.

by RyPac13 on Dec 25, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

This would never happen lol

this is like watching Dragon Ball Z lol.

Homecoming

by illwill on Dec 25, 2009 5:21 AM CST reply actions  

I think it's a great idea

and tweeted (it’s true!) about it before. If Paul was actually available, he better get a better package than what Simmons suggested from his BFF Morey in Houston. Bulls can trump nearly every offer with Rose.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 25, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

ha

apparently Bulls fans have a high tolerance. If they win, that helps the PR.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 25, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, Bulls fans have a great history of revolting against shitty teams....

I’d think the fanbase would enjoy having their first franchise player since Jordan. The org. doesn’t care about surrounding Rose with talent or getting him a real coach, I’d take the proven superstar everyday.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 26, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

i'd do that deal in a heartbeat

i mean, Paul is a top-5 player in the league… he has no right to be putting up the numbers he has with such a terrible supporting cast, but he is. and as somebody mentioned, this has been a sub-par year for him so far.

by Daniel Satan on Dec 26, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Just stop.

Hypothetical or not it won’t happen,can’t happen, and will NEVER EVER happen. I’m fine with Rose and Noah. We need other players who can help out Rose and Noah and TT than CP3 right now. Again, you can dream all you want (including simmons) it will NEVER, EVER, EVER EVER EVER happen. And i love CP3 he should have been MVP instead of Kobe’s bitchass.

by T.Moore on Dec 28, 2009 1:28 AM CST reply actions  

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