Game Preview # 5: Bulls at Cleveland Cavaliers
[UPDATE by your friendly BullsBlogger, 11/05/09 2:19 PM CST: Tyrus Thomas is flying commercial and going to meet the Bulls in Cleveland tonight. May or may not play. I give up.
Thanks to wjb1492 for today's game preview. My initial thoughts on this game is that the Murder Train A Comin'. Then I figured that the Bulls do have a chance to out-hustle and out-run an especially immobile Cavs team. Then I figured that without Tyrus Thomas they don't really have this especially athletic roster conducive to running. Hinrich, Salmons, Taj, Miller, gimpy Rose.... even though Deng is effective in transition he's not a superior athlete. It's basically just Noah at this point. -ed.]
So I really don't want to relive Tuesday's Milwaukee game, from which the Bulls managed to scrape a W in spite of collectively playing like garbage much of the night. The exception was Luol Deng, who has managed to silence most of his critics with his play so far this regular season. Suffice it to say that, after getting our hopes up with a nice win over a San Antonio team many have predicted to be a serious contender this year, the Bulls' next three games have fans once again predicting doom and gloom for the season. A blowout loss, a 4th quarter choke, and a slim two-point victory over a predicted cellar dweller don't exactly inspire confidence, even with the team sitting at .500 for the season.
Through four games, the Bulls offense is ranked 27th in the league, and guys expected to play key roles in the offense are struggling - Tyrus Thomas (47.1%), Derrick Rose (44.2%), James Johnson (41.0%), Kirk Hinrich (41.0%), and John Salmons (33.9%) all have sub-.500 true shooting percantages so far. John and Kirk have been particularly frightening, as our "3-point threats" are currently shooting 18.2% and 13.3% from 3 respectively. It's no wonder that people are having flashbacks to the miserable 07/08 season!
(I've left out Lindsey Hunter, since he's not expected to play a key role in anything but honorary titles this season - but for the record, Captain Hunter is shooting 0% and sporting a PER of -20. True, he's only played 7 minutes and attempted 2 shots, but anytime you can be in the "Top 5" of something deserves mention, right? Even if the category is Worst PER in the League....)
I tend to be a major optimist where my sports teams are concerned, though, and I'm far from ready to give up on the season. The optimist in me is holding onto the facts that (1) Boston is generally considered the most talented team in the leauge when healthy, and the Bulls faced them on the second night of a back-to-back while Boston was rested, (2) Miami is a good team with a superstar, and Chicago hung tough the entire game on Miami's home court, and (3) the team did not quit in spite of being down 18 points mid-way through the third quarter to the Bucks.Meanwhile, the defense is currently 11th best in the NBA, in spite of having played 3 decent to great offenses (excluding Milwaukee). The offense is a classic chicken/egg conundrum - does the offense look bad because key guys are shooting poorly, or are key guys shooting poorly because the offense isn't great? In my humble opinion, it's a little of both. The odds of both John Salmons and Kirk Hinrich shooting this poorly all year have to be infinitesimally low, and hitting more shots will undoubtedly improve the offense beyond the mere increase in team FG%. And at least the front court is playing reasonably well.
All that said, tonight's game is likely to be rough, to say the least. After starting a surprising 0-2 (losing to Boston and @ Toronto), Cleveland has won it's last 3 games by an average margin of 13.3 points. The Cavs offense is currently ranked 16th in the league, and it's defense 7th. They have bigs our front court might struggle with, and of course they have Lebron James. Having Tyrus Thomas expected to miss the game with the flu (not "flu") won't help. Last season, the Cavs won 3 of 4 against the Bulls, with an average scoring margin of +7.5, and the W the Bulls did scrape out came on one of Lebron's worst games of the season, without Zydrunas Ilgauskas playing, and with Delonte West leaving early with an injury - and it still took OT.
For the game tonight, looking at the Accuscore simulations, Cleveland won 84% of the time, and won big (by 10+ points) 52.6% of the time, with an average score of Bulls losing 96.8 to 86.3. If the Bulls come out playing and shooting like they did to start the Milwaukee game, it's going to be a whole lot uglier than that. But I always pick the Bulls to win, even would logic would dictate otherwise. Shooting slumps have to come to an end at some point. And, even though Cleveland is predicted to do great things this season, they really haven't done much yet with two of their 3 wins coming against Minnesota and Charlotte. So until proven otherwise (which hopefully won't happen in the first five minutes of the game), I'm going to hold out hope that the near loss and comeback win on Tuesday will have galvanized the Bulls into a great effort, that Kirk and John come out hitting tonight while Luol and Joakim continue their great play, and that Derrick leads the team well even if still somewhat hampered by that dratted ankle. After all, the Bulls went 4 and 1 in Thursday games last year, while Cleveland was a mere 5 and 4 - and Chicago it currently batting 1.000 on Thursday night TNT appearances for this season!
Check out the coverage from the Cavs side on Fear the Sword.
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Hot damn!
Through four games, the Bulls offense is ranked 27th in the league
Is it really that bad? Well it’s good to know the defense is almost top ten so far. I think the offensive numbers will rise once Derrick gets his mojo going and maybe even more time for JJ in a long season. He can score. Come on Vinny! Oh and Salmons seems to be getting his shot back.
Playing the Cavs in their house I see little hope for the Bulls tonight. They play really well together so I could see that causing problems for the Bulls. Oh and that other guy is just really good.
I do think the Bulls will ‘’get up’’ for this one. Whatever that means.. maybe they’ll play a good quarter?
JJ breakout game.. you watch… heard it hear first! ( I say that every game) Though I like my chances tonight.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 5, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we could be a top 5 defense
if Tyrus Thomas plays more minutes.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Average offense minus best offensive players = worse offense.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot about Salmons
he’s anything but average. How many other players wait for the defensive players to guard him before taking a shot?
by diedaily23 on Nov 5, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
when did JJ even play?
was it against the celtics? i missed that game… thankfully, apparently lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Nov 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yes garbage time against the Celtics.
he played 11 minutes.. 4 points. Still I think it’s time to start getting him some more minutes. Specially with Tyrus out.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll see Deng at the 4 tonight
Is Thomas definitely out? I’d really like him to play and to guard LeBron James.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas is on his way to Cleveland!! SPREAD THE WORD!!
by juicewolta on Nov 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We all know...
that this is the missing piece in beating The LeBrons.
by mynameistyler on Nov 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaa
he took 8 steps
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the comments on the video are great
he should’ve been called for 2 travels in that play.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I might start using this to describe James and his drives to the rim
“That’s like 8 twix!”
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 5, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 5, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he doesn't vomit or get bubble guts on the court if he plays.
Catching VDN this time of year is a real mutha!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Posted this on another thread but Tyrus is on a plane and plans to play.
Hate it or love it, I really want to see this man win.
Never Gave In, Never Gave Up. I'm the only thing I'm afraid of.
by BigEazy on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully that means he's healthy enough that they let him play
and that he’s recovered enough to play well. Having him available is a much better option than not.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prediction: he plays poorly
apologists like me say he’s still sick
haters say he still sucks
there is no in between
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if he plays well
apologists say he rulez
haters say he was never sick to begin with.
tyrus can’t win.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those who saw Jordan's flu game
You ain’t seen nothing yet.
by YaoPau on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
KC
A wan-looking Thomas boarded a commercial flight by himself this afternoon. Sitting in first class and drinking Odwalla orange juice, Thomas said, “I’m doing alright. Just want to be there.”
Asked if he’s going to play, he said, “Gonna try it.”
Thomas missed Tuesday’s home game and Wednesday’s practice with the flu. Coach Vinny Del Negro had said there was a small chance Thomas would meet the team in Cleveland, but most people considered that chance remote.
“No big deal,” Thomas said.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 5, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But Noe Valley says he has H1N1, QUARANTINEEEEE
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 5, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Bulls are hoping he can infect Lebron
That might be their only way to stop him.
by Big D on Nov 5, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh, said something similar on the earlier thread
I hope it’s repeated everywhere because it was such a turdish thing to say. alec-esque, even.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how can this be? I thought Tyrus was unprofessional?
by diedaily23 on Nov 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is! He's going to show up and infect the entire team!
And everyone else who flew with him to Cleveland.
by Sports2 on Nov 5, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Why is Tyrus always standing next to Taj Gibson?"
by YaoPau on Nov 5, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol, good one
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 5, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they're 2-2, and after tonight they'll be 2-3.
so what? they figure to be 5-10 or 6-9 entering november, but that won’t even mean they’re a bad team or won’t finish with 41, 45 or 49 wins.
the defense is much improved and the offense has much room for improvement. they actually have gotten more points in the paint than i would’ve guessed. a healed rose would help. maybe deng can stay healthy, and maybe tyrus and vinny get it figured out (i.e., tyrus gets 30+ mins).
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Nov 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
indeed,
we all need to give Rose a mulligan for this early season, he is obviously playing through some pain right now.
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isaiah Thomas shredded the Lakers on a bum ankle in Game 6 of the 1988 finals.
43 points, and 25 in the 4th quarter. http://www.chinavbox.cn/show/DK6RSAB3.html
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the playoffs
He wouldn’t have risked his career for a regular game.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Nov 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he sprain the ankle halfway through the shredding?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 5, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, he sprained it in the first half,
and scored most of his points in the second.
I think that 1988 was the best finals from a competitive point of view (since the mid 1980’s when I starting watching).
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Jordan played 5 seasons with prostate cancer.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was one game,
but a great one by Zeke, Derrick will have to play with this for a while
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
november december
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Nov 5, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Rose practiced his floaters yesterday because he’s not gonna have a huge lane to drive with the diesel clogging it up
by juicewolta on Nov 5, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope Thomas plays but I have a feeling he either doesn’t or plays something like 10 minutes.. Vinny hates him, right?
by juicewolta on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope he does well
this is a situation that can change people’s perception of him.
by YaoPau on Nov 5, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -William Blake
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Nov 5, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McGraw!
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2866
This news might help put to rest questions about Thomas’ state of mind. No doubt he was disappointed by not playing in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s loss to Miami. Considering how that game turned out, he probably should have.
On Monday, the deadline passed for players from the 2006 draft class to sign contract extensions. Thomas didn’t sign one, but there were no expecations in his camp of getting an extension this year. He’s planning to wait with the idea that his value will rise this season.
Thomas was out for two days because he was sick, not because he was mad about anything. I doubt if he’ll start tonight, since his minutes will likely be limited. Rookie Taj Gibson might get the call to start once again.
I sort of botched my self-advice I gave just this morning. Should wait for McGraw before posting Bulls news…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he's the only one
who consistently avoids the drama, and waits to get his facts straight.
by KT on Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta give you props on your articles Y.F.B even though you gave me a warning
And I don’t take well to warnings at all, but it’s o.k……..Mr Rhythm forgives you!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 5, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You did fine. Your posts were a result of the traditional media botching the story (or not digging deep enough to give us real answers about the TT flu stuff).
If you worked for the Sun-Times, maybe you would get an ass reaming, but you did your job fine here.
by RyPac13 on Nov 5, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kiss-ass!
(don’t kill me)
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 5, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Go Bulls!
"I think it’s safe to say Noah and Rose are the future."
by Belize on Nov 5, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lindsay Hunter hate...
is a liiiittle bit cuckoo.
by Super-Structure on Nov 5, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right
why hate on our best coach?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 5, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VDN is
just keeping the seat warm for Lindsey
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What, everyone else can hate on people but me? ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the last days of Tyrus Thomas as a Bull one game at a time.
Sad I really had high hopes for this dude. If it brings them Wade I guess I can’t complain.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rotation
I’d like to see Deng start at the 4 and JJ start at the 3 tonight, If it blows up fine, change it early. But give the man some playing time, I also think that without Thomas he has the best shot at containing Lebron.
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 5, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't mind seein that...
especially since it’s early in the season. after the awful start the other night, i doubt anyone would kill vinny for experimenting a little bit with the starting 5.
by Daniel Satan on Nov 5, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No mentions of Shaq so far...
I’m intrigued to see how Noah does.
by YaoPau on Nov 5, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Streaming video
here – TNT broadcast.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where is the game thread?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Matt is
cleaning his room in his moms basement and forgot.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 5, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe he came down with the VDN virus?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least he'll
have mom to take care of him. ;-)
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
game thread. game thread, game thread
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Springfield Armor select Jameson Curry in the NBADL draft.
by benhertz on Nov 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is there a public urination clause in his contract?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 5, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, he's actually a pretty decent kid
Got some bad advice on coming out early, though.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn granny why is there a limit in my country?
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 5, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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