Open Game Thread #26 OVERFLOW: Bulls vs. Sacramento Kings
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2009 8:45 PM CST
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Likely no recap tonight. I know...I've been slackin'
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my prediction for 4th quarter...
salmons – dribble dribble … shoot.
repeat.
I'd like to see Jerome James
get in this game.
by runningman on Dec 21, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bulls are getting nothing from Miller
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Taj Gibson you are not Barkley
stop acting pissed when you don’t get the ball in the post
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions
13 points WTF. I turn away for a few. UGH
Derrick Rose will lead us back to the promise land.
In Vinny We Trust!
Well
I never suspected the Bulls to have a chance @ beating Atlanta so I guess if we blow a 30-point lead to the Kings everything evens out…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
see I never understood why Boston would play so hard with a big lead.
now I know why, you lose your focus.
it's all about momentum
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Set Vinny on fire!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
He's resting because that idiot VDN
played him most of the 3rd with a 30pt lead
bulls in a must score
situation with a 13 point lead…
I think it's safe to say that
the trade for Salmons and Miller is officially a bust
you want noc's contract back?
or was that sarcasm?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Without that trade
We would have struggled to reach the playoffs last year. Both players are a shadow of what they were last year though
we need a post threat like no ones business.
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We have to lead the league in shot-clock violations
and probably by quite a bit
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Here comes the pain...
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
OMG Salmons
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions
Jesus christ John
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
i still can't believe just how bad he is this year
really really bad.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
man, the bulls are lucky brockman is a spaz and couldn't catch that pass
looked like it was about to be a 3-point play
16 Turnovers...not good even a little
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
we might need to start hinrich
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Why isn't Rose getting the ball
at the top in an Iso. How hard is this really?
can we run a play that involves having the ball in Rose's hands?
VDN is a complete dumbass.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions
The starters are gassed
Why? Because the bench is clown shoes.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
neither has salmons...
that’s why they want the ball.
Finally they sub Hinrich for Salmons
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions
Nothing like commiting a foul 30 feet from the basket.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Vinnie has to be on the take
I want an investigation
who is calling these plays?
Hinrich – Noah pick and roll? c’mon
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions
why cant rose guard evans, rose guards the P&R poorly but evans doesnt do much P&R
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
evans is playing the 2
udrih is playing the 1
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get what you are even trying to say
Rose should guard Evans because… Hinrich is paid to be our best defender. Evans is playing the 2 – why place your best player in a bad position?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
he was guarding evans great earlier. rose just cant guard the P&R, which udrih does.
its nt too hard to get. hirrich is better at the P&R.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
well
since the game is over, and we saw that they went exclusively to Evans, maybe it was a good idea to keep our “best” defender on him. just a guess.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
bad guess dude. rose was actually defending evans really well in the first half even when
they iso’ed evans on rose. they did the same with evans guarded by kurt and…plop.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
why did vinny run isos for sal and deng for 15 straight mins?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
giving up 23 points of a 35 point
is horrendous. part of the blame has to go to the coach. they need to get the ball in rose’s hands and slow this ball game down.
This has been a nightmare quarter
Just need to score 5 effin points~!
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions
vdn should be fired on site
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
ANOTHER 24-second violation!
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Sometimes when you win you really lose
and when you lose, you sometimes actually win. I fear even if we do win this game, it won’t do much in the grand scheme of things so everyone can relax.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
that's on john salmons
two 3s from udoka from the same spot on the floor on 2 consecutive trips.
Holy fucking shit I can't believe this
Derrick Rose will lead us back to the promise land.
In Vinny We Trust!
See my above comment
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
This is unreal, could they actually lose a fucking 35 point lead?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Salmons is fucking retarded.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
watch the Bulls run an iso for Deng out of the timeout
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Watch the Bulls let Rose get trapped, then 1000 comments on why Rose is a pussy get posted.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Rose
did short arm the living shit out of that…he could have dunked it with ease…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
There's one.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
what's the nba record for biggest comeback?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
so wait
rose doesn’t get fouled but evans does
If they lose the UC should boo them out of the building
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
So this is kind of the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
Just waiting on some offense....
by wjb1492 on Dec 21, 2009 9:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
have the Bulls
MADE a field goal this quarter?
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Stacey "Wow..." King
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
The Bulls are so mind-boggingly terrible.
I hope they lose by 40 tomorrow.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Look on the bright side
at least this gives Rose a chance to work on his game-ending possessions!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Oh, you mean pointless isolations where he puts up a stupid jumper because Vinny can't draw plays?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
or
his mind-blowingly impossible point blank misses…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
VDN let's Salmons and Deng
shoot us out the game now he wants Rose to win it?
I hope you're joking
and I’m not even talking about your potential suicide….I’m talking about you’re “In Vinny We Trust!”
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 21, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
If we lose this
I’m going to slap the living shit out of each and every single Bulls player. Seriously, I’ll make it happen.
someone was saying they don't get Evans' hype?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
vdn needs to be fired so bad
This is bad basketball
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Evans is too big for Kirk
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions
He's merely making the shots he should have made earlier on.
Missed a bunch of gimmes.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Bahahahahaha, this is hilarious.
The Kings are amazing, in fact I think I’ll become a Kings fan. Must be nice to root for a team that tries.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
And Hinrich, and Miller?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
first you have to ask Gar, who has to consult with Pax, who ultimately has to get the go-ahead from Jerry – who can’t be bothered with such trivial things as the coach of his little cash-cow. Hell, it’s almost baseball season for Jerry.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 21, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's like watchnig game 6 of the 1992 Finals...
…only the exact opposite.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
as are you
for such a shit-for-brains comment
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
8 points in the quarter. Shit.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions
What a shot by Evans
Honestly, I’m rooting for the Kings at this point.
I felt so great in the 2nd quarter
now I’m in complete shock
Oh God
let this be a dream. please.
I don’t think we’re gonna win. It just seems like we’re destined to lose.
why is kirk still in the game!
And he is guarding evens! Vdn is over ppl
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Actually, fuck it. Go Kings, and Tyreke Evans is amazing.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
3 points?
in 50 seconds? There’s no way the Bulls’ score that many in 10 minutes…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
can we put the nail in the coffin of Hinrich as a good defender?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions
Mentally weak
this bulls team
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Remember when that matchup was over in a span of a quarter?
Me either.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
D
FUCKING
FENSE
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
What more could Kirk do there?
Get a goddamn rebound everyone else for fucks sake
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
shit. link blocked.
anyone wanna do some play by play?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
I'd rather just imagine the Bulls were replaced by a bunch of babies after halftime.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so I guess
the “24 second shot clock” is really “the 24 second unless it’s Tyreke Evans, in which case it’s the 26 second shot clock”.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
this tard finally realizies taj needs to be back
In the game. How dumb.
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kirk is so fucking bad at basketball. I can't believe we didn't trade his shitty ass for expirings.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
If Derrick doesn't take this shot then people should storm the court
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Can't wait to see what awesomely-bad play
VDN’s got cued up here…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
They were up by 35!
This has got to be one of the biggest comebacks in NBA history. Congratulations for the Bulls on ending up in the record books.
Fewest points in a quarter too?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls had 88 points after 3 quarters, and they may not get to 100 points.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
tied
http://www.nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/comebacks.html
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
did you notice
the proud owners of the current #2 spot?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Their tired
VDN has only used 7 players today. What a tool.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions
Pargo and JJ
should have been in at some point during the third…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Here is what the Bulls should do
Get the ball to anyone and throw it as hard as it is possible in VDN’s face
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
if salmons takes this shot
i’m literally going to cry.
Unbelievable
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions
was there really a foul
or is that a homer call
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
i think noah got hacked on the
rebound… but yes, i’m a homer.
actually
Noah never touched the ball, he just flailed his arms like a retard.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
maybe Rose isn't a last second shot guy.
Maybe that was the guy we let walk?
10 points in the quarter - to avoid hitting that dreaded 100 point mark
Just waiting on some offense....
"Derrick leaves it short"
because he’s played 41 minutes. Because Vinny is a fuck.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
We are the only ones who care
Reinsdorf is more focused on his precious Sox, and Pax-Forman-VDN don’t give a damn. It’s just us, howling into the wind.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
fans are pissed
I can actually hear them
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:32 PM CST reply actions
i cannot wait to hear the backlash tomorrow
only way for it not to happen is if vinny is no longer employed tomorrow morning
backlash from who?
Blog-a-Bull?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
From D-League
to straight SHITTING all over the bulls. Huge confidence builder for the real ballers over in Sactown.
They didn't get to 100 lol
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions
VDN is the worse coach in the NBA by far
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Im done for awhile, that sealed it.
I cant watch shit like this anymore
Yeah im done until they fire that tard
Of a coach and trade kirk. If not I will countinue to play 2K10 run my own damn team.
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer
a Christmas Eve “anrgy mob ripping VDN to shreds.”
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
a truly embarassing loss
VDN has to be fired. there can be no defenders. The guy is a complete and total boob. He can’t coach for shit. He needs to be gone tomorrow.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions
So we can begin the Bernie Bickerstaff era?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
yes
look, vdn needed to do something to get the team energized. he needed to do something to wake them up. He sat there dumbfounded as the lead drifted away. The Bulls wasted a full 5 minutes in the 4th quarter going to Salmons and Deng on isos where they cannot score.
No Noah in the post, no Rose at the top of the key or on the pick and roll. He is a fool. Compare how Westphal used Evans at the end of this game and VDN used Rose. Its an embarrassment.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, no, it was terrible.
I just know it won’t get any better unless we’re prepared to bring in Scott, Van Gundy, Collins etc.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
I mean, I agree, VDN's a total simpleton.
He said, “c’mon, c’mon!” exclusively in an effort to stop the Kings’ run in the 4th
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree
i think the bulls kept playing, but without focus. they don’t know how to hold a lead.
love bawful
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
The Kings were 35 down, and they won by 4!
It didn’t even come down to the final possession!
It has to be
They’re suppose to be NBA players – they scored less than a point a minute in that quarter, and there’s no excuse for that no matter how crappy the coach is.
Just waiting on some offense....
He wore them out
He only played 7 players. Rose played the whole 3rd qtr
I'd buy that if they hadn't had this huge cushion in the second half.
Or maybe even if it was the second night of a back-to-back.
But not in this situation.
Just waiting on some offense....
That's the point
Why are you playing 7 players with a 35pt lead? That’s on the coach. Players are responsible too but VDN gets most of the blame
Yes, that was idiotic on Vinny's part
But you’re telling me that they’re so incapable of playing 42 minutes of basketball that they’re 23 points worse than the Kings in the 4th?
No way.
Just waiting on some offense....
Exactly!
Why not put in Pargo or JJ or Hunter in the third and see if they can give you a few minutes?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
how many times in the
4th quarter did the bulls make stupid turnovers without the ball in rose’s hands? how many times did they take shots with 15+ seconds left on the shot clock? is that how a good team is coached? i hope not. coaches know how to get the best out of their players. this loss is a lot on vinny.
Rose didn't even come back into the game until the bulls were up 13
when he came back in, for 5 straight minutes they ran plays for Deng and Salmons. VDN has to be able to pull them out of that tailspin with his play calling. He can’t
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying Vinny played no part.
He asked more on the players – and I say absolutely. Vinny doesn’t make them miss shots or commit stupid TOs. No matter what idiotic situation Vinny puts them in, I expect them to execute better.
And they lost the lead largely to the Kings’ bench players!
Just waiting on some offense....
the point isn't that the players didn't play bad
of course they did. But VDN has to have something up his sleeve to pull them out of that tailspin. He did what he always does – ran the same play over and over and over
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I expect more out of the players than most of you.
Vinny is responsible for many things, and I’m far from absolving him from any responsibility in the debacle. But I still say it’s roughly 1/3 on him and 2/3 on the players. I don’t care what idiotic play he gives them to run, or how much more likely to succeed they’d be with a better coach. That matters in closer games.
No coach is such an idiot that a team of NBA players – and actual rotation players – give up a 35 point lead in less than a half of basketball if they are executing at all. Even if Vinny calls a freaking iso for Lu or John on every single play, I expect them to be good enough to make some of those, and smart enough to pass out if it’s clear that the iso isn’t there.
Just waiting on some offense....
if you look at who was on the floor for the Kings during the comeback
Evans, Udrih, Udoka, Brockman and Greene, you will notice that of that group, only Evans played more than 30 minutes.
In contrast, Salmons-Rose and Deng all played over 41 minutes, Noah played 36 minutes and Kirk played 32. Deng was matched for a large portion of the 4th with Brockman, who kept getting offensive rebounds and Udoka who kept getting open 3s, Rose was matched with Udrih, who was blowing by him. And Salmons was matched with Green – again jacking open 3s.
The Bulls lost their legs. In a game where you literally run out to 67 points in the 1st half and a 35 pt lead in third, you have to find time to play your bench. You have to. I don’t think any other coach or team loses this game with that lead against this opponent. You can assign any portion of the blame you want, VDN can be fired, the players can’t be.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said not to fire Vinny
If that’s how people took it. There are a billion reasons to fire Vinny. This game just continued with the same mistakes he always makes – including not developing the bench. My thinking the players are more at fault isn’t intended as an absolution of Vinny.
But I still think the players deserve more fault for this specific loss. They didn’t even have to play well to hold that lead, just not play like total idiots.
Just waiting on some offense....
by wjb1492 on Dec 21, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This argument is like trying to decide
if I’d rather be stabbed 64 times by a crack whore or stabbed 72 times by Queen Elizabeth II.
bullshit. you'd obviously want to
be stabbed 72 times by the Queen. :)
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
One more vote for the crack whore killings!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Absolutely.
You don’t blow a 35 point lead because the coach is an idiot. They made terrible mistakes and took awful shots. I hope they all get mocked for the rest of the season for being so lame.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
add us to the top please
35 points Utah vs Denver 11/27/1996
31 points Utah vs Chicago 02/04/1998
30 points LA Lakers vs Dallas 12/06/2002
29 points Milwaukee vs Atlanta 11/25/1977
29 points Dallas vs Minnesota 12/30/2008
25 points Portland vs N.O. 11/10/2006
25 points Boston vs Milwaukee 05/25/2002
25 points LA Lakers vs Chicago 04/03/1979
24 points Dallas at Toronto 02/25/2006
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
They didn't score 100 fucking points.
Fire the entire coaching staff, and fucking bench the entire lineup. Fuck the entire team. I want to see Aaron Gray play 40 minutes tomorrow.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pargo didnt play
JJ didnt play, Hunter didnt play. In other words VDN played 7 players and wore these guys out with a 30 PT LEAD!!!!!
Outscored 33-10 in the 4th
They score 15 points in the freaking quarter and get the win.
Still wouldn’t have deserved the W at that point – but how do you score 10 points in the 4th while giving up 33?! Damn 3 point shot.
Just waiting on some offense....
Absolutely pathetic effort in the 4th quarter.
It’s like they played a half of perfect ball, so they crammed a full game’s worth of mistakes into one quarter.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
when youre shooting FTs starting at the 7 min mark.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Two steps is allowed
They changed the rules over the summer.
Fire this motherfucker.
Seriously. No other option. Fire this motherfucker.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Dec 21, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
There is another option, you can shoot him.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't advocate murder
Can we just thrash him with a cane instead?
VDN played
7 players in a 35 pt game. He wore out the starters
i have to go throw up now
good night everyone
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
this is the worst year I have ever seen in Chicago sports
by SoulEater7 on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
it's the worst i've ever seen by far
something bad will probably happen to ruin the Blackhawks’ season, i can feel it.
by Daniel Satan on Dec 21, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Simple, the players where overplayed and tired in the 4th.
VDN is a fucking idiot
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions
My butt just threw up in its mouth
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Light VDN on fire
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Tar and feather?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
that
would be an insult to both tar and feathers, both of which are actually GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO!!!
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually don't see how that's an "excuse"
It’s the truth, and it’s an admission that they totally blew the game.
Just waiting on some offense....
Awesome
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I Left Early
Was at the game and left in the 3rd quarter to pack for the weekend. Got a text when I entered the house telling me about this. I am speechless. I would trash this team but I don’t have the words for blowing a 30+ point lead.
Who should get Chicago Coach of the Year?
Vinny or Lovie?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
yeah
fuck our leading scorer. wait… what?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
He bricked 3 or 4, and again Vinny is a doofus for calling isolation plays for Luol freaking Deng.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
deng had a good game
this whole team collapsed.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Evans was acting like a punk
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions
Rose is better.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
is it bad that i was terrified of Evans down the stretch
and had almost no confidence in Rose? there’s no way Kings fans were nearly as afraid of Rose at the end of the game as i was of Evans..no way.
Evans is a walking mismatch
Thank god we have all defensive ace Kirk Hinrich to slow him down. Wait…
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
They're equals I'd say.
Evans didn’t give up the whole game. He blew a ton of easy shots and could have just cakewalked through a blowout.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Fire this fucker tonight, not tomorrow.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
maybe this will be the moment that derrick rose realizes they're all a bunch of clowns?
and decides, fuck it.
He should demand VDN be fired
And demand Paxon make a trade.
Homecoming
by illwill on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm out
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions
We only tied the NBA record for biggest comeback loss
Fuck.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions
To the shitty Kings.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
would anyone judge for taking a break from following the Bulls?
I’ve been a fan for more than 18 years now. I’m 24 and I grew up watching the Bulls. I’ve never been this hurt, or disgusted with a team that’s put on the red and black uniforms. I don’t care about all the reasons stated above. This is a joke, a disappointment, an abomination and moments like these ruin can ruin my day.
It’s just too much to handle.
give mccants a contract
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
So....what big time free agent are we gonna get?
Im sure they are dying to get here
Rasual Butler.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
minutes played
deng – 43
salmons – 41
rose- 41
how can vdn do this when we have a game tomorrow and we were up by 35?
ehhh
NBA player should handle 40 minutes a night
Actually
I’d rather we be up by 10 and blowing that lead.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
It's just a different way to lose when you get right down to it.
I’m not sure it really feels all that different than getting blown out.
Just waiting on some offense....
No, he'd just kick it out and someone would hit a 3.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see Evans passing
Court vision: not there
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
DW is not coming
Dwayne wade or anyone with a name will steer clear of Chicago because they don’t want to be cought playing with these idiots
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
that 4th quarter was the basketball equivalent
of having your “manhood” cut off and shoved down your throat.
i’ve never seen anything more disgusting than that.
it is clear to me that Noc was the difference in this game
with his hard nosed cheering on the bench
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions
"Fatigue was not an issue"
“Players win games. You have to execute” – VDN
No, they forgot how to play basketball for a quarter.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
From a RealGM poster
Deng rested for 5:30 minutes tonight. Rose rested seven minutes. Salmons rested eight minutes. Noah 10 minutes. Many coaches will say you don’t coach tomorrow night today, so I won’t use the excuse that he should be resting guys for tomorrow. But I will say that in that game, there was NO REASON for so many guys to play so many minutes. Basically, the Bulls were more tired than Sacramento and it led to them getting open threes and getting to the line (Bulls not moving their feet). It was amazing. The Bulls had a 18+ point lead (sometimes high as 35) for a CONSECUTIVE 22 minutes.
The Bulls were up by 18 or more for 22 consecutive minutes yet VDN didn’t feel comfortable enough to sit Rose, Deng, Salmons or Noah for any time so they could rest. HE CAN"T HANDLE THE ROTATIONS. HE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. He has been screwing up rotations for 2 full seasons and he LUCKED OUT last year when Pax made that trade and the Bulls had only 7-8 healthy players. And even than HE KEPT BENCHING TYRUS. Fire this dipshit now.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny because they will lose by 20 tomorrow because of exhaustion.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Thank God others are seeing what I just saw
Instead of calling Rose a pussy for missing the last shot. It’s obvious VDN blew that game. This is ridiculous. Give those guys a real coach and quit messing around
You know who can guard Tyreke Evans?
Kurt Heinreich
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
At least we can all say we where there when history was made (tied)
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions
shit
get kendall gill out there for 20 minutes a game.
If this doesn't motivate Matt to write recap, nothing will.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
It's pathetic anyway
Even when they were up big early, I could totally hear the ice cream vendor yelling.
Just waiting on some offense....
everything went write for Sacremento at the end, is was grotesque, almost comical
It was like missed free throw followed by rebound followed by turnover followed by and 1
I'm wondering when you will tire of your shtick.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
dude he rolls his eyes and slumps
he is the highest paid player and when shit hits the fan he crumbles
He rolls his eyes? That's cause for anger?
I fear for Deng’s life if he puts his hands on his hips.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
It would have been ten times better if the Bulls were blown out by the 30
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions
A ship named Titanic.
A dirigible named Hindenburg.
A nuclear reactor named Chernobyl 4.
A basketball team named the Bulls Cows.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
be green
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
The thing that kills me is that VDN played 7 guys
Why not throw Pargo or JJ (only your top pick) or Hunter or whomever out there in the third and see if they give a few decent possesions. If they don’t, hell, at least you tried something. If VDN is too stupid to figure that out then get rid of him.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Maybe someone should have thrown something at Noc.
He could have jumped into the crowd starting a Pacers-Pistons part 2 and the game could have been cancelled before the Bulls blew the entire lead.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Also the fucken starters rested at halftime
so don’t give me this fatigue bullshit
Dumb turnovers
Dumb Shots
WTF would Pargo JJ and Hunter do? Give up the lead faster? Duh.
They were fatigued. Know why?
Because they just blew a 35 POINT LEAD!
if the bench comes in at the 35 point lead
and they play poorly and allow the Kings to come back then at least the starters are rested. They’re also not demoralized and come back in with the intent of closing it out. Instead, the Bulls starters lose the lead, lost the momentum, were demoralized, and tired at the end of the game. It’s terrible game management.
you know when the Bulls are running those 20 isos in a row for Deng
they can put Pargo in the corner instead of Rose.
And when Rose is hot from the field, you can play JJ and sit Deng.
And when Salmons is constantly turning the ball over, you can play Pargo or Hinrich. Game management. Its a new concept. We haven’t seen it in a couple years.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
If there is a silver lining
it’s that perhaps this demoralizing loss will force management’s hand in making some changes.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions
Don't hold your breath
As long as people keep showing up then they’ll do nothing.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
this is all on VDN
if your up by fucking 35 points, then rest your fucking starters you fucking dumbass son of a bitch
even if they win it's questionable.
Definitely “the new years hump”
I don't buy the fatigue excuse.
These guys are NBA players. Guys play over 40 minutes regularly in the playoffs. Evans played 44 minutes tonight, the most minutes of any player. He was the one making the plays at the end. VDN does stink as the coach, but the players are absolutely culpable for the choke.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Gee, thanks for that insightful perspective.
Thank God Blazers fans are here to set us straight.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Dude...I'm a big fan of the Bulls.
They are my 2nd favorite team in the NBA.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
yeah well noah's conditioning is eh.
but yeah, this isnt a back to back. they should be fine.
Did you happen to look at the rest of
the minutes that were played for the Kings? Evans wasn’t the only guy that engineered that comeback. Go take a look then look at our players minutes then get back to us.
the other guys on the floor with Evans
the guys hitting the 3s and grabbing the rebounds – none of them played over 25 minutes. Fatigue isn’t all that happened out there, but it played a part. The bigger thing is VDN has to call plays better and has to rest guys when the Bulls are up 30 points. Of course someone who builds a 30 pt lead is going to get complacent, that is why you put in the bench guys who are trying to make an impression
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
I blame Tyrus.
He should have been more vocal on the bench, cheering his teamates on. When they pan to the bench he seems almost disinterested. You never see Hunter, JJ or Gray wearing that hangdog look. I say cut Tyrus before he comes back and screws up the Bulls chemistry.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
The idiot also traded Larry Hughes
Talk about multipying your mistakes…..
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 21, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Im not an expert on the game of basketball
But considering that most of us saw that game, it’s scary that so many here are laying this all on the players. NBA teams don’t just blow 35 point leads. Look at the minute disparity. Look at the plays that were called on the floor. This falls mostly on VDN. PERIOD.
by Dils on Dec 21, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
BULLCRAP
players execute
every set has options
You really believe Vinny calls isos?
Isos are the last resort, come on now, u know that
what options?
with 2.5 – at best – scorers on the floor at any one time!
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
but if you have no actual offensive sets
as in set plays with players cutting and finding open shots or driving. i mean come on we dont even have a go to play. weve had so many opppurtunities to win the game in so many different games dating back to last year that its unfathomable taht the only one i can think of is the larry hughes game winner against utah. and thats just one out of countless similar situations
Then tell me
Why is Deng running isos? Why is he letting Deng and Salmons go on a 5 minute binge of selfish basketball without benching them when Tyrus gets yanked for the hell of it? Because that’s where coaching comes in and he failed. Rose played the whole 3rd with a 35 pt lead. That’s criminal
Someone has to shoot it at the end of the shot clock, no?
I really don/t recall Deng and Fish isoing as much as you do.
You dont' seem to grasp much.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i still say this on VDN
when your up by 5 with 2 mins to go, why the hell would you go into deng/salmons fadeaway shot with hand in face at shot clock buzzer mode rather than go to rose? i swear to god chi-town sports suck
This organization personifies LOSERS from top to bottom...
The blame for this really starts with JR and tolerating mediocrity in management and results. Pathetic.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Dec 21, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions
Between Vinny and Lovie it truly is Idiot League.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 21, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions
Thank you Mr. Del Negro
Greatest coaching the other team back in the game I have ever seen. stick a fork in your ass you r gone
Fatigue = BS Excuse
Sorry, I don’t care how tired they are, it’s a 35 point lead with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. They got beat by 2 points a minute for the final 20 minutes. An NBDL team would have won this game.
It’s nothing more than lack of focus and lack of effort.
Same Ole
Could have swapped it with any other press conference. “Need to execute better”, “put the game behind us”, etc.
Need to execute better
thats like the quote of the year! We just need to not be bad is what they mean.
yes thats the most over used nonsense cliche
wtf does that mean? You need to axe someone’s head off before the game?
While I'm thankful the Kings won
I’m also not not a big believer the Bulls will ever score 67 points in a half again either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
In short
VDN sucks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
if your point was the law of averages rose up in the 2nd half i actually might be inclined to agree.
the bulls are a team that will score <100 per game, not >130 per game.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Jaina, I'm sure you have lots of words to describe this
But none of them would be very lady like.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
as I said last may...
Power Forwards Wanted.
Undersized, Poor Defenders, and Wanna-be ‘Threes’ need not apply.
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
please Mr. Reinsdorf...high chairman sir......
if you wish to continue to collect riches….THEN SELL THIS GODDAMNED TEAM TO AN OWNER WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WINNING AND WONT HAVE A FREAKING ORGASM IF HIS OTHER TEAM WINS ONE TITLE WHEN THE MORE SUCCESSFUL ONE ALREADY HAS SIX. IM TIRED OF THIS BS!
the game ended on a 58-19 "run"
when you think you’ve hit rock bottom…
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions
Lineups
when I saw Deng,Miller, Heinrich,Gibson, Salmons I knew this is his lineup and he stuck with it to the bitter end and it killed us.
i noted that too
that lineup really got nothing going to begin the 4th. Miller is just a ghost at this point. When Tyrus gets back, I don’t even know if I want to see Miller on the floor. He is brutal
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
J.Johnson
young player with fresh legs can’t get off bench ru kidding
by sugarbear06 on Dec 21, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
It works both ways
If you give the players all the credit for generating the 35 point lead then they also have to take some of the stick for throwing it away.
Having said that, no coach worth his salt should lose a lead like that – if it’s a case of the players losing confidence in their shots then as coach VDN also has to take some responsibility for that.
Combination of bad coaching and bad execution, but personally I put most of the blame on whoever it was that said they only started watching the game at halftime…
by LimeyBull on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rose had to stop this run
The critiques of Vinny are accurate and always welcome and fatigue certainly could have been a factor, but this one lies at the feet of Derrick Rose in large measure. Sure, he sat too long to start the 4th (should have sat more earlier), but he still came in with a 13 point lead. He controlled the game by diving and darting to the basket in the first half, but was then content to pass the ball to the wing or high post and circle around, only to never see it again. If you don’t get it back, you can’t give it up when the other team is busting your ass. Demand a clearout and try to stop the bleeding. He never did.
Meanwhile, Tyreke Evans made it clear down the stretch that the win or loss would be on him. Rose didn’t.
those are the plays the Bulls are calling. Rose isn't calling for Deng to get the ball
that is VDN. and Evans isn’t calling his own number, that is Westphal. They went to Evans out of timeouts, the Bulls went to Deng until about the 3 minute mark in the 4th.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
If that's the play called, you break it off
There’s some cliche talking about the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. It’s like Vinny calling 20 s timeouts at the end of every quarter. Guess what – the players have played in a lot of games and likely understand who’s hot and who’s not. If Rose is the star and the focal point, he needs to be defiant. Ignore the play and make a play.
agreed. at some point Rose has to say fuck it, i'm getting to the lane
But i just think its bogus nobody else on this team ever gets blamed for not making plays when things are going wrong
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Humiliating
Rose helped build a fucking 35 point lead. He shouldn’t even have to come back into this game if our team had any depth whatsoever.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
blaming Rose
you couldn’t even name him captain now you ask him to take over give me a break
by sugarbear06 on Dec 21, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
yeah he's not quite ready for the 'star' title yet.
you don’t let that shit happen. no emotion either.
watch VDN
his game favors those two, not Rose they are the captains and in my mind they had a bvig hand in this loss not Rose job to save us at the end.
by sugarbear06 on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I still dont get why everyone
assume that Rose is the guy to take the last shot. That wasn’t him last year when everyone would get pissed because BG would take it and it’s not him now. Those guys are born, not made and maybe that isn’t him
Where was Ron Turner when you needed him to guide the Bulls in the red zone?
Or at least Jim Boy%#n, a coach with much, much stronger credentials than Vinny.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Vinny had credentials?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Dec 21, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
JR should be forced to watch the 4th quarter of this game over and over and over.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
how the hell does james johnson not get PT when we're up by 35
do we need to be up by 40 before it’s safe enough to put him in?
well... apparently. the lead was not safe
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
It's called coachin' scurrrred!
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
JR, Pax, Gar and Vinny should be forced to watch the 58-19 run
on a large screen set in the United Center parking lot wearing nothing but clown shoes and jockey shorts while the fans bombard them with snowballs.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
QUIZ TIME?
In the NBA, whats the biggest lead any team has had at home and then blown it to lose the game?
What team was it?
ANSWER
The team to have the biggest lead at home only to loose it where the 2009-10 Chicago Bulls. On December 21st 2009 the Chicago Bulls where up by 35 points only to blow it and loose 102-98 to the Sacramento fucking Kings. Well Done Bulls!
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 PM CST reply actions
Don't forget Bulls loss to the 1-19 NJ Nets also!
Plus, the Bulls have been blown more than half of the 16 losses to date…
Fire Paxson, Gar, Vinny and the rest of the coaches, announcers, trainers,do nothing scouts and everyone else working in Paxson’s organization. Let Benny the Bull stay.
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
and Salmons
what does he have to do to get benched?
by sugarbear06 on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
well they need him to start playing better so he opts out.
the problem is he knows he’s just an expiring contract for the bulls. Thats in his mind.
same thing John Paxson needs to do to get Benched! Nothing!
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
Your second half thread is almost a mirror image of the Sactown Royalty 1st half thread, ecept for the VDN stuff
at about the 8:00 minute mark we started going “They are trying to give us this game” and they did. Bad loss, not rubbing it in Sac has had way too many games like this.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Maybe they got a little cocky, between the OT comeback and the first half tonight.
Although if that’s the case, this should definitely humble them.
Just waiting on some offense....
Luol should have said this game was decided based on simple Math!
It’s a stretch for the Bulls to score over 100 pts regardless how big a lead or if him and rose together were shooting 65% first half. In the end the averages get adjusted and the Kings did what they usually do in scoring averages. 102 – 98.
I really dislike this team .. moreso than any in the history of the Bulls
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
In the 70's
the bulls where an expantion team, they had an excuse back then
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions
The Bulls were very good for the first half of the 1970's.
Four straight 50+ win seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 21, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Being a diehard Bulls, Bears and Cubs fan is bad enough
but I have no interest in hockey.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
coach vs. players
we can go back and forth, the obvious fact is that this team has no leadership. Not VDN, not Rose, not the captains, not Noah – no leadership on the court or in the locker room.
At the end of the day, the coach is hired to be a leader. And it is especially important for the coach to be a leader when you have a young team. VDN is not a leader. he is not a teacher. He must be fired, and the Bulls need to bring in a veteran coach and a veteran star. A veteran coach who will gain respect for his knowledge and accomplishments, not his title. And not a vet rotation player or a vet to sit on the bench, but a veteran star to lead and to expect more from his teammates, the coaching staff and the players.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think bad coaching is the proximate cause of the loss
Obviously, the players are directly culpable — they were on the floor and played awfully. But the fact that the Bulls run no real offense came home to roost in the second half. The Bulls never look like they have a plan on offense, and it lends itself to long stretches of awful jump shots. The only high percentage shots they get with any regularity are Rose’s drives, and VDN’s offense chooses to take the ball out of Rose’s hands after he brings it upcourt with alarming regularity.
Also, if the Bulls had any direction on defense, it wasn’t apparent. VDN chose not to double Evas just like he chose not trap Devin Harris last season. He let’s the responsibility fall on an obviously over-matched defender rather than make a coaching decision.
So, both players and coach are responsible. But some of the players I think can be part of a good team (maybe even next season).
by hitlesswonder on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree BBall Smurf but don't hold your breath.
Following your advice would mean less money in JR’s wallet.
He supposedly loves the Sox but is tightfisted with them too.
Bulls fans have to take the same approach and stop filling his bloated coffers.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe its time to lace up the skates
in a figurative sense.
They seem to be the only team in Chicago that is worth caring about. I know the NBA Cares but does Bulls Management?
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The Blackhawks, of course.
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A loss to the Knicks and VDN's gone, right?
This can only go on for so long. The question then becomes who the new coach is. Bernie?
he's not getting fired this season bro.
The team took a vacation. It’s on everyone tonight. The Kings found a lineup that worked while the Bulls started napping and they got hot. The Bulls stopped competing period. They aren’t that good to do that. They see these teams and wanna be just like them. Relaxing on the bench during a blowout. OH MY NIGHT IS DONE. Their not good enough to do that.
I think that's true. The Bulls punted on the season long ago. They don't care about the coach
They don’t want to pay VDN to not coach this year. He’ll finish out the season unless they become wretchedly 0-18 stretch bad and they feel they need to pull the plug for PR reasons. But I think a loss at NY isn’t going to mean anything.
Honestly, I think VDN is probably gone at the end of the season. But if the 3rd year is guaranteed, I wouldn’t count on it. And should he be fired, I’m sure the Bulls will hire some micro-managing pace-killing dude like Avery Johnson and I’ll finally be forced find alternative basketball to watch.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
i'm sure you're right
but any team that cared about winning (or the fans) would have to can him. honestly, my time as a season ticket holder is probably winding down. this team is really an insult to me, and i’m not just talking about tonight. the organization has no plan and if the FA bonanza in 2010 doesn’t work out, it will be more of the same. even if they do get a top FA, i don’t trust the team enough to get a decent coach. there is no direction or strategy. if they don’t care enough to try to put a winning product on the floor, i don’t care to pay many thousands of dollars for season tickets. winning is incidental to what the bulls do (i.e., sell tickets to people who clearly dont care if the team wins or loses). sadly, there’s nothing i can do now as the tickets were purchased months ago. i am really disgusted with this team right now.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 21, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously this team just did what it's been doing all season and thats quitting.
How many times have teams made a big run on the Bulls and they just lay down. Thats been their trait all season. They weren’t this mentally weak against Boston so what happened? In blowouts they quit. With big leads they quit. Is that VDN I’m not so sure. I think some of the players are quitters. Last time I watched a team quit like this was 2007. Ask yourself who was on that team?
Which comes first
Lack of talent or lack of coaching?
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I have a scary thought.
Maybe the players are giving maximum effort and simply suck under zero leadership due to a lack of coherent strategy and chaos fromhe bench.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
no they jogged through the second half.
they fell back on their losing trait. giving up. The Kings just kept playing. 48 minutes man.
Thats right
The bulls think that other teams will just give up like they do when they are down by a big margin. But in reality teams want to come back just to make the score more respectable.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe all the fans should send a lump of coal to the Bulls front office for Christmas.
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I'm telling you I could pick up something on Evans from my TV that the Bulls didn't
before he makes his move to the basket he takes two long strides at that time the Bulls should send the double at him and he’ll turn the ball over or travel. He was doing that in the first half. He is totally predictable. Tyrus would have been swatting his shot all night. For them not to key on that just tells you how dumb this team is.
recap is up!
I was inspired :)
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