Bulls 98, Knicks 89
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 17, 2009 9:31 PM CST
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No recap tonight.
Neil Funk embarrased himself to the point where I was openly rooting for Gallinari to score 40 and blow the Bulls out. If only the team he's on didn't stink so bad. Bulls win!
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We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarah should replace Neil Funk.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think she is really cute in this picture.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 18, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions
In the words of the great negro poet Flava Flava
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Visit your optometrist.
But she’s not even a five!!!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 18, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Knicks suck...
I feel only slightly better about my life.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
You know
I thought that was a fun game….
The first quarter seeing D’Antoni’s offense executed to absolute perfection really was awesome…then the Knicks got ridiculously selfish….
But this was a hard nosed scrappy game. I could watch all 82 games of ours if they were like that, win or lose….
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the border?
really I think they have a few winnable games coming up here. I don’t know what they are but I’m sure there there.
I'll add, I wouldn't pursue David Lee, give me Amare, Bosh, or Boozer
If Lebron, Wade or Gay don’t come.
Yeah
Lee screams SYSTEM guy…to me. I expect he’ll be a big disappointment to whatever team overpays for him next year as his scoring and boards’ll dip a bit.
Good player but def not worth the hype out of the system (unless he goes to Golden State that is)
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I felt that
about Lee the whole time, and thats why teams weren’t stepping up to pay him, he is good in this system
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
We’ll see the restricted FA kept him in NY, that and the fact that in 2010 there’s better folks to be had…..I mean BG got no bites the year before, then walked off on day 1 as an unrestricted FA with a cool $58M….so you never know. I just hope Pax/Gar aren’t foolish to take that risk for that kind of money as a consolation prize.
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I'm w/ you, we already have Joakim, need a much better
offensive big man next to Noah
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think you guys have listened to Neal Funk too much
Lee’s best years statistically were playing under Thomas and next to Curry. He had a nice rookie year playing under Larry Brown. He’s played well under D’Antoni.
So maybe he screams system guys, but that’s three systems he’s played pretty well in. I don’t think he’s an all-star but he’s a very good player.
Lee
Is very unlikely to be a 18.5-11 guy again….let’s put it that way, UNLESS he stays with D’Antoni or goes to Nellie ball. System is helping those numbers.
He’s a decent player, a good Noah esque energy kind of guy that’s good for every team, but folks are going to judge him on those lofty numbers he’s putting, and I think that’s more the system than his natural talent….
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Lee's numbers have been very consistent over the last 4 years
His rebounding numbers were actually better in past years. His TS% hasn’t really changed in 4 years, nor has his TRB % or his PER. What has changed is his usage. But that is to be expected, the longer he stays in the league the more he becomes comfortable as a guy you can run your offense through.
I don’t think David Lee will ever be an all-star. But there is no reason to believe that he will fall off a cliff when he leaves that system. In the three years he played before D’Antoni his numbers were just as good if not better.
D’Antoni isn’t a miracle worker. And after what I saw last night, I have to question his coaching in general. His system looks a lot better with great players – but you can say that for every coach.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 18, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
He's putting all star esque STATS up right now
And some GM might just pay him gobs of money.
He will be and already is a nice piece, good player, etc because he knows his game and the game….but he won’t put up these numbers again.
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Really?
His numbers last year were similar, so if he keeps up the pace that’s two years in a row. I don’t see why he cant put up ~18 and 11 consistently.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
C'mon, majo...
…did you even try to look up his stats???? He’s been in top 10 in FG% the past 3 years (therefore, not due to the system).His rebounds per 36 minutes have been identical the past four years (so not system). His assisting, blocks, steals (all per 36) are unchanged (not system). His TS% is the same (not system). The only thing different, as Smurf said, is that he’s taking more shots. There’s no reason that part of the “system” would change anywhere else. I think you had a preconceived notion and have failed to change your mind despite overwhelming evidence.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
As to the miracle worker comment….
Lee is doing well because his team is full of non system chuckers who want to pad their stats. Lee is perhaps the only one (sans a nice bench role for Duhon) who can come in any system and play well enough….but because he’s smart, he’s getting more boards….when everyone around here is shooting high volume, bad 3’s, bad jump shots.
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he's not getting more boards per minute. He's just playing more.
That’s not the system nor the chuckers. You are wrong. You need to look up the stats and consider an alternate explanation.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Put David Lee next to a PG like Nash or Paul
and he’s an easy all-star.
He’s put up consistent numbers with Chris Duhon, Nate Robinson, Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis as point guards.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
duhon and gallinari
both only took 2 non-3 shots. harrington only took 5.
their team is fucking terrible.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
They play that stupid Euro style, that's why I hate D'antoni
N.Y, Orlando and G.S play that stupid style and I hate it.
No doubt, no NBA team ever won the championship playing stupid small ball
or jacking up a ton of threes!
by the way, the houston rockets won 2 titles playing a kind of 4 out-1 in style, and hakeem
their center was about 6-10.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
GS shoot a lot of threes but i dont think they are euro at all. too much isolation; euros share.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
If by "Euro" you mean teams pass the ball, then Orlando does play that way.
Golden State plays glorified streetball, and they’re not even good at it.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 17, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
They have a style, but no plan, Nellie style is to
play his best 5 no matter the position, run’n’gun and play o-lay defense
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
If by Euro you mean Greek,
then yes, the Knicks have been taking it up the butt this year.
yeah. I said it.
Orlando
is the only good team of that bunch, and that’s only because Dwight howard dominates in the post and because Rashard Lewis isn’t allowed to be what Al Harrington is in New York.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
Thats what you call abuse of
the three point line, after watching this game does anybody want to see Deng attempt 5 treys a game?
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Mike D’antoni has gone from coaching a team with talented individuals to a team made up of players everybody THOUGHT would be talented players.
I feel bad missing out on more Funk and Stacey idiocy. Galinari was ridiculous with some of those 3s in the fourth quarter.
Funk’s eyes just piss me off, I hope Wennington or Swirsky take over soon.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
i heard the last
4 minutes on the radio… when salmons hit that late three… gotta love the “onions baby onions” call from swirsk, while wennigton just laughs
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I like Vinny but I just don't want him as the Bulls coach.
they should move him up into the front office after this season.
Vinny is a tool, I'll take Randy Brown coaching the guys.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 17, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
If you don't understand math
it is hard to get the NBA luxury tax. Due to NBA salary rules, you better be a lawyer or an accountant to be a front office guy.
If Randy Brown can’t manage his own personal finances, how the hell can he manage a multimillion dollar organizations?
the suggestion was coach, not GM
we already have 3 of those.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Don't want
to see Bernie, he was a horrible head coach, and should never get another shot at being a head coach, off topic, does anyone have a feeling that Tim Flyod will be the head coach of the Hornets next season, this guy should never get another shot as well
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
is pat robertson on TNT? i hope he treats us to some spirited pulpit mush.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
They had three but the line up if I'm not mistaken was
PG- Smith SG- Maxwell SF-Elie PF- Thorpe C- Olajuwon
wow, i forgot about elie.
i think their crunch time lineup was smith, cassell, maxwell, elie, hakeem.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Was Horry on the team the 1st championship, or was that the 2nd title?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 17, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls would have won in 94
Had they not been Donaghy’d (different ref but used for effect) with that Pippen call on Starks….
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I know the Rockets whupped on the Knicks in the Finals that year
But the Bulls matched up better anyway.
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They didn't whoop the Knicks it went 7 games
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
Deng had the worst 24 and 13 game EVAR
come on man!
God I hate him
Ya I know
24 points on 15 shots, 5 assists only 1 foul. Clearly, Deng stunk. Bring back Gordon!
sarcasm right?
from both of you?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 17, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
yea i said this before
i actually like taj, its just that at first the organization was putting him in a position where it was forcing fans to hate him…hes got enough game to be a decent role player…but starting? And playing more minutes than t yrus thomas…i mean cmon! im thinking the rest of the league also didnt like it cuz he seemed to pick up alot of fouls real quick…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 17, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
taj wouldn't be so bad
if the media didn’t treat him as if he were so great. he’s a rookie, and the 26th pick at that. i’d say he’s fine for being that. but the best man and help defender on our team, as neil said? like seriously wtf? if the reporters weren’t so delusional about his skills, he’d be far less annoying. but i realize it isn’t his fault.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
well thanks to yaopau's detective work
we now know the “media” is just the bulls organization anyway…but yea i agree with u….for what he really is, a 24 year old 26th pick, hes good, and i dont mind having him in the rotation, but playing more minutes than tyrus, or starting….thats just absurd!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 17, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously
The Chicago press can’t stop inflating Gibson’s talent. He’s got some skills, but he’s got major weaknesses. At least mention those. It’s not like other clubs and fans don’t know about them.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Taj
is the next Joe Smith, he won’t be great/ won’t be garbage but a solid guy that comes off the bench
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
if we're phrasing it as former Bulls
Taj is more Malik Allen.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Oh...
I think he’s more like the one good year of Othella Harrington we had….(I don’t remember younger Harrintong)….I think Taj is better than Allen already and I don’t know think he’s as good as Joe Smith (maybe late in the years Joe Smith)….though if he became Joe Smith in a year then he’s a great pickup for us.
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Late in years Joe Smith thats
what I was aiming for
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Taj actually could be good in a few years….he has a lot of tools. Needs to hit the weight room and get more experience, but he’s a good pick up….just not a good pick up to force feed a starting role and 25-30 minutes just yet….which was getting to the point where like you said we were being forced to Hate him.
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How do you teach hands?
Did you watch how the Knicks just came from behind him last night and stole board after board?
Gibson rebounds like he’s the only player near the ball as he pretend no opponent is going to come to get that loose ball.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Dude
I’m not saying I expect him to be the next Amare or anything, but he could be a good semi starter, which is fantastic for a #26 pick….
He’s a rookie, he can bulk up, he has some nice O moves, he has good D positioning…he makes tons of rookie mistakes…
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i thought he did the best job rebounding
ive seen from him yet, he went up strong for alot of rebounds, i saw some “man-rebounds” in their too…but yea that was the first isntance…usually he isnt like that, i figured joakim had been helping him out a bit in that area…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 18, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Clearly
I don’t mean to dog on Taj. He was good last night. He had about 4 misses where he would have posted a great night.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
watching the suns game now. i dont think bayless is as good as derrick, but if derrick
could steal a part of bayless’ aggression derrick would be a much better player.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I missed Neil Funk embarrassing himself yet again, I was watching with the sound off
Can someone fill me in on what dumb shit he said this time?
Vinny Del OH NO!
I missed it too, I think.
He and Stacey did their usual bash the other team routine in the first half, but I went to play pick up ball after that so I missed the second half.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
oh
I did hear him say… as Tommy Edwards announced the three second violation, Funk called it illegal defense and then tried to say there must have been a foul. Then Stacy cut him off and talked about something. They even swept the camera across the player who was in the lane and I could see Neil in the background really confused.
Neil? Confused? Noooooooo....
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2009 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
bascially
whenever the Knicks made a three, Funk and/or King would just say “wow…” and talk about how great the Knicks’ offense was.
But when they missed, they would just make fun of Gallinari.
Even though the shots the Knicks were taking were the exact same shots. From the exact same spots, with the exact same plays…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
From what I saw in the first half, the knicks at least run a somewhat decent offense.
Sure, the players aren’t all that good and they take lots of bad shots, but the plays do get the right guys open.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Honestly, they ran a terrible offense tonight...
They just hit some horrible shots. At least 2 of the threes they hit were bailout chucks with the clock running down, and a bunch of shots were five feet beyond the arc with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. Couple that with the fact that they scored only 86 points after scoring 34 in the first points to an inability to adjust when those shots aren’t falling. That’s a bad offense. That’s bad coaching too. They are a terrible team.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
All I watched was the first half, and their plays were freeing up tons of open guys.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Trust me then...
After that first quarter they sucked… Bad.
You know your team is in trouble when you get out coached by VDN.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
yea the thing i think id give d'antoni credit for
is guard play, in the sense that duhon really looked good out there, and guys were constantly getting open and getting looks, the problem was that there guys all were in chucking mode..i was thinking that if they hadnt hit all those 3s we probably wouldve had an easier time against them, but thinking about it now…i think that quick run they had in hte opening minutes is what did them in, they were so hot from 3pt line they forgot how to do anything but chuck up 3pts…eddy curry should also get credit for helping us climb back in…at the end of the 3rd quarter the knicks had 60some points….they scored 33 in the 1st quarter!! Half thier points up to that point came in the first…thats sad
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
The first quarter though
Was perfection, open look after open look….incredible ball movement. I know it was a lot of 3’s even then, but they were mostly then good shots….
Then they all got ridiculously selfish and jacked up anything and stopped moving the ball.
Anyone else notice that Kirk at PG is what righted the ship? Combo guard my ass. Hinrich is a PG folks….and if he played as such his numbers would look a lot better….
Why this fucking org has decided to lower his value so much forcing him to play something he’s not is ridiculous….now he’s a luxury that we don’t even need (we need a 2 guard) and can’t afford….
A shame.
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Kirk...
Has shown he can lower his value playing point (see the 07-08 season) just as well as the Bulls can by making him 2-guard.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 18, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Um
I think that had to do also with Ben Wallace quitting. Luol and BG then Hughes jacking up shot after shot after shot and not running the offense….
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Huh?
What’s with all the Funk hate? After listening to Tom Dore for waaay too many years, I’ll take Funk any day. King, however, needs to go. And he needs to go on a diet.
Hey
I rather have King. Than fucking Chuck Swirskey.His Voice is like a cartoon. He almost sounds like Goofy!
king and swirsky would be a fun duo
swirsky good at play by play calling…although its on radio so i could be wrong..i was wrong about funk afterall…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 17, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why do we have to choose between sucky options?
Couldn’t we just actually get someone good?
Just waiting on some offense....
It's because Funk can't see.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
He's awesome
He usually calls games on ESPN radio with Dr. Jack Ramsay. Great combo.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
It was probably more because the knicks suck
but man i thought everyone brought a good complete game today on both ends of the court….you can see rose still suffers on the defensive end but hes got a good motor, he keeps moving, i also noticed that rose has a high consistency level, if he starts making jumpers, hell continue to make them until the defense adjusts….and god damn rose is spectacular in the open court….not just in terms of scoring but he is better at making decisions on the fly as opposed to be restricted to a system
I liked how at the end of the third and most of the 4th vdn had kirk continue running the “point” while rose was more a “shooting guard” flipping positons every once in a while….it reminded me of the concept i had of having rose and hinrich run sort of a twin pg offense…it looked good because rose was still being guarded by a pg, so he had an advantage when he was closer to the basket…
I thought deng played a simply fantastic game, he rebounded, scored, PASSED, his defense on gallinari was decent…i love his attack and aggressiveness lately…not settling on just jumpers, and getting to the free throw line…his lanky unbalanced nature was paying dividends for him…
Noah practices his post game and freethrows quite a bit, and every day you see him play you get this feeling that hes been working hard…he didnt have a WOW game, but he played awesome overall
I liked and hated vdns lineups today, i liked how he played his best players the most, kept brad on the bench for both energy conservation and because he was sucking it up today, and didnt think he just NEEDED to play pargo or hunter… Although i thought that hinrich and noah had way too much playing time, both players were totally gassed near the end of the game….At some point late in the fourth hinrich yells at noah to “lets go!!” and gives him a pat on the back while the ball is in play (while dribbling) and i felt sorry for both of them…
I injured my foot today so i couldnt go to work, but im glad i got to enjoy this game…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
You and me both
The twin PG attack…..course we could use a real inside scorer to make that work….but I think it’s our best option right now….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
still rather
have a real 2 than two combo guards on the court. No need to play dr. jeykl and mr hyde with our guards an inside scorer would be very nice.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 18, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on the makeup of the team
But of course I’d rather have a top 15 SG….which we don’t, or an inside scorer (which we don’t)….but if we only had the inside scorer (or have the athleticism of Tyrus back) Hinrich’s a better fit as a passer, etc than Salmons at the 2…
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"i also noticed that rose has a high consistency level, if he starts making jumpers, hell continue to make them until the defense adjusts…."
the phenomenon you just described is the definition of “streaky shooting” LOL
Bayless is killing Phoenix right now...
I tried to tell NBAO he had game last year, but he (like many others who never watched him at UA) was too hung up on draft measurements. Damn we could use a guy like him on the Bulls.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 AM CST reply actions
Somebody needs to show Rose video of Bayless getting to the line
I really think Rose jumps too soon. He needs to hold his dribble longer, and when he feels contact, jump and let out a yell.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
And if Rose was watching the Phoenix/Portland game tonight I hope he was watching Nash. Talk about keeping a dribble alive, that guy is a master.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, i will say that typically bayless exemplifies the absolute worst the NBA has to offer.
guys who cant shoot and dont really finish well around the rim but have the speed to get by their defender and who then launch themselves into big guys and throw up some ugly stuff that doesnt have a prayer of going down. they only play to shoot free throws. bayless and stucky do this constantly, and of course, devin harris has become the master of this crap. compared to this trend superstar calls dont offend me in the least because at least superstars are otherwise awesome anyways.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Bayless can't shoot?
Are you on drugs?
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
Well
He’s 25% from 3. Doesn’t sound like he can shoot to me.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 18, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions
25% from 3 doesn't make him a bad shooter,
that means he just can’t hit the 3
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
gentry hasn't made many mistakes this time around as coach
but he made on last night in trying to cover a hot bayless with dudley. he should’ve risked using dragic, who i believe is ready now. and if he failed similarly (to dudley), his psyche wouldn’t be crushed anyway.
b_edgers will never trade him now, he just had his best career game ever!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
That would be his rookie stat line anyway...
This year he is 36% from 3 and 53% from the floor. He’s also 80% from the line.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
These are ALL very small sample sizes btw...
Look at his college career too if you don’t trust he can shoot. Bayless is deadly.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
well, you might be right here khalid. i hadnt looked at bayless' numbers at 82games
in a couple of weeks and it appears that now he is an ok shooter and good finisher. damn. uh…all i can say now is derrick runs an offense better…maybe… uh….derrick gets double teamed and gamed planned for…derrick,,,,uh…has worse teammates. crap. i even loved his draft interview where he said his goal every game was to “kill” his opponent. shit.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Rose is obviously a better player...
We should never doubt that. It just occurs to me that a guy like Bayless (IE Ben Gordon) would look REALLY good next to him and open up the court for everyone else (including Rose).
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
U know what i always think when people make comments
about so and so being on this team, or how we couldve had some other guys as opposed to the ones we have now…. THIS ORGANIZATION SUCKS
whats to say that bayless wouldnt come to this team and spend his entire rookie contract just riding pine, never getting a chance? What if Miami had drafted rose instead of us, or d’antoni got hold of rose in new york…can we honestly say that the rose we see now would be the same rose if he were on any other team? Can we say that the bayless that played yesterday would ever see the light of day on this team?
That brings me to other topics, like what would kirk look like if he had played for d’antoni instead of duhon, what would tyrus look like on some other team…
Hell what if we had nabbed brandon roy, how much could this team limit him? I often wonder if this bulls team back in the skiles day were over achievers, or if they were simply being held back? Maybe in the case of guys like hinrich you could say they were overachieving, but gordon…maybe he was held back…rose i wanna say is being held back…
If pat riley had rose, he would be getting to the line so often it wouldnt be funny…ive heard scary things about how pat riley liked to condition his athletes…I think wade once had a quote when he said he knew he was ready to come back from his injury because pat riley gave him this test, where wade was pummeled by a bunch of guys with those workout pillows…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Eric Gordon would be perfect!
Now THAT guy is aggressive. Also I love that he can shoot it from deep or take it to the rack and draw fouls. That kid is going to be really good.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
i like him a lot too, he subscribes to the manu ginobli school of thought-- layups,
free throws or 3 pointers, thats all there is.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I agree
When being really good becomes SO predicated on getting to the line, it’s a big problem. I don’t have an issue with the guys that pump fake and make people jump into them, it’s the guys like Stuckey and Harris, who you mentioned, that basically just run into people, that I have a problem with. Unfortunately it is that way, so Rose needs to get better at it. Judging on pure basketball talent alone, anyone can see that he is superior, but these other guys just flail around, it’s pretty weak.
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2009 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
I agree w/ TheMoon
Refs consistently bail out players who make bad offensive plays
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Was I killing Bayless?
I don’t recall being down on him. What bothered me about his game is that he has such great skills getting past his man, but the NBA defense won’t allow him to finish the way he was in High School and at UA. Factor in that he didn’t have a very good jump shot and my projection was that he’d be Ben Gordon lite.
I’m still open to any deals with Portland where Bayless is included. I don’t want to keep him, but I do think he can be a nice addition to a monster trade.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
We had a discussion last year about pre-draft measurements...
You said something to the effect that his small arms and lack of ball handling skills would make him a liability in the NBA. You also mentioned that you only saw him play once at U of A and were relying entirely on what you read. I found that entirely ridiculous, and time has shown that given the minutes he is developing quite nicely into a solid NBA player.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Unless I'm thinking of someone else...
It could have been Alex (RIP), If that is the case then I truly apologize.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 18, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure
I know the arms thing is something I’ve talked about, but the ball handling doesn’t sound familiar. He can’t create by himself without ball handling skills.
I never saw him live as well. I only watched him on TV.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
VDN's post-game comments (from Sam Smith's blog)
"There is concern (about minutes)," conceded Del Negro. "But that is what we have right now. That is what I’m comfortable with. We will have Tyrus back and hope to get Jerome James in there a little bit."
This is a joke, right?
i played 2k10 for the first time few days ago
second guy to come off the bench for vinny was jerome james..
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Dec 18, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope he meant James Johnson
There were lots of intersting things in that article. I especially noted this:
"We came out flat," said Hinrich. "Some of these games the energy in the building isn’t there and as a group we’ve got to be able to create our own energy and we didn’t do that early.
uh yeah...
…forgetting to create your own energy is something a good team with talent does… or, it’s very Pistons-like.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well if Jerome James
Can find that Seattle Magic he had in the playoffs that year….I watched that series as Seattle in that flukey year was one of the more entertaining teams in the league, and wow Jerome James was amazing….
Though of course everyone but Isiah knew it was a mirage…..
Sadly....through thick and thin....
As long as he plays against people with broken legs every game
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I better be James
Johnson, Jerome James is better off to the Bulls in his nice suits
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Jerome James
comes off as a nice guy to me, but he just is not an NBA player anymore. I don’t even think he’s a D-League Player either…
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I agree with the above Piccolmair’s post It was probably more because the knicks suck . We do not have the talent at this point to compete with good teams. We are waiting for this summer mode. However there are some positives. The team is still playing for VDN. Deng, Noah and Rose are playing well. They did beat my most hated team the Knicks. Oh …. and we had a first for this season, Salmons hit a big shot to seal the deal.
Would someone hire an assassin to vaporize Funk and King? Their “the other team sucks” broadcast style is childish , boring and their being paid by the Bulls bias so transparent I could scream. Now to avoid a blowout at the hands of Atlanta.
Wow, Sam, who's watched a lot of basketball, has lost all perspective.
A crisis is passed because they beat Golden State and the New York Knicks. Ugh.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I believe the crisis is whether to keep VDN
I think the crisis would have been if the players just gave up and weren’t playing for VDN. I agree with Sam – the wins seem to indicate the Bulls are still playing for VDN which I believe translates into VDN stays the rest of the season. This doesn’t mean the Bulls are good. I think it just means they are not a total disaster and VDN does not need to be replaced mid-season.
completely agree
Vinny’s the same crappy coach as always. The losing streak of the past few weeks was getting to the point of changing coaches just for the sake of it. Now they’re at least at their accepted level of bad.
Now why would the Org. keep him around just to finish out the season wasting Rose’s 2nd year too? $$ I guess. We suck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 18, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
That's my point.
Maybe they wouldn’t get someone else, but I’m having trouble seeing Rose making tremendous strides this year under the same regime. Maybe it doesn’t change with a new coach. I think they need to try. I think it’s a crisis as long as VDN is coach. Maybe it will be averted with a new coach, but maybe not. It will still be in one if he’s not removed, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's going to be very interesting
how VDN uses TT when TT comes back.
It's criminal that this franchise is wasting a year of Rose's development
Because they don’t want to a pay a new coach and VDN at the same time.
Moreover if they want a 2010 FA (and that’s ostensibly the plan I guess), is waiting until the offseason really they best marketing strategy? Wouldn’t you like to show some FAs a little more stability and planning? Whatever you want to say about the Knicks, at least they aren’t half-assing their commitment to such a plan. They have the space and the coach.
The Bulls meanwhile are willing to waste a year developing the NUMBER ONE pick of last year’s draft and have to scramble to hire someone in time to convince a FA to come to Chicago. This is just idiotic. Unless they simply don’t care.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 18, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I thought that was interesting too
Especially since he spent most of the article destroying the Knicks. They suck! They’re terrible! We beat them, so we’re out of the woods!
I will say that I felt good the Bulls were able to hand tough in the face of any adversity whatsoever. But yeah.
That 2nd half was an awfully long rest for Brad Miller
Did he just not have it going last night?
He played like a coked out Nocioni last night.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He was getting killed
Because D’Antoni kept matching Harrington up with him, and matching a versatile quick gunner with probably the second slowest (behind our Aaron Gray) player in the league was a nightmare….
Then Harrington forgot why he was hitting everything early on because he was (as a 3 really) playing against a prototypical slow defending 5 playing a 4….and Al helped the Bulls win yesterday.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I saw VDN at a resturant last night after the game
He looked spent. I mean he really looked exhausted. I think this job is getting to him.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions
What did the wife look like?
He may have rounded third base.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Tall and blonde
Didn’t see much besides that.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Vivo
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 18, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I actually feel kind of bad for VDN
He’s not a good coach but he’s been given a pretty crappy team as well. This would barely be a .500 team no matter who was coaching.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
i watched on the msg feed
what was funk saying that was so bad?
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Everything
Between Funk and King they add almost nothing to the broadcast.
At least with Frazier you’re getting an English lesson. Who did the MSG play by play?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
im well aware of how bad funk and king are
i was more looking for what specifically terrible things they were saying last night.
also breen did play by play last night.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
Oh was it Breen?
I was going to say that but I couldn’t remember for sure.
Fan of the Chicago Cash Cows formerly known as the Bulls
it was the usual ripping on players from the opposing team
except they took it to a new height with Gallinari. They were basically laughing at him as if he was the worse player they had ever seen. They were just universally ripping the Knicks without ever acknowledging how bad the Bulls were playing. It was embarrassing. If I was a fan of another team, and I heard those two (but especially Funk) trashing the Knicks like that, I would be pissed. At some point they aren’t even calling the game – they are just showing their ignorance about opposing teams, players and the Bulls.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 18, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
They didn't rip
on Lee.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Lets learn our Lesson from the Tyrus-Scott Skiles thing
And not tie VDN directly to Rose’s development. Sure, coaches can help a little here and there, but superstars reveal themselves regardless of who’s in charge. If Rose is one, we should see some of it this season, and not put everything on VDN. And If you’re going to argue that Rose depends on a “system” that VDN can’t provide to be a decent (I mean efficient) offensive player, I would argue that that defense almost puts a serious ceiling on his potential, and resigns itself to lowered expectations.
i only really learned one thing from the tyrus skiles thing, which is the same lesson im learning from
josh smith: give your high-potential guys tons of minutes. thats the only lesson ive gleaned.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Agreed
Let guys play through the mistakes. Tyrus has never been given that opportunity.
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by bigballa10 on Dec 18, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2nd that
We never let our youinf guys to play thru their mistakes, we have weren’t contenders then and were not now. So let these young cats play and learn.
I agree we should allow TT and JJ play thru their mistakes, especially since
the organization allows VDN to coach thru his mistakes which are much more aggrevious than any our young guys could make unless they were intentionally tanking the games.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Dec 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Gibson is a rookie ..who is playing thru mistakes
also unfortunately for the talent on the team, he has the best short range jump shot on the team.
The other guy Deng is also young. Miller really isn’t taking time from TT and JJ.
For some reason mistakes are one thing and attitude is another. I’m just not quite sure whats all going on here with Tyrus.
Likewise the Knicks are a crappy team, played worst than the Bulls. This is sad, two really bad teams. Yet Knick couldn’t score, but Lil Nate Robinson could have come off the bench and if hot would have scorer 20 points quickly??
What gives with Nate Robinson and D’Antoni? jacking up ill adviced 3pt shots? I doubt it..some speculate .. attitude?
But when I think of the pettyness of the Bulls coaching staff and Bulls mgmt I can’t believe wholesome coming from them?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
wow
VDN just might get fired before Lovie Smith. I thought Smith was a dead man walking but rumor has it they are bring him back next season. Bullllllshit.
well actually the way the Bears have been spending money although on the wrong players
and with Cutler in the fold I thought they would be rebuilding with a new staff and what better time than now with such a great number of big coaches available. But hey they only make so much money and who needs fans anyways.
it's Angelo too.
They can hire an OC all they want but they also hired a DL coach and look how thats paid off. I mean maybe they made an under the table deal with Cowher and maybe he waits out next season but I doubt it. I just find this very odd timing and just very small minded. That super bowl season was a fluke called Devin Hester saving everyones asses. The defense was really good and they had a decent offense for half the season. Lovie is bad. Angelo is bad.
Sorry I couldn’t pull off the gas.
Well
I heard that the rest of the coaching staff isnt safe,I wanted turner gone years ago thinking hes the only one fucking up this offense.And im right partly.I think VDN is better than lovie since he actually is starting to make some kind of adjustment.
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