McGraw: One-win weekend bought VDN some time
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 13, 2009 12:15 PM CST
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PrintA few days ago, I suggested that this weekend would help determine the future of Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro.
Well, the win over Golden State surely bought him some time. If the Bulls lost both of those games, I wouldn’t have been surprised if a change was made.
But like I also mentioned before, management wants to give Del Negro a fair chance to work through this rough stretch. Ideally that would happen with a full roster, but doctors want Tyrus Thomas to take another week to 10 days to make sure his broken left arm heals completely before returning to the court. So he may not be back until after Christmas for a Dec. 26 home date against New Orleans.
Thomas is so anxious to play right now, it would be interesting to see what kind of boost he could give the team. After hosting the Lakers on Tuesday, the Bulls play six of the next seven games against losing teams with five of those at home.
Yes, whenever predicting Bulls behavior, always err on the side of 'glacially-paced decision making'. They probably couldn't get the triumvirate in a room together to decide whether VDN should be fired, let alone the plan for the rest of the season. I don't quite get how a flukey victory (as OT games are that) over the Warriors changes the team's opinion of VDN, but then again I didn't see the game.
Though I felt all along this bad stretch that the talk of the Bulls 'quitting' on VDN was a bit overblown. They're a poorly-assembled and poorly-coached roster, but I don't think effort is what's lacking. What is happening is that they go into a game with effort, then fall behind, and then quit. They likely know as much as us that they can't overcome big deficits with a league-worst offense (even with 'sparkplug' Jannero Pargo? I know!).
He should be fired because he's yet to improve as a coach, not because this losing is much different than most. The team probably will get some wins against the upcoming softer schedule, but I would've preferred that it was coincided with a new-coach-bump, as every future VDN game seems like a waste of time.
McGraw also mentions that the talk of the Bulls looking into Lawrence Frank is bogus.
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McGraw is the whole truth and nothing but the truth
An OT win over the Warriors saved VDN’s job?
You would hope they gave the same sort of treatment to Tyrus Thomas in the playoffs last year.
He had a pretty solid impact on easily 2 of those wins, yet it couldn’t save him from VDN sending him to the doghouse in game 7
Considering we got slaughtered in the paint
in game 7, that blame was largely Vinny’s fault. As the Celtics got untold 2nd chance points in the paint on rebounds that would largely be nullified with an active player like Tyrus involved. Sadly Tyrus only came in late when other people fouled out and he was the only option. I’m surprised Vinny wasn’t fired in the offseason. That game showed how horribly he manages his roster.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Ehh...
we got manhandled by Perkins and Davis in every game that series, regardless of who was in.
by BigBabyCollin on Dec 13, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
The points in the paint differential for Game 7 was 44-18
I don’t think the difference was nearly that drastic in any other game.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 13, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
What makes no sense at all is that any organization would let
a single game against a crap opponent determine their evaluation of their coach’s performance? Does the fact that Bulls lucked out and won versus a shitty GSW team change the fact that Vinny is a comically bad coach? No, not in the least. There should be no delay in firing him based on this, but such is the decision-making process of one of the worst-run franchises (from a basketball perspective) in the league.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions
That's what I thought.
Then I realized that the vast majority of their decisions, or at least the vast majority of each decision, is probably business-related. I’m sure they know that the fans are calling for a new coach. They don’t want to lose the fans. If think the fans can be duped for another few weeks (at least) until the Bulls are full strength and after a softer schedule, etc. I’m sure they’re thinking that they might be able to ride out the season with Del Negro.
Granted, they probably would have replaced Del Negro with someone already on the payroll and not replaced the interim coach’s position with someone from the outside so I’m not sure they’re really any money. But then, I don’t know if I give them THAT much credit for thinking ahead like that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think if they fire Vinny, Bernie takes over as head coach, sort of by default.
I’ve got no problem riding it out with Bernie. He’s no great coach, but at least he’s somewhat competent, which can’t be said for Vinny.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
No, really. Kirk needs to GTFO. Trade his ass, GarPaxDorf.
by fundamentallysound on Dec 13, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Bernie's got no leverage.
Changing coaches sounds easy. You put a temp guy in place and expect the players to listen and work harder? F-that.
Pulling the plug on VDN is pulling the plug on the season. Firing this coach only 20% into the season is too soon.
I’m somewhat agnostic about it given the way this readership feels but hey fire Vinny and see how crappy the season turns.
I tend to agree
I know that Vinny is no help to the Bulls….
But who is oing to replace him? Only someone else already on the staff.
I think (as of now) that the devil we know is better than the one we don’t.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
yeah
I doubt the game has affected anyones evaluation, but even an iffy win removes some of the immediate pressure of doing anything.
Thats not entirely terrible either. It could give them time to do their homework and make a good hire, although I tend to be skeptical of their decision making process.
by Sports2 on Dec 13, 2009 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
basically...
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think they quit because they don't have any decent three point threat to chop down big leads.
Losing BG was a huge blow. I said at the time I think they would go into the lottery. But I don’t understand the quitting thats going on with this team? They play a competitive half together and then just give up after half time.
Obviously their offense is being shut down after other teams realize that they just screen and roll for Rose.
The fact that they don’t have a coaching back up plan for VDN just adds to the front offices incompetence.
2 two point win over a bad GS team shouldn’t have bought anything. This is embarrassing!
I have never seen a more ghostly front office. When you lose like this the last thing you wanna do is just hide.. whoever the Bulls GM is should be up front trying to explain what the hell is happening. It sounds stupid but it’s true someone needs to step up and take fault in putting this roster together.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
i don't think it is necessarily quiting that is putting them down by large margins..
i think they quit after they are down by large margins because they are not a good enough team to come back from a deficit and the reason they go down by large margins is also because they are just not a good enough team to keep it close with better teams. I think the only reason that celtics game was even remotely close through out the first half was because of the minutes played by their first line was limited. I heard them say near the end of the game that neither KG, PP, or Allen played over 30 minutes.
by i_like_turtles on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
thats what i'm saying..
The team is bad. They quit when real teams start to try.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
but i'm trying to say they are not quitting...
they just are not good enough compared to the better teams. Now it may look like quitting because they suck so bad, but it isn’t quitting it is trying but sucking.
by i_like_turtles on Dec 13, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't.. I think it's quitting!
Their body language from the first half to the second half tells the story. Their coach concedes games. They’re not smart enough and it’s just a reflection of VDN. He has said before he doesn’t think their good enough to win.
They just go through the motions at the end of the games once teams go on runs.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
If a guy can tie his shoe, against the Bulls and keep the ball?
Team’s not playing hard. Firing VDN will not fix that problem.
VDN needs to taken to the woodshed by Pax. He has to tune out the press and stop being baited. He has to toughen the team’s attitude and expand the rotation to develop the talent.
F the chessman ship at games end. the point isn’t managing timeouts better than X or Y but getting the team to smack a guy tying his shoe, dancing the jig or getting easy paths to the basket.
tie shoes, row the ball to mid court with 3 seconds score 3pts
this assembled team is really bad, the the two bogus plays happened against the two weak captains.
what is so amazing is the evidence of this team minus Gordon was apparent while Gordon was here. These guys relied upon Gordon so much, not only from a scoring point of view. But moreso from being the “mentally toughest” player on the team who refused to be demoralized by other teams. Maybe defense wasn’t his specalty, but the intangles of toughness was overlooked.
These guys like Deng and Kirk are average joe blows who have not much fighter instinct within. Deng can score 18ppg but never really was paramount in the winning of any games, nothing is different. How could Paxson and Gar not notice this? I doubt they really are fans of the Bulls?
Could it be Paxson and Gar are so beat down by the organization as everyone else in media controlled by Dorf. Maybe nobody really cares anymore? Pete Myers, to John Paxson to Kendall Gill to Stacey King ..everyone looks like they are in it just to collect a Dorf pay check! Stacey King recently said.. if he won that recent lottery (over 100 million) he would be outtage of here? Can you imagine Johnnie Red Kerr ever having this attitude! Kerr love this team, but his heart couldn’t take it any longer.
Del Harris? did he really retire? or just couldn’t take any more of this farce organization? … He is presently assistant coaching with the NJ Nets! Sounds like retirement or just wanted the hell out of Chicago! This organization is blackballed.. I’m convienced now.
Maybe Harris doesn’t have to put up with BS and manupulation of a Dorf and his puppet management office?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Dec 14, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
we beat one of the worst teams in the league in OT, and it buys our coach some time before being fired. How low are our standards? Unbelievable.
And more
One of the worst teams in the league that is missing their starting center and their first big off the bench.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
The bad just keeps on rolling!
Our franchise is run by morons..
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
to me it is crazy that many are looking at Tyrus Thomas
to be the savior when he comes back from injury.
And by savior, that is to get the team to .500
All your base are belong to Vinny.
It's just a crutch until they figure out what to do.
They have no clue.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
We must have the only savior who's being actively shopped around the league.
by Sports2 on Dec 14, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he's not any savior
they’ll probably trade him to new york for nate robinson or something of the sort. and then he’ll blow up like we said. that’s all.
i misspelled it “nat robinson” at first. gnat robinson, lol!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
What is really depressing is this bit.
"Today for the first time, I actually looked at my stats, my shooting percentages and all that stuff," he said. "Even my free throws are down, everything is down. It’s not just my threes. I don’t know. I just can’t get it going."
-John Salmons
by Super-Structure on Dec 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions
if you REALLY believe John doesnt look at his stats..
then I have a beachfront property in Kansas I’d like for you to view.
by Ayeljay54 on Dec 13, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My question would be down from what?
It’ not like he has a great amount of great stats to look fondly over. I wonder if last year did he take time to look at his stats and say “Wow I’m a career 8ppg scorer in this league, how am I putting up all these points?” Dude is what I said he was before the season started. His stats this year shouldn’t be that surprising to him.
That guy pisses me off
Take it to the rack! If the shot isn’t falling, then do something else or get off the court. I’d rather see a one-handed Kurt get all the PT instead.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
He is taking it to the rack
He’s getting blocked by Jeff Teague and Anthony Morrow. He doesn’t have any legs to get elevation anymore.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 14, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I see him hesitate and skip open opportunities to drive past defenders.
Sure there may be some annonymous big man under the hoop, but why so chickenshit this year? Last year he had no problem hitting the hoop? Did BG’s mondo balls wear off on the other guards? No BG, no team balls?
All your base are belong to Vinny.
On the bright side, it's still fun to watch the trainwreck in person.
Judging from the crowd, Salmons and Deng are truly loathed by Bulls fandom. I made a couple of people on press row chuckle with my voracious anti-VDN chanting (I even got a “bring back Skiles” chant going).
Oh, and Tommy Edwards should be fired along with Vinny and Gar Paxson. He’s a worthless announcer and has 0 enthusiasm for the job.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
And Tommy Edwards was a hire back
holla!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Red Panda halftime show was the best entertainment of the night
Also surrounded by Celtic fans. Everywhere was green, right next to me and behind me on both sides. WTF?
Hopefully Reinsdorf will find out that more fans are created when the team actually wins.
All your base are belong to Vinny.
I don't think I agree that the guys quit
I think we just don’t have the talent to compete. You don’t lose games like we’ve been losing when you have a talented team. We have role players who we’ve asked to be scorers, and go to guys and they cannot get the job done against the best players in the world.
by Mr Rhythm on Dec 13, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The TRUTH is this....
…this franchise, (Thanks in large part of the Jerry’s..) is still paying for their sins from 1998! Period. You disrespect one of the greatest coaches to coach the game, which ultimately dismantled one the greatest teams to play the game, and then smacked the face of the GREATEST PLAYER to wear a Bulls jersey- as well as in the NBA. So what should we as Bulls fans expect, from an owner and former GM to now current GM, whose still live by such a foolish mantra: “Front offices win championships- not the players”?? Ben Gordon was a MAJOR part of the Bulls success for the last five years, and how do they repay the man for his hard work? “Later buddy! Go get paid elsewhere chump!” They hire a coach, whose NEVER coached before in his life! Not even a youth league for crying out loud, and expect him to win, or even know how to manage his roster?? Please! I feel horrible for Tyrus Thomas, here’s a guy that’s fulfilled every request asked of him, and what does he get for carrying out those requests? Benched, and now the subject of trade talk. Instead of building on the little success we had last year, we’ve now taken 4 steps back- and it’s only going to worst before it gets better. Ok, so you fire Vinny, then what? Our roster still lacks scorers and solid defenders. We have no bench to speak of, and until the whole “Where is LeBron going?” drama unfolds during the off-season- there’s really no one available to trade for at the moment. I love my Bulls, and will continue to go through the bumps and the bruises with them, but DAMN MAN!- when is enough going to be enough for you Front Office?? For real!
J.I.
by Jeye15 The Legend on Dec 13, 2009 6:14 PM CST reply actions
Ben Gordon, is sorely missed these days
if they don’t get anybody to sign with the team in 2010, then what the hell did they let BG walk for?
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
Reinsdorfian vindictiveness.
then what the hell did they let BG walk for?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 13, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
He was well worth 11 million.
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 13, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
when you average 20ppg in the nba, the NBA, you are worth 11 million. Jerry was just an A hole
the rich getting richer, without even trying. people in chicago, patronize his bulls even if his team sucks.
If I think of nothing, am I thinking?
by Juan dela Cruz on Dec 13, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
not me I was always a BG guy.
Kirk and Deng not so much. I don’t understand the love for those guys over BG. He could he a three from outer space and it still wouldn’t have been good for some people.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
I'll cry when BG gets his first NBA trophy.
Pistons spent their money on BG and have a middle to good team. No one else big on BG and right now the Pistons are not the envy of the NBA.
I'll stop crying when the Bulls get another NBA trophy
[HINT: IT WON’T BE FOR A WHILE.]
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I recently wrote a fan post listing nominations for top early season performances (all tongue-in cheek)
But in all seriousness, I nominate Matt’s comment in this post as
THE MOST ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT COMMENT IN THE HISTORY OF BLOGABULL.
“I would’ve preferred that it was coincided with a new-coach-bump (Vinny’s possible firing), as EVERY FUTURE VDN GAME SEEMS (is!) LIKE A WASTE OF TlME”.
So simply put, yet so precise, nothing further needs to be added. We all fully understand (including the players) what this implies. Just one further footnote
Someone mentioned adding Kirk and Tyrus would eliminate those 30+ point blowouts
I totally agree
With them the Bulls lose by only 20.
BUT
Subtracting Viinny means the Bulls lose by less than 6.
It stll ain’t right but it means at least they beat most of the bottom feeders most of the time.
Without DelEmptySuit at least the playbook could expand beyond the size of a 3 × 5 index card and at least some of the games would be watchable. It would also help if the fish wouldn’t continue to stink up the joint every night. I lament the loss of Gordon but would rejoice the passing of the hopelessly outcoached Italian mistake. Thanks for less than nothing PaxDork.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Yep ... VDN has to go
And there’s no use arguing who’s to blame. The Bulls are one big clusterfuck from top to bottom … everything sucks.
But the Bulls aren’t getting new ownership and likely aren’t getting new management any time soon. That leaves the players and the coach.
The easiest and most idiot-proof move that can be made is to replace the coach. What’s the worst that can happen? Rose and TT don’t get developed? The Bulls lose the majority of their games, many by embarrassing margins? They continually fail to run anything that looks like a coherent offense or defense? Wait … that’s already happening!
And imagine the alternative. VDN sticks around, and the Bulls win a few more games due to the return of their injured players and easier schedule. Then VDN claims vindication — Cheeyeah, BITCHES! I’m a fighter! ITALIAN STALLION MOTHERFUCKER!!!!! — and VDN survives to coach his third season.
But replacing VDN is the most idiot-proof move, not an idiot-proof move, which means the Bulls can still eff it up. Still, I’m not asking for the second coming of Phil Jackson, just a competent coach properly incentivized to develop the core. Without that, nothing else really matters.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Dec 13, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly...no vdn is the essence of addition by subtraction
but they need a 3 pt threat. Maybe have Luol take that role.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
thats crazy talk
i dont think the win over a shitty warriors team would keep VDN on board any longer than he is staying anyway. It looks like he is going to ride the whole season out before he gets the boot, if that even happens
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
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by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 14, 2009 12:58 AM CST reply actions
You know what drives
me nuts. This clown VDN gets to keep his job because the Bulls wanna see what happens with a full roster (which is TT at this point unless you count Jerome FATTY DADDY James). Thats total fucking BS and you know why, cause this ass clown is the same guy who jerked TT’s playing time around, started TG over him numerous times (likely to do that again with either BM or TG when he comes back), benched TT in the playoffs after winning him a dam game (duh). If im TT id break my other arm so this clown gets fired. To think TT may be the reason this douche has a job still after the way he has jerked him around. Seriously if your TT arent you maybe thinking about having a set back or three.
karma’s a bitch Vinny, i hope TT benches yur coaching career for good.
i wanna see TT back as bad as anyone but if another two or three weeks means no mas Vinny ill take it.
by Bulls4Ever on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
That's a funny, funny, sad, very sad point.
maybe that’s the one hopeful positive about firing Del Negro: an assistant loves Thomas and plays him and increases his trade value.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Tyrus Thomas was never the answer to Bulls' problems.
Even with a full roster the Bulls did not figure to go any further in the playoffs than they did last season. Given that, this season never meant much more than preparing for the 2010 free agency and developing Rose and Noah. Getting Deng back to full strength is important, but his output is counterbalanced by the drop in performance of Salmons, Miller and the departure of Ben Gordon.
It is important to fire VDN to achieve both aforementioned goals. Hiring a more credible and capable coach is likely to increase player confidence in the organization and system, which will possibly result in a better overall record and increased progress from Rose. The new coach and better performance will also hopefully signal to potential free agents that the organization is being proactive about turning things around. Now, the cynic in me thinks that next season’s available superstars are likely to look at the dysfunction in this organization with suspicion anyway, but keeping VDN can hardly be a better option. Keeping him only tells the fans, the league and the players that this mess is going to continue all season and we had best deal with it.
However, as is often mentioned in this blog, the root of the Bulls’ problems is Reisndorf and management. There have been posts which praise JR’s business acumen and show how he runs the team strictly as a business, making impressive profits. Yet ultimately his profits are derived from the fans who continue to buy tickets and merchandise despite the team’s failures and/or lack of progress. While as a Bulls fan I understand that it is a lot of fun to attend games, the only way to really get things to change is by affecting what JR values the most: his revenue. Only if the fans stop becoming enablers of this status quo will JR have any incentive to change.
Let me qualify that last statement a bit in light of a recent posting on the mind of Dorf which argued convincingly that JR is willing to jump into the luxury tax if the team is close to being a contender. If the team was indeed that close to being a contender I would be advocating supporting the team by buying tickets and making it apparent to ownership that success equals increased fan revenue. But since we’ve been spinning our wheels for the past two years while the conference has become increasingly stronger, it is hard to imagine that we are anywhere near contending. So, we can either support the status quo and watch terrible basketball all season or we can maybe influence ownership by not showing up. Firing VDN will not cure all ailments but will very likely result in better morale and results and hopefully send a message for next season. Or, we can have more of the same for the rest of the season.
by Bullsfanabroad on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions
if
Getting Deng back to full strength is important, but his output is counterbalanced by the drop in performance of Salmons, Miller and the departure of Ben Gordon.
then tyrus thomas would logically be the answer to
with a full roster the Bulls did not figure to go any further in the playoffs than they did last season.and just what is negative about that?
the sense that even the return of ben gordon himself couldn’t fix what is wrong is why there is such concern.
if garpaxdorf is a problem, what’s wrong with developing tyrus thomas right along with rose and noah?
i agree with the notion that vdn and garpaxdorf are apparently a (big) problem. i agree that neither tyrus nor gordon is a savior. i don’t see why tyrus isn’t a big positive. do you expect that this team should be a fifty win team? (i don’t think that’s what you’re saying?)
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Bulls should have achieved a higher level by now
I am not saying that this current team should be a fifty win team. Rather, if you look at past season records the Bulls have been spinning their wheels since the ‘04-’05 season. They have been stuck in about the same spot since then so being a one and done team in the playoffs is becoming increasingly unacceptable. If you look at the team’s level of success over the past ten years, the current situation becomes even more unacceptable. For me at this point the organization has had enough time to figure its way out through the post-Jordan era and be an elite team in the Eastern Conference.
Regarding Thomas, you might be right that the Bulls could develop him so that he can reach his much talked about potential. Yet if the organization wants to give VDN the chance to get through this mess with a full roster, I don’t see how the return of Tyrus could even in ideal circumstances make this team go more than the first round of the playoffs. Given that that is a scenario we have witnessed already in recent years I don’t see how VDN at the helm is a positive.
by Bullsfanabroad on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Here's my take
Vinny will be gone and it will happened before the new year if we struggle during the next stretch of games. The Fake Show comes into town tonight and Gasol is going to eat us up. We should lose by at least 15. The Knicks come into town next and they have been playing well could be a lose there, followed by Atlanta, Sac, NY, New Orleans, Indiana and then Detriot. I say we might win two games and Vinny is gone by December 22nd. That gives the club four days to adjust to his canning.
sad to say
we r still paying skiles, that is why we have a vdn, they went about as cheap as you can go, paxson had the right idea when he named collins, then d’antoni, and each time the chairman said ah-ah, get me somebody cheap, voila Vinnie Del Negro.Soon after that Paxson was like get me outta here, voila Gar Foreman, who is worse than a wet noodle. Follow the money.
VDN has to go
But that won’t do shit because you have a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string benchwarmers starting. This team has very little talent.
If the Bulls starting 5 where to be dropped into a lineup like the Lakers or Celtics then;
Rose would most probably start in LA and have a 50-50 chance of starting in Boston.
Noah would be a good backup centre for LA or have a 50-50 chance of starting in Boston.
Deng would be the 2nd SF on both teams.
Salmons would be the 2nd or perhaps 3rd SG / SF on both teams and even see some DNPCD’s on the box score.
Thomas would be the 3rd PF for both teams and see a lot of DNPCD’s.
As somebody mentioned in another post. Everybody is expendable with the exception of Rose and Noah.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 14, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions
Mediocre
We draft mediocre, we trade for mediocre, and we don’t keep what we have, Lakers trade for Shaq, draft Kobe, trade for Gasol, Boston trades for Garnett, Allen, draft pierce and Rondo get the point.
better yet
let’s surround Rose with that type of talent, and stop wasting time.
by sugarbear06 on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Rose
May not hang around unless the Bulls management actually surround him with that talent and the last 12 years show that they are to stupid/unwilling to do/to pay for that.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
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- Brandon Jennings states the obvious regarding his 2014 free agency, everyone goes nuts
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