Bulls 92, Pistons 85: Given the current state of the team, a must-win that was won
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 PM CST
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Detroit | 86.0 | 98.8 | 41.0% | 26.9 | 37.0 | 17.4 |
| Chicago | 107.0 | 50.7% | 31.9 | 34.3 | 19.8 |
Ugh, that was a terribly boring night of basketball. Not much of a recap is needed, the Bulls opened up the game huge with a 23-6 lead (credit for coming out strong given they were on a 4 game losing streak) and never trailed. They likely saw a Pistons team missing Hamilton, Prince, and Villenueva and realized they weren't going to be threatened offensively, and played like it.
Not that there weren't some good performances. I don't know how anyone can say any team with John Salmons should be in transition more (does anyone kill fast breaks with such regularity?), but he shot well, hit 3-4 3-pointers and finished with 22 points. Brad Miller had his first solid game in a long while, and his six assists included two lobs to Derrick Rose (shame Rose's one attempt at a lob - this season? - didn't convert). And, of course: Noah rules.
They actually weren't that bad from an efficiency standpoint tonight on offense, but maybe it's just seeing 11 more minutes of Lindsey Hunter (egads, I think VDN thinks he 'found something' here), Hunter-Pargo together, Taj fouling out in under 20 minutes...this team is going to be very bad for the next few games, so it was good they got a team worse (and more banged up) than them tonight, and got the win.
This Pistons team looked really inept, their remaining guards of Gordon, Stuckey, and Bynum each were ballhogging and missing, and any time Chucky Atkins was in there was a disaster. And apparently the renaissance of Ben Wallace took a break tonight (maybe he's just so used to nights off in the UC?).
The big sidestory* in this game was, of course, the return of Gordon. The in-house crowd was split maybe 65/35 boos, which is a pretty pathetic referendum on any hoops sophistication in this town. But I likely should've expected it, and given that they were more enthusiastic seeing Cuppy Coffee win the Dunkin Donuts race on the jumbotron than in booing Gordon, it stopped bothering me. It's not like the crowd at these games is exactly a 'hardcore' sampling of fan. Though they didn't get their free big macs tonight, they did see a game where Gordon (not looking 100% on the ankle) had chances to get his team back into the game (with the Bulls blessing) but instead shot them out of it. He was 2-8 from three and missed a lot of makeable up-close shots, as our vaunted tall guard couldn't really stay with him, and Lindsey Hunter seemed really determined to get into the scoresheet as much as possible through fouling.
But yeah, there was some shaky dribbling, ill-advised leaners, barreling into the lane, outsized on defense....but watching it from the other side, I still missed the guy. At least he'd make these games less excruciating to watch.
*(And as an emerging sidestory, James Johnson again with the DNP-CD)
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Bill and Chuck were miffed at the James Johnson benching.
They mentioned it a few times almost questioning what the hell VDN is doing because the players look tired and they have some back to backs coming up.
he could get plenty of burn
in a couple upcoming blowout losses
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Worse than he was killing the Bulls?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Bulls beat the Cavs in the last meeting...
I don’t see why they can’t do it again.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
They could beat any team in the league.
Duh.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Not the Nuggets...
Not this season, unless both teams make the finals.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Not the Blazers or Lakers
I do think if Tyrus is healthy we could beat the Nuggets as we did fine last year….but it would be an upset.
I think we matchup terribly to the Blazers and Lakers most when we’re at full strenght.
We could do somethng perhaps against the Celtics (cuz of age and some odd inconsistencies and Magic—streaky shooting sometimes), but that would be a win 1 in 10 game chances….
I think we’d lose all 10 against the Blazers and Lakers pretty handilly….
Lakers best team in the league, Blazers probably top 7 for sure, if not higher, but those are our worst matchups.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I'm guessing he meant that because they don't play the Nuggets again.
He’s being a “smart” ass. Touche.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Ah...
I forgot we played them twice, since the 2nd game was so unmemorable. I shouldn’t jump in sometimes.
Thanks Tyger.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Because LeBron might actually give a crap this time?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
If we’re getting creamed, I’m all for throwing him in for major minutes….
Well if Taj keeps this crap up (I mean Taj is crap, but at least for a time he looked like crap in the Malik Allen but a bit more of D end of things yet a rookie), but now he’s been just pure crap the last 3 games….
So maybe you guys’re right to give Johnson more burn just so we on BaB can stop asking about him until next year….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Tonight was one of the only games I've had to listen to on the radio this year and
Bill and Chuck didn’t hold back on Vinny. They were complaining about the TO he called in the last two minutes too. It was nice to hear them not apologizing for him like the tv guys.
I know!
It was like the light at the end of the tunnel. You felt like maybe people in the org. are turning on him.
Christmas Eve is just around the corner!
by hlac on Dec 3, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
wow, awesome
I finally agree with you.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
YES
rec’d.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
the radio guys are pretty cool
two years ago i liked listening to niel and wennington, so when i heard niel was coming to tv i was happy….then…i was dissapointed…it turns out its wennington that made that duo special….Chuck is just an awesome play by play guy, pretty neutral, and hes extremely knowledgeable, he announces more than just bulls games on the radio, hes also a huge bosh fan since he was an announcer for toronto before he came here…wennington is just like the friendly uncle, id say hes smarter than stacey but doesnt have the cool catch phrases….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
IMO,
it’s Stacey King that brings Neil down. With all that “friendly banter” while ignoring the game, Stacey’s “DON’T DO HIM LIKE THAT” expert analysis and such, Neil is just like the good kid that fell in with a bad crowd, and now he’s a terrible announcer.
I mean, last night it got to the point – when Rose did that coast-to-coast move when they tried to trap him in the back court – they just kept saying “beep beep” without any actual english. It’s annoying and embarassing.
I watch the NBA channel a lot, so I see lots of hometown announcers from around the league, and while none of them are that great, at least they focus on the game.
Or the
[scrub player has 1 ok move one time in his career that just happens to be against the bulls]
“Now he’s gonna be a player, mm-hmm, he’s gonna be a real player”..King banter, get out of the way.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Dec 3, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if neil actually called the game correctly
the duo would be fine. but he’s constantly saying things are 3 pt shots when they aren’t, getting players mixed up… etc etc. that’s not stacey’s fault.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I know
you’re absolutely right. Stacey has destroyed all remnants of the good sports announcer that used to live inside Neil Funk. On radio, he was very, very good. He was on point, knew what was going on, and spoke clearly. Now he’s a wreck.
I actually think Stacey's pretty funny
and if you pay attention, every once in awhile he says something mildly intelligent and insightful about what’s going on in the game. I just laugh at Neil because sometimes I’m wondering if he’s even watching the same game as me.
Like last night when he said Taj was the Bulls best on-ball AND off-ball defender. I was laughing my ass off. Next he’s going to say Tyrus is our best and most consistent jump shooter.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
...
exactly.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
he could have been getting things wrong on the radio
and no one would know it unless they were listening while watching. ;)
and i actually kinda like stacey. he’s grown on me at least.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Dec 3, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Stacey's grown onto me too
A bit…but the combo of them is annoying and it’s probably on both of them.
Stacey gets too jokey and doesn’t always watch, and Funk calls the game off all the time….which is a worse offense…
I think because King can be funny I forgive him a bit more…
Either way Chicago could do a bit better, but these 2 are far better than the end of the Dore and Red days (Red couldn’t see as well, but was still great for the memories and I totally miss Red, was sad to see his health when they had that long deserved ceremony for him, and was really sad when he passed), but Dore added nothing….and made it really bad there.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Not sure if I can ever imagine Neil Funk being very, very good.
I’m not as critical on announcers as you all, Neil is bearable, and King’s hilarious.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 3, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I could be biased
because he called the Bulls games on the radio back during the 2nd 3-peat. And I listened to games on the radio a lot back in the 90’s and I always felt like I understood what was going on.
And Stacey’s not worthless. If he just stopped with his catch-phrases, excessive friendly banter and focused on the game he’d be much better. He seems to understand the game, but far too often I feel like the game takes a back seat to the “Stacey King Experience”.
Can't stop the Funk
I thought Funk was much better on radio. Announcers change their style on television to let the action speak for itself. He’s not good at the during the game banter. He also may have made the same mistakes on radio, but we didn’t know.
I can barely listen to Swirsky. He reminds me of the kid who never played ball but listened on the radio. He’s all catch phrases and hyperbole.
by El Toro de Goro on Dec 3, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ok freeze it!
alright now go ahead and roll it.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah me too
I wasn’t hatin’
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
How is Neil bearable?
My baseline for announcers is that they need to have the ability to see.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
JJ needs to get some minutes
this is getting ridiculous
by chitownsports25 on Dec 2, 2009 10:49 PM CST reply actions
I liked salmons play today
Mainly he was more focused on defense (keeping gordon at bay) and didnt have the energy for (many) isos….
I saw the way the team was playing gordon and laughed…i think the idea was…hey if we lose, lets not lose by ben gordon…they pressured him the most, and did a good job of keeping the ball away from him or putting him in a tight spot..again kudos for salmons who did a good job i thought defensively
Ive come tot eh conclusion that rose should care less about turnovers in terms of passing…i think hes careful enough that he doesnt just throw random passes, but his fear of turnovers keeps him from trying different things and limits him. He had 5 this game but i didnt think any of them could have majorly impacted the game, hes not a knucklehead wiht the ball. a few turnovers came from throwing lobs or seeing a window for a pass that just was a bit off….i dont mind those too much more because the bulls are an otherwise timid and careful bunch…
My favorite plays tonight include
The miller lob to Rose
The miller lob to rose part 2 (especially since rose just jogged and did a standing dunk….thats a pg?)
The pistons full court press on rose having all the big men guard rose on the other side of the court
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I thought Salmons wasn't good on Gordon at all
he seemed to easily get around him, or get space. But Gordon gets space against nearly everyone I guess.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think late in the 4th salmons started getting sloppy
and its not like salmons is a great defender to begin with, it was more the focus i was liking, he stayed home on gordon pretty much the whole time, he denied gordon the ball several times, and used his length (call it wingspan) to bother gordon…ill admit i really started watching the game at the start of the 3rd, but my brother said thats how salmons had been playing him the whole game. The bulls seemed more intrested in not letting gordon beat them, i joked that the bulls were willing to take a loss so long as gordon wasnt the one who handed it to them…reinsdorf wouldve looked even worse (is that possible)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
So what
Gordon is still a poor finisher. Salmons was recovering on most of Gordon’s blow bys to get a hand on the ball or force Gordon into the help.
The same play would hurt if the Pistons were at full strength and Gordon had some actual players to pass to on those blow bys.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I thought Gordon was a good finisher?
82games disagrees with me, wow, .440 from close and blocked 22% of the time?
http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET3.HTM
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
personally
I liked Derrick’s coast to coast past all 5 pistons, swtiching direction mid-air for the hoop almost as much as either lob.
There were a few times Derrick Fish and Luol got out on the break and just flew past the Maxiells and Wallaces on the pistons (not surprising).
What with all the adequately run plays and such we looked like an NBA offense tonight, at least a little.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Umm......
we have Aaron Gray and Lindsey Hunter. I’ll take Kwame over either of ’em.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
He's not good,
but he gets so much grief because of his draft position. He’s better than Gray, far better actually. That’s not saying much, but whatever.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
"He's better than Gray"
Sadly, that may be one of the most complimentary statements said about Kwame Brown that I’ve heard.
No I'd take Brown over Gray....
I would take Lindsey over both of them, but every 8-9 games Kwame CAN put a really surprisingly somewhat ok for a C kind of game and then suck ass for the next 8 games afterwards….where Gray just is flat out terrible, and Gray time = other team’s scoring run against us….every f-ing time.
I really thought last year was the end of the Gray experience, and I expected to see him in Europe.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He's too big to just go away that easy...
Somebody will pay him just for the extra big man fouls off the bench I would think.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well let them pay him
He shouldn’t be here….and well he wanted a contract last year and we were the only team dumb enough to give him one, and he held out trying to get a 2 year deal for the $1M salary and nobody else was dumb enough to bite….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
He's also the only Bulls besides Joakim
with any acting prowess for timeout videoboard clips. I know that shouldn’t matter, but for this team it’s a contractual bargaining chip.
he does
isnt he a decent rebounder…or so says 2k
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Brown's hands are the size of animal crackers
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about anyone else,
but even when the Bulls win, they lose. Nothing really changes with this team, other than sometimes some of their shots fall and the quality opponent. I’m dying to see a change in the way the team plays the game, but it feels like it’s never going to come. Did Derrick play well? I guess, but he still went in and out of his assertive mode, committing several awful turnovers. 9 FGA? That’s far too few(I realize he was fouled on a few others, but as I’ve said several times, I want him jacking 20 shots per game). Same goes for most of the others. Same awful process, just slightly better results.
The only player I’m really happy with is Noah, Deng is a semi-close second.
Oh, and I can’t believe I almost went a whole post without saying Pargo sucks.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Rose is our best player,
and our best scorer. I want him averaging 17-20 shots per game.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I think 20 is a little extreme
but anything less than 12 really isn’t acceptable.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I'm not talking about outside shots,
just FGA attempts in general. A few more threes would help, but just more attempts in general.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
He has to get some guys involved which he did.Very well I might add.
And I dont want him to force up shots.
I'm not terribly interested in him getting the others involved.
I want him getting his scoring down. Once some good players come here his assists will pile up just fine. Plus, there’s nothing wrong with a scoring point guard.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Noah better play well against the Pistons.
They’re this years version of last years bulls. Every big man dominates them.
by BigBabyCollin on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
i thought Rose played better than you are giving him credit for
he had some bonehead turnovers, but we want our point guard scoring 19 pts on 9 shots. That means he is driving to the basket and getting fouled.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Deng didn't had a great game
He didn’t shoot well (5-15) and wasn’t that good on the defensive end either. I think it was one of the worst’s games of Luol that I’ve seen lately. But yeah, he’s been a surprise. I didn’t expect this kind of performance from him after what I saw in the pre-season
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
If he goes to the line, those do not count as FGA
He had 9 FTA. I assume one of those was an And-one play, so he had 8 other FTA. Unless we are talking about a being in the bonus situation, that is 4 more FGA. That means he took 13 shots, made 6, missed 3, and was fouled on four.
FYI, Jennings scored 17 points on 21 FGA with a 7 for 21 shooting night. I’ll take Rose’s 19 points on 9 FGA any day of the week!
For starters,
I covered that in my post, see the parenthesis. Two, what Jennings did has no bearing on my feelings about what Rose should be doing.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Well...
I missed the parenthesis, so that was my bad…but…
It’s about effeciency…I don’t want to see Rose “jacking” 20 shots per game if they are not there. If we were actually able to spread the floor effectively, I might be inclined to agree with you, but if Rose is going to take 20 shots per game, he is going to need more room to work with. Telling a guy to simply shoot more is not logical. He should take the shots that are there. 19 points on 9 FGA…that’s over 2 points per fga! That’s incredible effeciency and you want to knock him for not shooting enough? I realize that what Jennings did may not have any bearing on your feelings, but I am just pointing out that when you jack up shots that aren’t there, that is what can happen.
Do I want Rose taking 5 shots? No way! However, would I take a 20 point highly effecient game from Rose every night? You betcha. I would love to see the guy drop 60 just to shut up the Jennings supporters, but for right now, Rose is a point guard. His job is not just scoring, but getting our whole offense going. My only complaint was all the TO’s.
Rose can create better shot oppurtunities for himself
better than anyone else. I’m not suggesting shooting awful shots just to shoot them, I’m saying to work harder for his own shot, as any time he wants he can create enough space to get off a fairly uncontested shot. I want him to be selfish, not stupid.
I’ll say it again, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a score first point guard. Derrick doesn’t create many shots for others outside of pick and rolls and drive and kicks anyhow, so it’s not as if he’s a special passer like Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Agreed...
Although I would more argue that the Bulls should run less pick and rolls, especially with big men and I think Derrick would take more shots. The offense needs to be designed around him. If it was, I think he would naturally take more shots.
The fans booing Ben Gordon was unbelievable...
I will never think of fans at the UC the same after that.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
It took you this long to realize that we live in a dumb sports town.
Just turn on the radio now and again.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I don't live in Chicago anymore...
I haven’t for about 7 years now. I expected better.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh... I see.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Honestly now I hope BG becomes an all star in this league.
I’ll still be a Bulls fan for life, but just to spite those idiots that feel the need to boo the guy that WANTED to stay in Chicago.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well
He was playing that way for the first few weeks, then had like 2 bad games and got hurt….
We’ll see. BG’s still underrated in the league….he had an off game today though and it wasn’t all defense, he looked slowed a bit still
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Okay...
There are a handful of people who know exactly what happened in the negotiations to resign Ben Gordon. You are not one of them. Maybe Ben legitimately wanted to stay at all costs. Maybe he wanted out and only acted as if he wanted to stay to gain leverage in negotiations against the Pistons. Or, more likely, the truth lies somewhere in between. The point is, you and I simply cannot know for certain what BG’s intentions were.
What we do know is this: two offseasons ago, he rejected a contract extension that was reported to be worth $54 million over 6 years. In my opinion, that is more than fair considering the caliber of player he was. He certainly wouldn’t have been struggling to feed his family anytime soon (Sprewell reference!). Instead, he signed the qualifying offer, became a free agent, and signed with, of all teams, the rival Detroit Pistons. Now if that doesn’t make you at least a little jilted at Ben, you’re not a true Bulls fan.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 2, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I seriously doubted
that Ben Gordon really wanted to stay in chicago.He rejects an offer thats about 1 million apart from what he has now.If he really wanted to stay he would have taken that 1st offer but he didn’t.I like him great for us but hes a piston a hated rival so whatever.
by T.Moore on Dec 2, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He said he wanted to stay.
Which he clearly didn’t have to.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
What?
That makes zero sense.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK?
Why doesn’t it make sense? He took a gamble by not taking the Bulls offer he could have got hurt. He could have missed out on money. He needed to say he wanted to stay with the Bulls to maximize his showcasing. He would say you never know.
He said it AFTER he signed with the Pistons.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
He played the good soldier to a T.
He would say I wanted to be here my whole career and all that bullshit. He played poker. He said all the right things during the year and during the playoffs as to not rock the boat and blow his chance at showcasing himself.
by SoulEater7 on Dec 3, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Then why doesn't he bash the Bulls now?
If he was just hiding all this rage or whatever.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
what rage?
There are no feelings in business this was a business move. It has nothing to do with the Bulls. JR’s issue with BG was the same issues with MJ and Phil. Money.
BG was just doing what he felt he needed to do to maximize his wealth. There is no point to bash the Bulls.
It’s like having a job you like and then someone offers you more money and your boss is angry because your leaving and you want more money. Big deal.
by SoulEater7 on Dec 3, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
First off you really need to learn some Bulls history here...
Reinsdorf offered MJ a truckload of cash, FAR FAR more than he ever made playing basketball again and far more than any player had ever made playing basketball. It wasn’t about money with MJ.
Secondly I was responding to your assertion that BG was playing some kind of high stakes poker with the bulls AFTER he had already signed with the Pistons when he said he always wanted to play for them.
Fine, it’s about money, but don’t fool yourself into believing the Bulls were straight with him or you for that matter.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I know what happened..
Jerry wouldn’t pay Phil Jackson big money and Phil left. MJ wanted JR to pay Phil so Phil would coach them. When JR didn’t wanna pay Phil, Phil took off and the Dynasty left with them.
And so 10 years later here we are still waiting for Jerry to open his wallet.
Of course he paid MJ he had to. But he underpaid both Phil and Pippen.
He sent Pippen packing with a nice chunk of change to Houston.
by SoulEater7 on Dec 3, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
OK then, since we are replaying history...
I’m sure it had nothing to do with Krause and his over inflated ego thinking that he was just as responsible for the dynasty as everyone else. Which may be true, probably not, but who really cares… Except Krause.
Scottie signed a low ball Bulls contract with multiple years because people thought his bad back would catch up to him (which it did… Eventually). When he tried to force the Bulls to offer him a huge extension they didn’t bite. So, the Bulls then had the brilliant idea to trade him and get some decent younger talent that turned out to be a guy who averaged 4.8 pts for his career and a conditional second round draft choice (good job Krause, championships 7, 8, and 9 couldn’t have happened without you). What the hell did the Bulls care anyway, people would still come to the UC (and we did). Stellar business move that was! Rodman of course followed the money to LA and after that it was only a matter of time before all of the dominoes toppled when Phil and MJ opted to “retire”. In Phil Jackson’s case his retirement lasted all of one season and we all know how it worked out for our beloved MJ.
It should also be noted here that when MJ did come back he decided to donate his entire salary to the victims of 911 (while the franchise he had previously owned became about a gazillion dollars richer). I do believe also that after he retired a third time (from the Wizards) that he was promptly fired from his front office position in the Wizards organization only to state in public that if he had known he would be fired he never would have un-retired in the first place.
So where does this leave us now? MJ, Phil, Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Kucoc, barely a part of the organization (thankfully not in any hiring capacity, but unfortunately not in any other capacity either). Do you think that is a coincidence? Is it possible that maybe it’s because our team owner is a jerk? Fear not though, we still have Paxson… Our fearless leader!
Honestly, the more you think about it, it will be a miracle if anyone decent comes to play for our dysfunctional franchise next year.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
exactly.
This organization is a joke. It took me this long to realize it. JR doesn’t give a shit. When do you ever see his face around? The first game of the season and then he’s on a flight to AZ. Sell the fucking team.
but its all about the money for JR and his group
history has shown this…the “we paid MJ we paid wallace….we paid whats his puss” here and there does nothing to undermine the litany of evidence that shows this ownership group is frugal and bottom line oriented. And Ben Gordon was another tale to that end. This franchise has made more money in pro basketball since 1985 than other franchise. yet teams that lose money each year spend more to win.
And regardless...
I’m not sure how anything BG says has any bearing on the way he plays/showcases.
He has had many opportunities to bash the Bulls and as far as I know he’s taken the high road.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think
wallace bashed the pistons when he left their “dynasty”. he was one of the most loved guys on that team, and he took the money and left to a rival… they booed him when he came back with the bulls, which was much louder than the reception BG got here.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
Just becase he "said" that he wanted to stay.
Doesn’t mean that he really “wants” to stay.
by T.Moore on Dec 2, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So you assume it means the exact opposite?
Do you see how that might be confusing?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Players do this ALL the time.
If he wanted to stay he would have taken our 54 million instead of their 55 million.Thats not a difference at all.If he wanted to stay he would have taken our offer but he didnt.Thus I cant really believe that he wanted to stay here.
by T.Moore on Dec 3, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NEWS FLASH...
There was no 54 million to take.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Reinsdorf has stated in public...
The Bulls made a decision 2 years ago to part ways with BG.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
He stated in public at the end of last season...
They had made a decision the year before.
Hence 2 years/seasons.
Apples and oranges. The point being, he didn’t want BG.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
....
1. He attempted to take the Bulls offer
2. 6 years / $54 million is far less than 5 years / $55 million. He is making $2 million a year more and has a chance to make even more by entering free agency a year earlier under his Pistons contract
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 3, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I guess $11 million dollars is worth $0 now.
HOORAY!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
It's a good thing you're a mind-reader then.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Um... Wrong...
I like how you left out the part where BG tried to take the Bulls offer that had previously been on the table only to be told it had expired.
But sure, I guess you are right about ONE thing, NEITHER of us truly know everything that happened behind closed doors, but go ahead and toss your hat into Reinsdorf’s corner of awesomely respectful business practice. I mean he’s earned it by now right?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
He still rejected the offer in the first place.
And we only have Gordon’s word for it that the Bulls pulled the offer.
Look, I’m no fan of Reinsdorf, but if you think the story is simply that Ben Gordon wanted to stay, and that Reinsdorf said no, you’re living in a fantasy world. The NBA is a business, and both sides do what they have to. However, when players do leave a team to chase the almighty dollar, fans get a little upset and they have every right to.
The bottom line about this whole deal is that
the Bulls had a nice trio in Hinrich, Gordon and Deng and decided to give a big, fat extension to Hinrich, not Gordon. That’s the problem, in my book. Management screwed up, and need to be held accountable. Between the Wallace signing, the VDN hire, the Ben Gordon leaving for nothing debacle and the decision to keep Luol instead of Gasol we all have plenty to get on Gar Paxdorf about. I’m sure I’m forgetting some other stuff, feel free to remind me.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Dec 3, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me?
Gordon said they pulled the offer, the Bulls don’t deny this. Why would he make that up, and if he did don’t you think the Bulls would IMMEDIATELY refute it? Why can’t you accept that?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'm done with you...
Read it for yourself.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4204252
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
he also put it in a documentary! To try to sell it to ESPN? Go ahead and cheer him I won't.
He did exactly what people said he did he maximized his money.(made a business decision) It’s not about winning for him. It about $$$$$$$$$$$$$
yeah, and the Bulls are all about winning
the hypocrisy knows no bounds
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
I never said the Bulls were about winning.
But you don’t leave for a crappy Pistons team with a crappy future and try to tell me it’s about winning.
by SoulEater7 on Dec 2, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he doesn't have to win this season
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
well, i hate to break it to you
its about the money for most players. And there is no Santa Claus. And the tooth fairy is dead
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wtf?
thats what I’m saying… read what I wrote. All I was saying what BG wanted to be as wealthy as he could. I will not cheer that and I will not boo that!
Why are you trying to argue with me?
i thought you were pro-booing
my mistake
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 3, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
no i didn't give a shit.
if I was in the crowd i would have just sat there and not done a thing except for watch the stupid monkeys around me voice their displeasure or their love. Knowing that it’s just a waste of time because the whole thing was about to people making business moves.
It’s nothing more.
dude was great for us-especially rookie year and last year
but he is a piston now. They are rivals. This was a must win before the losses pile up. I was there and I booed him and giggled when they were down 6 and we doubled him and he dribbled out of bounds. and laughed out loud when salmons posted him…wallace doubled we kicked to Miller who found rose for an alley oop. Gordon has major flaws as a player…and the worst kinds…the kinds that dont exactlyshow up in boxscores…that are missed by even die hards that are not true students of the game…yet he also has the attributes that make him a huge fan favorite and spineless ownership groups will overpay for to keep happy butts in the seats on an above average team like Philly did with AI for many years.
yadda, yadda
Ben Gordon helped turned the Bulls around and made them watchable again after 4-5 years of putrid basketball. He got in a contract dispute with Bulls management. He doesn’t deserve to be booed. he was always a professional. His skills or deficiencies as a player aren’t really the issue.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 3, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Players turn down a team's first offer all the time...
If you only cheer for players who take the first offer then I would guess you might only be cheering for Lindsey Hunter. Even Gray tried to play hardball for a minute.
The difference was that when BG tried to turn the first offer (only to later try and accept it) the Bulls took the opportunity to walk away then later say they never had any intention of signing him in the first place (or some kind of nonsense about making a decision on BG 2 years earlier).
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
bulls have a crystal clear better future at this point.
but i am open to double checking vegas’ odds at bulls chances vs. pistons chances to win a ring over the next 5 years (length of Gordon’s contract)
It's always about the cash
When you’re really good and haven’t hit your peak…it should be about cash. Then when he’s in his early 30’s he can make it about winning more when he’s played through his prime and get the “good soldier” rep.
I think EVERYONE does this.
What we fail to realize when we compare the 6 yr $54M deal offer he had 2 years ago to his 5 year $55M with I believe incentives that could make it as high as $60M (some reports)….
Is that he received $6M+ from Chicago last year….so has the ability to earn somewhere from $7-12M more by getting that contract…..that’s fairly significant.
And more power to him, he was professional throughout and even yesterday was professional when probed to not be professional, saying that he sees them having trouble replacing him so far, that last year it was Derrick and He who took allt he shots and so far it seems it’s just Derrick.
But then he went on to say that John and Luol can do that for them and will soon….
Great pro.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
But he got
More than $55M for 5 years…or $62-63M+ or whatever if you add in the last year in Chicago salary on the 1 year QO..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Why wouldn't the fans boo Gordon?
Its not like he was traded and had no choice in leaving the team…he left for money, plain and simple. The Bulls tried for two consecutive offseasons to sign the guy, to lock him up long term, and he turned them down, twice.
We all understand it is a business, but emotionally, the fans invested in a guy for several years to see him walk away for more money.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
He's a Piston now
Of course he should be booed.
You can still like Gordon and even like him more off the court, but once the uniforms are on and it is gametime Ben Gordon is the enemy you want to defeat.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
well he gets his first entrance
then he can be booed, IMO. Plus it was weird that he was booed harder than any other Piston, including Wallace.
I’m going to keep cheering him, because honestly: screw the Bulls and Bulls fans. They stink.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
gonna change ure nick to
yfpb soon? ;)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
meh, they're still my guys
but they do stink.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Wallace is the guy who DESERVES that booing….Ben not so much, he played hard for us….
Wallace at least looked like the Bull version last night.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
"screw the Bulls and the Bulls fans"
You’re an ass. And screw you too. You think the Bulls are utter shit with no hope, with a retarded coach, players who can’t play (i.e. everyone except Rose and Noah), and that the owner is a stupid cheapskate interested in only making money. None of these are true.
You know what? Why the fuck don’t you just stop watching the team? If you think they’re so bad and don’t have any hope of ever getting better, why waste your time and energy? Why don’t you go be a fair-weather Laker fan? Every fucking day it’s the same shit – the Bulls are terrible, Hinrich/Gibson/Deng/Salmons can’t play a lick, Ben Gordon is the best player ever, Vinny never does anything right, Reinsdorf is unfit to own any franchise.
I criticize the team too, and there’s certainly cause for that, but if you really feel like the organization as a whole is THAT bad, why bother paying attention? I mean, look at other teams in the league that actually ARE in bad shape – Golden State, the Clippers, New Jersey, Memphis, New Orleans, New York, Charlotte, Indiana, Detroit (even with Gordon “1st ballot HOF’er” himself), Toronto, Minnesota, Philadelphia, and Washington – and it’s arguable or obvious that the Bulls as a team and as an organization are in better shape both now and for the future.
I’m glad all you negative assholes have no influence on the team or organization, because we’d have a shitty team way over the salary cap with no hope of being good or getting better. Certainly Gar Paxdorf and Vinny have made their share of mistakes (and Vinny more than his share), but collectively they’re better than average. Will it result in any championships with this core? Maybe, maybe not. But you can say that about every single team in the NBA, aside from the Lakers.
Re: Gordon getting boo’d. You know what? You act as if the reason he left is because of the Bulls. It’s not. It was Gordon’s greed. They Bulls made 2 generous offers considering his skill level as a basketball player (as opposed to just looking at his shooting), he turned them both down. He wanted to eek out as high a salary as he could, with zero regard to helping build a winner. BG plays for BG, not for anyone else. He’s not worth anything near $11/yr, and for as much as he said that “winning” is his first priority, there’s no way Detroit is anything but a borderline playoff team for the duration of his contract. And he knew that going in, but he wanted more money. So he left the Bulls for slightly more money (what’s $2/mil a year when you’re already making around $10mil a year?) and went to perhaps the Bulls’ biggest rival and you think the fans are stupid for booing him? Fuck you you narrow minded asshole.
No, fuck YOU!
I’m staying! I will watch this weeks games whether you like it or not! (Unless I’m too hungover!)
Attica! Attica!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps that's your problem
you’re not drinking enough to stay passed out longer. Or maybe too much. I dunno.
I hope that you don’t take it personally, as I’m attacking your posts. I obviously don’t know you. But if I wanted to feel miserable about my team, I’d hang out at Windy City Gridiron.
I don't :)
and I’m not telling you to feel miserable about your team. I’m telling you I feel miserable about my team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I do.
I have misguided hope in 2010 because I read too much Sam Smith.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
heh
Well I think I put my feelings out there regarding that a few posts ago: if they do land a big fish it’ll be due to some serendipity involving the player himself, not so much because of what the Bulls are doing to make it happen.
So can I argue with the process even if the result works out? why not?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
What can the Bulls do to "make it happen"
As bad as they’ve been offensively this year, right now they’re in the 7th spot. With all the home games this month, and how easy the schedule is toward the end, it’s reasonable to say that they have a chance at the 5th seed in the east. Without any of those elite FA’s. So the Bulls have opened up enough cap room to (hopefully) be able to sign a max FA, already have a competitive young team, and play in a huge market, I don’t know what is even in their control to make the Bulls more “attractive” to next summer’s FA’s.
That's the problem.
If Fish doesn’t opt out and they don’t trade Hinrich or Deng, they won’t have a enough room to sign a max FA. That just sucks.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
That is...
If Fish doesn’t opt out OR they don’t trade Hinrich or Deng…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
it's also reasonable to say they could be in 13th
they’ve played REALLY bad this year, and their margin suggests an even worse than than 7th seed in the cruddy east.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
(ok, not 13th)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
True that they have a chance to miss the playoffs
but I really think that this team – as is – is better offensively than they’ve shown. Rose is finally starting to get his groove back, Salmons’ shooting is picking up, and Tyrus & Hinrich (oh, he of so much scorn) are coming back in the next week or two. And we all know what Noah brings 9 out of 10 nights.
I think they’ve already bottomed out this year and will at least maintain a .500 or better record the rest of the year, based on the talent they have and the easing schedule.
I understand that
and as the guy who runs this blog, you’re effectively setting the tone. And I just don’t get why you should feel miserable about the Bulls. For good or for ill, they’re putting all their money on a big FA signing next year – and since I don’t “read too much Sam Smith” I actually don’t think they’re going to land LeBron, Wade or Bosh. Probably not Joe Johnson either. But it’s not as if the Bulls are alone in their position. It seems like 1/3 of the players in the NBA are going to become free agents next summer, and the cap is going to significantly decrease, so there are going to be a lot of teams that are going to find themselves in a really bad place the next few years. Even without any marquee FA’s, the Bulls still look to field a pretty competitive team.
see, why aren't you more miserable?
are you resigned to this fate? A vast majority of teams won’t win any titles anytime soon. I think the Bulls stink at even trying. This 2010 plan is something, but it’s really just a way to reduce future payroll first and foremost, and then hoping someone comes gift-wrapped. Being ‘pretty competitive’ is pretty underwhelming.
I’m not actually miserable as long as there’s a place (and people) to whine at.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm buying into the 2010 plan just like I bought into Gar saying for months
we’ll do everything we can to bring BG back.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
So your posts
have a cathartic purpose, then? Well, at least that’s something better than truly believing there’s no hope for a title in the next few years. And you’re right, a majority of teams have no real title hopes in the short or immediate term, but I’m not feeling miserable about the Bulls because I like most of the players in the rotation, and think they could be part of a contending team.
i think he IS saying there is very little hope in a title under the
paxdorfian team building strategy, but if he gets to complain about it loudly and freely, THAT makes him happy.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Complaining about a strategy
and trashing every aspect of the team aside from two players are not the same thing. I’m inclined to agree with him on the former, but think the latter is far too much of the posts to be reasonable.
I don't trash Deng either
or Brad Miller. Or, um, James Johnson, since I’m not sure he exists.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Ha!
Yeah, I guess I don’t remember you bashing Deng…. maybe his contract a bit, but not him as a player. One thing I definitely agree with many on is that James Johnson needs floor time, and it’s not as if he’s been terrible when he’s been in there. Rookie mistakes, yes, but he has a lot of potential. Surely more than Gibson (though Gibson is more polished right now, this is probably all he’s ever going to be).
I'm the Deng trasher.
I think I’m the only one but I just post so much it seems like a lot of people.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Heh.
Could be… could be.
Even with the season he’s having so far, do you still think his contract is an “albatross”?
umm it's not even his contract.
I don’t like him as a player. I think he’s that ‘character guy’ that JR likes. Sometimes you need a few assholes to win.
Just look at the list of Champions or Stars that won titles, they all had bad men issues.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Well, I can see that
Deng isn’t all that good without other players or an offensive scheme setting him up. Luckily we have good players to set him up. But I can see your point of view.
Did you notice he was gone last season? I didn't.
During that Boston series it wasn’t even mentioned how much better the Bulls would be had Deng not been injured. Or maybe I ignored it.
I know he’s putting up decent numbers but I don’t let that fool me. He not a winning player. His balls will shrink in the 4th. I would even question his basketball IQ at times. His shot selection at times drives me mad.
I want my 3 to be dirty, defensive, slashy, and able to make 3s. I think a three is just a tall version of a point guard two guard hybrid. I don’t see Deng as that.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
So your idea of a 3 is Scottie Pippen
In fact, I did notice he was gone toward the end of the year and in that series. And for all the times I heard the announcers/pundits say “if only the Celtics had a healthy Garnett” I thought that at least some of those times they should have brought up Deng.
I don’t think Deng’s going to be a multiple-time All-Star or anything, and at best he’s the 3rd best player on a title team (probably 4th), but I do like him and think he can significantly contribute to a winning team. He doesn’t do anything great, but he does do everything pretty well – except for creating his own shot and hitting 3’s.
Though it would help
If they were Pippen…..God we’d be awesome with a prime Pipp on this team..
Scottie Pippen=my favorite player ever, followed by Wade then MJ…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
If we had better players:
We’d be better.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Thanks because
Deng was pegged as always injured last year….and his value was low….
But if he played like he did for us in Jan last year and so far this year, we would have been much better….
It’s odd that it seems the only guy that gets a pass for being injured every other week is Michael Redd.
The dude never plays and yet the general NBA fan is out to make him a Joe Johnson clone or higher when he’s healthy, but he’s NEVER healthy, nor is he nearly that good.
He can be explosive, and has a tricky left hand, but not a good defender and not always consistent….
Not saying you guys say this but I see it all the freaking time, even last summer…..and it makes no sense.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Someone made the absurd comment...
…not sure who, an “expert” that if Deng and Garnett were both healthy, the Bulls could have won that series because Deng has done a good job shutting Deng down.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I wasn't a basher per se
But negative on Deng just because I was a BG fan and didn’t want both.
I always said Deng was decent, but disappeared too often in the 4th….well he’s playing better and worth the money I guess, but I’d still have rather had BG for $1-2M less per year…and 1 less year….
Oh well, it’s not like Deng’s terrible…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
ehhh
you sound like a ben gordon cry baby. you and doug thonus should get together and hold each other for long moments in the madhouse on the 300 level where you both will be welcome…dont come down to the ketel 1 club with that ben gordon cry baby shit. lol :-)
Why "hang out" here at all, though?
My guess is that yfBB is at least making some good change off of this blog. Not a lot, I’m sure, but enough to slog through the season for now, anyway. But if you don’t want to be sad, why hang out here? Why not start your own blog that’s all happy and cheery?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
meh, I get some change
but then I think of the opportunity cost of doing something more productive, or kissing a girl.
But shit, it’s been over 6 years, I don’t have to prove my fan cred.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Six years since you kissed a girl?
I don’t think you’re getting enough change then.
by Sports2 on Dec 3, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, but now I have men all over me.
blogs!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
you don't even have to start a blog
that’s a lot of work. Fanposts! as to why you are cheery. Heck if it’s coherent it’ll be a lot better than some of the other fanposts here.
Do I shout down people who are optimistic? I guess, but I consider it more shouting AT them, not down.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
(D2.0 excluded)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, what did I do?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Because this is the most active Bulls community
and when people talk about tactics, strategy and seriously analyze statistics this site often contains lots of great insight.
I concur. Which is why I'm here even though the Bulls...
….are almost “just another team” to me.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
dude...dont let the wanna be tough guy internet locals
bother you. enjoy this site all you want. get out of it what you want. cheer for the bulls and whichever players past or present however you want.
"the Bulls are utter shit with no hope, with a retarded coach, players who can’t play (i.e. everyone except Rose and Noah), and that the owner is a stupid cheapskate interested in only making money."
new sig?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Screw the Bulls ownership
and most Bulls fans. Most of the guys (and girls) on this site are alright.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Screw the Kurt Hinrch fans!
Just kidding you know I love you Iowa people! Totally joking don’t go ape shit on me! Just breath.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
are all the Pistons booed? When you boo someone, it usually means they have
done something. What did Gordon do?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 3, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
went toe to toe with ray allen
with all of chicago cheering him on as he kept on keeping us in games….
umm…how dare he???
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I wasn't at the game
1st i clapped and thanked him,then I remembered that he was with Detroit then i booed him.
by T.Moore on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You booed the TV?
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I did,I'm too broke to be there live.
I like BG7 as soon as he hit that 1st shot then afterwards i thought “ok, enough of that, hes the enemy.”
Seriously?
Sooo… I assume you booed MJ when he was with the Wizards?
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Right?
I mean MJ was good and all, but he’s no Ben Gordon.
by BigBabyCollin on Dec 2, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Beacuse that's exactly what I was doing there...
Saying MJ was just as good, if not better, than the greatest player of all time.
You know what, this only further proves my point about our fanbase.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
That should have read BG was just as good as MJ...
Which he was.
Right?
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Says the guy who boos his TV.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
You are right...
MJ left and played with another team out of desire to make the franchise he bought worth more money.
BG was forced out of town by a tightwad owner and an idiot fanbase too stupid to realize what was happening.
Honestly though, it’s a fool that boos either of them.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
* bought into.
Just to clarify.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's not their fault...
It’s a dangling modifier that shouldn’t be there.
What I mean to say is simply that the booing fans are too dumb to realize that BG is gone because of Reinsdorf. BG wanted to stay, so if they (the fans) wanted him to stay they need to boo Reinsdorf.
Honestly though, this whole argument is tiresome, I was just embarrassed to be a Chicago Bulls fan watching that crap tonight.
When I turned the game on I was hoping that at least he would get a solid introduction and maybe even start the game. I mean, I realize the Bulls are far to classess of an organization to play any kind of pre-game tribute video or whatever, but I at least thought the fans understood what happened.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
It was mixed reactions..
From what i heard on the TV of course.There were as much cheering as there was booing.But after awhile then there were a bit more booing.It wasn’t that bad.
BG is gone because of BG
He did have offers in 2 separate years and turned them down. He set his demands at a higher price than the Bulls were willing to play. Nobody forced him out of town. The reason Ben is not here is every bit as much his fault as the Bulls organization. “The bulls could have raised their offer” is no more right than “Ben could have lowered his demands”.
Fans that want to boo people on other teams are not stupid. Why cheer for anybody on an organization that’s probably your biggest rival? A perfectly rational and reasonable fan could decide that BG put money over loyalty to the Bulls and signed with the enemy, and then decide he’s worth booing.
It’s silly to think there’s only one right side you can choose to pick or one emotion to have.
by runningman on Dec 3, 2009 3:11 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Thats what I've been saying.Someone who gets it.
I like BG but he is with the PISTONS! Our HATED enemy. If he is with someone else then its ok. But with DETROIT?! BG did not get ran out of town. He made his choice to go to our rival. Like i said I douted that BG wanted to REALLY stay with the Bulls. Otherwise he would have STILL be here. Most players put money over loyalty to their former team. Why should i cheer for BG when he is with our BIGGEST RIVAL?
Why do you still care about the Bulls?
They won’t pay their players enough money for them to stay in Chicago!
Meh.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
they paid Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrch.
But they want a Superstar. They had to pick between that and BG.
We're not going to get a superstar.
We don’t even have max contract money after this offseason with the projected cap. …
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
then they need to deal Hinrich or Deng which is what I've been bitching about for 3 years.
I know it’s a wet dream but someone took Ben Wallace.. of course the economy kinda kills everything. Even if they don’t get a 2010 they should deal those ‘’character guys’’ or as I call them loaf dumpers.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Right, no one is untradeable.
Even i they only get a $5-$7 million expiring contract and a multi-year $4-$6, they’re at least ensuring against Salmons not opting out. And if he does, then they go right back out and get another $9 million player.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Not gonna happen
yay bulls!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Agreed
Weird how hatred for the org has somehow morphed into misplaced BG love.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 3, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
you're right
Gordon didn’t trash the Bulls on his way out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If anyone boos MJ
They deserve to get their ass beat.Ten times
As for BG hes with detroit so whatever.And as for Ben Wallace hes not even worth it.
But MJ went to Washington...?
so it’s ok to boo BG but not to boo MJ when he came back with the Wizards? I don’t understand…
I wouldn’t boo either of them personally.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Jordan went to Washington
as a part-owner and then decided to play. He didn’t leave for money, and besides he won 6 titles. It wasn’t that Gordon left, but how he left and where he went that make people want to boo him.
Had I been at the game I would have cheered him, because you can’t single Gordon out for being greedy when all/most professional athletes do the same thing all the time.
I see your point
but I don’t think that BG’s greedy. I don’t blame him for going where the money is. I work at Keller Graduate School but if some other school offered me more money to do the same job I would absolutely jump ship. Yes, right now I care about how well my school is doing financially and otherwise but my loyalties would quickly change if someone else told me I was worth more than what Keller’s paying me.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't "blame" Gordon
I’m just saying that he left because of greed, not to win. I don’t blame him because that’s a reality in pro sports, and it’s a “business” as the players love to say.
Do you really think the Bulls are in a better position to win...
….than the Pistons? I guess they might consistently win 3 or 4 more games per year, but if they don’t get a max FA this off-season, they’re really no better.
Derrick Rose vs. Will Bynum (win)
Hamilton vs. Hinrich (push)
Luol Deng (win) vs. Tayshaun Prince
James Johnson vs. Jason Maxiell (win)
Taj Gibson vs. Austin Daye (push)
Noah (win) vs. Charlie V
The Bulls are better and have more potential, but I’m not sure they’re THAT much better if they don’t have Gordon and Thomas. They’re certainly not “championship-caliber”.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Yes, I do
It’s not just comparing guys and adding up a “score” of who’s better. Rose will be significantly better than anyone on the Pistons. The Bulls can play defense, which I don’t see the Pistons being able to do for a while. The Bulls’ players have more skill, and for the most part they’re younger (which means that some of them should keep improving).
Also, the Pistons probably won’t have Rip Hamilton next year. They were shopping him around before he got hurt, because they have a redundancy at SG (Hamilton and Gordon) and Hamilton’s contract is taking up significant cap space for a couple years yet. Dumars is looking at a Stuckey/Gordon backcourt for the next couple of years.
If they trade Hamilton, then they'll have room...
….to make big improvements.
Rose still has the potential, but he might not necessarily fill it. He probably will fulfill a lot of it, but that doesn’t mean he will. If he doesn’t, then they aren’t that great.
I’m just saying that if Gordon looked at the Bulls and thought that Rose was going to be really, really good, but not great, AND he was being told that if he re-signs, they won’t be able to sign a superduperstar next year (that’s what the Bulls have been telling everyone), maybe he looked at the Pistons and thought they had as much potential as the Bulls.
I agree with you, he’s wrong. But I could see why he might think that. FURTHER, that he might just dislike Reinsdorf and figures if the futures of both teams are roughly equal, why not go to the guy who shows you that he wants you? Maybe Gordon is just a bad talent evaluator.
But I don’t believe any of that. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.
PLUS, maybe he believed Paxson that they were going to try to re-sign him this off-season. Because maybe Paxson himself believed it and Reinsdorf was the only one who knew he wasn’t bringing back Gordon.
All this gets us further from the truth, though. Gordon isn’t about the money. He wanted to stay with the Bulls. That is a an absolute irrefutable fact.
So here’s what we know as facts:
-Gordon negotiated with the Bulls – i.e. they offered a contract, he didn’t readily accept as his value, he made a counter-offer. All perfectly legitimate business tactics. Furthermore, he explores other teams.-had the Bulls relented, he would have been signed.
—The Bulls play hardball, give him a completely arbitrary deadline.
—Gordon calls their bluff and loses. They really will stick with this deadline.
—Gordon realizes his worth and wants to come back and take the offer. He doesn’t want to be greedy anymore and wait another year. He’s ready to sign. The Bulls say, “Nope!” WE KNOW THIS AS FACT. Gordon tried to take what the Bulls offered, granted, it was past the “deadline”, but he tried
—This past summer the Bulls didn’t even offer him a contract.
So what we know as fact, but I’d like you to bring counter-evidence if you have it, is that Gordon wanted to stay with the Bulls long-term while maximizing his money. He played hardball with a business man (more interested in winning deals than winning games—okay, that’s not fact) and lost. He never wanted to go to true free agency, but the Bulls decided that’s what they wanted to do. Yes, Gordon turned down contracts, but that’s business. It’s negotiating. Had the Bulls allowed him, he’d be signed right now with the Bulls for less money than what he’s being paid now. So, in fact, it’s not about greed with Gordon. If you can counter that point. I’d love to see it.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
MJ is the GOAT.And didn't go to a rival of the Bulls.
BG went with detroit. A rival of ours historically.And there are about 30 players better than him overall.But he is one of the most clutch though.
Just because BG isn't the best player in the league doesn't mean
he’s an asshole for taking more money somewhere else. If the Bulls had actually offered him a contract this offseason then I would understand. And if said contract had been in the neighborhood of what the Pistons offered I would really understand.
But neither of those things happened. Should we have expected him to sign for the MLE?
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
But the offered generous contracts
the two prior offseasons. Sure, he’s making more money now than either of those contracts would have paid, but not by a whole lot. /Especially/ if his highest priority is winning as he’s said a number of time.
The Bulls aren't in that great of position to win over the next few years.
And maybe Gordon didn’t think the Bulls were going to really try to put the best product on the floor, and he really thought Detroit would. Maybe he miscalculated but his intentions were still there. I’m pretty sure you don’t know how he thought through the situation. His contract offers obviously weren’t “generous”; they were, by definition, “below market value”.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
"below market value"
Technically, this is true, since the Pistons paid more. But nobody else (including the Bulls, unfortunately) even made an offer – or were rumored to be interested at that price tag. Dumars bid against himself, essentially.
I don't know though
He was signed on day 1. Bulls in previous years said they’d match any offer, or force anothe rteam to drastically over pay for Gordon because the $10M-9M price tags were out there…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I never said that he was an asshole.
I comend him for not bitching and moaning about the contract like other players would do.
yup
BG handled this situation as professionally as any player i have ever seen. he is very professional. And extremely good at scoring…and can be as clutch and as hot as any player the league has ever seen. But he had major holes in his game both offensively and defensively. he would have been the 2nd best 6th man in the league had he accepted the role and the contract.
I also think a thabo-Gordon backourt would have worked and trading Hinrich would have been the best thing to do a couple years ago.
but alas none of those things happened.
Except God wouldn't remember it 20 years later and smite you.
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
my mom
sure will be thrilled to hear cuppy won. lol.
i’m not even kidding. she trades cards to make sure she gets cuppy. and she doesn’t even drink coffee.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I do the same thing, actually
though I do drink the coffee.
And it doesn’t matter if he wins, they take the cards regardless :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's what always cracks me up about the big macs
if you just take your ticket to McDonalds nobody knows whether the bulls scored 100.
Although this year they might since the bulls never score 100.
Its fixed
Because coffee’s the least expensive, it wins about 80% of the time. Either that or Cuppy’s juicing.
by El Toro de Goro on Dec 3, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
I hope the Bulls are realizing the effect of Tyrus Thomas.
Not only does he make them better he makes the game fun to watch. A man can only take so much of this sorry ass team.
If we lose him (and we will no doubt)...
They better throw a mountain of cash and other worldly incentives at Bosh in FA.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see Bosh coming here.
He’s going to Miami. The Bulls can bring Tyrus back. They should. They have to find away to unload Kirk.
I think we all know that Reinsdorf will never pay Tyrus what Tyrus probably thinks he'll be worth...
No way. Ever.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
yup, I really can't see it either
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
At this point I just hope we don't lose him for nothing.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 2, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
I hope that it'll be because we got a max FA
but who knows, maybe a team who strikes out in free agency gives Tyrus an offer the Bulls won’t match in the name of flexibility. Besides, they already (apparently) have Neil Funk telling people that Taj is the best defender on the team…the wheels are in motion.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't really say that did he (Neil)?
God, I used to like Funk when in the 7-8 times I’d listen to a quarter or half, rarely a whole game in the car per year (back in the pre DVR days when I drove out to my now wife’s place)….and he had a good voice for radio.
But hearing him every day, ugh, he can’t see? That doesn’t translate from the radio….and well I will say he is better than Dore by a mile…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
he did
he said that he thought he was not only the best man defender, but also the best help defender.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
By Jan
He’ll be our best player in Funk’s eyes.
Seriously Funk lays the Bulls brainwashing on thick, he really can’t be that inept.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I dont know much about Dore,
but he did have a pretty good announcer’s voice, while Neil sounds like a dying rat.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
yeah he was terrible
I hated his homerism and just general aw-shucks dopiness.
But while I like Funk’s angry d1ckishness overall, it’s no fun when he’s so inaccurate with everything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
i went to leyden high school
it was a bad omen for our basketball team to know that the best player to come from our school was Tom Dor(k)e
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Yeah Dore turned into a tool that kissed Red Kerr's ass.
When Red died he just got worse. But you said it better.
I used to not mind Neil but he’s just aged. Half the time he’s just trying to figure out what’s going on. He gets lost and it drives me nuts, it’s a hard listen. He’s also not a TV guy.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
Dore already lost the job before Red died.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
thats right.
Some would say red was already gone though.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
I hope they switch Wennington and King next season.
Hell, might as well let Paxson take over since he doesn’t actually do anything anymore.
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
no, switch Neil and the Swirsk
Swirsky is a bit weasely, but he’s still a viable professional broadcaster. Neil is Dick Stockton without the status.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha
I wouldn’t mind Both Chuck and Bill on TV. Swirsky is a weasel so true. He’s also a kiss ass.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
oh I also forgot he's a little bitch!
That was just for fun!
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
or for misogyny!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
"Double Overtime! Triple Overtime!"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Swirsk sounds like
Will Ferrell’s impression of Harry Carrey.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
A bad impression at that.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Exactly
I like that yuo used the “aw shucks” mentality, as I’ve always used that term for people like Dore (and IL’s coach Webber) to name a few in bball.
I hated Dore though…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I still can't believe he said that
best “on-ball AND off-ball defender on the Bulls”?!?!? Really Neil?!
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
of all the ridiculous things he's said
i really think that was the worst. i didn’t know whether to laugh or cry that someone actually thought this.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That's why I loved yfBB's caption on that picture (in this column)
Neil is obviously blind.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Because he's a fucking bad coach.
he won’t be here next season. They needed someone to pretend coach for a few seasons.
was totally following all th eBG logic
but tyrus? he certainly may be better than taj…but he is not the answer…and he should be gone to bid on free agents. BG had less holes in his game than Tyrus does. cant consistently win against the better teams with all the flaws.
Um...Tyrus has had no effect...
For the better part of the three weeks now.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
the idea is his absence makes you realize his importance to this team. and his importance to
entertainment.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
At the game tonight and noticed something you don't really see on TV...
Why the hell is VDN always standing like 3 feet on the court yelling while the Bulls are on offense on the opp side of the floor but anytime there is a blatantly bad call he sits there silent with his head down??
I've stopped trying to figure out what goes on in Vinny's head
a long time ago. I suggest you do the same. We’re likely to discover the origin of G-d before understanding the ins and outs of Vinny’s reasoning.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I think I understand him pretty good...
I understand he’s a horrible coach. Had a whole group of confused fans up in the 200 level wondering why I was yelling FIRE VINNY every chance I got…
by MilkThenClear on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
lol.
Why were they confused? Do they actually think Vinny can coach? Sadly, some do. Some guy called up the post-game show saying a)the Bulls have the pieces to go far in the playoffs(I’m lucky I wasn’t eating) and b)Vinny’s done an excellent job.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
They probably think Skiles is still the coach.
by CrashDavis on Dec 3, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
rec’d.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
he's yelling "Run"
“make good basketball plays!”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
He appeared pretty vocal
on the John Salmons three seconds call for having one foot in the lane and one foot out.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
ahhhh KC with more fine investigative reporting.
Miller assisted on both Rose dunks, part of his 16-point, seven-rebound and six-assist night. Given how small the Bulls’ rotation has become thanks to injuries and Del Negro not playing rookie James Johnson, bench production is critical.
A good reporter would find out why he’s not playing but I guess he just fits right in the everything crap that is Chicago sports scene right now. Fuck this!
They probably get sick of the same answers
“I want to get him out there, but, you know, ‘matchups’…”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Vinny can’t say, JJ sucks and is a bust less than 20 games in….
He’d probably say JJ’s not quite ready but is progressing in practice if “matchups” wasn’t the tag.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
Lol.
Vinny’s conferences are priceless, and the best thing about it is you can make one at home:
You take: “Tempo, Attacking, Turnovers and Aggresiveness,” sprinkle in an occasional “Kurt” and you have your very own Vinny Del Negro press conference. Easy as pie.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I like BG but..
Hes not with the team anymore.Im moving on.Hes a good shooter.But hes not like the 2nd coming of MJ.
was this the most efficient scoring night of roses career (minus the TOs)?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i just think
the east is more evenly matched across the lower tier teams.
last season, other than the top 3 teams and washington, the range of wins was 32-47. in the west, 9 teams were good (lowest was phoenix with 46 which would have placed them 5th in the east), but the other 6 were terrible, they all would have been in last place in the east.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah
It’s shocking so far that the East seems worse than last year….
I mean I anticipated Cleveland wouldn’t be the 70 win behemouth that was in the preseason cards, and that injuries might slow Boston to a 60 win pace (I had Orlando at 62, Cleveland at 52) andt hen a bunch of teams in the low to mid 40’s, and only Milwaukee and Jersey as bottom dwellers (I had Jersey last, but Milwaukee thanks mostly to Jenning’s has been a shocker so far—Bogut too at times, but Jennings is the man)…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
It seems about the same to me.
Top 3 are still elite, Atlanta and Miami are solid teams that will get blown out in the 2nd round. The Wizards and Bulls could be better as the season progresses, Sixers and Pistons seem a step below them but could also crack that 40 win mark.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I have watched a couple of Atlanta games this season...
And they might be one of the top 3 teams in the East when it is all said and done…they have good depth, and their players are playing well together.
I don’t think Philly or Detroit will make the playoffs, but the Bucks and Bobcats will….
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and LLE will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
That's why the Bucks are 1-5 in those games.
Then again, the Bucks are above .500.
Pretty good measure that you’re playing good when your team’s record varies so wildly with your good and bad games, and you’re a rookie.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
bogut being out
might also have something to do with it. :P
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Its hard to imagine there is a NBA coach worse than Del Negro
so congratulations to Dumars, because he found 2. The Pistons are currently bringing their 3 most productive offensive players outside of Rip Hamilton off the bench (Will Bynum 17.8 PER, Ben Gordon 18.2 PER, and Charlie V 18.2 – didn’t play tonight). In their place Kuestar started Stuckey 14.7 PER, Maxiell 11.8 PERand Atkins -3.8 PER. (Yes, Atkins has a negative PER so far this season).
Not surprisingly, the Bulls outscored the Pistons by a combined 21 pts in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Thank you Kuester, for artificially limiting the amount of minutes your best players can play.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 AM CST reply actions
Gordon and Villenueva were starting before they were injured.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Rose should not be running
pick and rolls. 1) He’s not good at it. 2) It brings another defender on him 3) makes him pass the ball. They should run iso’s on the wings with the 4 other guys as far away as possible.
You're right that they'll
just trap Rose every time. However, if he runs a pick and roll with someone who knows how to dive to the basket or can hit a midrange jumper, Rose will find him. I would definitely like to see more pick and rolls with Deng.
Running iso’s with Derrick would just have the other guys cheating off their men to help on him. He’d still end up passing the ball, and the Bulls still wouldn’t get a good shot. The only guy who will hit that 3 is Salmons, but he’ll wait for the defense to catch up anyway.
The main problem isn’t the offensive sets, it’s the lack of offensive skill.
As for the game
it was by far the most boring game of the season. I knew the Bulls weren’t going to lose and apparently so did Detroit. Both teams just seemed to coast through the game most of the time. I usually like watching sure wins, but the problem is when it’s happening because the other team is so inept as opposed to my team being so good.
for the most part having hinrich out is bad, but i do like how it forces vinny
to give the ball to derrick at the end of quarters. too often vinny has inexplicably made hinrich go 1 on 5 for the last play of the quarter.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
The games was bad, it seemed that it wasn’t going to end, but I that we can take a good conclusion to take
Rose is back on track. Of course he didn’t shoot as many shots as I would wanted, but he was efficient and got to the line 9 times – scored 7 -, which is good. He also had those highlights dunks. So, I liked and I saw and I expect to see him have more of these games, minus the TO, of course…
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The Bulls spent several years starting Chris Duhon over Gordon
Can you really blame him for leaving? I’d be pissed off too after an insult like that.
It sure is nice to play against Gordon now
I finally get to be happy with the bad turnovers, the horrible routes to the rim that get blocked, and the falling. My gawd the falling. 5 on 4 breaks with Rose controlling the ball!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
It'll be nicer when they play against Hinrich, Salmons, Gibson, Hunter, Pargo, Gray, Johnson.
Maybe then the Bulls can have a team that plays actual professional basketball instead of the wretched shit they attempt to pull off now.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would throw in Deng with that group but I don't wanna piss off the masses of brain washed Bulls fans.
The Kirk Hinrich lovers will be mad enough.
Hail hinrich
!!!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Jason Goff
This wasn’t a Ben Wallace type who stole money from a star hungry franchise. This wasn’t Luol Deng who conveniently caught laryngitis when the "young core" turned into a seven man nucleus who couldn’t take the next step. This wasn’t Kirk Hinrich who struggled with "confidence" after he got his 55 million dollar payday.
…In a city that gave a standing ovation to Mark DeRosa and still pines for the days of Justin Gage and Bernard Berrian, I guess the love had ran out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions
I find myself agreeing with Goff far more often than not.
I love when he rags on Vinny like he, Dan and Terry did yesterday. Dan said “Every day that Derrick spends under Vinny Del Negro is a wasted day of development.”
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
it looks worse every day
I completely underrated how potentially damaging this VDN hire is. They had this supposedly precious asset in Rose, and have chosen to not give him the best chance to succeed at all.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
His hiring never made sense
except for being another display of JR going on the cheap. Why would any team bring in a guy who has never coached at any level to develop their star 19 year old rookie point guard? I would add to what Dan said and throw in Tyrus Thomas and, from what we’re seeing now, James Johnson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
see my point?
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by SoulEater7 on Dec 3, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Lord, he criticized Saint DeRosa!!!!!
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Chicks dig DeRosa
The other Cub fans really miss him like Bears fans miss Mushin Muhammed.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Really?
I heard he was coming on, so I turned off the radio.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Dec 3, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
KC was a
big BG supporter last season. He wanted BG to stay with the Bulls.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
He also mentioned on CTL when he flew to do the interview at the Pistons facility they hugged him?
Maybe it was big ben but little Ben showed him some love as well. He mentioned it a few times. I guess he made some friends.
the media liked BG
because he was a pro to them and didn’t run out of the locker room after tough losses like ‘the captain’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
hinrich avoids the media all the time
no matter the situation, the dude ducks the starting lineup for the love of mike….it wouldnt matter if the media caught him anyway, he already has mastered pax-speak…im telling u hes gonna be the coach/gm of this team one day…organization guy is written all over him…even if he gets traded..hell be back….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
he does like BG
but he’s also all-too-eager to pump the company line about why it was good he left.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Classless huh?
So its ok for the piston fans for boo BW who is a 2x defensive player of the year and help win Chips and was an elite team for a while.
But its not ok for a 6th man of the year who helped us get away from being just boring team and didn’t help us win anything and us only getting past Miami and get beat in the 2nd round afterwards to get booed?Plus he is a Piston,a hated rival thus giving a reason to be booed.
The Pistons are not our hated rivals.
I’ve seen that around here a lot. This isn’t the eighties. They’re a divisional foe, no more no less. No bad blood between the teams.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
"pistons are not our hated rivals"
I guess not since the NBA basically destroyed every chance of a rival happening.
You were ok until you got to.
wizards/cavs
And those rivalies just didnt have that feel to it.Like they hate each other.
i think you need to go to the wizards blog and ask about the cavs. and those
teams do hate each other, you just dont feel it because you are not a fan of any of those teams.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Well then again
They do play physically against each other.But the Suns seem soft,and I never really thought of the jazz/rockets
you think steve nash playing with an exploded nose is soft?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i think the wiz
fans hate the cavs more than the cavs fans care about the wiz.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
probably. and if you subscribe to bill simmons' vocabulary then the rivalries
i mentioned are not rivalries, theyre feuds. but if thats the case then the bulls/pistons rivalry wasnt much of a rivalry however satisfying the sweep in 91 might have been: the record was still 3-1 detroit for playoff series.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Did they boo Wallace? I don't remember that.
I also don’t remember Johnson weighing in and giving an opinion on that matter. Maybe he thought they were classless, too? You must remember something different otherwise you wouldn’t make such an assertion, I presume.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
i don't think so
but it’s a little different, since wallace hasn’t been in a bulls uniform in over a year. i think he got booed when sent to cleveland since we had ALL FOUR games against them after the trade deadline.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
my fault. i meant, "Did the Pistons boo Wallace?"
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
they all underperformed whilst here, I sort of get it
though I would’ve cheered Tyson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
true
i dont know i think for me it wouldve been different if it was any other team but detroit..
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
For there to be a real rivalry BOTH teams need to be good and the games need to mean something IMO.
That has happened with Detroit since the days of Isiah.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I was excited as hell!
I thought finally we got an All-star! Plus we had the Knicks pick. I was pretty excited.
I thought he was good.
But not that good since he was aging.I liked Chandler then I was thinking that we should have kept Chandler.I wonder what it would be like if he and Noah would be on the same frontcourt?
I liked chandler as well..
That was a different time people thought the Bulls could win a title with that group and I bought into it. Noah, Tyrus and Chandler? Defensively thats a block party. Maybe a veteran scoring PF would have complemented them? of course people are going to say they were the same players or whatever but it’s a fun thought.
ha ha
Offensive hell. But if i knew what Ben Wallace hell was going to be like I would embraced it. At least Chandler could make some free throws.
i meant did the pistons boo wallace
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Detroit booed Ben Wallace big time!
I remember them booing him at the free throw line and laughing when he’d brick the shot.
thats KC's opinion.
I personally don’t care what the fans did. I heard both boos and cheers on TV. Plus Bulls nation is larger than what was seating in the UC last night. Fans will have many years to boo or cheer BG.
I wouldn’t be shocked if some day they meet in the playoffs down the road.
maybe if they go through with that 'lottery playoffs' idea.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
It is somewhat sad to see someone who gave his all to the Bulls
booed but then again it shows you the fickle nature of sports.
It wasn't that bad.There was mixed feelings from what I saw on TV.
Now what piston fans did to Ben Wallace like SoulEater7 said.THAT was booing.
Or how uninformed Bulls are...
Honestly I used to tell people in NYC that Bulls fans know a lot more about the NBA than Knicks fans. No longer. Just as blind.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
* Bulls fans.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 3, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
There was a time when that was probably true.
Bernstien use to say Bulls fans were the most informed. I think he’s changed his stance.
Props to Deng and Noah
“Honestly, I didn’t like that at all,” Deng said in a rare stepping-out comment. "When ‘BG’ was here, he played hard and really committed to the game. I know he’s not here. But he didn’t do anything bad to the organization.
“I think he deserves all the respect in the world,” Noah said. “He’s one of the best scorers that ever wore the jersey. We wouldn’t have been in the position we were in last year if it wasn’t for that guy hitting big shot after big shot.”
by MrBungle on Dec 3, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Word.
Squeeze me macaroni.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Patton rules
going to the Faith No More U.S. tour next year? Quick, before yfBB notices we’re talking about music…
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 3, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ben's picture above is like
Kuester: you just shoot ok just shoot.
Ben: (at least Vinny has hair)
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