Answering Del Negro answering his critics
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 PM CST
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PrintSo VDN, in trademark 'I'm in way over my head' style, lashed back at his detractors Thursday after practice, with the ole 'you don't know how it feels' line:
It's easy to sit back on the sidelines and everyone has all these great ideas. People think they know what they're talking about. But until you live it and do it, no one has an idea. All you (media) guys have to write and do your job and come up with stories and that's all great. But you guys really don't know what it's like--because you've never done it.
Not only is this yet another example of an inexperienced coach poorly handling criticism, but it's especially absurd that he pulls this card about 'knowing what it's like' being so important, since he himself had no idea what it's like since he never coached before. I'm sure he glossed over that fact as less crucial in the original interview.
And it's not like the media here is that tough anyway. A sad case in point was surrounding the Nets game. As I said pre-game, the chatter around the city in print and radio was escalating concerning VDN's job.
So after that unconscionable loss, only the team's newest reporter, WSCR's Jason Goff, stepped up at the end of the press conference and asked VDN directly about his job security. Vinny actually took that professionally (unlike today) and reasoned that he wasn't worried since it wasn't up to him. But then immediately afterwards on the CSN post-game, the question was deemed 'not serious' by analyst Kendall Gill, and here's the true eyebrow-raising comment from Goff himself:
I was told by several people in the press room that it was a great question, but they could have never asked it; with a smile.
Yes, everyone: that's our local media.
The question was certainly valid (they lost to the Nets!) and the answer soon popped up everywhere including the national broadcast of the game in Atlanta. And after that blowout, it's only intensified.
And by now it's just a matter of time, as while VDN may now know what it's like to be a real live NBA coach, he has no experience to fall back on when things get this tough, with his job is in the balance (plus his team sucks).
As ever since coming in as an unproven coach, VDN remains an unproven coach.
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David Haugh argues that it doesn't matter when Vinny is fired . . .
Just as long as he’s gone by the summer.
I don’t agree with that. At some point, they’ve got to take drastic action to prevent the season from becoming a debacle. It’s going to be a lot harder to attract free agents coming off a disastrous year. Just in the last week, the Bulls have given a very bad impression to Lebron and Chris Bosh.
Too late.
At some point, they’ve got to take drastic action to prevent the season from becoming a debacle.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was in that camp, but I'm quickly moving out of it
The big reason is that after watching this team completely lay down and die, I think continuing down that path could have negative long-term consequences, especially on Rose and Noah, who I think shouldn’t be poisoned that way.
yeah, it's not like the players can't see it
they won’t play as hard for a guy they know is gone. That’s just NBA truth.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Who's going to replace VDN?
What is the option if the let VDN go now? Frank?
Unfortunatley,
They will probably just promote an assistant for the rest of the year. Lets just hope whoever gets promoted isn’t as bad as [redacted] was after Skiles was fired.
P.S. In a perfect world since we didn’t pay shit to VDN to begin with I would love to see Avery Johnson, but GarPaxDorf probably won’t have that if they were willing to let [redacted] coach the remainder of a season.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Dec 11, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather see Van Gundy, Scott or Collins
Avery would be my fourth choice out of available coaches.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think they're buying time to find a better coach or maybe they wanna see Tyrus back.
The Bulls can use the rest of the season looking for a new coach. I don’t think I could take Bickerstaff or Myers for the rest of the season.
This from KC.
Plus, the Tribune reported in May that Skiles spread the $3.5 million owed him over seasonal payments of $1 million, $1 million, $750,000 and $750,000, so the Bulls still are paying the Bucks’ coach.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
or maybe they just don't wanna be paying two former coaches?
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
I thought the excuse before was that they paid it all at once?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I thought the team bought out skile's deal
but I’m not 100% sure of that.
The most important reason to fire Vinny Yesterday
is still the overall idea that everyday your number one asset (Derrick) isnt coach is a wasted day. This was one of the orignal arguments that Vinny haters stated back in June of 2008. Sure there is some creedence to the idea of how attractive the team looks to potential free agents, but the more important thing to me is how are they developing their biggest asset that will ( not maybe) be on the team next 3-10 years.
Two main things Derrick needs improvement on are defense and finding an offensive idenity . These two things have not changed at all from his first 20 games in the NBA. He still is as bad as a 1-1 defender and defender on pick and rolls as he was last year! ( Partially his fault). On offense its still floaters and too much time wasted getting caught in pick and rolls instead of learning to get to the line more and attacking in a more open offense.
What I can’t figure out is what type of coach do you bring in specifically to develop these two parts of his game. Do you bring in Byron Scott to mold an offense around him a la Chris Paul? Do you bring Avery Johnson in to teach him PG defense? Do you bring in Jeff Van Gundy who is a defensive guru but calls almost every play… which would hinder Derricks offensive game like Vinny is doing? Do you let Bernie coach who I believe would help a little bit but not much in each of these areas?
If anyone has an answer to which direction to go in please tell me and if you run into Pax Christmas shopping tell him too…. cause I sorta think he knows Vinny is fired he just is too slow when deciding whats next.
typo - isnt coachED. not coach
I’m not saying everyday Derrick isnt coach is a problem… I dont think he’s ready to handle the media part of the job… along with every other part.
no Johnson no Johnson
he also prefers to call all palys, and does not work well with young PGs who are better suited to running. See the example of Devin Harris hen he was in Dallas.
Libertarianism is just Anarchy for rich people
Its te for this to end
Of course, an interim coach is not the answer, but there needs to be accountability for the lack of ball movement, weak side cutting and imagination from this coach who wowed Paxson. Pax is not dumb – he knew that, with the Bulls on the hook for $7 mil to Skiles, he was not going to get a front line coach. So he took a shot with an unknown – the cheapest option. The worst part of the impending firing is that this whole experience has soured Bulls fans (and organization) on candidates who have never been a head coach.
Would it have been different if we had hired Tyrone Corbin out of the Utah system or waited a bit to give Thibedeau a shot? I don’t know, but I know that public sentiment will push for a Byron Scott – type coach. I want a coach that tells us that he will evaluate the talent and play to their strengths. Look – anyone who comes in right now has a short, untalented roster. I just want to be convinced that he is competent and adaptable. Thanks Vinny, Gar, Pax and Jerry for setting the bar for coaching competence so low.
We will know exactly how the players feel about VDN
by how badly they lose to Golden State tomorrow. If we get a good effort, VDN has some lockerroom support. If they lose by 30 again, then its safe to say the team has quit. Bulls basketball – drama at its best!
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions
GSW; Ellis and Randolph
I’ll get to see the Bulls game vs local GSW.
Keith Smart is coaching for the ill Nelson. VDN will match wits against a temp coach leading a dysfunctional team ravaged by injuries.
It’s a toss up.
At least Golden State can score.
In a contest of dysfunctional teams, you’ve got the team that can score a lot on one side, and the team that supposedly stakes its identity on defense, but cannot play any defense, on the other side.
These Bulls have been constructed to play defense, and to not impact the salary cap in 2010 (but not in that order), not to score. They’ve proven incapable of keeping up with professional teams that can score. A group Golden State belongs to.
It may not be a toss-up.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
Watch for
GSW have been playing young and with energy. No tying a show when they’re on the court.
They need to move the ball. When they share the ball they compete. When they DO NOT you see Corey Maggette at PF stopping ball movement like Marcus Fizer. Bulls want to sucker the GSW into shooting jump shots early in the shot clock.
Also Bulls want to play off Maggette to him to jack up 3s with 18 on the shot clock.
Since trading Jackson, Monta Ellis has been earning his 11M salary. Rose will have a problem slowing Monta.
2nd year Anthony Randolph has been out with a family matter but he’s back. Deng and Noah will have to frustrate him and get him into foul trouble. Mikki Moore can be dominated by Noah and Miller.
Curry isn’t shooting well so let him shoot. SG Morrow has been missing recently so I bet he’s going to get hot vs Bulls but I’d let him shoot until he shows he is hitting his shot.
Don't let Morrow shoot.
I don’t care that he’s been missing lately: he’ll stop missing if you let him shoot open shots.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Please don't let Morrow shoot,
hopefully Bulls brass will be scouting this guy tonight
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
"I'm Italian."
That’s all that was missing, because “I’m a fighter” is an equally meaningless answer if he’s not showing anything on the court.
This team reminds me so much of the Brand-Miller-Artest Bulls, and of Phil Jackson’s assessment of whether Brand and the Bulls would eventually pull out of their losing. “All that losing starts to take its toll eventually,” Phil Jackson said, or something along those lines, and it’s true.
At some point the prospect of long term damage becomes a real possibility—to reputations, to psyches, to team chemistry— and if the environment doesn’t change, then the best players will start asking out of Chicago.
Plus, what good is the Great 2010 Plan if you lose so much that you scare all free agents away? Nice going, Reinsdorf. You delusional cheap ass.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
this is really true
Deng and Hinrich, regardless of what else you think of them, have now gone through this up and down, win and lose, follow playoff appearance with complete debacle of a season too many times.
They are damaged goods.
Have to keep Rose and Noah from getting there too.
Correction...
“VDN remains an unproven coach.”
That’s actually not correct. He has proven himself, beyond the slightest doubt, to be an incompetent NBA coach. In fact, when the Bulls organization finally does fire him, the odds of another professional team hiring him hover around nil. Ever.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Dec 10, 2009 11:46 PM CST reply actions
Why is he still our coach?
Even last season, he showed nothing, other than having his players play somewhat hard(on offense), that told any of us he was a good coach. Sure, there was the occasional decent play call, but overall we were a mess on both sides of the floor and looked best when our best players went iso.
It comes down to how the team looks. When it comes to playc allng and getting players freed up on offense, talent is not as big of factor as we think. Getting players that can cash in on the opportunities created by a good scheme is where the talent plays a factor. The Bulls look unprepared, as if they haven’t ever practiced together before, and that is inexcusable. No way around it, Vinny has failed as a tactician, in addition to failing as a motivator. He offers nothing as a coach and needs to be gone.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
They need Vinny
to represent the Bulls in the 3pt shoot-out at All-Star weekend
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
From Vinny's press conference after being hired:
"There are a lot of things to like about this young Bulls team," he added. "My efforts are going to be geared specifically toward getting the best out of each player – whatever their particular strengths may be that make them most successful. As a guard in this league, I always felt that I was that extension of the coach. Everyone I have talked to has expressed to me that they felt the Bulls are a great organization, and I am thrilled to be a part of it."
Really? Our best player is the point guard and sometimes doesn’t even touch the ball on offense. How is that getting the best out of Derrick? If Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Steve Nash ever went a full possession without touching the ball, it would be a first.
This is getting ridiculous. Were a laughingstock and Vinny has to go.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Thats just press conference jargon.
He also mentioned developing Tyrus and Noah. He abandoned Tyrus or they just couldn’t get on the same page I guess it depends on what you believe.
Everyone knows he should be fired PERIOD but the question is when? If they continue to give up on him when Tyrus gets back then maybe they make that move. Or maybe they wait until they play the Lakers and Celtics.
I think we can all take solace knowing VDN will be fired after this season. At the latest.
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
The question is when?
The answer is yesterday? He sucks and needs to be gone. Period. You don’t let a coach literally learn on the job in the NBA. Is there a precedent for that in the NBA? Giving an experience-less coach a job in a marquee market like Chicago? If only he did something like this in NY or Philly, he’d be booed to the lowest levels of hell.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
It might be a good idea to leave a comment on Jason's article supporting him
at this link. I did. For once, there’s a reporter on our side, and it looks like there’s some pressure on him to ask softballs like everyone else. If we throw a couple hundred comments on there in support, maybe he’ll keep sticking his neck out for us.
I hadn't noticed VDN's reply to the job question
I asked Vinny: "After losing 8 of 9 and losing a at home to a one win team; at what point does job security in your mind become an issue?" Vinny replied: "I don’t worry about that. I go to work everyday doing the best and trying to develop these guys. Those are questions for Gar (Forman), Pax, and Jerry (Reinsdorf). We’re fighting with what we have, we’ll keep on fighting; those decisions aren’t up to me."
At least Vinny knows who’s in charge.
First he throws his players under the bus,
now management. We’re fighting with what we have? He could mean that he’s fighting through injuries, but even injuries don’t explain why the active players have been getting killed.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
I more took from it the admission that there's no obvious chain of command at the top.
It’s like the old saying in football. If you have three QBs, you really have none.
I can see that.
Either way, he’s taking shots, and it looks like when he and the organization eventually split, there might be some shots taken on the way out.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Barkely made a great point tonight TNT. I think they're talking about the Bulls without actually saying it.
They said players aren’t going to run through the wall for a coach that won’t be there. They won’t play hard. That was Kenny.
Barkley said the teams that have taken on these contracts for LeBron and know they won’t be there next season are going through the motions. When things get bad it’s like a snowball effect.
Thats the Bulls. 70% of the team will be gone next season including the coach.
Maybe thats why they haven’t fired Vinny yet. Maybe it’s what I thought all along. He’s a cheap stepping stone coach until 2010. Vinny knows it was a two year stay. He’s just collecting a nice pay check. Like wink wink?
Puts his house on the market.. it kinda all makes some sence right?
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
Why would anyone want to come here after seeing this?
Wouldn’t a prime time player want to come to a team coming off of a somewhat respectable season?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Meh, there's plenty of money to be made no matter where the big ones play.
I can see it helping a guy like Bosh, but not Amare, Lebron, Wade or any other players getting the publicity they are.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
The larger the market size,
the larger the capital (paying NBA fans) flows into JR’s hands. Now, JR is the ultimate decision maker on how he redistributes this capital (i.e. quality players) and how he thinks his investment, risk/reward ,etc numbers are going to be. All from a business/capital perspective not down to who/what/when/where to set pick and rolls, etc.
his problem
is that he has hired the wrong guys at the lower levels. I remember at my job they promoted this guy who seemed like he was a straight shooter with upper management written all over him (yes, its an office space reference!) and 1 year later he is in jail for swindling thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. Point being, hiring the right people is hard, because you really don’t know how well they will perform when there on the job, and thats why you never fire everyone and start fresh unless your bankrupt. JR’s poorest decision was keeping Krause and firing everyone else.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
But JR did it again
He then fired Krause, but he kept all the guys that Krause had hired. That’s how Gar ends up staying and eventually rising through the ranks to acquire the GM placard.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 11, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
He should have kept phil
as a coach/GM…
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 15, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
This is kinda like.. the season before the summer of LeBron, Bosh, Wade.
You have to put yourself in the the players positions. Nothing this season matters expect LA and maybe Boston.
There is going to be like a power shift. You can feel it. Maybe NYC and Chicago get stars. It’s like the NBA players all know it.
The Bulls know they’ll get someone but they have to just play out this season undermanned. I’m thinking maybe Bosh signs with the Bulls.
Maybe LeBron goes to NYC. Wade stays. Boozer maybe goes to Miami or he comes here.
But my point is they all know it. They are like a fraternity.
Nothing that happens this season matters. ThatS kinda how you have to think about it.
Players know what markets are what and maybe the League is behind some of the power shifting.
They have the kinda shuffle the deck and make things more interesting?
It’s just a theory but I didn’t come up with it.
Charles Barkley did.
It’s like your going to a school but you know your moving after the school year. What would that be like? You might not take the teachers as serious because screw it your gone right?
We are the worlds dumbest city!- Dan Bernstein
uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh
THe problem with vinny
is the coaching staff around him. Not a pair of balls in the lot of them. He is frustrated at the spinelessness of the Bulls org up to Dorf and he is showing it with these press conferences and the sheer ineptitude of he overall coaching. They really tossed this guy into the fire and I bet when he does get fired, joins somewhere as an assistant and lands another coaching gig 5-6 years down the line he will look much better as a head coach.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
He was specifically talking about the Jazz
and them knowing Boozer won’t be there but yeah it still applies to the Bulls.
"It hurts, man. All losses hurt."-Joakim Noah
What pisses me off more than anything, besides VDN, is that its obvious JR doesnt care about winning
I see other teams that are already talented, and they bring in more talent…The lakers bring in artest and gasol, the magic bring in carter, the celtics bring in garnett, the cavs bring in shaq, the heat bring in marion…they are teams that want to win. Look who the bulls have brought in the last few years, ben wallace, pargo, miller, salmons and hunter. Yea, thats a team that really wants to win alright. What a greedy cheap bastard JR is. You think he is sitting up thinking about who is available next summer? hell no!! You think he is up late at night racking his brain to figure out a trade situation to make the most money available for someone who can help this train wreck, hell no. But here we are, night in and night out, discussing trades, looking at expiring contracts, and we dont even get paid for that, we are just fans. This team is owned by a piece of shit, and until he dies or sells, this team is going to suck badly for a long time.
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 11, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions
JR isn't the prob based
on how hard he cares about winning. He is a money man and he knows with a big market he has more to gain by winning than losing. The problem is who he has hired, he needs guys who can identify talent and a coach who can exploit it. Cutting the Garpax out of Garpaxdorf will go long ways. The state of the bulls has a lot to do with Krause crippling the franchise in a personal effort to embarrass Phil Jack. Krause is out of the NBA and Phil has added 4 championships!
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Is this shit something to be proud of?? F NO!!! This needs to change if we want to have a good team
Each of the teams whose fans rank among the best made it to the playoffs last year. The Chicago Bulls won just half of their games, but their fans still rank fourth overall. The city is still basking in memories of Michael Jordan – his No. 23 jersey is one of the most popular sold, helping make Bulls merchandise the fifth most popular in the league. The United Center sold out every home game last season.
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 11, 2009 1:41 AM CST reply actions
I don't get the NBA
They refuse to let HS players play ball without any College experience. But it’s okay to hire a coach without any experience and let him stunt the development of these kids.
At least HS players have played ball in HS. They have that experience to work on.
Vinny hasn’t coached anywhere before the Bulls.
that's not really a fair comparison
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Vinny should not be fired!
The person who should be fired is Pax. He’s had this team for what, seven, eight years? And they’re no better than when he started. Fire Vinny! Fire Vinny! Everyone says. Fire the guy that hired Vinny.
The only smart move Paxson’s made since running this team is hiring this secondary/primary assistant general manager dope. It’s like he sprinkled magic dust on himself because somehow no one blames him anymore.
We're far better than the Post-Jordan Kraus Bulls.
The Bulls were cellar dwellers. We’re not as bad.
Rebuilding to a championship team takes an all star. Pax hasn’t drafted one.
Orlando has Howard, Denver has Melo, LA has Kobe,… every top team has a all star.
The team that’s rebuilt themselves to contenders is the Celtics. It took two GMs to turn that franchise around. Suns signed Nash and made a run but failed.
Maybe the Pistons which rebuilt a team with a ensemble and luck. Miami’s run with Wade and Shaq.
Who do the Bulls have that is an All-Star?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
bulls
need a backbone, a true leader on the court. Isn’t that why they signed Ben Wallace to a 4 year 60 mil contract? Who is leading by example? Some one on the team needs to step up and Rose just isn’t quite ready yet.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Thats
been their biggest problem, Hinrich and Deng as captians is like Ron Artest being mentally stable.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 11, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Joakim Noah. I have no clue how you could miss that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I blame the media.
The media in Chicago is a joke and willingly and enthusiastically prints what the organizations tell them to. The same thing just happened with the Cubs. The Cubs were saying there was interest in Bradley and not denying it, while all the other clubs supposedly involved kept denying it. That’s what most organizations do. The “media” continued to report that there was interest in Bradley as if it were absolutely true without ever really questioning it.
I don’t know how it is with football, but it seems like a lot of the beat reporters are so enamored with just following the team that they seem to pretty much parrot the company line.
That, of course, leads Joe Average accepting the company line, which just re-confirms to the company that’s what meatheads want, and it just continues in a cycle.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Since this is now an old post, I want to pose some whininess.
As a game, how does this team look to you guys:
Rose – Lawson – Hinrich
Gordon – Hinrich – Salmons
Deng – Salmons
Thomas – Blair – Noah
Noah – Miller
All coached by Mike D’Antoni. They win at least 50 games, right? Hopefully, you can get Thomas for $9 million/year. Next year, you replace Salmons with a Kyle Singler type. If you want to save money, you could try to trade Hinrich for Blake & Outlaw/Webster and maybe a 2nd round pick right now. Replace Miller with Asik. if you can get a sign-and-trade this summer you can do it for Wade, Bosh…
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
thomas
and noah are good speedy bigs but I don’t think Blair has the legs to run the court and I know Miller doesn’t. Maybe sliding Deng up to give depth at the 4 and finding a big to play behind noah. everyone say what shaq did to phx… when is Asik supposedly coming to the nba?
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
You can't literally run ALL the time.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
d'antoni is loathe
to play more than 8, and that eighth guy only gets 5-12 minutes when he’s got his rotation. check the knick boxes and you’ll see he lets more play when he’s searching, but when he finds it, he runs with “his” guys. (runs ’em into the ground?)
nate robinson was a favorite, now he might as well be marcus banks…
remember, he played kurt thomas with utmost reluctance, despite the fact he was a rebounding fool who made them a top 10 defense (it’s true!). miller absolutely would not play, imo. blair is doubtful due to lack of range, and it’s doubtful anyone could’ve foreseen the possibility of drafting that combination. one of blair/lawson and one of young/jerebko/budinger is more reasonable hindsight. or taj, who might be as good (i personally don’t think so though).
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
If we have D'Antoni
I don’t know if we trade Noc for Miller and Salmons. Noc plays in the D’Antoni system just fine. No rebounding and shoots it whenever he is open.
We’d have shifted gears into an all offensive team with D’Antoni. The big benefit we needed was to make Hinrich, Nocioni, and Gooden look like better players than they actually are.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Dec 11, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
anybody see Noc botch that miss-FT-on-purpose this week?
he gave it a huge arc and committed a lane violation.
reminded me what a dumbass player he was. But hey, standing O when he returns!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
d'antoni
doesn’t like dumbass. loves quickness and athleticism.
see my big ass fanpost http://www.blogabull.com/2009/12/11/1196662/fossilized-the-dantoni-bulls blame it on tyger, yourself, or pick somebody else… (just don’t blame me????)
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Well, I was for Budinger for the past couple of years...
…so that’s who I would have gone with. That makes Salmons expendable. Miller would play, if only for ten minutes per game. I probably would have drafted Blair and told D’Antoni to deal with it, find a way to play him or yeah, maybe someone like Jerebko.
And it’s okay to have more than 8 players that can play, if even if D’Antoni only plays 8… especially if the extras are rookies. Aren’t we learning lack of depth is a problem?
So… you’re usually playing
Rose(36)-Hinrich(12)
Gordon(36)-Hinrich(12)
Deng(24)- Salmons(14)
Thomas(36)-Deng(7)-Noah(5)
Noah(30)-Miller(18)
The better your rookies play, the less Miller and Hinrich are needed. If D’Antoni really believed Budinger could play 15 mpg, I’d try to trade Salmons for a for-sure expiring PG that’s about the same price. I’m not too worried about his ability. Just want a body between Rose and Hunter.
They have seven usable players now (Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Deng, Thomas, Noah and Miller). I would only add Gordon (which = 8) and two rookies to that mix. I don’t see how it’s a problem. Miller might be an issue, but I have a feeling D’Antoni likes efficient offensive players.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
we have to be honest
i would’ve taken blair at 16. i didn’t like budinger at all, but that was when he was considered top ten! at 26, or in the f*ing second round(!), he’s a no brainer. but i might’ve gone for sam young or jonas at 26. probably not taj, who i ranked with sports2’s guy pendegraph.
i understand miller can shoot, but so could kurt t. miller’s defense and rebounding don’t compare, and while he can pass, he’s not a playmaker like diaw either. salmons is a guy d’antoni wanted, but god told john to go to sacramento, and d’antoni (panic?) chose to sign banks.
i swear, i think i could play this what if game suns/bulls for forever…
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
it's fun, isn't it?
I like playing what-if games right now. It’s allowing me to survey the land to pick a most competent franchise (in my opinion, of course).
As in, what if the Thunder had taken Noah instead of Jeff Green? (In my opinion, obviously), they’d have the greatest core possible of Westbrook, Harden, Durant and Noah and only a young starting PF away (which I think is more common than a C, especially this year). How awesome would someone like Kyle Singler (because of his 3-pt shooting) or even Greg Monroe because of his length and potential) look sandwiched between Noah and Durant? Yowzers.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
problem playing what if
with the suns is it’s just not much fun. the worst thing is being near the pinnacle and blowing it, when you didn’t really need to do much of anything but have a speck of foresight.
detroit is perhaps worse since they could’ve added a superstar to that championship contending non-star core. now chauncey and carmelo are paired anyway, but they’ve been unstoppable with even more skilled players surrounding them, and in the east.
okc is super promising, but jeff green limits them. (noah would be great plugged in there now though, ’cause their guards rebound well. and green scores well enough.) i agree that a noah is certainly harder to come by than a jeff green.
but what do i know? i think still deng, noah and tyrus can be a good front court. (i must be dumb?) can we at least recognize that other franchises have made bigger blunders than the bulls? after all, the stakes haven’t been that high for them, wading around just below mid-level as they’ve been.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
I had taken my eye off the Bulls for a bit...
… and now that you’ve come up on our [Boston’s] schedule, I was looking forward to the game, hoping for some competition and a cool match up in Rose vs Rondo.
With the way you guys have been losing lately, what are your expectations for tomorrows game? Will it be close? Do you think the effort will be there? Or will VDN screw stuff up once more?
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
pissin in my face and telling me it's raining
when they signed Lindsay Hunter this was portrayed as some kinda dual role move to help groom Derrick Rose, and you think back to the reason they gave for the Ben Wallace signing, and the Joe Smith signing, and the Davis signing and you see the pattern the only way that they judge talent is by hiring these long in the tooth veterans to somehow groom the young players . But that has a downside Old players get tired and used by young and up and coming players, and when you mix old with new it comes out as a mixmatch, Like driving a corvette with your foot on the brakes. In theory it sounds good but it is sad to watch
Another problem,
You waste a spot on Aaron Gray, he has to be one of the most useless players in the NBA, a cheaper and better player could be taking that spot and contributing, Gray needs to be in the D-League, or the Mexican League, yes the Mexican league, have and old highschool teammate hooping in Mexico
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
i'd be fine with lindsey
if he was able to whip these bulls into shape by saying something like ’I’ve been on championship teams and this isn’t getting us there’ but he is just as worthless as pargo and the rest of the bulls bench. I think gray is perfect to just have there for 3-5min to give Noah/Miller time to breathe or to toss out there during blow outs (err… when the bulls are dealing the blowouts) I like gray as the bulls victory cigar, so to speak.
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Dec 11, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
lindsay's Spot
Is on the row with Randy Brown and not on the bench and a 40 year old point guard elevates you to laughing stock.
message
what doe’s this say to Rose when you surround him with garbage, and he sees other franchises blooming, if I am him and eveybody is blaming me for this mess, I,m on the first thing smokin.
Not Smart.
Ah Vinny, when you say you don’t (or can’t) know until you have done it, you have already lost the argument. You see Vinny, then you can never comment on ANYTHING you have never done, EVER, to ANYONE, get it. You see everyone can have an opinion, everyone can make comments on what they see and hear, it is how YOU respond that will define you, and your response was one of fear and ignorance.
It never gets old when people say you can’t know until you have done it, make sure that is your REAL opinon, because then you can’t have an opinon about anything (outside of your small life).
Let's be patient
This time next week, if his butt is still coaching after the beatdown that is coming this site will be smoking.I may not have played in the NBA but getting your ass beat by 35 points is bad, and in any other town he would have been gone.
Like I say Christmas Eve,
He’s gone, thats how the Bulls spread holliday cheer
by QUINTEN DALEY on Dec 11, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hope
Bulls targeting Johnson?
Two NBA sources said the Chicago Bulls are emerging as one of the leading candidates to land Joe Johnson when the Atlanta Hawks guard becomes a free agent after the season.
Johnson, sources say, is intrigued about teaming up with Bulls point guard Derrick Rose. Johnson’s agent, Arn Tellem, also is close to Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and the Bulls would love an elite perimeter shooting threat to make up for the loss of Ben Gordon
This is what makes Rose important
He is respected around league, real basketball people who recognize how the game is played, know that Derrick is the goods, here he is coming off a Rookie of the year and 12 games into his second season everybody wants to know why he isn’t Micheal Jordan . See above for your future along with some other quality NBA players who want to play with him and be in the Chicago market and with subtraction of GM who thinks building a team through Duke style system which never worked in the NBA and Coach who is on the job training we may have hope.
by sugarbear06 on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
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