Open Game Thread #25: Bulls vs. Atlanta Hawks
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2009 7:00 PM CST
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Sorry - I'm a LP person
I’m not even sure where all the links come from to suggest where to look.
Just waiting on some offense....
I normally have free pirated cable, but I'm traveling in Florida to monitor my money, so I need a link, please!
I’m lying, about monitoring the money, but I need a link.
Tied up nice
for those without a game to watchm use yahoo’s game channel. its a box score but by far my favorite.
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Miller has a productive night once every 5 games.
Otherwise he is completely worthless. he brings absolutely nothing sometimes.
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They subbed kirk for him now
trying to stop JJ from pouring the points on.
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I like that
Salmons is the first starter off the floor. That is definitely a good thing, VDN.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I dont mind Brad and Salmons coming off together
Sometimes brad doesnt do much out there and we get exploited because of him.
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so we should put him on the 6'9'' Marvin Williams?
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Luol Deng...
does
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Taj Gibson
just shot the ugliest 5 footer I’ve ever seen. In my entire life. He basically chest passed it off the backboard…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
You can tell the Bulls are going to go after Joe Johnson
because Funk is selling him hard on the broadcast.
the only people
who are LESS qualified to make personnel decisions than Neil Funk are, in fact, the people who actually make personnel decisions.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Damn
our team sucks.
Im not gonna lie, it suprises me everytime as well.
/no sarcasm
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well
when the offensive game plan is to ‘ATTACK!’, there’s not much the players can do.
Everytime the Bulls bring it up the floor and Salmons/Deng just jack up 20 footers, ignoring Rose standing next to them, I die inside.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
"8 point...Bulls lead"
Neil Funk is a horrenoud announcer…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I have the privilege of not listening to him tonight
At least the Atlanta announcers harping on the other team’s problems have reason
Just waiting on some offense....
*horrendous
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
JJ looks like he can make moves
then he does his “moves” and my mind changes.
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Is the feed slow?
I keep reading comments that seem to go with things that already happened for me. It’s kind of odd.
Just waiting on some offense....
a lot
of standing around on offense. usually concluded with an airball or a block.
Does Luol just dribble the ball too high?
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Rose
his 3 bounces inside the rim, id like him to shoot those in rythm, more then most of our 3 shooters.
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Yeah...
was impressed by his stroke right there. Not too shabby.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Each shot has looked nice and smoothe tonight
except the one where he ran right to the top of the lane and was out of rythm
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At least the Bulls are using this
as their 5rth quarter lineup
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
he isnt making baby steps
his stats have gone down in nearly every category this year.
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i'm
going to go out on a limb and say that if deng didn’t have to dribble the ball – ever, he’d be a better player.
holy shit dude can fly
more of that please.
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Johnson has 20 already
But we’re not getting blown out
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions
I don't know, we're actually winning a lot of categories right now
As always, I suppose whether you think we’re “lucky” comes down to whether you just think Atlanta started missing some shots, or the Bulls defense had something to do with it. I thought they did well that quarter after a pretty lousy start.
Just waiting on some offense....
Loul Deng
once again, Saying
“Darn the haters, im a nice guy with some skills”
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Off subject, I heard a Eminem song of his called "Insane"
It was the worst song I ever heard in my life, has anybody heard it?
I don't think anyone's really playing badly
(That being in comparison to their average level of play)
Just waiting on some offense....
Bulls Basketball... it's all relative
I think I found the bulls new ad campaign\
by MilkThenClear on Dec 19, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
btw someone asked the other day what rose's new shoes were
Adidas TS Supernatural Creator via NiceKicks
IMO
PG’s should get assists when they make such a good pass that they force the other team to foul.
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LMAO
Salmons makes a three, camera pans to JJ and Gray high fiving each other. lawdy
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It's nice to see. Very in control, still pretty aggressive.
I was surprised at the form on his three pointer – solid, no hitches, shot it with confidence.
What’s killing us is Miller. You can’t fault him, either – he’s just slow, old, and done. No fault of his. We need T2 badly.
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Not a coincedence
that he’s having his best game when Salomns is taking some of the pressure off by hitting shots and playing well
good point
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
good point man
nice to see some smart comments tonight.
Not the usual crap spam :D
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Thanks
I think as long as Rose has a 2-guard that can keep the floor spread, he can be the dynamic player we want him to be. If not he’ll struggle
Yea
i want wade, etc.
but i want the ball to move through rose still, just need someone who can space the floor so he break some new ankles.
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Yeah I think Joe Johnson
might be the better fit but im not prepared to argue him over Wade yet. lol
Sure we will debate it
but it all be for nothing im sure.
Cant see some of these big pieces moving, but i sure hope im wrong.
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@KCJHoop Tyrus has been cleared for contact.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
So today?
Maybe Vinny will go ahead and get him out there a few minutes early on.
Just waiting on some offense....
The reports for yesterday's practice said Ty only participated in the non-contact part
So I’m guessing the cleared for contact is a new thing. But Vinny has talked about Ty needing to get back in basketball shape and learn a couple things they’ve put in since he went out, so I don’t know that cleared for contact means he’ll be available Monday – just it would be nice if Vinny started getting him in right away as long as his arm is feeling comfortable and all.
Just waiting on some offense....
looked like he said something like
“that’s bullshit!” with maybe a few other words thrown in there. ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Rose is soooooo smooth
tonight, shot is looking the best its looked all year.
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And then we've got awkward looking Lu to balance it out
Even when he hits on those drives, it looks anything but smooth.
Just waiting on some offense....
Ewww
a deng
“i need to get mine”
I still like him, and like him on my team, but eww sometimes.
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Just so you know wjb, i wanna reply to your comments but t wont let me.
Just sends me to the top of the page.
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I actually liked the move to put Luol on him.
Wish we’d done it sooner.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Joe Johnson is goooooood.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Souleater7
you are ruining these good comment sprees for me.
Deng is constantly 18/8 and with a good pg%, font think he deserves the “dung” title.
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It's just that instead of being specific about what you don't like, it's always the generic "they suck" comment
And it’s like you’ve got them perpetually paired together. No matter what either does, you just keep pulling out the “dung and kert” comments
Just waiting on some offense....
The point was you aren't specific to a play, and don't bother to counterbalance it with all the good plays
Just waiting on some offense....
Even though he only has three assists,
Derrick’s vision has been nice tonight. A lot of great interior passes.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It hurts when they just fall apart at the end.
You wish they would just live and die with Rose’s play making
5ft top of the key pass, sit in the corner (where everyone knows i wont shoot the three)
gives me stomach aches every time
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lol @ the fan seats RIGHT NEXT TO THE BULLS bench
I’m envious that they can actually hear Vinny Del Negro spread his genius
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions
So much fun listenting to the Hawks announcers go on about how Atlanta
is beating the Bulls without playing their best basketball.
I don’t even care that it’s true.
Just waiting on some offense....
Oh, there in one of those "here's more proof that we're really a good team" dialogues
It just feels gloaty – their actually far from the worst homers around.
Just waiting on some offense....
It doesn't really matter how good Rose plays
The rest of the team just isn’t that good. Derrick Rose meet Jay Cutler
That's right on the money.
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Derrick Rose is HORRIBLE AT DEFENSE.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's hard for anyone to guard speedy pgs at the top of the key
especially with the hand check rules
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's fair to classify Bibby as "speedy" anymore.
Rose is also unaware of how to fight through screens, since none of his teammates are capable of setting them.
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
He was referring to the Jamal Crawford play
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Well I'm stupid, but my point remains valid!
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking about Crawford holding the ball...
…for about 7 or 8 seconds, and dribbling slowly into Rose, and then just taking off easily around him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Not when you know that's the only play that's going to happen and you have 10 secs...
…to prepare. Jamal Crawford is not unguardable. Derrick Rose is horrible at defense. I know you need to make excuses to give yourself hope.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
How often do opposing PGs "go off" for big time scoring games against Rose?
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
IN fact, name the last pg to outscore Rose in a game
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Probably several, but that's hardly a good way to measure his defense.
If anything, Rose constantly getting beat on screens leads to easy dribble-drive penetration.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Dunno, but if it's because so many guys come to double, I could see why.
Just like when Noah came over and Johnson easily dished to Josh Smith for 2 FT’s.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
How many opposing PG's have had huge assists games vrs Rose?
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know. You tell me.
Rose is bad at defense. Like I said, I know you need to believe otherwise. It’s cool.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You picked a play where Rose was defending a SG
Interesting.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
And?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
My point was look at the overall PG matchup
Rose clearly dominated Bibby both offensively and defensively.
Not to mention Johnson makes a lot of defenders look back on occasion.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 20, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with the last point.
And I’d agree that Rose made Bibby look bad. I wouldn’t agree that that is evidence that Rose is a good defender. He’s not good. If one wants to argue that’s he’s close to average and has moments of being really good, fine. But overall, every play, night-in, night-out, he’s not good at defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd say he's about average.
Rarely do you see apposing PGs dominate him offensively.
Perhaps he’s a bit spoiled because physically he can get away with not being as aggressive since he usually has a size advantage.
Remember, this argument originated from when you called his defense “horrible”.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Rose needs to foul more, too.
He fouls less than anyone on the team. And it’s not because he’s a great defender.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ok, what the hell does that supposed to mean
Last I checked fouling somebody is bad. Negativity is all I get from that…
Not necessarily. If you have fouls to spare, sometimes you just hack the guy if you know he's going to blow by you.
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
It's about being aggressive.
This is going to sound so cliche, but most defenders who are really good get a couple of a fouls per game. James is the last one I remember who didn’t—as Sam Smith pointed out last year. It’s almost impossible to be a good defender without being aggressive and physical. If you’re both of those, you’re bound to pick up a couple of fouls, whether you’re a perimeter defender or post defender.
Rose is aggressive, but it’s becoming obvious to me that he abhors contact. I’m not saying he’s a pussy (because that’s not what I do), but I am saying that to him, it seems as if being physical is not how basketball should be played. He doesn’t draw fouls and he doesn’t foul even a little bit (which is a byproduct of playing good defense).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Right.
Great defenders foul, but know when they have to be careful. Good point. Thanks for agreeing with me and adding on.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
LOL Derrick:
left JJ open at the elbow.
::facepalm::
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
You know what makes me sick?
When Gar Forman spends 80 million on Joe Johnson, he will point to games like this and say we have a “superstar.”
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
If you apply the term star liberally, then yes.
Is Josh Smith a star, because he’s had just as much to do with the Hawks turnaround the past few years as JJ.
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
top 5 sg?
Kobe, Wade, Brandon Roy, Manu, Joe Johnson???
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 19, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
You have to take Johnson before Manu.
by Super-Structure on Dec 19, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
yea ure right
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by piccolomair on Dec 19, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe now?
I don’t know. Manu was the best defensive SG in the league just a couple of years ago.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yea thats what i was thinking
but i realized that i was really reffering to now, thats why i had manu ahead of JJ to begin with…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Rose hurried up before VDN could call a TO. LOL!!
by Dils on Dec 19, 2009 9:21 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
My neighbors probably think someone's getting killed inside my house
They sure as hell haven’t quit tonight.
Just waiting on some offense....
wow that was really ridiculous.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
(in an awesome way)
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Rose
Make your first Game winner baby! The perfect finish to an amazing scoring game from our PG.
“hey JJ, wish you could put our game together ehh?”
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I thought Vinny was going to let them go there for a sec
Damn him and his TOs anyway
Just waiting on some offense....
I like Hinrich in the lineup ten times more than Gibson or Miller.
I mean, I see not wanting to start Deng 82 games at PF or whatever, but he could have done it while Thomas was out. I know, I know, have to have a built-in Thomas replacement.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
For a team that starts Josh Smith (or Al Harrington) at PF, there's no reason why Deng can't handle it for at least 25 minutes.
I know players like continuity, but what’s the harm in shaking it up a little on a bad team?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Johnson is ATL's best defender, apparently.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
but not their best
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
who is then?
Mo Evans? Smith? Who?
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Josh Smith.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not sure
if he’s a better man defender than Johnson. He’s definitely a superior post defender and shot blocker, but JJ can lock people down when he needs to…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Josh Smith is one of the best defenders in the entire league.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
well
tonight he’s played like shit, so I can understand Woodson putting JJ on Rose. (and it worked…)
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
My fault.
I didn’t mean to apply that he wasn’t a good choice to defend Rose. I just was bothered by calling the announcers calling johnson their best defender, when they have one of the best in the league on the team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Was that Neil and Stacey or the Hawks guys?
Neil was talking about how JJ was primarily known as a defender when he was drafted, he’s probably just extending that famous logic.
Besides, they always think in terms of “star player=best at everything”
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
but JJ is a very good defender, and he might be a better perimeter defender than Josh Smith, so I can let that slide.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I doubt Josh Smith could guard Derrick Rose, or any quick PG on the perimeter.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
A) I'm not sure about that.
B) That’s not the point. If it were qualified as “their best perimeter defender”, sure. But it was just “their best”.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
he is
he might not have to defend anymore, but he came into the league as a defensive specialist…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I don't know why anyone wouldn't "have" to defend anymore.
That’s ridiculous.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
well
he doesn’t usually have to matchup with the other team’s best player game after game.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
So he shouldn't have to play defense?
If you’re guarding Raja Bell, he shouldn’t score any points. That’s how Kobe or MJ would look at it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
in today's NBA
your best scorer doesn’t generally guard the other’s team’s best, unless that’s the natural matchup (or at end of game situations).
Case in point, if the Lakers and Cavs play, Kobe and LeBron aren’t guarding one another for most of the game.
He should definitely play defense, but since he’s no longer JUST a defensive specialist, he doens’t have to play his ‘best’. You don’t expect a normal human (read: not Joakim) to give everything he has on every second of every possesion of every game.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Kobe and LeBron play different positions.
Obviously, they wouldn’t match up. You said he “might not have to play defense” anymore, and i take exception to that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
my apologies
I meant it to mean “he might not have to focus only on defense” or “he might not have to play his best defense”.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
he'll proably make 5-7 mill more, so he should be a lot better. is he?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
This is why you need at least two guys who can score...
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
Rose couldnt get open
Fans need to design a inbounds play for the Bulls :D
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
And that's why Vinny needs to let them go without the TO when they've got a final possession
Just waiting on some offense....
by wjb1492 on Dec 19, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
His playcall was likely a Derrick isolation anyway, I don’t see why they need a TO for that.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
YES
I was about to post the same thing.
by ToroToroToro on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
That's on Derrick.
He’s gotta be able to free himself.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
No thats on a bad team
Every Hawk is expecting Derrick to get the ball, and so are the Bulls, if one guy makes a good cut, he’s got a dunk.
Just once, I'm sure the Bulls will execute a game-winning play correctly.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
As bad as all of that was...
Luol still got off a better look than I would have thought…pity it didn’t go in…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
exactly what i thought
defense was tough, but deng actually got off a better shot than i was expecting.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
They needed a different man to set the screen
And the second time around, Rose’s last cut to the basket he had plenty of room, Noah just chickened out on the pass. If he connects on that pass, it’s a layup.
deng is an idiot, not only cuz he missed the shot, bue he fucked up when the first time he had to call timeout
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions
In a game where they actually looked like a real team (for stretches)?
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by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather they win and someone else step up, namely Noah.
Who’s pretty much regressed in terms of having touch around the hoop.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Hawks players, reach over the back of Rose like crazy…no foul call…zzzz
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
FISH!!!
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Rose
mmm this is supposed to be in my hands. lemme just put it in the hoop real quick.
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
by Rudey on Dec 19, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
2 off his career high...
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Ok, well if JJ is going to get those calls, then welcome aboard in 2010.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
they were talking earlier
about how he only gets to the line like 4 times a game. not so great.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Cause rose brings it up.
gives it to Kirk, while he goes into a position where he wont be open, and stands there.
its his choice to go to someone else or not :(
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
wtf...
what was THAT? That’s what Vinny comes out of the TO with? Deng standing for 10 seconds then spearing Mike Bibby?
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Seriously? Oh fuck off Vinny, you're so bad at your job.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
that was all on deng
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
told you deng is an idiot
he has no business taking it to the basket off of an isolation, even if he is bigger than bibby, rose needs to have the ball in that situation
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions
I understand that
but ill still take his
21/11/6
just dont let him finish games.
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
haha-- what?! "good job luol, why dont you sit the last 3 mins so we can be sure to never grab a rebound for the rest of the game."
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I just don’t like him going iso he doesn’t have handles like that at all they need to put him in a better situation than that.
I think the coaching staff getting paid millions of dollars should probably figure that out.
Isolating Luol Deng for a game winning shot is probably in the top 10 of worst plays possible in the NBA.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I can name 10 players who are worse for game winning shots.
Nine of them are Jannero Pargo.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Ahahahah so predictable
End of the game and DENG has the ball WOW
and here comes...
the Joe Johnson isolation game winning jumper/foul shots
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I love these statements when Deng was attacking the paint consistently tonight.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about running, jumping, moving laterally, etc
He’s a skinny, black Tom Boerwinkle without the passing ability
Funny, I saw Deng running and jumping with success today.
Maybe he got new legs?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
he might be
the weakest 6’9’’ dunking small forward in the league.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
oh no
don’t get me wrong, I like Luol. he doesn’t have to be a great dunker to be a good player, I was just making an observation…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Deng
redeemed himself with a man rebound! Good shit Lu…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
lmfao
part of my brain exploded when he said that…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Rofl
I didn’t understand that either.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 19, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
i think the best part about that
was the numerous comments on here being like WTF????
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Haha...did anyone catch that?
Deng is fired? Way to go Neil!
That was almost as hilarious as the "Jalen Rose" graphic by WGN.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
yea, i noticed that too, such disrespect....
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Please make it a Fanshot, it should honestly be the new BaB logo.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
lol, okay, i will
it was kinda funny, i had it on my dvr and was a little behind, so i was fastforwarding… and i saw that pop on my screen and i was like wtf? so had to go back and see what the fuck was up. then i snapped a photo.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Neil funk
makes his statements, no matter how dumb.
With extreme confidence.
Give him his props :D
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
hey did i see fat fuck JJ with the jumpman logo tattoo??? wtf???
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully someone was just in Neils ear telling him HE'S fired and his signals got crossed
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 19, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Firing a blind man on Christmas Eve? Jerry's not that mean.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Good shit Rose
pursuing that then taking it away from Crawford…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Lets pray this is DR's mindset.
“i play timid =we lose by 30-40”
“i go big= we beat that same team…fuck it, this is my time, this is my team!”
Make them your team Rose!
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
wow, a great win
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 19, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions
Each make
was one more on top of his career high in points.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
after what happened in ATL
and the bludgeoning we took, I have to say this feels like the greatest win of all time…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Feels good, AND I feel a 10 game win streak coming!!
Christmas Miracle???
I lol'ed
at Joakim eating that pass.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
He won't play him. THey don't need him now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's about damn time we get a win against a good team
hopefully this is the start of a nice run, we shall see…
Vinny Del OH NO!
I think it's just gas. :P
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Considering we have the Kings, Knicks, Hornets, Pacers, and Pistons to finish out the month
Now should be the start of a nice run if we really hope to go anywhere this season.
Just waiting on some offense....
Well, if we really do suck, we'll lose 2 out of 4 or worse
If we’re actually decent we’ll win 3 or more
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 19, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Deng and Rose should keep the same logic.
Notice how different the team is when 2 people attack the hoop, as opposed to just Rose dying a slow death Vinny? Plays where Deng is cutting=fun, plays where he shoots 20 ft jumpers=lame.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
agreed
i like luol deng driving, and using that midrange to keep the defense honest…ditto with rose, his shot looked smooth today, and we need him to be like that, open looks, take the jumper…SHooting wtih confidence just like vdn planned….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Deng has 11 assists in his last two games
He almost never posts more than 5 assists.
It’s not like he’s not passing, but he’s typically passing to guys that can’t make shots.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
HOLY SHOOT WE WON
BULLS WIN BULLS WIN
Best game of the season man…..rose looks better, hinrich hit his shots…salmons played great d, deng had another solid game, Jeez just a great game!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Deng + Salmons + KIRK Hinrich
= 18 of 39 shooting or 46% from the field.
Every other night please…to start.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
They did
It left Kirk Hinrich open in the corner and he made the wide open shot.
Mopey Kurt never made it out of the locker room.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
I kinda always get kik out of hinrich getting techd up
Cuz he takes it so personal and he always wants to do something to get back at the whole situation, after he got the tech, he took the ball and went straight at the defense, penetrated and got to the line, and my brother was like “he should get mad like that more often” i think he stayed kind of mad, but focused the rest of the game, and it helped him remain aggressive and confident shooting….he does that often when he gets a technical, he always wants to respond back through his play, its like the best way to focus him…I bet skiles used to chew him out during halftime, which is why he played so much better back then…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
38-44 and 9th in the East, here we come. :(
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Not even you can put a damper on this win for me
No matter what has gone before, or what is yet to come, they showed up tonight and they kept fighting when down 8 pretty late in the game and pulled out a win against a very good team. W-L record can only move one game at a time, and this game it moved in the right direction.
And this is the gamethread, where exaggeration in either direction is not only tolerated but expected. ;)
Just waiting on some offense....
Indeed the team that i saw today
was My Chicago Bulls….that other sucky team is Definetly the Chicago Cows
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 19, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Big win and Tyrus is coming back!
"And Deng is fired!" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions
To be traded.
Tyrus is coming back!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
KC Johnson called
He wished Tyrus a “Merry Christmas” and reminded him that over Christmas “he will be shopped.”
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ouch. Back to back heartbreaking losses for the Bucks.
"And Deng is fired!" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions
I'm really looking forward
to getting a good look at him Monday. I didn’t see the first Bulls/Kings game, and I didn’t catch much of the Kings/Wizards on ESPN earlier in the week.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
I haven't caught as much of him as I want to, seen plenty of Jennings though.
Evans is just huge, if they keep him at PG he’s going to be getting to the hoop all the time.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 19, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Any more Derrick Rose doubters?
After Kobe told him just do it, he comes out and has a game like this. His best of the year. I think this is a sign of good things to come. Good shiiit!
by Lsd on Dec 19, 2009 10:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not to be too negative
but if he could hit a three or get to the line he would’ve put up 40 easily. If it’s gonna take that kinda effort for him to get 32 points, then we should expect tonight to be an exception to the rule, but it sure as hell was fun to watch
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 19, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
remember guys
this wasn’t really Derrick Rose out there tonight… according to WGN Sports, it was Jalen Rose.. so lets not get too happy.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I want the Bulls to build around Jalene Rose.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
angryandy reference
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 19, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, is anyone watching the Saints-Cowboys game?
It’s ridiculous how one team can just catch every break week after week.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
This is what I learned tonight and what i already knew and what we all knew last season but some people didn't.
Get the ball to Rose and get the fuck out of the way. Deng and Salmons should never have the ball with the game on the line. Bad things happen.
Thoughts
1) When Rose is on, don’t ever count the Bulls out of any game
2) This win most likely means a turnaround (hopefully) but also means VDN stays
3) I hope this doesn’t make VDN think we don’t need Tyrus’ athletic ability to compete with the best teams in the league
4) Mayweather vs Pacquiao finally has a venue and it’s at the MGM. At least I can always count on Floyd to make me happy, even when the Bulls can’t
Pacquiao will destroy Mayweather...
I can’t even see this one going the distance.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
and he did so
without going to the line much, without hitting 3 point shots….NOW THATS INSANE!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 19, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Trade Dung and Kirk ...now
for Boozer, sign him,
sign Dwade.
if rose went to the line more
he prob would of had 40 iss
Yeah, I don't know if thats ever gonna change.
Every time he gets fouled, its like he got hit by a car, grimacing, holding his elbow, etc.
Does not seek contact.
"Every time he gets fouled, its like he got hit by a car"
Thats with a lot of players.At least he does have contact.Unlike lebitch who gets a fingernail touched on him and it will be a flagrant 2.
Lol.
What? That’s not on Lebron, it’s on the refs. Lebron never acts he’s hurt on a foul. Last season, Derrick was crying and had to go back to the locker room with a towel over his head.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
"Lebron never acts like hes hurt on a foul"
I don’t know about that.He does make contact look harder than it really is (with his big ass).A lot of other players do these days.
the bad boy pistons got so fed up with the way the refs called the game for jordan
they compiled a video of game footage in which jordan was sent to the line after being “fouled”, only the tape showed he literally wasnt touched by anyone. you need to chill out, this has been the way for a while, and really, it wasnt that big a deal then and it isnt now.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
It's so true unfortunately
EVERY TIME he gets hit it looks like a career ender. I hate to rip on someones pain threshold (unless it’s Luol Deng which I’ve done countless times), but you really have to start to wonder if he has the toughness to get it done. I also consider his unwillingness to mix it up for loose balls and rebounds an indicator of this. Also have we ever seen him come even remotely close to a scrap with another player?
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 20, 2009 1:32 AM CST up reply actions
He is not as brittle as greg oden.
Who didn’t get hit when he got injured.The toughness will come in my opinion.Some players go through that.Or is Rose still hurt from that injury.Whatever 32 points he did damn good
That's irrelevant.
That’s a physical thing with Oden. He’s not soft, his body is. It’s not his fault his body can’t handle the banging. At least when he’s in he goes and gets in the mix, Derrick never gets his hands dirty.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Not sure what you're complaining about.
He can finish in traffic. Who cares if Rose doesn’t ‘get his hands dirty’. The sheer fact that Rose drives into the lane the way he does if proof that he’s not afraid of contact. If he was, he’d be Kirk Hinrich.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 20, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Lmao...
He just had one of his best overall games since he’s been in the league. I’ve seen a few very clutch blocks from him in some games. Whenever anybody is fouled that don’t like it. No I can’t recall him being in any scraps. But your points are pieces a scrap shiit.Some of you Bulls fan are some whining insecure m-f-fers. Derrick Rose is our star. Embrace it! I didn’t even see the game,I saw some replays… the dribble,spin and turnaround fade a way was some of the greatest shiit I ever seen. And not to mention the driving layup were he blew past Joe Johnson and put his left arm up to knock Josh Smith off balance which gave him no chance to block the shot,this was to tie the game up with 35 seconds left.(he absorbed the contact there). These two plays were in ending of the fourth. Overall clutch performance.Kobe told him just do it!..Wade,Lebron,Chris Paul,mostly all nba coaches give Rose high praise.I knew it was only a matter of time where he would start to take over. He is turning a new leaf…shiit is starting to bud. Bout to be on fire.Just sit back and enjoy.
Dwight Howard as well.
If Kobe says he has the skills, I’ll take his word for it.
by Super-Structure on Dec 20, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
Every time Wade gets hit he limps like he was tackled by the 85 Bears
Paul Pierce was crying and had a wheel chair come on the court for him before he came galloping back into a playoff game. Anthony Peeler hit KG in the chest full force with a forearm shiver and KG did not retaliate.
A guy playing through bruised ribs, who had to take 2 cortisone shots to keep playing, who constantly attacks the basket – is a pussy??!? These criticisms blow my mind.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention
That rose wanted to play when he had that ankle injury in preseason, he wanted to practice hard but the coaching staff wouldnt let him, and they limited his numbers…
And that it takes hard fouls for rose to even get a call, he goes into traffic all the time, i would expect that the other teams are told by their coaching staff that if you foul rose, foul him hard because he so compact and strong, that guys will bounce off him
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Agreed
Rose is the shit!!!! Us bulls fans are just expecting him to be a superstar over night. It takes time people.
What my "concern" with Rose is...
…is that his biggest weak points seem to be about being aggressive and relentless. That’s a mindset, some have it, some don’t. Let’s not forget that the best game of Rose’s life, it was still Tyrus Thomas who hit the clutch shots in overtime.
Rose could be drawing 5-7 FTA per game right now if he wanted. He could be a much bigger pest on the defensive end right now if he had that mindset. Maybe he will get it. It’s not a physical limitation in either athletic ability or technique that is holding him back right now; it’s mental limitation. It can still be learned, which is why I still think Rose can be a superstar (although defense is more than just “trying hard”). I just hope he recognizes that part of it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I know everyone thinks the refs hate their favorite player, etc.
But in recent games Rose has gone hard to the hoop a lot, gotten enough contact to draw a call and simply not gotten a call. I agree his game has a lot of short-comings but I honestly think that his not getting to the line is not entirely his fault at this point. He’s been pretty aggressive.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 20, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Why would they single him out, though?
Tyreke Evans and Rusell Westbrook have gotten plenty of calls in their early careers.
I’m sure there are more than a few calls Rose “should have” gotten, but you’d have to think there is an actual conspiracy against Rose getting calls. We know rookie PG’s can get calls, so I’m done with that excuse (not that you were making it, but plenty of others have).
Oh, and further evidence (to me) that Rose doesn’t like contact is that he doesn’t get rebounds or steals. Basically, except for scoring and passing, he doesn’t do the little things very well. At this stage in his career he’s like a perimeter version of Eddy Curry. At least he doesn’t turn the ball over, so that’s good.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
"He's like a perimeter version of Eddy Curry"
whatever you say Tyger. Whatever you say.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Why isn't he?
Eddy scored for himself ridiculously well, Rose gets others to score well enough and for himself okay. Neither does anything else well.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If Rose didn't like contact
he wouldn’t drive. Driving and finishing in traffic DEMANDS that you are unafraid of contact.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 20, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thus, his growing propensity to take outside shots.
Last year, 40% of Rose’s shots were inside. This year, 33%. Plus, he’s a lot worse at finishing inside than he was last year. He’s getting scared.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
is there a breakdown
of month to month? i’d be curious to see his december numbers vs november, since i assume he wasn’t driving as much in november due to the injury.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Don't have the monthly breakdown of shots
but wimpy Rose has raised his scoring and assist average every month this season. Maybe he was injured to start out the season – nah, crazy theory.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Nice psychoananlysis
On the list of possible reasons that Rose hasn’t gone inside as much this year, I find “He’s a pussy” to be really damn obnoxious. I’m no Rose fanboy, but this is ridiculous. He had the ankle injury and has no Gordon. Those are at least as legit as your assessment of Rose’s psyche. Plus, as Jaina points out, he seems much more aggressive lately.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
"he’s like a perimeter version of Eddy Curry"
Im sorry but that was a dumb comparison.Considering that eddy curry sucks
I'll just point out that...
…Eddy Curry was about ten times the efficient scorer than Rose is. Rose dishes a lot so he creates for his teammates about ten times better than Curry did, but Curry created for himself. Neither does much of anything else.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So, we're ripping on Rose becuase he rebounds like Steve nash
Instead of averaging a whole extra rebound per game like Chris Paul
Yeah, whatever.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
we are also ripping on him because he draws one
less shooting foul a game than Westbrook. This somehow, proves that he is not tough. Whatever.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 21, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I may have said he wasn't "tough", and if I did....
…I’d appreciate the link or quote, but I’ve mostly said he’s not aggressive and that he avoids contact.
There’s nothing that makes you a “pussy” when you avoid contact. It could be trying to get your shot, trying not to foul, trying to use your explosiveness and speed instead of your strength. I wouldn’t call a receiver that doesn’t like to go over the middle a “pussy”; I try to avoid macho declarations of ball-size (or lack thereof) like that. I’d call that person smart for not wanting to be knocked unconscious or suffer a life-ending spinal injury.
I think you guys are conflating your own egos with Rose too much and instituting your own words.
Unless I did call him a pussy.
Oh, and two less free throws, two less rebounds, two less 3 pointers made, 1 less steal every other game… sure mock those, but if you don’t see how doing ALL of the “little things” at a lesser rate doesn’t add up, then, well, whatever. I mean, what’s Rose do better than Kirk Hinrich at this point in their careers?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Gee, what a loser, indicating spots where he was hit are indeed hurting.
And if he’s grimacing in pain, he’s obviously getting contact.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
If anything, he should complain about being hurt more -- he hasn't been getting calls that someone like Pierec would get.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 20, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
He's not getting calls
because he’s not seeking contact, esp. when he is dribbling.
Has he ever pump-faked and drawn the foul? ZERO, not once that I recall.
Plus the poster that said he’s not scrumming for rebounds, loose balls at the free throw line, or steals is right on.
When he gets trapped by a big, does he hit into him? Or does he stop and pass it to Brad?
Open your eyes
Has he ever pump-faked and had someone jump at his shot?
People will let him take the J all day long. …
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Was it just me
or did anyone else think Joe Johnson was auditioning tonight? He appeared far more aggressive in getting off his own shot that the game a few weeks ago in Atlanta. In Atlanta he struggled with his shot but still managed 4 assists in 30 minutes of action. Last night he had 5 assists in 48 minutes, but put up 32 shots.
It looked like he just wanted to get his until late in the game the Bulls were competing so he started to try to take over.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Isn't that his usual M.O?
Isn’t he known as a bit of a selfish player. At least that’s what I’ve heard. He took a ton of shots last night, but hell, he was hitting them, especially from three, so why not?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Maybe he was taking them as Marvin Williams and Josh Smith were bricking them
Those two were just awful last night, but did you notice JJ creating anything for either of them? I can’t say I watched Joe get either of them involved in the offense.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
You're right.
He was pretty selfish last night. I don’t watch much Hawks ball, so I don’t know much about the offense they run. Do they move the ball well or are they big on isolations? I would think they would lean towards the latter as their athleticism creates matchup nightmares.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
i also read
that 3 of johnson’s 6 40+ pt games have come against the bulls.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I bet a lot of players have a high percentage
of their mega-point cycles against the Bulls.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
nice game
glad i recorded it off wgn america.
good to see the offensive change happen (adjustment?). after they looked stagnant in the 1st quarter, i saw a lot of double high post (usually noah and miller at the elbows) that coincided with a lot of cutting. and there was generally much more movement in the standard sets(?), pick and rolls used to get the mismatch and drive/kicks from isos. in both those cases, they were usually quicker and more aggressive. (what’s the point in a mismatch if it’s not taken advantage of in the paint? even if it produced a jumper, it meant guys were more open.)
i disagree that salmons was “creating room” for derrick this game with his shot. he made some nice passes though. and why vinny insists on matching up miller with either smith or horford….ugh! luckily, it didn’t really hurt this time. but it did effect the 1st quarter, when they looked pretty bad.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
The Bulls are screwed no matter who starts at PF
Brad Miller is Vinny’s favorite toy on offense. I’ve never seen a team actually try to run their offense through a 6’11 perimeter PF that wasn’t Dirk Nowitzki, but the Bulls seem hell-bent on giving possessions away by sticking Miller with the ball and letting him make stupid decisions.
Hopefully Tyrus comes back next week, because Miller and Gibson can provide value to this club, just not in the roles they have right now.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Since he replaced Taj Gibson in the starting lineup and guards the opposing team's PF?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
He usually guards the opposing teams center
which has helped Noah, I believe. Paired against the likes of Bogut or Kaman, Miller can be useful. But when he is matched up with Hortford like last night, he is in a world of trouble.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno about that
Miller’s got a pretty long history as a very effective high post passer you could run an offense through. Not saying we should do it all the time, but he was good at it with the Kings.
That was 6 years ago, I'm confident Miller's quickness and timing has waned since then.
That was also on a team where he was paired with 2 other incredible post passers, and a coach who knows what the fuck he’s doing.
I’m not trying to bash him, but the Bulls set themselves up for failure pretty often trying to run plays through him.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
A better response
The Bulls have so many ways to set themselves up for failure it’s a shame to limit them to this one.
YEa i might get knocked for this but...
i thought vinny had a good game also…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
He helped them?
Basically I liked how VDN didnt just stick to having salmons and hinrich guard Joe Johnson, having deng guard him, what was even more great was that he put deng and salmons in the game, had deng guard Joe johnson, and salmons whoever the sf was supposed to be (this is in the second quarter) I also liked how the bulls were offensively making atlanta pay for doing that switchy defense (of course vdn should know all aobut that defense since thats what the bulls did last year) and they ran an offense that constantly allowed taj or deng to get defended by bibby or whoever the smallest guy was.
I liked how the last play in the 4th was designed for rose, and that when rose didnt get the ball that the thought was call a timeout and lets t ry to get rose teh ball this time…even though it ended up in dengs hand, he wasnt supposed to be the one who got the ball, which at least showed some direction.
Then there was teh fact that the lineups were really good, partially because of matchups, but he did get noah alot of rest and ran a smaller front court with deng and taj, or deng and miller, if things werent working he wasnt forcing them to work, and what was working (rose for example) he was milking it for all it was worth.
Basically what i would expect from decent-good coaching vdn provided, there was no pargo, there was only a little of james johnson (and he wasnt helping much) and part of why they won was because vdn was willing to make changes throughout the game that helped the team…I thought he did a good job…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 20, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I disagree with your assessment of the last play in the 4th
Vinny actually screwed up Rose’s chances of having the last shot by calling the timeout in the first place. Rose had the ball off Deng’s rebound and was pushing it across half court when Vinny called the time-out. Why? So he can tell everyone to clear out and let Rose iso like they always do? He took the ball out of Rose’s hands and gave Atlanta a chance to keep him from getting it, which they did. They had plenty of time to set up Rose’s iso without calling that time out, and the Hawks would have had a harder time setting up a defense to stop it.
Classic idiot Vinny move.
Interesting point
i really didnt think about it that way, but i agree with your assessment…still, for vinny yesterday was a pretty good coaching job, relative to what his coaching usually is like….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 20, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Smith and Williams 3-19 fg Salmons and Rose 89 minutes 0 turnovers
Rise of Taj
last 5 games
25 minutes, 9.8 pts 9.2 rbs
Taj is a decent role player
that is all….shame on the bulls for making him play as something he is not, and perhaps never will be….a starting pf…just teasing the guy…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 20, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Taj is a good player when he doesn't get destroyed by starting forwards.
Hopefully when Tyrus comes back healthy the front court can have a more normal distribution of minutes
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 20, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
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