Open Game Thread #24: Bulls vs New York Knicks
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:19 PM CST
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[Sorry! Not sure what happened, I had one scheduled -ed.]]
Go Bulls
Apparently fan posts have to be 75 words long. who knew? Well, the Bulls are currently playing the Knicks. This is as good a chance they have had for a win. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Post your thoughts (and other things) below. Its the dramatic return of Chris Duhon, one of the top point guards currently on the Knicks. A chance to see Al Harrington up close, for those who wanted to trade for him... Is this 75 yet?
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If anyone has a link
it would be appreciated…
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions
www.atdhe.net
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions
sorry
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
*tunes in*
Knicks 18 to 8 with 40 seconds left in the quarter?!?
walks out
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
there's 4:30 left in the quarter
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I misread it.
Anyways, they’re only down 11 now! Joy.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
ew
25-8
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions
Maybe they showed BG on the Gumbo screen
by Camry on Dec 17, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sick of seeing us try to shoot midrange jumpers for entire quarters at a time
just take a fucking three or drive to the basket. This isn’t 1965
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions
and manage to score under 20
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Let's all hope that this exact moment is the low point of the season
because this really blows
Vinny Del OH NO!
NY is buying into the theory that you have to try to win
the Bulls could learn a couple of things
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
And
http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=10092&link=1
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
No "official" game thread today then?
that whats going on here?
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions
I think I choosed a bad game to start watching the Bulls again
Can I say blowout already?
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
when did you stop watching?
if you don’t want to see blowouts, you might want to wait a couple years
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't watch the game agains GS, Boston and only the first half of the game against Lakers
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
this is exciting
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Sarcasm much?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
very much
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
seriously
there is no movement, they aren’t even setting picks
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
they haven't all season
the defense could take a nap if they wanted to
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
RUN, ATTACK, RUN, SHOOT!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
None
VDN special
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
I wish VDN could make the rhombus offense
just because the rhombus is an awesome shape
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Trophy wife or mistress?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
missed it
where?
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'll keep an eye out
with purple and pink hair, huh
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
can't say I'm not already with the show the Bulls are putting on
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
they had 2 days off to practice
and this is what VDN brings out? Fire his ass tonight
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions
that is some interesting D the Knicks are playing
don’t guard anyone past the 3 pt line… Nice
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions
They should make that Welcome to the Madhouse sign interchangeable
so that when the Bulls play it says Welcome to the Mausoleum
Vinny Del OH NO!
Your not mad at the Bulls for putting on this stinkfest?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Gibson....illegal defense....when will he learn
and at what point does earn the “stupid” label
"Vinny think, THINK!" - Some knowledgeable fan
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Dec 17, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions
oh boy has he destroyed his career or what
i mean i honestly thought his guy would become the face of the franchise with continued improvement. but just look at him now….
nice take by Luol
also nice to see the Knicks finally miss some shots
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions
The knicks announcer just said "who will go first:
Lovie Smith of the Bears or Vinny Del Negro of the Bulls"
VDN by a mile
the Bears ain’t going to fire Lovie, although they should
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
did you guys hear the comments players have been making the past few days?
one of the many was Lance Briggs saying how the team misses Rivera… hahah the current guy doing Rivera’s old job is LOVIE!
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
i don't live in Chicago
but I heard Hester talking about the offense making changes. I think they are going to fire Turner, and give Lovie one more year. They owe him to much money. Hope I’m wrong though.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think Lovie is gone after this season.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
gotta love seeing Salmons bring the ball up
and by love, I mean loathe
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions
this is like watching
a And 1 team play a D league team
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions
which is a shame because he's a pretty awful spot-up shooter
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha, right?
he wasn’t always, but he certainly has been this year
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
wow the knicks are dumb
its time to stop shooting 3s
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions
The Bulls are moving the ball well
10 assists in 13 baskets it’s good. Now, they just need to improve their shooting %
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
All this with Rose on the bench...
I don’t like what that will mean to VDN for sure.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
I think you coulda left out the "protecting the rim" part
Vinny Del OH NO!
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 17, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
multiple "Tyruses" ? wouldn't that be Tyri?
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think he was correct the first time. Tyrus's.
Since it’s a proper noun.
Actually we are both right depending on which style you subscribe to.
In AP style, if a proper noun ends in s or an s sound, add an apostrophe only.
1. Chris’ exam scores were higher than any other students.
In Chicago style, if a proper nouns ends in s add ’s.
1. Last year Kansas’s legislature passed a law.
just heard that he might practice tomorrow
not great, but good to hear
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
he is doing light work with the team
no contact yet. about a week or two away
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
luol with 14 and 8 already
New York Knicks, my fantasy team thanks you.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
the new aggressive Rose needs to figure out the difference between
a bad shot and a good shot
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions
I agree
its also a little disappointing to see that he’s taken 13 shots but has yet to take a free throw
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 17, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Instead of ripping the Knicks for taking so many threes
why don’t King and Funk rip on the Bulls for taking so many bad two point shots
Vinny Del OH NO!
LOL I know!
Complaining about a team while they are beating us with those 3s.
Well they are 9-29 on the threes.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
the Knicks shot 29 3s in the 1st half - wow
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions
that is 5 games worth for the Bulls
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's a new NBA record.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
yup
my buddy had a Penny Hardaway authentic one like that
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Easy to see why the Knicks would want Tyrus...
with the revolving door defense they play down low TT could have a serious impact with weak side shot blocking.
Derrick, hey what's up?
You have to force people to foul you
You have to force people to foul you
You have to force people to foul you
You have to force people to foul you
You have to force people to foul you
You have to force people to foul you
All right? Catch ya later.
who is she?
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 17, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
The sideline reporter that was interviewing Mike Wilhelm.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
She also has a good 3-point shot
Sarah Kustok was a guard for the DePaul Blue Demons from 2000 to 2004. Kustok finished her playing career ranked seventh on the all-time three point field goal list at DePaul. She is fourth in all-time three point field goal percentage.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Here she is
http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/talent_anchors
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
hmm says she went to sandburg
i bet she’s related to zak kustok (notre dame or n’western qb a few years back)
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
He's her brother I think.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
She's very cute.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
by sue369 on Dec 17, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
she's from my hometown
she’s several years older though
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
If I told you
I’d have to kill you. :D
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
by sue369 on Dec 17, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is our team full of babies?
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
Everyone always complaining about something or other.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Somebody yelled something at Duhon there...
Probably VDN.
And Brad before the half.
It’s really getting hard to root for these guys.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
lazy pass
that shit should get you a seat on the bench
he screwed up the B Jennings draft big time
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 17, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
thank god the Knicks are selfish
they have been killing the Bulls running pick and rolls with Duhon – a few me first shots kills that momentum!
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
space boots with ankle weights
hahah seriously though, i think he’s got his own signature Adidas, doesn’t he?
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
scream
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 17, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Neil just called Chandler, Jefferies
Get a telescope for his dumbass
by Trey23 on Dec 17, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Joakim jawing at David Lee now...
This team is disgusting.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
Because he got tripped going through the lane...
It’s starting to get really tiresome.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Funk hates on opposing team players a bit too much
especially when our players aren’t doing shit
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, they
were drooling all over Lee n the first half.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
turn on MTV between 9 and 10 during Bulls commercials
you’ll thank me later
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
no, believe me, before hearing about this show, i hadn't watched MTV for any reason whatsoever in about 5 years
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I know it's been said before, but...
it infuriates me when Deng takes those long two-point shots. Can he not take one step back?
'cause Neil Funk would yell at him!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 17, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
What is the added value of taking a shot 1-2 inches inside the 3pt line?
I guess it falls under attacking, being aggressive, and/or hustling
galinari would easily be the most efficient player on the bulls. neil is a piece of shit.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
he's embarrasing himself (further) tonight.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 17, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
when these knick threes start going in again this is going to suck.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
i don't want Harrington either,
but of all the things this team needs, a 3-pt shooter at any position would have to rank near the top
by Daniel Satan on Dec 17, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
and tyrus is gone at the end of the year anyway.
it’s kind of a wash.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry...
They took Curry out in the 1st quarter.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the game is still in doubt
but I don’t know if I even feel like watching anymore. These teams are horrible
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions
i feel bad for knicks fans. their team was starting to play well prior to this game, but the bulls
awfulness is contaigous it seems.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
deng looking like tyreke evans tonight-- tons of close to the basket stuff. derrick? hello?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
had to sign in to say
that neil funk is a POS
why does he feel the need to rip on opposing players so much?
free cheese
mouse in the house
KYP
Dont do him like that
posterize
what are some other “Stacey-isms”?
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 17, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
If you're afraid, buy a dog!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 17, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
SefaLOSHa
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
D'Antoni got caught with his hand in the cookie jar with this lineup.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
Just got in, and had to ask
Gallinari has seriously taken 13 3s this game? In 20 minutes?
Just waiting on some offense....
Yep...
Harrington has shot like 12 too I think.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, just saw that, too
The Knicks are like the anti-Bulls – our guards won’t shoot the 3, their forwards won’t stop.
Just waiting on some offense....
They set a new
NBA record for 3’s shot in the first half.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Rose is easily playing his worst game of the year
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 17, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
things must be bad with the kid since im not really sure if youre right here.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
He does have the sore
muscle from the last game.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
ok, i guess hes playing well then.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
you can't stop Taj
you can only hope to contain him
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions
holy shit, a LEGIT post up and an easy basket!
even if it was duhon, i still gotta ask… am i halucinating?
rose moves well without the ball, i wish hed get to do that more instead of standing outside
the three point line where no one even thinks of taking him seriously.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
hmm, certinly looked like rose got fouled.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I think I'd rather see Taj than Rose or Salmons right now
sadly
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions
Rose simply does not get fould calls
That drive would easliy have been and one for lots of other players
It's bad to type angry
fould=foul
easliy=easily
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
refs reward the consistently aggressive because they instruct the refs, as it were, on how to call the game.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Derrick has been taking it to the rack pretty consistently lately
So I don’t see how “inconsistent aggression” explains the lack of calls on contact
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
it takes time to establish yourself as an aggressive player around the league. derrick needs to
keep attacking with less floaters.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
one of my joys now is anticipating the possibilities for incompetence out of vinnys timeouts.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
the Bulls had a little run going
so VDN wants to call a T.O and ruin the momentum
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahah!!!! i knew it: TO or 24 sec violation!
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
its like clockwork
why would you call a TO after your team has scored twice and has 2 consecutive stops
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
pained groan?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by the way, there is no chance i wont be buying a DWTDD t-shirt soon.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
is jordan hill hurt or something?
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
he's not a D'Antoni type player
if the Bulls do trade Tyrus to the Knicks, i would try to get Hill
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Wow...
His size and hustle would have helped keep Joakim off the glass at least a little tonight… You would think.
I like D’Antoni, but the offense only mentality kind of killed him tonight. 17 point lead in the first… Faded away in a hurry.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
It's hard to judge D'Antoni with the team he has
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
He has Jordan Hill...
Sitting on the bench.
I’m just saying.
He also played Curry… No excuse for that.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
it is kind of unfair to Hill
everyone keeps talking about how awful he is, but he hasn’t even been given a chance. His future in the NBA has always been as a hustle, rebounding, defensive guy. I have no idea why the Knicks picked him
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 17, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Jonathan Bender is also active tonight too.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 17, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
So if the Bulls win this game, VDN is back for a 3rd year, right?
Makes sense if the GS win saved his job this year
It's kind of funny, really
We’re shooting the same percentages – they just have 5 times as many makes and attempts.
Just waiting on some offense....
hopefully they play the Minnesota Lynx next.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
did league pass just stop broadcasting or what?
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
Do you the "Filter Out Boring End Game Free Throws" option set to "on"?
Cause that would explain it
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm happy for Salmons
Been a while since he;’s been productive
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 17, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions
This game was ridiculous...
46 three point attempts?
Bulls coming back after being down by 17 in the first quarter?
Taj Gibson being productive on both ends.
D’Antoni getting out coached by VDN?
The Knicks just gave this horrible game away.
How can we have the worst offense in the league when everything about our team owner and coach is offensive?
new thread.
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