Trade Deng and Noah for Al Jefferson?
by PoorDick on Dec 14, 2009 8:41 AM CST
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Hello, Bulls fans. I posted this idea a few days ago at the TWolves site Canis Hoopus, and wanted to get your thoughts on the idea of sending Deng and Noah to the Wolves for Al Jefferson.
While this season hasn't started out quite the way you liked it, keep in mind that fans of many teams (Wolves included) would likely trade their club's future for that of the Bulls. You have a likable group of young players, and those of us small-minded enough to wish for misfortune for the Celtics enjoyed what your team did to them in that epic playoff series.
Minnesota needs perimeter defense and scoring as much as the Bulls seem to need a guy who can get his own shot down low. Hopefully this trade would improve both teams, while burdening neither with larger/longer contracts than they already have.
A couple of things:
- Please forgive me if it appears that I have undervalued the skills of Deng and Noah--I don't see them as much as you do. Plus, like most fans, we tend to overvalue our own players worth relative to players on other teams. Thankfully, Wolves fans have Blazers fans who helpfully come to CanisHoopus and blast us every time we have the audacity to infer that Rudy Fernandez isn't the second coming of Walt Frazier.
- Any need that the Bulls have for a player like Al Jefferson would obviously diminish if/when Chris Bosh signs with the Bulls. But for the time being, the trade would guarantee a low post scorer and rebounder for the Bulls, with lots of room left over to add talent at other positions.
- If you don't like the trade, what else could be added to make the deal work?
I've re-created the poll as part of this post. Feel free to weigh in below with your thoughts, and good luck the rest of the season.
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You could have Deng for Jefferson, but you’re sure as shit not getting Noah.
by Sports2 on Dec 14, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
i'd demand
picks and the rights to ricky rubio to go along with the trade. I forget how long rubio has in spain, (4 years??) if rose isn’t where we want him to be we can slide him over to the 2 or have him come off the bench. In any case I don’t like the trade.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I'd do the trade.
Jefferson would give us a post up threat who could play PF or Center.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 14, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions
And take away all of the Bulls' defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Defense hasn't been that great anyways.
During the the last 12 games, Bulls are 2-10 and are absolutely getting killed with points in the paint.
In the end It’s worth paying a little more when you can get a post player that can demand a double team.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, let me explain in more detail
Noah is pretty much just a non-starter because we need a
For us, I’d happily trade Deng straight up for Al.
I’d give up even more for Kevin Love…
by Sports2 on Dec 14, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it was the 80’s I never thought of him as an icon too much though. (then again the french men are having trouble winning their own tournament)
He's one of the biggest celebrities in France, even to this day. He's now...
a Reggae star there today. Seriously. He’s huge. So the “icon” is appropriate if we’re talking about Europe I guess.
no noah
and i think the wolves would need to include a guard, because salmons would move over to the 3 and kirk into his spot. pargo/hunter should not be our exclusive backups.
and then we could send something else back in return, i dunno.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Switch out Noah for Tyrus and I'd do it (especially since TT is gone anyway).
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions
The Wolves need a center
if AlJeff leaves, so including TT wouldn’t get the deal done from their side (without involving another team).
Have you heard of the White Panther aka Arron Gray?
Rumor is he played center how about him?
by MilkThenClear on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's sad that it's conceivable, meaning Deng's contract is so bad
they would probably have to include Noah to get rid of it.
But I wouldn’t.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 14, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions
I would do either Deng or Noah for Jefferson
but not both. Jefferson hasn’t been playing that great since he came back from injury, plays little to no defense, and shoots a pretty low percentage for a post player. I think he is more valuable than either, but the combination of losing both would hurt the Bulls too much.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 14, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions
He's also a bit of a black hole (though his AST% has been steadily climbing through his career), which makes his low shooting percentage even more damning
because he’s not making things easier for teammates through his post work. His career TS% of 53.5% is pretty piss poor for a player of his size and skills on the block. Granted, he’s got pretty high USG%, but still, you’ve got to do better than that.
Then, of course, there’s the health issues. I would definitely not trade Noah in any deal for him (especially because their games are largely complementary). I’d trade Deng for him in a heartbeat, though. Wings are easier to find than 7 footers with skills.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 14, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
How's about the Bulls duck out of the 2010 sweepstakes
Bulls trade: Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons, Jerome James
TWolves trade: Al Jefferson, Damien Wilkens
Let’s be realistic. If we come out of 2010 with a 25 year old scoring big man, we’re doing well. So let’s get one now.
1- Rose, Hinrich, Hunter
2- Hinrich, Wilkens, Pargo
3- Deng, Wilkens
4- Al, Taj
5- Noah, Miller
For the TWolves, it’s a salary dump, but with the face-saving upside that of Tyrus and the somewhat competent John Salmons
I can't imagine the TWolves trading Jefferson for that pile of hot garbage without getting some picks.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 14, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
You are correct in that assumption
Wolves fans like Deng, but not his contract. They love Noah, as long as somebody on the perimeter + Love can pick up the loss of scoring that will happen if Al Jefferson isn’t on the team.
And we’re pretty good on the picks, too—we need some of them to pay off more than we need more of them.
give 'em to 'em. or something to them.
They need a center after that
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Facts about the TWolves
- They’re on pace for an 11 win season.
- They’re in a relatively small market
- They have a talented player on a rookie contract who does basically the same thing as Jefferson at 1/3 the cost.
- Their fans are suggesting trades of Jefferson for a guy with one of the league’s worst contracts.
they were playing pretty well
before jefferson was hurt. i’d keep the similar players for now and build through the multiple draft picks. use the cap space wisely. a stretch 4/5 that can block shots could be good for their front court. or wait a few years and make an offer to noah!
distinctly unimpressed by the new gm’s draft performance so far…
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Well...
Folks here can attest that I had a major woody for Ty Lawson before the draft. And I wasn’t much of a fan of Flynn (I will say he’s looking like an interesting player).
I didn’t see much value to the Wizards trade, especially after Rubio’s drafting and non-signing got botched. And I think Miller was a pretty solid player. Foye was adequate depth. Maybe Rubio works out, but I looked at that section of the draft and just didn’t think it made sense to move up.
So ok, what do I do?
1. Not made the trade with the Wiz.
2. I probably would have taken Curry because I thought he rated out ok and brings a lot of skills.
3. Taken Lawson at 18.
4. In that light, I don’t think signing Sessions would have made sense
5. I wouldn’t touch Ryan Hollins with a 10 foot pole.
6. I don’t really object to anything else they’ve done.
So I’d be looking at
1- Lawson, Curry
2- Curry, Foye, Brewer
3- Miller, Brewer (def more of a 3 in my mind), Gomes
4- Love, Gomes, Cardinal
5- Jefferson, Blount, Jawai
Might have signed another big guy for depth. Heh, but not Joe Smith.
Not bad
(you’re not Fred Hoiberg, are you?). The Wiz trade was about cutting bait on Foye and Miller. Every time Foye missed an open man or clanked off a long jumper it was a reminder that the Wolves had BRoy in their mitts, and gave him up for a too-small combo guard. Miller somehow came to think he was a point forward, rather than the 3 point bomber/decent rebounder we thought we were getting.
I liked Lawson and Curry, too, but that’s a mighty small backcourt you’re fielding there, with not much interior defense to back them up. Curry apparently interviewed with the Wolves claiming to be a point guard, and the Wolves didn’t have a lot of confidence in him in that role. Flynn apparently wowed them in workouts and interviews.
The way things went down, Sessions ended up being his best move so far (although the Flynn Experiment is still going on, and Sessions may be moved yet this season). Hollins was a low risk signing, and man, did they need a big man with some hint of athleticism.
So, they’re screwed, at least for the near term (and maybe longer). It’s good to have Love back, but it’s disheartening that they perform well only when players like Wilkins and Gomes have good nights.
Thanks... yeah, it'd be a small backcourt and a small team in general
I’m a big believer in talent and skill levels. I’ll give size to get guys who can run, pass, shoot, and follow directions. The TWolves really needed one of the two guys who went right before their pick; Harden or Evans.
As it stands, it does seem to me that Flynn is getting better.
The "playing pretty well"
was a mirage. Weak cheese opponents, and Randy Foye playing up to expectations, however so briefly. Even the Wolves fans who wanted to believe weren’t quite printing up the playoff tickets just yet.
all summer their was talk about struggling NBA franchises
I would think Minnesota would be a prime team looking to dump salary to save money. They are terrible, with or without Jefferson. They desperately need wing help. And with the Vikings getting even more attention than usual, I think if any NBA team is losing money, they would be at the top of the list.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hometown owner
is a billionaire who isn’t afraid to spend some money, if the wins come with it (both his strength, and his weakness). They are losing money, but aren’t nearly as desperate as the Pacers/Kings, etc. I think they’ll see what comes of the next two years, try to get Rubio and a Top Ten FA to go with Love, AlJeff, and this year’s top threeish draft pick.
Also, the Wolves
are a team that as it stands, will be well under the cap for the foreseeable future, so no salary dump is necessary (at least, for cap clearing purposes).
Don't understand the Noah love
Zero offense other than offensive rebounds (because no one on the team can shoot and no one else can rebound) and he’s unselfish; and the Bulls are getting killed by virtually every center that plays against us.
This still isn’t a good trade for the Bulls though—two starters for one. But Noah isn’t untouchable, at least in my eyes.
How about
he’s averaging a double-double, tied for 10th in the league for DD?
he’s had five 15+ rebound games?
he’s #4 in rebounding, #7 DRPG, #ORPG?
he’s #15 in blocks?
Maybe its that he seems to be the only one who gives a shit.
Any one of those is probably good enough reason.
All of them together ceratinly are.
by torch on Dec 14, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
#1 reason
Maybe its that he seems to be the only one who gives a shit.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Some counterpoints
Noah has been the only bright spot for this dreadful season, but he still is not a good offensive player, isn’t on the floor at crunch time, and is getting scored on easily by just about every marginal center we play (Oden, Bogut, etc.). I think the only guys that he really dominated this year were Hawes and Tyson Chandler.
He was not a good rebounder until this season. Granted, that’s due to a number of factors, including his getting in shape and being committed compared to this time last year (which you have to give him credit for) but also because with Tyrus out we literally do not have another guy on the team who can rebound and we cannot shoot at all. But he is getting a lot of those misses.
He is unselfish and a hustler, but he doesn’t have the talent of Al Jefferson. From where we are now, we need A LOT more talent on this team. Noah is a great #4 or #5 player on a good team but he’s a bad #1 or #2.
Just an update
After playing arguably the best front court in the league, Noah is now:
still averaging a double-double,
up to six 15+ rebound games
- in rebounding, #7 DRPG, #5 ORPG
- in blocks.
Still gives a shit.
noah's not untouchable to me
but i don’t believe al jefferson in the post is any more a savior than ben gordon on the perimeter. or both, necessarily. and kinda for similar reasons: real good players, but somewhat easy to defend because they don’t make the defense pay for their traps. in jefferson’s case, his passing out of the double team has always been an issue.
noah’s flaws get ignored here even more than derrick’s, and i think the possibility of derrick improving his d, learning to run screen roll, drawing fouls, and shooting threes all top noah learning to shoot like marcus camby. (hope i’m wrong, of course)
maybe he can learn a bit more of the low post game too, but noah basically has pluses everywhere jefferson has minuses. the problem (as with all the bulls) is he’s not being utilized to his strengths effectively.
i wanna see the team as assembled coached well and playing well and competing. if you bring in jefferson, it’s a whole new plan.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Did you just say Gordon was somewhat easy to defend?
Why haven’t opposing teams caught on yet? And if Gordon doesn’t make teams pay for their traps, why did his best season occur when he had the best teammates?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i think we all saw the good teams trapping ben gordon with success.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Well, as much success as they had shutting down Big Al last year
(when he posted a 23 PER and 23 ppg)
hmmm...
or maybe even more success when the celts had him shoot .388, minus garnett in there over 7 games?.
if you mean to say that al jefferson is more valuable than ben gordon, i would have to agree.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Right, Ben Gordon being the only offensive threat after Rose's one good game...
…and having a pulled hamstring for at least 3 or 4 of the games, is a clear indication of the success in defending him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
bahahahaha
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Like who?
Prove it. I’ll start. Last 3 years with Bulls:
Spurs: one game under 50% FG 19 ppg (with one of the best SG defenders in the league)
Cavs: 47.78 FG%, only 3 games shooting under 40%, 19.75 ppg
Rockets: 41.8% FG%, 20 ppg
Lakers: 39%, 16.3 ppg
So maybe they trapped him, but how much did any of them really shut him down? Only the Lakers and Kobe Bryant had great success. (Those are only the first ones I looked up. Others might be worse.)
Your turn, I guess?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hahahahahah
not interested man.
but have fun with the past.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
ahhh... that's always a nice reply to get
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
ah, no
noah
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
i just realized who should be included in the discussions for a new coach!
i never thought of him, because i always hated him for his former team (playing days).
kevin mchale.
terrible gm, but i thought he did a bang up job as coach for them. the wolves should have figured out a way to keep him somehow.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
He wasn't bad as a coach
nor was he good. Part of the reason he didn’t fail completely is that he was coaching “his” guys. He’s realized now that he can make almost as much money making smart-ass remarks on TV. I doubt he’ll ever be a head coach in the NBA again, and the only way he’ll run a team in the future is if he buys one.
i know
and coaching that team was meant as punishment, i think?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Low cost punishment, as well
as they could save the money hiring a new coach (something to be considered by those who want to dump VDN).
Noah
…isn’t ‘untouchable’, but he’s firmly entrenched as a building block for this young Bulls team. Is he overvalued in Chicago? Yes, but then again, so were Gordon and Deng when Kobe was was being ‘shopped’ a couple of years back. Minnesota would have to overpay the Bulls to get Noah in any deal. If Noah stays in Chicago, the Bulls will wind up overpaying him on an extension, or letting him walk for free.
If Noah is overvalued in Chicago,
how overvalued is Al Jefferson?
I mean, really. Ugggh.
Put me in the camp of people who wouldn’t do Noah for AJ straight up.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
One of the risks to the Wolves
in making this trade is that Noah is going to get paid, soon. For a couple million a year, he’s awesome. For the 8-10 per year he’s going to want, he could quickly become a liability.
You guys have a pretty good handle on Jefferson. However, Hollinger just named him the 3rd best big man under 25, saying:
3. Al Jefferson, Minnesota Timberwolves
At the moment, Jefferson isn’t playing as well as the four players below him on the list. However, based on his spectacular output prior to tearing his ACL a year ago, his skillful low-post game should again make him one of the league’s highest-scoring big men once he fully recovers.
Jefferson, 24, has tremendous hands and can loft in hook shots from incredible distances, enabling him to score effectively even when he’s pushed out from prime post position. He’s a very strong rebounder as well (14.8 rebound rate), and those numbers should bounce back as his knee mends. While Jefferson earns demerits for his shaky defense and dormant passing ability, he’s still one of the game’s most dominant post players when healthy.
And if the Bulls can’t land Bosh, I’m not sure where they’re going to get some help scoring down low.
Al Jeff is fine
but I don’t think 8-10 mil for Noah is bad. I would lock him up for that much right now.
Alright, I have an adjustment for this trade (works salary-wise)
Bulls get: Al Jefferson, Damien Wilkins, Brian Cardinal
T-Wolves get: Brad Miller, Luol Deng, 2010 1st round pick (protected)
Why the Bulls do it: We only lose about 3 million in expiring contracts and Salmons gets to move back to the SF spot — his numbers should go up and that should ensure he opts out. With about $13-14 million in cap room this summer we’ll be able to go out and sign Rudy Gay (that should be our #1 target). Our starting line-up in 2010 will be:
PG: Rose
SG: Hinrich
SF: Gay
PF: Jefferson
C: Noah
We’ll have Pargo, Gibson, Johnson, Asik (hopefully), 2nd rd. pick and MLE coming off the bench.
Why T-Wolves do it: They get a huge expiring contract in Miller (gives them about 3 million more in cap room next summer); plus they trade pretty much equal contracts in Jefferson for Deng — a better fit for them. They’ll have Miller at C, Love at PF and Deng at SF — a pretty formidable front court. They also get a top-3 or top-5 protected pick they can use as trade bait (assuming the Bulls are in the lottery this year).
What do you guys think?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Don't wanna lose Salmons unless it's for another expiring
had to throw Miller in there to give the T-Wolves an option at C. Won’t really work any other way. I think putting Salmons back at SF will boost his numbers enough to get him to opt out (which in turn gives us enough money to sign Rudy Gay).
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
You might as well try to find a trade destination for Tyrus Thomas simultaneously.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That would be the idea
to try to bring back a SG or combo guard with an expiring contract in return. But I don’t think it’s that necessary, as Ty expires at the end of the year and we’d be using that money to go after Gay.
The problem is then if Gay gets a max offer, we won’t be able to match that. And then who are we left with? There’s no SF/SG that would go for between $11-14 million (in that case, we would have been better off keeping Gordon).
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
If Gay gets a max offer
you should hope the Bulls won’t match it. Nice player, and several Wolves fans are coveting him as well, but contract year performance should not predict future results.
That's true
but then we’re left holding 13-14 million in cap room with no one worthy to spend it on.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
flexibility!!!!
Just sign Carmello Anthony the next year, right????* he and Deng can play some weird sort of 3/4 mish-mash with Noah and Rose complementing them. (And Evan Turner!)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That last has pretty much been my point all along.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And I'm with you dude
Gordon gave us the best shot at success this year, as well as the best shot at landing a superstar player (sign-and-trade).
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming you have an owner willing to spend money
there are going to be soooooo many teams in salary dump mode next year, it ainna gonna be funny. So the likelihood is that several money losers with overpaid guards (co-inky-dink?) will be looking to get out from under their respective payrolls.
Your first assumption is off, though. Our owner won't spend money.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's actually not a bad deal for either side
and there could be some chance of swapping some combination of Gomes/Sessions/Flynn/Wilkins/Sasha for a pupu platter of TyThomas and Captain Kirk.
Screw it. Let’s just merge these holey teams and play home games in Madison, Wisconsin.
you'll still need a center
miller’s not long for life in the nba. i like the good college towns though!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Madison's a great town
especially around Halloween. I’d say we figure out some way to do this deal (if only the Bulls front office wouldn’t screw it up somehow — which they inevitably would).
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 14, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
You must remember
that for several decades the Wolves were mismanaged by Kevin McHale, whose sole accomplishment was taking a chance on KG in the draft. Large Money was paid to the likes of Marko Jaric, T. Brandon, THudson, Wally Szerbiak, etc., plus we cleverly didn’t have to pay all those first round picks lost when trying to illegally overpay for Joe Smith.
Now we have Daring David Kahn at the helm, who is trying to help Rambis to make the non-point-guard-dependent Triangle offense work with a roster containing three potential point guards in Rubio, Sessions, and Flynn, and is also dying and trying to land John Wall in next year’s draft.
Al can score down low, but to me he’s just an in shape Eddy Curry with slightly better rebounding. Poor defender, can’t pass out of a double team. Knee issues…I really shy away from players with serious knee issues because once you have serious knee problems, they tend to be recurring.
Jefferson is a beast in the paint but once the double team comes, he is completely flustered so his post advantage can be easily nullified by a good team
"Eddy Curry with slightly better rebounding"
(ahem) We prefer “Less A-Holish Zach Randolph,” thankyouverymuch (sniff).
by PoorDick on Dec 14, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this the same
Al Jefferson that Minny traded Kevin Garnett for? And we’re gonna give them Deng? Why didn’t we trade Deng for Garnett and save ourselves three years of misery?
Meh.
With my confidence in Bulls management right now, it probably would have just been another 3 years of misery.. but now with intensity!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Wasn't it Deng, Chandler and the pick?
Which was Thomas, which could have been Roy (but not really because they could have had him anyway).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would love to acquire Al Jefferson
I’d part with Deng in a second. Noah is another story. If we’re talking about Jefferson than Noah becomes the story. Noah’s the ideal Center to pair with Jefferson. He covers all the weaknesses of Noah. And Noah covers all the weaknesses of Jefferson.
For Jefferson I’d trade Deng, Thomas and a future #1 top 3 protected.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
thats a lot for al jefferson,
but with the way our team is playing any change would be a good change
We are overvaluing Noah
Because he is a Chicago type of player. Hard worker. Not the most skilled player but plays his butt off night in and night out. Will step up to Lebron James when no one else in the league will. Oh yes, and let’s not forget the rebounding machine he has become. But for you stat geeks out there, maybe there is a reason Noah is getting so many rebounds.
Bulls are 5th (44.2 per game) in allowing rebounds to opposing teams. Warriors, Pacers, Knicks and Nets are th only ones whose oposing teams get more rebounds. They also are 3rd in rebounds for their team. 43.5. That’s a lot of rebounds up for grabs. And why is that? Maybe it has something to do with our next to last FG%. While still being 11th in the league in attempts. Sure, Noah has improved his game this year. But a big reason he is getting so many rebounds is because there are a lot of rebounds to be had. Now granted he still needs to get those rebounds and he has a nose for the ball and wants it more than most. Which is what rebounding is about.
However, Al Jefferson was an all-star before his knee injury put him out of the game last year. Surely he would’ve been picked over Shaq. He is a 20+ pts 10+ rebound caliber player. He is also a low TO player. Does he have flaws? yes. But he is also exactly what the bulls need. This trade would seem like a slam dunk IF not for the fact that management seems hell bent on shippin gout TT. I think Jefferson and TT would work great together as long as TT cuts down on his turnaround fadeaways. Can we get Josh SMith to talk to him about cutting dwon poor shot selection?
This trade would also be great if we can ship out Kirk for expirings and still be players for next year. But how come Minny wants to get rid of Jefferson?
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