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With everyone speculating about what The Org will be able to accomplish this summer with regard to free agents, Tyrus' extension, etc., I'd be interested to know the answer to this question:

Let's say (hypothetically) that the Bulls are able to create enough cap space to sign a max free agent without moving Tyrus or renouncing his rights, and the first thing they do this summer is sign Wade.  Obviously this assumes that they have been able to create enough cap space around Tyrus' cap hold to sign Wade (probably not possible, but let's assume it is for now).  Once the ink is dry on Wade's contract, can they then go ahead and sign Tyrus to a contract greater than his cap hold, thereby going above the cap due to the fact that the Bulls still own Tyrus' rights (and you're allowed to go above the cap to resign your own players)?

If this is legit, then this only works in that order: sign Wade first (so that total payroll is under the cap), then sign Tyrus (and legally go above the cap).

In reality, this is probably a moot point, as Tyrus' cap hold is likely to be greater than he is worth anyway, and the Bulls are unlikely to make the moves necessary to free up max FA cap space around his cap hold.  However, if Tyrus has an underwhelming or injury plagued year - or the market for his services is quiet - maybe the bulls could sign him to a highly discounted deal (well below his cap hold), and still have room for Wade/Bosh/Johnson.  In this scenario though, I think we're more likely to see Taj Gibson as starting PF rather than resigning Tyrus the rabble rousing trouble maker.

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As long as the Bulls don't renounce their rights to Tyrus, they will hold his Bird rights

which means they can go over the cap to sign him. But, like you said, it’s a moot point as the cap hold is actually greater than the max contract that Tyrus can sign.

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by snley on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

Cool.

So while it might not be especially relevant to the bulls, it could be an interesting strategy for teams with unexpected stars or budding stars, whose expiring contracts are far less than what they are likely to resign for.

Trying to think if there are any such teams that will be in the market for a 2010 free agent…

by Diz on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Was looking for some more info regarding ability to re-sign players whose rigts a team has waived

and found that even giving Tyrus the QO could be a bit more risky than this organization usually likes to get. If a team makes the QO, they have until July 23 to rescind it. Between July 23 and October 1, the RFA must agree to allow the team to rescind the QO. Essentially, Tyrus could offer some payback to the shitty way the organization has treated him by refusing to accept the QO or allow the Bulls to get out of it. Of course, if the Bulls are waiting until after July 23 to sign an UFA, it’s a very bad sign that they’ll likely be getting someone from the second tier of free agents at best. Unless he comes back from this illness and has a monster season, I’d be shocked to see the Bulls give Tyrus the QO even as a back up plan.

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by snley on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

if the bulls are gonna sign a big free agent

it will happen before the 23rd i assume. that’s like 3 weeks after the moratorium.

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by Jaina on Nov 6, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, so i missed the last part of what you said

but yeah, i mean i’d think giving tyrus the QO would be ok, because it means if they do sign a free agent they are not going to be paying a lot. i dunno. i assume he’ll be offered it but i could be wrong.

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by Jaina on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

2 wks after the moratorium

starts july 1st, ends july 8th

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by tyger1147 on Nov 8, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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