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Reining in the media

The Bulls since MJ left town:

12 years...  5 head coaches...  14 top-sixteen draft picks... 338-554 W-L record.
#1 in the NBA four of the last six years in Operating Income.
0 luxury tax dollars paid.

If this happened with any other team (besides maybe the Cubs, more on that later), the media would tear management apart.  Owners like Al Davis and Donald Sterling have been mocked continuously.  The Bears have three bad seasons and fans call for everyone's head.

But the Bulls, 12 years into one of the worst extended runs in professional sports, continue gliding by with little criticism.  Despite all of Jerry's cheapness, I've seen just two reporters call him out on it.  One works for FanHouse.com, the other for ChicagoNow.  Despite all of Vinny's awful coaching decisions, I've seen just one reporter ask him about his job security, and he works for The Score.

Where is the Tribune?  The Sun-Times?  ESPN1000?  Comcast?  Chicago has plenty of media outlets that have no problem railing on the Bears, but stay quiet when the Bulls screw up worse, and for a longer period of time.

I did a little digging, and found Jerry plays a role in all of this.  Some of this might be already known, but I had no idea until recently:

1) The reason Reinsdorf originally bought the Bulls.  From an SI article in 1997:

"I felt owning the Bulls would help with the White Sox, since it would give me more leverage when dealing with sponsors."

More leverage, hmm.  Let's see how he's played his cards...

2) Reinsdorf and WMVP (ESPN1000)

In 2004, when Jay Mariotti was working for the Sun-Times, he was highly critical of Reinsdorf's management of the White Sox.  Reinsdorf was pissed about it, but as long as Mariotti was working for the Sun-Times, he was powerless to stop it.

But that February, WMVP (the station that aired Bulls games, now known as ESPN1000) gave Mariotti his own morning show.  Reinsdorf wasn't happy, with these quotes from the Tribune:

The chairman of the Sox and Bulls ... thought he had a voice in what airs on WMVP.

Reinsdorf expressed his views through his public relations director, Scott Reifert:

"The thing we question is that they have invested millions of dollars in promoting these teams," Reifert said. "Now they are bringing in somebody who has made it his business to devalue those investments. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective."

One other tiff occurred when Marc SIlverman and Carmen DeFalco interviewed Reinsdorf in April.  Evidently, Jerry expected an interview about Opening Day baseball while the hosts asked about other topics.  Jerry responded with:

''I hope you enjoyed [the interview] because I won't be on with you guys again. You conducted this interview under false pretenses, and you won't get another bite at the apple.''

The merit of the questions aside, the timing of this event and Mariotti's hiring was not great for WMVP, as noted in this Sun-Times article the next day:

"The station is negotiating a new contract with Reinsdorf to retain the broadcast rights for both teams, and the interview won't help"

You know what happened next.  Mariotti was fired in December, prompting this report from the Tribune:

Jay Mariotti is off Chicago’s airwaves, and he says his departure from ESPN Radio’s WMVP-AM 1000 is the result of the station’s desire to curry favor with the White Sox and Bulls.

Mariotti said the station asked him to tone down his criticism of the Bulls and White Sox, whose games are broadcast on WMVP and whose contracts are close to expiring.

In a big fuck you to WMVP, Reinsdorf instead signed a 4-year deal to broadcast games on WCKG, with this lovely quote included:

In conjunction with the move, the Bulls also announced they will be bringing all radio production and sales efforts "in-house." All aspects relating to the production of game broadcasts and the sale of advertising inventory for those broadcasts will be controlled by the team.

The next year, WCKG changed formats, and WMVP brought the Bulls back a year later and continue broadcasting the games today.  They still allow the Bulls to use their own radio team, and (in my opinion as a listener) have dramatically softened their criticism of the team.  Lesson learned.

3) Reinsdorf and Comcast SportsNet

Do you know who owns Comcast SportsNet?  Reinsdorf!

Maybe I'm just naive, but I had no idea.  He owns a 40% stake, with Rocky Wirtz owning 20%, Tom Ricketts owning 20%, and Comcast owning the remaining 20%.  Comcast SportsNet's wikipedia entry mentions that:

Comcast SportsNet Chicago was created so the teams mentioned could have editorial control over their broadcasts, unlike the past 'produced by' arrangements with the now-defunct FSN Chicago.

Weird.  So the entire broadcast (with halftime and postgame analysis) is produced by the Bulls.  And the entire radio broadcast is produced by the Bulls.  When Jason Goff wondered why his VDN job security question was "deemed inappropriate by Mark Schanowski and Kendall Gill" it's because Schanowki and Gill work for Reinsdorf.

Speaking of Comcast...

4) Reinsdorf and the Tribune

We know KC Johnson is often featured on Comcast's pregame broadcasts.  But he's also often featured on another Comcast show: Chicago Tribune Live.  The city's biggest newspaper has a show on Reinsdorf's channel.  Add to it that the Tribune company was also a part owner in Comcast with Reinsdorf for years, and that Sam Zell (the Tribune's previous owner) was a part owner of the White Sox prior to his Cubs purchase, and there's reasons galore for a pro-Bulls bias.

Who knows what happens now that the Tribune sold its Comcast share to Ricketts.  There's still plenty of JerryMoney floating in to keep them on their best behavior, but maybe (hopefully) this will signal a slight diversion.

Others...

I couldn't find anything directly connecting Reinsdorf and the Sun-Times or Daily Herald or The Score, which could partially explain the support for McGraw and Goff in these parts.

Overall

This post along with Mind of Dorf isn't so much to argue that Reinsdorf is the reason for the Bulls failures (Pax and Skiles and VDN all deserve blame), but Reinsdorf is the reason why things have been so slow to turn around.  

When you fail to pay the luxury tax, fail to bring in a proven coach, fail to extend your players, and play the media so that 1) your production team covers all local TV and radio broadcasts, 2) you own the biggest stake in your city's local sports channel, and 3) you have in's with the city's biggest sports radio station and 4) newspaper... there's very little incentive to get your shit in gear, especially as the money continues to pour in.

In the meantime, send Jason Goff some praise.  It's pathetic that only one reporter is willing to ask tough questions, but I want him to know he's got support among the fans.  Hopefully Thonus continues to be critical of the organization as well.

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Excellent read.

I was aware that Jerry had some control of the media, but seeing it in writing like this really makes it hit home. He can do what he wants and not have to get the public hammering that usually goes along with losing like this. Good deal for Jerry, for us, not so much. It also doesn’t help that for the most part, the Bulls are the fourth most popular franchise and has the least die-hard fan base. This sucks.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Dec 14, 2009 5:46 PM CST reply actions  

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

YaoPau superior research ...

Pulitzer award!

I have recently been feeling like this organization is run similiar to the NAZIs, or the Chinese government..

It’s appauling how everyone owned by Reinsdorf talks hush-hush as this Bulls product is so shitty.. And the brainwash marketing campaigns are busting the commercial continuously during the games as the Bulls are being blown out by 25 and 35 points?

1) “Love it Live” campaigns
2) “You gotta support your Chicago Bulls” brainwash campaigns

For crying out sake ..when will this farce end!

"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions  

uh oh, godwin's law

“Through thick and thin. Thick! and Thin!”

by YaoPau on Dec 14, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Retracted ... thanks for education

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"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

12 years... 5 head coaches... 14 top-sixteen draft picks... 338-554 W-L record.

“through thin and thinner. Thin! and thinner!” baby you gotta love it live and support your chicago bulls … you suckers!

"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 15, 2009 5:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Even worse they read about game ticket packages during a 29 point blowout!

Thats fucking criminal. They are getting blown out and they are selling shit!

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks!

Great reading and very informative.

by diedaily23 on Dec 14, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

it just really sucks that

JR is an evil genius and that an owner’s idea of success is very different from the fans.

by diedaily23 on Dec 14, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

atleast he doesnt own blog a bull

… or does he?

"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"

by Faizamaze on Dec 14, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions  

lol

interesting…

"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He will once a reasonable offer is made to Matt...

I thought the whole reason he started this blog was to eventually get hush money for Jerry.

by Bulls Mouthpiece on Dec 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

indeed!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Jesus.

When will this nightmare end? I thought the Bulls might win a ring in the next 15 years…but it might have to be changed to whenever JR dies.

by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 14, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

at least he's kinda old.

does he have any sons named Rocky?
i know he has one named Kurt…

by M 80 on Dec 15, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

YaoPau did you mention Sam Smith?

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

I think he owns Dan Bernstein as well.

I have notice that when callers blame Bernstein he ignores them. I think his ‘Bulls guy’ is JR.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he ignores them because

a)a lot of his callers are dumb and b) because he believes that since we don’t have Lebron James, the Bulls are irrelevant, as we have no chance of winning the championship. That said, they do talk some Bulls on B&B, it’s just limited to discussions about Rose and Vinny’s idiocy, as those are really the only two things worth talking about.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.

by dakoose on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah well the whole thing is dumb but it's addicting dumb.

Still I don’t trust his Bulls people.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure if they are controlling those other outlets

then they certainly control bulls.com

"It hurts, man. All losses hurt."-Joakim Noah

by bigballa10 on Dec 16, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

beautiful post

rec’d 100x because lets face it…when the biggest guy in the organization doesn’t care, nobody cares. by the way, i don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but Aaron Gray’s Facebook status is “Tyrus Thomas is cleared to practice. its good to have him back”

by Rose1 on Dec 14, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

nobody cares is the theme

tie shoes no pressure, row the ball to mid court with 3 seconds score 3pts..

this assembled team is really bad, the the two bogus plays happened against the two captains.

These guys like Deng and Kirk are average joes who have not much fighter instinct within. Deng can score 18ppg but never really was paramount in the winning of any games, nothing is different. How could Paxson and Gar not notice this? I doubt they really are fans of the Bulls?

Could it be Paxson and Gar are so beat down by the organization that they also don’t really care. Just as everyone else in media controlled by Dorf is also. Maybe nobody really cares anymore? Pete Myers, to John Paxson to Kendall Gill to Stacey King ..everyone looks like they are in it just to collect a Dorf pay check! Stacey King recently said.. if he won that recent lottery (over 100 million) he would be out of here? Can you imagine Johnnie Red Kerr ever having this attitude! Kerr love this team, but his heart couldn’t take it any longer.

Del Harris? did he really retire? or just couldn’t take any more of this farce organization? … He is presently assistant coaching with the NJ Nets! Sounds like retirement or just wanted the hell out of Chicago! This organization is blackballed.. I’m convienced now.

Maybe Harris doesn’t have to put up with BS and manupulation of a Dorf and his puppet management office?

"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Reinsdorf is evil.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks, YP...

I really appreciate your detailed reporting of our teams management maneuverings..

As a fan, it helps to know just what the big picture is. Too bad the goal is not to win the most games possible.

The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan

by Envy on Dec 14, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Great post, I knew things like this happened, bit I didn’t know the extent. The Bulls are basically run just like our city is run, no wonder why they both consistently fail to get things done in a manner that benefits the average person (or fan).

by RyPac13 on Dec 14, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

First off Mariotti sucks so who cares? Secondly, JR will spend money but he doesn’t spend wisely. He’s still paying Skiles off….paid Kirk, Deng and Noc to sizeable contracts so yeh he will spend money but he doesn’t spend the money the right way or on the right players.

by C Smoove on Dec 14, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions  

The point isn't whether you like Mariotti or not.

It’s that someone was vocal and because he was vocal he was silenced by the JR MACHINE! This post is fucking gold. Don’t you get it?

Yes he spends money.. but only on people he likes. Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich and thats why BG is playing in Detroit right now. He doesn’t care about wining. He has silenced the people who criticize him. He thinks he is above us. He would spit on our graves.

WE WILL ONLY WIN A TITLE IF HE SELLS THIS ORGANIZATION TO A WINNER! Or buckles to the masses and spends it on winners. I don’t see the latter happening do you? You think he’ll pay an ass-clown like LeBron James? Not that he would even come here so I guess it moot but you get the point.

Once you realize the truth then you’ll start to realize they aren’t the Chicago Bulls they are Jerry Reinsdorf’s cash cows.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cash Cows

That’s a great nickname

"It hurts, man. All losses hurt."-Joakim Noah

by bigballa10 on Dec 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

That's not really spending money. Most basketball teams spend in that amount.

the great thing about being a big market, and thus having greater revenue, is that when you spend poorly, you can spend more to cover the mistake. When you’re the Yankees and Kei Igawa blows, you can spend money on C.C. Sabathia. When you’re the Bulls and spend money poorly on Nocioni or Ben Wallace, you can still afford (literally, because some teams just can’t) to spend on keeping your talent like Ben Gordon around. And before i get the, “but Gordon would have hurt their cap” excuse, how often have other big market teams like Boston, NYK, La Lakers, Dallas, Houston, etc. etc. been under the salary, and they’ve stayed pretty good.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 14, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

LA is over the cap I thought. Big time.

Houston is filled with try hard players. Dallas has cuban.

We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh

by SoulEater7 on Dec 14, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my point.

A team doesn’t need to stay under the cap to get better.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 14, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

8-10 million dollar contracts over 4-5 years may be large, but in the grand scheme of things they aren’t really large.

We rank dead in the middle of spending in the NBA, 15th I believe, yet we are making the most money (we as in the people that own the Bulls) in the NBA. Those two numbers need to come closer together.

by RyPac13 on Dec 15, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully (Reinsdorf) doesn't find out where you work either...

He’ll pull out the checkbook… and Yao’s be preaching another sermon tomorrow :-)

"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

*Outstanding* blog post

Great work compiling all of this information.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

I'M BACK MOFOS!!

Great post! This is the pain i suffer as both a Sox AND Bulls fan! “Jerry i love you!” (SLAP!) “I hate you!” (SLAP!) “I love you AND i hate you!” (SLAP!)

"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta

by The Red Menace on Dec 14, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

great work there, pal

awesome read. Did you make copies of this post and drop them all over the United Center yet? If not, you really should.

"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2

P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy

by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 AM CST reply actions  

In a sick way i almost admire him.....

Most men crave money, power and respect; Jerry is all about the money and power. Respect?! Meh…..

"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta

by The Red Menace on Dec 15, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes!
I couldn’t find anything directly connecting Reinsdorf and the Sun-Times or Daily Herald or The Score, which could partially explain the support for McGraw and Goff in these parts.

This organization is a hoax. The fans need to wake up but the problem is a handful of fans are just wealthy people with nothing to do and don’t really care or it’s cooperate bullshit. Dorf has more control over this than he’s ever had. It’s pretty unbelievable! Very mafia like.

by SoulEater7 on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

Corporate Bullshit

The UC is as much of a tour attraction as Navy Pier.

by Bulls Mouthpiece on Dec 15, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

We can complain about Jerry all we want....

But he hasn’t been criminally cheap….I mean we’re at the luxury tax threshold….and the last time we had money to spend we went for it with the dud of Ben Wallace…

I am annoyed that BG left for nothing, but from an owner’s perspective, Jerry’s held a tough line at a ton of money, we’re at the threshold at $69M for a crappy team…

I get that we’re a bigger market and should spend at x, instead of 14th int he league, but we have no all stars, our budding superstar is in a rookie deal, and we’re structured poorly….

Complaining about him wanting to increase his bottom line is a bit much….it’s frustrating, I’m about as big a Bulls fan as there is and would LOVE to see Jerry go….but he’s not spending nothing for the garbage we’re getting….

I just wish that since he’s towed the line on the salary level until we get a superstar/can compete, that a season like this would would lead to him firing the guys responsible for spending his money as poorly as they’ve spent it.

I get that we should do more….we should….but hey from an owner’s perspective there’s nothing wrong with him leveraging what he has….it’s a business after all…..

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Dec 15, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

you missed the discussion where signing wallace was actually a saving of money

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I missed it again I guess

Cuz I don’t see what you’re saying….

But either way at the time it was clear Ben Wallace big time over Tyson Chandler….

I was a big Chandler fan but am really disappointed that save for an 18 month window in NO—and a 4 month in 2004-2005 in Chicago…he never really came close to hitting his potential….

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Dec 15, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I went through the Paxson years

to figure out who deserves what blame, and you’re right in a way. Reinsdorf really only came into play when we gave away Crawford, Chandler, Gordon, and soon Tyrus for nothing (and of course the D’Antoni/VDN debacle). That’s pretty significant, but those aren’t the main reasons the Bulls suck. Paxson carefully developed his young guys (Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Duhon, Nocioni), raised their perceived value to the astronomical level that the media thought those guys could be packaged for Kobe (now a ridiculous notion), and then instead of packaging them, he just extended them. Instead of getting a star, we were left with three huge contracts for B- and C-level players. Add in the Wallace signing, and things got ugly fast.

So yeah, when you talk about not having stars worth paying for, I blame Paxson. Skiles benching Tyrus and Thabo behind Malik Allen and Adrian Griffin didn’t help.

But sports is different than most other businesses, because customers consume it as a recreational activity. And when a recreational activity is run as a profit machine, it becomes hard for me to cheer for. The same applies to niche bands who sell out, news organizations who become tabloidy, TV shows that start running in-show ads, etc etc etc.

All I really want from the Bulls is the sense that they’re trying hard to win. It doesn’t take much, and I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if it’s at all close. But 12 years into this! And the stadium’s still filled! You’d think after the hundreds of millions Reinsdorf has made from this crap, he’d go “alright, fine, I’ll pay the luxury tax this one year, cause seriously, this sucking thing is bullshit and I want to win.” But he doesn’t.

by YaoPau on Dec 15, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I totally get all your points

I totally get it and your post was absolutely fantastic (one of the best of BaB nominee’s if you ask me)….

And I hate that the entertainment that fans and tax payers help fund is a business to line the greedy pockets of a man who’s first love is his mostly ridiculously crappy baseball team (Save for the 1 total fluke year)….

But I am just playing a bit of devil’s advocate…

Personally I’d be more ok with Jerry’s fine line for a non competing team if after the team busts for the 2nd time in 4 years he’d fire the GM(s) responsible…

Get a new GM, if that new GM wants Vinny to go, have him go too, but make a management change. THis JR saying Pax is great while the team sucks garbage is sickening…

Sadly....through thick and thin....

by majoyenrac on Dec 15, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd boil it down to a couple of things:

1. It’s not that they haven’t spent money, they’ve spent it poorly.
2. While they spend, they are unwilling to spend any more to cover for mistakes. They’ll sell productive product lines with futures because they’re locked into paying unproductive product lines.
3. At the top, they appear to get personal, being vindictive and disrespectful to some folks and overly loving of others. Generally with little rhyme or reason.
4. The third point leads to a general lack of accountability within the organization.
5. Their past success and the general rising tide of the NBA has reduced the accountability they feel to the folks that buy their product.

by Sports2 on Dec 15, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

not even sure Pax deserves blame for Kobe and the extensions*

*not my motown tribute band of the same name

Reports were that Pax opted out of the extension talks because agents are mean. So Gar Foreman (and cap wizard Irwin Mandel) and ’dorf were the ones who handled those. Or at the very least the Luol Deng one.

Maybe Pax’s biggest flaw is that he doesn’t really want the job in the first place?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, i really wonder why in the world Pax is still around...

since, ya know, he’s not around. Management needs a clean sweep and fresh start and we’re not going to get that from Dorf…

by smash! on Dec 15, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

*gulp*
But sports is different than most other businesses, because customers consume it as a recreational activity. And when a recreational activity is run as a profit machine, it becomes hard for me to cheer for.

That’s a hard line for me to read. And you’re right.

How can Reinsdorf wear the profit hat one night and the patron saint of the basketball arts the next night?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 15, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yao, this is one of the finest fanposts I've read on a sportsblog.

And it depresses the bejesus out of me.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

Hey man.

If this Jerkoff manages to sign Lebron and Bosh next season, then all is forgiven. I know, i know just let me dream.

"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta

by The Red Menace on Dec 15, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I could see joe Johnson because of his agent.

He liked Ben Wallace because of his agent as well. Boo

by SoulEater7 on Dec 15, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

(unless that’s changing this year coming up, and I’m late to the party on that one)

by dougthonus on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh yes, I don't follow the Sox

didn’t even think to check their radio broadcasts. That explains the other reporters’ comments towards Goff about being careful what you ask. I’m guessing we won’t be hearing many tough questions from Goff in the near future…

by YaoPau on Dec 15, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Word.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 15, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, did we all forget about Reinsdorf purchasing the most prominent Bulls writer in Chicago history?

Sam Smith is on the company payroll too ;-)

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Oh

and rec’d YaoPau, for your consistently brilliant analysis.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Read

YaoPau man you nailed it. The truth hurts, the only way this will change is when people stop coming to the games and pockets get hurt. But great research on this man, can you do me a favor and find out who really killed Pac and Biggie.

by Bullsfanla on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

MSM is dying and irrelevant

MSM is a bunch of old white dudes, not exactly the NBAs demo. Online is where the best NBA coverage is, realized that when the Sonics were being ganked from Seattle and the only national coverage was from blogs.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Dec 15, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

I don't value anything Mariotti says

and fine if Reinsdorf used his power to punish him. I don’t think Mariotti’s any kind of standard of accountability, he just had an axe to grind with ’dorf and he was a Jordan jocksniffer.

And Reinsdorf having stake in these media outlets is pretty well known, and having house men doing the games is par for the course. So I don’t think he’s taking an active role in silencing criticism.

But it all does add up, and your premise that a team that’s failed this much and operates in this way would normally be taken to task far more often. I wonder if that is not as much Reinsdorf’s power as it is apathy, both by the sports fandom in the city with the media following suit.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

APATHY

The audience has really shrunk. I’m talking the hardcore fans like us. My teen years were the Jordan years and that’s how I became a hardcore BULLS fan. I’ve seen 99.9% of the games since the MJ era.

A lot of folks just aren’t into the Bulls as much. And the media reflects it. There is minimal talk about the NBA in general, too. The general fan knows very little about the league in this town.

by Trey23 on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, you hit the nail on the head

the Bulls are sold in this town as a “live experience” not as a basketball team that’s worth a damn. No one really cares; the corporations buy up all the suites and lower-level tickets while the regular Chicagoan goes to the obligatory 1-2 games a year (with the occasional 11 game plan for some). There are very few hardcore Bulls fans in this town (compared with the 10 million that live in the metro area at least) and most of them are on this site. There’s some that are content to comment over on Sam’s blog at Bulls.com (and they are good fans, too) but they’re just a little blissfully ignorant or misinformed.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 15, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Direct the those Sam Smith readers here

Bulls.com be damned. If they are misinformed there is the BAB medicine.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I have on a couple times..

but then again I don’t want a bunch of idiots clogging up the threads here either.. so if it seems like there are people over there who would contribute something worthwhile to this blog then I usually direct them here.

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 16, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, we survived the Yahoo! partnership

for the most part.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 17, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a great post

And it’s even better that I can read it on one of the few sites that actually are carving their way out of fan Shawshank for crimes they never committed – irrational passion for their chosen teams.

This also raises a question. What interest was Reinsdorf seeking in joining a group to buy the Phoenix Coyotes?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Dec 15, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

WE GOT YOU FIGURED OUT DORF!!!

NOW WE’RE COMING FOR YOU! WE ROASTING PIG FOR DINNER!MMMMMMM

by SoulEater7 on Dec 16, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions  

Great post once again

Out of all of that though I think the most telling thing is point #1. The reason he bought the team is to help with the White Sox. This team is making plenty of money and therefore he is accomplishing his goal.

To be honest, I really don’t have a problem with him saying that he won’t go over the tax for a team that isn’t a contender so much as I do with his random meddling. He is the owner and it’s his money so the tax thing I can understand. What’s far worse is him getting involved to overpay Ben Wallace and Luol Deng and jumping in the D’Antoni hiring. That and wasting spots on guys like Pargo, Hunter and Gray to fill out the roster are much bigger reasons that this team sucks.

"It hurts, man. All losses hurt."-Joakim Noah

by bigballa10 on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

In all fairness,

it is Bulls.com. Attacking the Bulls on their site is one thing, but attacking the owner of the Bulls on his own site goes a little far. Would you let someone put posters on your lawn that directly attacked you?

by runningman on Dec 17, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends

If I presented my lawn as a public space for airing opinions, then yeah.

Like, Matt gets a fair amount of shit from people here on occasion, and he lives with it. Having run a site like this myself, I’ve taken similar criticism, occasionally at ridiculous levels. But short of weird, stalkerish behavior or breaking other obvious rules, one generally lets it go.

by Sports2 on Dec 17, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

OTOH, bloggers (or websites) make their most money, if any, from people visiting their site.

Controversy is good in that sense. Or at least not detrimental. People talking smack about Reinsdorf on his site can do little but make his financial situation worse, if it’s even affected all.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 17, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulls.com would appear to make money from people visiting it

It’s festooned with ads from Verizon, AT&T, Kia, WGN and Ticketmaster.

So if the controversy keeps people coming back… and in my experience running arguments and the crapulence of ownership do… it’s probably not that bad.

I’m not saying it’s good… I just don’t know how it’s different that other sites. People talking smack about Matt can do little but make his financial situation worse too. The difference is there doesn’t seem to be much legitimate smack on Matt, and he probably only stands to lose about six cents anyway.

by Sports2 on Dec 17, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I never troll posted or anything like that

I would normally only post once or twice on each blog — and it would be profanity-free, not-too-angry rants that usually linked to an article on BaB such as this one or a fanshot or a Forbes article showing how much money JR was pulling in (hehe).

I’m not saying that I’m THAT surprised they took them down — actually I think it kind of helps the cause. The very next thread they had over there I pointed out to all those people that comments were closed off on the other threads where I posted (unfortunately I think they shut that one down at this point too, haha).

Anyone pumped to watch “the one that got away” coach against us tonight?

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure it does make money, but it's just not near as large of a part of the revenue.

Ads are for a blog/message board. Not for the franchise. The difference in site hits might mean a couple of thousand a month, at most. That would be huge for a smaller site, but pennies to the Bulls profit as a whole. On the other hand, if he values his ego, he might not want anyone talking bad about him. At all.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

But what do I know?

I’m just sorta brain-storming.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Dec 18, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you broke Sam's blog...

From the looks of it, they’ve removed comments from every article. Sam can’t be happy considering this comment from the press release announcing his blog:

I hope to make Bulls.com the place to come for NBA and Bulls information and discussion.

Now there’s BullsConnect.com, which is linked at the bottom of every article. It launched a month and a half ago, but it looks like they just recently made the decision to move ALL discussions over to there.

by YaoPau on Dec 17, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

scratch that

They’re all up again. I’m not sure what happened there :)

by YaoPau on Dec 17, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, they're all back up now?

I haven’t gone over there since yesterday evening :-(

I was really hoping I got under their skin…

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Read

Thanks! The Bulls plight will continue it seems as long as Dorf lives. Im not sure how old he is but he is overweight cutting into his life expectancy. I am a glass is half full type of guy you know.

The Dude Abides

by Savage23 on Dec 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Be careful YaoPau. I like what you are saying but

As Nicky Santoro once said, “There are a lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes.”

by MrBungle on Dec 17, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

LOL, that's awesome

"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak

by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 17, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

As I think about Reinsdorf, he has never hired a smart GMs for Bulls

Only puppets, but even while a puppet is the number #2 guy in command, as long as we have had a smart tough **(coach) the team was more tolerable…. Therefore if the puppet does well, then the GM is able to control pulling of some of his own strings

  • (Phil Jackson and Skiles)

I believe he would hire a the right smart guy if available and Dorf felt kinship with him? Ken williams seems to be a smart tough guy, Paxson is just plainly not smart in basketball entertainment and a poor judge of talent and Krause was aloof yet had a sincere eye for recognizing talent in players and coaches, yet his ego was his demised.

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by exult463 on Dec 18, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

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