Am I the only one here who misses BG?
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 12, 2009 4:44 PM CST
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PrintI was just recently watching game 2 of the playoffs against the Celtics and it made me realize that the Bulls are really going to miss that shooting ability this season, and we've already witnessed that so far. Gordon made shot after shot against the Celtics in that game. He provided instant offense whether he came off the bench or he was in the starting line up and he was the clutch shooter for this team. He didn't play good defense, and he took questionable shots at times, but so what? He more than made up for it with his shooting touch. Salmons has been playing average at best, and there just seems to me a lack of chemistry on this team; a team that fought hard but eventually lost to the superior and experienced Celtics in a epic series. That team seems to be long gone now. Now I see a team that just doesn't give a shit on the court. Nobody is really putting forth any effort, and really, how much of that can be put on VDN's shoulders? If he gets fired either by Christmas or at the end of this season, will that help. I sure hope so...
Now that I've read that fanpost of Bulls management never planning on resigning him, it just makes me even more angry/sad. Nobody has yet to step up to fill Gordon's shoes. Rose? He's been playing well as of late, but he seems to be the only one. Management must be delusional to think that Rose can do this all by himself, and so far it's looking he's gonna have to do just that. Placing myself into garpaxforman's shoes, I guess the main reason they didn't resign him was because they thought they didn't need him, what with the upcoming free agent class. But at this rate, is anybody gonna want to come here and play? And let's go back to Rose: His rookie year he was used to playing with Gordon. His second year he has to get used to playing with Salmons at the 2. And next year, assuming we get another SG, he has to get used to another player on this roster. We're wasting crucial years in his development people! Is there any stability on this roster?
Now I know I sound like a negative nancy now; that I'm so pissed the way the team is playing that I'm writing this out of anger, and part of that is true. But a bigger part of me is just being realistic. Even before this season I knew things wouldn't be great, but I at least thought we could make the playoffs again. But at this rate, we'll be lucky to win 20+ games. So my question is, is anybody else missing BG right about now?
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Dear D-Wade Chicago...
If you’re so into your big dream of bringing DWade to Chicago (not making fun, I’m all for it), how do you propose we would have kept Gordon and entered the DWade sweeps? This season was never meant to be anything but mediocre. How could it be? Sure I’d like to over-achieve, rather than underachieve. But the roster is not built for injuries, we got injuries, and so we got problems. This roster, thin as it is, probably still needs to be- and will be- trimmed even more before the end of the year if we have any chance to get a Wade or Bosh.
Our coach doesn’t matter, because no one ever thought VDN would make it into the 3rd year of his little contract- the thought/hope is that once a superstar is nabbed we’ll have an instant identity and hire a coach that fits at that time. For the time being, the players don’t seem to hate him like they did Skiles/Boylan, and there isn’t a better option sitting on the bench next to him. (There’s no way they hire something more than an interim coach mid-season.) And in this ideal world where we land a superstar this summer, there will be many many coaching options available.
And since we’re not winning the finals this year, I’m beginning to think we might as well get a good draft pick. As long as Rose and Noah keep looking sharp, Deng looks decent, and we have $$$ to blow, we will be desirable.
You're right, I am a dreamer and I want D-Wade to play for Chicago...
But look at this team. Would you want to come here if you were a superstar? I guess what I’m saying is that I wish they kept BG here one more year to make this team look good to prospective free agents.
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 12, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
that doesn't make any sense if Wade is your prospective target since BG plays his position
and there was no way to sign him to a 1 yr contract.
sign and trades, sign and trades, sign and trades.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Dump the over-paid and underachieving Kurt Hinrich?
If you’re so into your big dream of bringing DWade to Chicago (not making fun, I’m all for it), how do you propose we would have kept Gordon and entered the DWade sweeps?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 12, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, that's what we still need to do.
we need to do both in order to have enough to afford him. not sign BG and dump kirk, and probably TT, too. And pray salmons doesnt sign.
Dear Smash! and others....
Through a sign-and-trade. How do you propose the Bulls sign Wade if they have less than $15 million in cap space?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
do you really think Riley would trade Wade? And to the Bulls at that?
I think the Bulls know that the Heat and the Cavs will NEVER trade Wade/Bron. And it’s unlikely Toronto trades Bosh. They all think they can keep them and will try their hardest to. It’s much easier to just aim for free agency.
They won't trade them if no one can sign them.
But they will if someone else is going to sign them. They don’t EVEN HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN A MAX FREE AGENT!!! I don’t get how an impossible situation is better than a slim possibility.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We don't have max cap space. NOW.
So … we’re not getting Wade either way.
In the meantime, we stink to high heaven.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I KNOW.
Thus the sentence:
This roster, thin as it is, probably still needs to be- and will be- trimmed even more before the end of the year if we have any chance to get a Wade or Bosh.
and then the only players you'll have are....
…Rose, a 29 year old Wade, Deng, Noah, Gibson and Johnson. It’s at least 3 years until the team is an actual contender. And then Wade will be on the decline.
And of course, if you don’t get one of those guys because the cap drops too much or you don’t trade Hinrich or Deng, you’re left with Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Johnson, Gibson, Noah. That team is not better than this year’s team.
I think the probability of getting the superstar are the same either way. But the downside is way worse the way the Bulls are going.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No you're not the only one who misses BG. A lot of us do.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Dec 12, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions
gone??
im failing to see the problem here…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Completely missed the point...
We didn’t let MJ walk for nothing this offseason.
I realize you mean to say that BG is gone and he’s not coming back, but it’s still a sad indictment of a franchise that completely misunderstands obvious team needs and/or refuses to address them.
The only thing offensive on our team is the coaching.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 13, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
You either don't spend much time reading stuff here
Or you really like to ask questions when you already know nearly everyone is going to agree with you.
Just waiting on some offense....
heh
i was thinking the same…one of those politician moves….or car salesmen….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Hehe
:)
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 12, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Just remember
that neither Salmons, his designated replacement, nor Miller, the added scoring we would be needing, were good enough to start last year for Sacramento, arguably the worst team in the league. Just sayin’. We’d have better 3pt shooting if we’d have kept Noc, as hard as that is to believe. Kendall Gill is talking about getting more PT for Pargo, as if that’s the solution. Life is very simple. The Bulls fucked up. Now they have to pay. I don’t see this team winning more and 33-35 games, and easily missing the playoffs. There is no scenarion I can realistically conceive of which will change that. The loss tonite was demoralizing for the ease with which the Bulls, playing hard, were dispatched. What’s different from last year’s playoff series. That’s right. BG,
by Cannoli on Dec 13, 2009 12:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hope is Alive
Bulls targeting Johnson?
Two NBA sources said the Chicago Bulls are emerging as one of the leading candidates to land Joe Johnson when the Atlanta Hawks guard becomes a free agent after the season.
Johnson, sources say, is intrigued about teaming up with Bulls point guard Derrick Rose. Johnson’s agent, Arn Tellem, also is close to Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and the Bulls would love an elite perimeter shooting threat to make up for the loss of Ben Gordon
Benefits of Derrick Rose
This is what makes Rose important He is respected around league, real basketball people who recognize how the game is played, know that Derrick is the goods, here he is coming off a Rookie of the year and 12 games into his second season everybody wants to know why he isn’t Micheal Jordan . See above for your future along with some other quality NBA players who want to play with him and be in the Chicago market and with subtraction of GM who thinks building a team through Duke style system which never worked in the NBA and Coach who is on the job training we may have hope
Me too
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 22, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ben Gorden had to go
because Bull fans were in some fantasy land that Derrick Rose would be an all star hall of famer lol
grammer geeks you make me sick
The player the Bulls should build around is Jalene Rose, right?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 16, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Derrick Rose is the key, the Bulls would be only about 2
games better w/ Gordon, Gordon is gone, get over it, they wanted Hinrich more.
2 games better really?
I think not. And we’ll see for sure at season’s end. There is no clutch shooter on this team, and besides that, what this team really needs is a scorer. Hopefully we’ll land one either via trade or free agency.
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Players around the league would love to play w/ D.Rose, and w/ Rose being in the USA olympic circle that gives him a chance sale Chicago to other players, during the All-Star break Amare said he would love to play w/ Rose
I sure as hell hope so my friend. I really do.
"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"
by D-WadeChicago on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
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