What about Iverson?
Allen Iverson is apparently having some serious issues in Memphis. Perhaps the Bulls should bring him in. I know many of you will throw this idea away immediately, but I think it deserves a little consideration. My idea would be to trade Salmons for him. I know the salaries don't match, but I believe they are close enough that it could be worked out rather easily. Now for the big question: Why?
A few reasons. The first, and most important, is scoring. Let's face it, this team has underperformed wildly in this area. John Salmons has been awful (other than the Bobcats game) and Derrick Rose, whether it be health related or not, appears to have taken a step back as opposed to the superstar leap we were expecting. I don't know how much Iverson has left in the tank, but if he does he could be a real nice scoring option on a team that is in dire need of someone like that. Even at his age he could probably give us comparable numbers to Salmons. Which brings me to my next point...
John Salmons is having a bad year (I know it's early). We really need him to opt out of his contract at the end of the season to achieve the maximum amount of cap space. I'm not sure what we can expect from him the rest of the way, but I am afraid that if he continues to underperform we could be stuck with him next year and essentially kill our chances at landing a big time free agent. So by doing this trade we'd be getting comparable talent, but be completely free of the contract at the end of the 09-10 season.
Next, many people won't want him here because they believe he'll be a malcontent. I don't think this will be a problem. The guy wants to start, and on this team that will not be an issue. He would jump in and immediately be our starting two. We would obviously lose a little something defensively, but let's face it, to win in today's NBA you gotta put up points. He's been through the battles and could possibly be a good mentor for a guy like Derrick.
So there ya go. I've really been thinking it over and I just don't see many drawbacks. A lot of this obviously comes down to how much or how little you think Iverson has left in the tank, but for one year I think it could be worth a shot. Not to mention that this is a year where basically everyone, including the organization, is expecting us to kind of run in place. Besides, AI in a Bulls jersey could be kind of fun. So what do you think?
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It seems like they are going to release him
So couldn’t we just wait for that as opposed to trading? Also, the reason he left is because he didn’t start before Mike Conley… so who is he going to start over here?
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well if he is released, that would be an issue
but I like the idea of trading Salmons for him. It tackles two issues. We would definitely have the cap space next year as well as having a decent option at shooting guard. It’s not perfect, but it’s a pretty interesting option. If salmons sucks or gets hurt, we’re screwed. This way we don’t have to worry about it.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson won't play any defense
I think his demands to start are ridiculous. I don’t want those problems to come here.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The new report says Iverson my retire, I say the Bulls should get him
The Bulls run a iso offense with an occasional pic and roll anyway. Iverson plays no different than Salmons, Deng and Pargo except that iverson will make more plays for other more.The Bulls need scoring on the perimeter that we only get no steadily from Kirt, Iverson does play defense. He would fit perfectly with this team, he’d get alot of minutes, and if Salmons won’t be consistent Iverson could even start. The Bulls are now on top of the division and Iverson would make this team that much better, especially if TT is used at all when he returns, don’t be stupid people, I verson can ball he just needs the right fix, and the Bulls need that one star who can score, Iverson is that man! STRAIGHT UP!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please no
He will ruin whatever chemistry this team has. That’s what he does, ruins teams.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Oh wait, ALLEN Iverson? Oh, God no.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You guys are trippin'
This is a one or two pass then shoot offense anyways. Iverson gives you scoring that ths team needs. As for team chemistry, VDN destroyed that a long time ago!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bahahahahaha
Yup, people are going to reject this idea immediately.
There’s a reason for that.
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by Prevenge on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I get if you don't agree, but it's not as ridiculous as you make it sound
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently 28 NBA teams think it's ridiculous
Because out of the 30 NBA teams, only two displayed even the slightest interest in signing him this offseason – the Grizzlies and Bobcats, two of the worst-run franchises in the league. No one else even offered him the minimum salary.
by Big D on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was overstated
I’ll bet that if he gets released by the Grizzles some team will pick him up
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you he won't.
After what happened with the grizzlies?
Who would want him?!?
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by Prevenge on Nov 8, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like the Bulls to get him, but I think the Lakers would pick up Iverson!
They don’t need a traditional point guard to run the triangle, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakers get him!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yeah, Iverson would start over Derek Fisher. Just like Farmar does.
Wait …
…
The Lakers already have Artest. While it’d be hilarious to see them grab Iverson, I don’t think it’d be … wise.
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by Prevenge on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't see Iverson as a chemistry destroyer like everyone else
He just needs the right offense. Denver wasn’t a good fit because they had Steve Blake and Anthony Carter playing alongside Iverson. You already had melo shooting everything, then you bring in Ivers who was still in the top 10 at least scoring as was Melo. That was a bad mix, Billups was a point guard Denver needed, they didn’t need another small guard. As for Detroit, the head coach handled that wrong off top. Iverson in Chicago or L.A wouldn’t be a bad idea at all. In L.A Iverson could defend the point and be another scoring option in the triangle. In Chicago he could be a go to guy when the Bulls need perimeter scoring, he can also make plays and get others easy shots, the Bulls would do really well with taking him and not listening to the negative stuff!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense? Everyone was bitching about having a small 2 guard who can score and not defend. Why bring in one that is currently past his prime? I’d rather bring in a McCants or Von Wafer type for instant offense.
by C Smoove on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm sure that was what AI thought this summer TOO
Do you really think signing with the freakin’ Grrizzlies was his first choice? He signed there because no one else wanted him. What has he done since then that would make anyone else want him?
by Big D on Nov 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Iverson threw a hissy fit on the Grizzlies because he was benched for a whole three games.
This isn’t even because they were planning to bench him – it’s because he was injured.
I’m fairly convinced that Iverson would be bad for team chemistry, as well.
He’s just … he was a great player. He could be great now if he could accept that starting was not the be-all and end-all. But he can’t.
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by Prevenge on Nov 8, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it was just Iverson for Salmons I wouldn't do it
but the caveat of making sure that we have the cap space is what really put it over the top for me. There’s no doubt in my mind that AI is a major pain in the ass. I guess I was just being optomistic thinking that if he came here and got starters minutes we could appease him. Apparently you don’t. I get it. But I really don’t think this is the last we’ve seen of him. Somebody will give him another shot if he wants it.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd support the Salmons for Iverson move
if it was understood that Iverson would most likely sit at home and sulk for the entirety of the year.
…
I don’t know. The Clippers wouldn’t touch him. I mean, wow.
It’s all theoretical so we can’t know what’ll happen, but … yeeeah.
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by Prevenge on Nov 8, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson wouldn't be bad for chemistry here, the team has no hands down leader
We need a scorer, and Iverson can score. Now if Vinny gets stupid Iverson probably will say something here or there, but it’s o.k because I hate Vinny and I think you should too. Iverson will be justright in Chicago!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Grizzlies coach is a fool
He could have had a starting lineup of Iverson, Mayo, Gay, Randolph, and Gasol, instead he starts Conley, and gives the rookie with a girlie hairdo alot of run!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry man, it is
You are just looking at the numbers he MAYBE could bring. But AI is crazy.
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 9, 2009 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
But we should all remember how awesome Iverson was in his prime. There will never be another player like him, for better or worse. He had so much talent he never had to make adjustments for a professional career.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
word.
an absolutely fantastic player in his day. i always loved watching him play and was AMAZED that a guy my size could lead the NBA in scoring. watching him shake jordan out of his shoes back in 96-97, something i never thought i’d see. simply an amazing player.
as for the bulls picking him up now? HELL NO.
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by DLRoth on Nov 8, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a terrible idea for a 1 year trial.
Tyrus is hurt, so we’d probably move Deng to the 4 and Gibson to the bench, with Salmons to his natural 3 spot (he’s handled the ball so poorly at the 2).
The reason Memphis wanted Iverson to come off the bench is because he brings that bench unit scoring, not necessarily because he’s not starter worthy. He just fits better with the 2nd unit but apparently his mind cannot handle that.
I’m not sure how that situation was botched, after Detroit and all those meetings with Memphis you’d of thought they would have talked about exactly what he would do for the team. Maybe he was promised a starting role but after he got injured they changed their minds?
Either way, for 1-2 million or so I think he would be worth considering as our 2 guard.
by RyPac13 on Nov 8, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Listen Iverson now......is still beter than Salmons and Deng!
scoring wise…..
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring wise yes…but the only reason we are winning is the fact our D is halfway decent, having AI makes our perimeter like swiss cheese. His extra points doesn’t make up for how the defense would suffer.
by C Smoove on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would obviously lose a little something defensively
Epic Understatement.
The Bulls are actually playing defense this year (8th in the league) and it is one of the reasons they are in first place in their division.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well you'd be overstating it to say that if he came in the whole thing would fall apart
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but our offense isn't good enough
to get even more production from Iverson than he would give up on the defensive end.
Also, if there is one guy on my list of players to keep away from Derrick Rose it is Allen Iverson.
Remember what happened in Denver? George Karl had to drag Melo and JR Smith away from AI. They were getting drafted into his posse.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm usually pretty positive
but this is probably the worst idea i’ve read on this blog. Without sarcasm, i’d rather have Larry Hughes back than bring Iverson onto this team. He adds nothing positive, and is a team killer on both ends of the court, as well as in the locker room.
On offense, he’s a low efficiency scorer who wants to take every shot. He does not space the floor and is a career 31% shooter from 3 point range, which dropped to 28% last year. In Detroit last year, hes eFG% was .432 in 50 games. .432! In comparison, Salmons was .543, and Hinrich was .519.
In the past Iverson led teams that were built around him taking all the shots… he led the league for 6 out of 7 years in usage % where he averaged over 35%. Problem is, he wants to do the same for teams that are not built around him and his shot selection. As the primary ball handler who had the ball more than anyone in the league, and who has averaged 42mpg, his career high in assists is less than 8. In the year he went to the finals, he had 4.6 assists in 42 minutes. What i’m stressing here is that he’s not a PG and the degree to which his game and past success depended on a team that was built around him taking every shot.
On defense, where Hughes had ability, Iverson has none. At 6’ even, he’s short for even a PG. Gordon is on the all defensive team as compared to Iverson, who only had one trick in his youth, which was to use his amazing speed to get 3 steals working the passing lanes. Now that he’s no longer as speedy, he gets lit up by every SG and PG that he goes up against, as he lacks the ability, height, or will to shut them down.
You say it can’t hurt to sign him? This is the same guy that went to the media and complained after 1 game in Memphis that he deserved to start, right? The guy that will refuse to play for you if he doesn’t start and get his minutes. Two different teams in less than a year have decided they’d rather pay him to sit at home than come to the arena and be a distraction with his selfish demands.
All of you that think this is a good idea, where does he make the Bulls better? You seriously want to start a 6 foot, poor defense not even considering height, low efficiency player who believes he’s the top offensive threat and demands the ball, career 31% 3pt shooter…. at SG next to Derrick Rose? Over who? Making a panic trade to get rid of Salmons after 5 games will certainly kill this season, and is not necessarily going to improve the future.
by runningman on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I stopped reading your comment
after this:
i’d rather have Larry Hughes back than bring Iverson onto this team.
by diedaily23 on Nov 8, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with it!
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by Prevenge on Nov 8, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is probably the worst idea i’ve read on this blog.
Thank you! At least I’ve failed in grand fashion. On a serious note, I was not in love with this just to bring Iverson in, it was the bonus of riddding ourselves of Salmons option. And although you wanna rag on his stats, and rightfully so, career wise, the person currently filling that spot has not been very impressive at all (minus last year). It’s not like I’m saying trade D Rose for him.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd run right over a guy like Vinny.
No thanks. We just need a good offensive threat. One that wouldn’t immediately change the dynamic of the rest of the team.
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by cranscape on Nov 8, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we need a shooter
not another ball handler, imo.
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by Jaina on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely agree there
We actually had a guy like that once, he currently plays for the Pistons
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we’re winning is improved D. Iverson and Rose makes our backcourt possibly the league’s worst defensively. Any offense we get from AI negated by guards penetrating into the lane at will. Rose will have to guard the SGs cause AI is only 5 foot 11. And if Deng is a 4 permanently, that is an injury just waiting to happen.
There is no point in bringing in AI besides salary cap purposes. He is done as a player, can still score but it’s not even worth it anymore.
by C Smoove on Nov 8, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please delete this fanpost
WTF were you thinking, haven’t you read the espn articles lately about him being a cancer?? You want to bring a supersized ego-maniac to a team that has chemistry?? You sir are a MORON!
by Bulls Mouthpiece on Nov 8, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
DUDE, NO WAY!!!!! HE'S A CANCER??!!!!!! YOU READ THAT IN AN ACTUAL ARTICLE?!!!
HOLY SHIT BRO!!!!
I TOTALLY FORGOT THIS TEAM HAS MAD CHEMISTRY?!!!!!
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WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING???!!!!!!!
I’M TOTALLY FREAKING OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 8, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read his quotes
He is self-absorbed and has never won anything in his career. A career 40% shooter, that is a gun. The list goes on and on.
Even if this team didn’t have chemistry, there would be no reason to bring him here. Stupid fuckin post.
by Bulls Mouthpiece on Nov 8, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for another insult!
I know that you are frightened of AI’s cornrows and all the scary articles that have been written, but what exactly do you think will happen if he gets here? You make it sound like he’s gonna come in and shoot Derrick Rose.
I understand that this team has good chemistry and they all seem like decent guys, but let’s not forget that it’s good chemistry on a very mediocre basketball team. When will people realize that 90% of chemistry is winning. When this team loses a back to back against the Knicks and Bucks we’ll see what their “chemistry” is like.
And please quit giving me Iverson’s stats as some sort of condemnation, cause I could just as easily turn it around and say worse things about John Salmons. You know, the guy who is currently beginning his first season in the NBA as a full time starter (with very poor results thus far).Then there’s this:
He is self-absorbed and has never won anything in his career. A career 40% shooter, that is a gun. The list goes on and on.
You say he’s “never won anything” yet I do remember him playing in the NBA finals. Or was that just a dream? And if that isn’t enough winning perhaps you’d like to call Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Jason Kidd etc. to all go fuck off? That’s a lame argument.
And this part:
40% shooter, that is a gun
I really don’t know what “that is a gun” means or what exactly you are trying to say, but when you are evaluating a player there is a lot more than just fg%. You didn’t choose to include the incredible amount of times that he got to the free throw line did you? It’s the same reason that Derrick Rose can shoot 48% in his rookie season yet still be a very inefficient player.
And in neither of your quick hitting little posts, which were apparently created just to prove that you know how to curse, call people names and use caps, did you ever show any understanding of the main reason why I wanted to do this in the first place: CAP SPACE. But thanks for all your input!
Sincerely,
“MORON”
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You want Iverson to be a mentor for derrick
that to me is the dumbest and most laughable statement you made. The guy has had problems in every team he’s gone too. He’s destroyed the Pistons, Nuggets and now the Grizzlies(not like they had much) What makes you think we’re going to be any different????
Ohh and going to the finals one year and losing does not equate to him being a winner. He is OVER-Rated!!! So he’s had like two good playoffs in his career whooopty dooooo!!!!!!! Other than that his ass gets kicked out of the first round becuase he’s a gun and can’t play defense. This guy is not a team player. HOW DO YOU FAIL TO SEE THIS?
Wait you just said Rose shot 48% and is inefficient. WHAT???? Yet your pining for a player that shoots 40%. Whether he goes to the free-throw line or not has no affect on his field goal %(you do know that right?).
by Bulls Mouthpiece on Nov 9, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a dumbass.
Wait you just said Rose shot 48% and is inefficient. WHAT???? Yet your pining for a player that shoots 40%. Whether he goes to the free-throw line or not has no affect on his field goal %(you do know that right?).
I am aware that going to the free throw line has no effect on his fg%, HOWEVER, it absolutely has an affect on his offensive efficiency, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. And while this might totally blow your mind (hold on to a chair or something) it is entirely possible for a player to have a lower fg% than another player yet still have a better year. I’ll give you that little nugget just so you don’t sound like such a jackass in the future.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I just had to get that straight...I was worried about you for a bit
Of course he’s going to have a higher rate of FTA per game, because he’s the epitome of a gunner. Somebody who hoists up 25 shots a game most likely will get to the line at a higher clip as well. You get that?
by Bulls Mouthpiece on Nov 9, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo...
You’re putting Iverson at 30-something on the same level as Charles Barkley, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd when they went to the Finals?
Even if you were only trying to make a point, it doesn’t matter.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 9, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Did you read what I wrote? I wasn’t trying to say that at all. I was just trying to point out that Iverson wasn’t as much of a “loser” as that guy was making him out to be.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not exactly sure we need a shooter over a guy that will take the ball to the hoop or take short jumpers.
Deng, Salmons, Hinrich, even Rose this year (Miller as well) all take plenty of jump shots for us.
We don’t need another guy taking 19 foot jumpers with a hand in their face.
Not saying Iverson is the answer, but for his cost (probably cheaper than Pargo if he gets on waivers) I don’t see a huge negative. We could just cut him if he caused trouble, and I think he has a ton more upside than a Lindsay Hunter, Jannero Pargo or Aaron Gray.
Just saying… no need to freak out on the author of this fanpost, even if you disagree.
by RyPac13 on Nov 8, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And all 4 also go to the basket,
and it’s not like Iverson doesn’t shoot, he’s just not good at it. The difference is, the other 4 at least have the capability to hit a jumpshot, where Iverson does not.
by runningman on Nov 9, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, the games I’ve seen (except for the Spurs game) we’ve basically taken a pass then taken a long 2 point shot 75% of the time. I don’t think that’s good for any team.
Rose hasn’t been driving as much, Salmons seems to dribble the ball off his foot half the time he drives to the hole and while Deng has been more active, at times he reverts back to that 18 foot contested jumper.
It’s not like these are shots that go on after 6 passes or when the shot clock is at 5 seconds. We’ve been way too content taking jumpers instead of driving the lane. Luckily Deng and Noah have been great on the offensive boards this year and our defense has been solid or we’d probably only have one or two wins right now.
It’s not like we don’t have shooters. Hinrich and Miller and Salmons and Deng are pretty good open shooters. They just aren’t guys you want to rely on from 18 feet out when they aren’t open, but there aren’t many guys you can rely on in that spot in this league.
by RyPac13 on Nov 8, 2009 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They are taking jumpers because there is no room to drive to the hoop
there is no room to drive to the hoop because the floor isn’t spaced. the floor isn’t spaced, because the Bulls are not a good jumpshooting team. The two are related, that is my point.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 8, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there has been plenty of room, but derricks a gimp and its not really hinrichs or dengs game.
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by TheMoon on Nov 8, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Salmons?
i’ve heard your views before. You don’t think 3pt shooting matters to spacing. You are wrong.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
salmons has been able to get near the basket, he has just missed a lot so far.
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by TheMoon on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons is trying to replace BG
and is failing miserably at it.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Nov 9, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I'd do this trade.
However, your argument is presented well, and I don’t think it would be that bad of an idea, especially if we could free ourselves of Salmons’ contract obligations. Good post.
by Pat19 on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think this would've been accepted a lot better if you proposed it as a simple way to clear $6 million off of our cap space for next year,
since we’re on the ‘2010 or bust’ plan anyways.
I don’t think Salmons is going to opt out. This’ll give us $6 million more for the year, and the worst thing AI can do to us is not show up, which isn’t too bad.
We don’t have enough guard depth to do it, though.
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by Prevenge on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And that was seriously the whole reason I came upon the idea
It’s not like I’m clamoring for Iverson or something, which is the way some people are making it sound. It just seemed like it could be a smart financial move and one that would not totally kill a team that really isn’t expected to do much in the first place. If we had a really good team established here, then I wouldn’t even consider it. But for a middling team who’s main goal is to get improvement from young players, what’s all the fuss about?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because you proposed it as an upgrade,
and said that Salmons is playing horribly and will for the rest of the season [and he is playing horribly, but it’s 6 games in …], and said that AI will help our offense [debatable, especially if he doesn’t start], and said that A.I. might teach Derrick Rose a think or two, which …
nononononononono.
As the manager of Dethklok would have said, “That’s my bread and butter you’re fucking with.”
If we can call up some random 2-guard from the D-League that can hit threes [spacing!] and kind of defend [whoops, now Byars is in Europe, yay!], then we could do this.
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by Prevenge on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely might have been a reach saying he could teach Rose something
but I’n really not that high on Salmons so I stilldo kinda think AI would be an upgrade. In the past Salmons hasn’t been much of a three point shooter and this year so far, he’s kind of proving that out. Especially the catch and shoot variety, which is really what we could use.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does Salmons
3 point percentage have anything to do with it, when it’s indisputable that Iverson is a worse 3 point shooter than he is? You can’t say this is a problem you’re trying to correct and then propose a solution that makes it worse.
by runningman on Nov 9, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson can't shoot threes either,
as runningman said.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Nov 9, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that
I was trying to point out (poorly) that if both guys are bad 3 point shooters, I would rather just have the better all around offensive player. And although it’s highly debatable, I feel like AI still could be better. Plus the added bonus of having an expiring contract.
Listen, I really hate that I’m sitting here defending AI against everyone. I’m not really much of a fan myself. I was kinda bored at the time and wrote this just as something to think about, I wasn’t expecting this onslaught of anger about it. People are aware I’m not the GM, right?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Memphis have cap space so Salmons could be traded for Iverson straight up?
That would put the Bulls about 4 million under the luxury tax, so they could sign another player (PF while TT is out) and if AI was disruptive, they could “Tim Thomas” him and sign a SG.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question
I’m pretty sure they do, but not positive. As far as “Tim Thomasind him”, that was kinda my thinking as well. If he’s an ass you cut your losses and move on. But this is obviously based on how much you value John Salmons. I don’t really. So really the worst case is you get AI, and if he doesn’t work out you have Kirk Hinrich getting a majority of the minutes at SG the rest of the way.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich for Salmons is a wash, so the Bulls would just need to pick up someone better than Hunter and
Pargo to be the third guard.
Since the Bulls are not a championship contender, I see no reason not to trade anyone not named Rose or Noah for a shot at a first tier star in 2010.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!
Someone that sees the big picture rather than just saying “Iverson’s a cancer!”. That was my point. Guaranteed future flexibility is the most important thing for the Bulls. If the Bulls go 41-41 and Salmons sucks and decides to pick up his option we’ll see what people think then.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to ESPN Trade Machine
Memphis only has $886.5K in cap space, so they would need to throw in filler such as Steven Hunter (bring out the DePaul fans?) to make the trade work.
Also, AI can not be traded until December 15th.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
STUPID
“you are one pathetic loser” hence dumb and dumber
by AFireInside661 on Nov 9, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A.I.
another great mentor for Derrick Rose, do it…
by wiltfongjr on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm I hope.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
by sue369 on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
If he retires I would rather have Iversaon coming off the bench instead of Pargo…but he is not a starter on a contender anymore…more like a sixth man
by mustanging5 on Nov 9, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but his problem is
he doesnt want to be a 6th man, he wants to be a starter. I dont like the thought of getting AI…I like him as a player, and he def was a great player, but in my opnion, bringing him in would disrupt a team which is young and getting to know how to play with each other. I think a good veterean is a great asset to a team, and we should just be satisfied with “coach” Lindsey Hunter….bringin in Iverson brings in a whole new set of problems we could do well without
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 10, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson said he will NEVER come off the bench.
by C Smoove on Nov 9, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He can come off the couch!
And by “come off” I mean “get stuck there with crazy glue”.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Nov 9, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, there’s obviously no reason to even think of signing Iverson unless we wanted him to start as our 2.
If we signed him to a non guaranteed contract we could just cut him at first sign.
But the people that say “no way” do raise interesting points, particularly his low FG % and to an extent his defense.
I do remember him being good on fast breaks and anticipating steals, but that’s obviously a gambling game (though one that paid off for Ariza last year and he’s “all defender”).
It’s not a move I’m positive on, but I think it’s worth the Bulls to at least review. I will stipulate that I feel like any GM should be constantly reviewing these types of matters, so it’s not anything out of the ordinary for me to have this opinion.
by RyPac13 on Nov 10, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If he's released or retires, I would look in to it....
I wouldn’t trade Salmons for him, if u said Pargo and Gray I’d jump at it tho LOL… In all seriousness, the thing that this team is lacking is someone who can put the ball in the basket. A.I. is a master at this.
During the offseason, I truly believe he was looking for a spot to start. I really believe a lot of the blame for what’s going on now has to go to the Grizz management. The way they brought him in made it seem like he would be a starter, they brought him there to put butts in the seats everyone knows that. Ur “star” attraction shouldn’t be coming off the bench. Plus, do u really believe that Conley is a better player than him? I don’t and u know he doesn’t. The Grizz should have made their plans known before signing him, I bet if he knew from jump he’d be coming off the bench, he never would have signed. During his leave of absence, I truly believe that he’s taking an introspective look at things, which is where the retirement talk comes from. He can still be a valuable piece to a contending team, just not a starter, and maybe he’s realizing that, he’s better off coming off the bench for a contender than starting for a hopeless Grizz team. Something that I think pride got in the way of before.
If he’s released or retires, and a contending squad comes to him like, “Look AI we have a spot for u where u will get consistent minutes, but u won’t be a starter, we want u as our 1st scoring option off the bench.” I can’t see him turning it down or becoming a problem.
I’d love to have him coming off the bench with Hinrich. He would be a better BG in my mind.
by Ceasaleo on Nov 11, 2009 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He specifically said that he doesn’t even see himself as a reserve. He will not come off the bench. Sure he can score but I think our D would suffer too much. So any points he gives is offset by what we give up.
by C Smoove on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson is a top-ten scorer in the history of the NBA...
What makes people think he cannot still ball… The man was fearless forever and always put fans in the seats. And for a reason. Iverson is exactly the player the Bulls need right now. He’s a hall of famer. If people think that Shaq (super fat &old) and lebron (super-sick) could be a contending duo, then why wouldnt the thought of Rose (sick) and Iverson (old) be a decent remedy of a backcourt. I think that with the talent surrounding them it would be a team to contend for a title this year.. No joke.. Think about it. And I am pretty sure Iverson would figure out who is the more elite player between him and rose… I bet a 1 VS 1 game would be enticed during a practice, and rose would rock him…
by PTBALLER1523 on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Except Shaq and Lebron isn't contending so far this year.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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