Bulls 83, Bucks 81: Bulls are bad, beat team that's worse
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 11:49 PM CST
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Milwaukee | 92.0 | 88.0 | 41.8% | 5.5 | 20.4 | 12.0 |
| Chicago | 90.2 | 42.6% | 27.0 | 29.2 | 19.6 |
(more on the 4 factors box score)
(I won't get into the Tyrus 'flu' controversy for this one. Though there was a bit of a snarky tone when describing it at halftime, nobody provided any additional information. Speaking of that pre/half/postgame show I couldn't really share Kendall Gill's puzzlement as to how Lindsey Hunter's speech at Monday's practice didn't carry over to this game. Honestly, what the hell do Bulls 'observers' believe win games in the NBA? Is 'talent' around 56th down the list?)
What an absolutely awful game to watch. As I've said, the Bulls need wins early in any way possible. So let's take it and run (to get slaughtered in Cleveland). But the lesson of it isn't what Luol Deng said postgame, that this proves Bulls are a group that cares about winning because they came back. (he said something silly like that, trust me).
The lesson is this team is not good, and need to get better to make the playoffs this season. This is a bad Bucks team, missing Michael Redd, and the Bulls had to surge in the second half to squeak out a win at home.
Let's hope that first half is the worst we see all season from the Bulls, shooting 27% with 12 TOs on their way to 29 points. And that was actually better numbers than they put up in the first quarter. We know that no matter how undermanned they seem, any Scott Skiles team will be active defensively, but those Bulls teams he led was rarely big on forcing turnovers. But the Bucks were very disruptive tonight completely frustrating the Bulls into turning the ball over and rushing their pick/roll plays. Brandon Jennings was getting his hands everywhere, including picking Rose's pocket on one occasion.
The Bucks would've been even farther ahead at the half if they didn't have such terrible shot selection (with terrible shot-makers). Their bench was especially abysmal all game, going 5-19 on the game with 10 points. They were a Bulls-esque 4-20 on three-pointers. It was fitting that their final shot was a 3-point airball from Iylasova.
The Bulls actually didn't get going until midway through the 3rd, when it was deemed Pargo time. As is the case once every dozen games, Pargo played well: scoring 10 in his 14 minutes, and helped carry the Bulls to a quality 3-point shooting night (Hinrich/Salmons were only 1-5, not good enough). The Bucks kept missing, the Bulls owned the glass (another good DREB% result), able to run to prevent the Skiles D to get set, and the Bulls eventually made up the entire deficit with a Brad Miller 3-pointer early in the 4th quarter.
One good we can take from this game was that after being outshone much of the game by Jennings, Derrick Rose then took over the final few minutes. He was using screens set by Miller and either shooting over Jennings, or finding his way to the rim off of Miller passes (Brad Miller rules, in case you forgot). He also had a big block on Jennings in the penultimate Bucks possession. In close-ups, you could see that Rose dwarfs over Jennings, and it was good to see him recognize and use that advantage. (credit to Hinrich as well, he started out really lagging behind Jennings' speed, but started to figure him out defensively as the game went along).
The other big story was Luol Deng's night, who had a career-high 20 rebounds to go with 24 points. He even hit a 3-pointer and and went to the line 11 times. Luol Deng certainly looks healthy, and it was great to see him fighting for rebounds and moving without the ball like he used to. But while Stacy King begged for the Bulls to 'go to' Luol more, he still hasn't shown any added ability to be a 'go-to' player. He doesn't have to be that to be effective, but this game doesn't mean he's taken some major step in his game, especially considering it was against a horrible Bucks group of forwards (and we know Skiles hates rebounding from his forwards in general). But this early season has shown Deng to be healthy and productive again, and that's needed for this season to be successful
So between Rose and Deng, If you're looking at this roster as only a very small group of actually important players, then this is a nice night. But I was hoping the Bulls would put on a good home performance and they did nearly the complete opposite of that. If not for a good game from Pargo, the Bulls likely don't come back and this season's projection looks apocalyptic. So should his random spurt of good shooting and an eeked-out victory really change that projection? Not much, though seeing Derrick Rose as the one to put the game away does help my mood.
Some other observations...
- Noah missed his first jumper of the season, as he made a Tornado in each of the first 3 games.
- Bogut at times seemed to be able to score so easy against the Bulls frontcourt, yet at other times seemed completely unable to do anything.
- It'd be nice if our color commentator offered something to describe the Bulls bad play besides 'flat' and 'lacking energy'. Also, I get the desire for the Bulls to run, but every team likes to get easier looks when running. There were lineups out there not especially suited to run nor effective enough defensively to get transition going, so when you're a 'bad halfcourt offense team' you're just a bad offensive team.
- Nice graphic to show after an absolutely abysmal first quarter: Bulls lead the league in average attendance from '99-'09. Yay, us! We don't expect much and have plenty of disposable income!
- In the end-of-quarter possessions, Vinny actually had them running plays. First quarter had Rose/Miller high screen which Rose penetrated to find Deng for a (missed) corner 3. Second quarter saw Hinrich use a screen to hit a floater. He's hit a lot of those this season so far. Overall, better than the usual iso-and-stand-around.
- Vinny did a good job on the short rotation tonight, independent as to however he's handling this Tyrus thing. Resisted the urge to keep Pargo in too long into crunch time even after his hot shooting.
- Not worried about John Salmons yet, since I never expected him to replace Ben Gordon in the first place. He has to be better than this (3-15 tonight) but while some slide was expected from last season, it's likely not going to be a complete free-fall statistically for him.
- Taj may be yet another symbol of the Org.'s love of grit over talent, and he may not be good at all, but he does fight for offensive rebounds.
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I know you didn't want to get into the Tyrus controversy,
but it bothers me. If Tyrus really is sick with flu-like symptoms, why did he go to the Berto Center? I’ve got no clue how the NBA works, but in my workplace experiences, when an employee is sick a call-in is made and he or she stays home, rather than coming down to the office, telling the boss that he or she is sick and then driving back home. I think Tyrus came to practice, some stuff went down and Vinny sent him home. Too bad he didn’t play, as some of Jenning’s floaters would have been sent into the upper deck.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 12:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe he had to show up to prove he was ill.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
by TheMoon on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope they have more trust than that in their players.
If not, no player is going to want to come here.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt any pro team accepts a phone call as valid proof of sickness.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 4, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...or maybe just Tyrus was trying to give Vinny the flu.
(Also, isn’t “flu-like symptoms” NBA code for being hungover sometimes ?)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 4, 2009 6:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Matt McHale it is
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a young guy so maybe he
didn’t want to risk missing out on what he thought was the sniffles. And with the Bulls I wouldn’t put anything past them. If he didn’t show up at all rumors would go around that he was mad about the earlier confrontation and didn’t want to go even if he did call in. When he got there it turned out he was obviously sick. Stupid thing is that despite the fact he is really sick the media has planted enough snide comments that it won’t matter. The wink-wink nudge-nudge usually wins.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope it ain't H1N1
Because I had it and my wife had it and it took weeks to get over. Lebron was lucky to get it in preseason….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll probably start taking the shots.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
So true….athletes and politicians can get it but everyone else can’t….sad…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can only get it if you fall into a priority group
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost caught the swine flu just from watching the Bulls last night
by Big D on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If only...
there were some kind of virus to explain away 27% from the field.
by mynameistyler on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we already coined it yesterday
‘contracting VDN’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Does it look like a rash? If it looks like a rash, i’m going to need to make an appointment.
by mynameistyler on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Symptoms include unnaturally greasy hair
Prolonged lapses in decision making, and breath that smells like ravioli.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
increased irritability as well
holy crap, I may have it!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, you're just a prick ;)
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait a minute
Could Vinny be Boylan with a wig? The coaching skill is the same, and no one can have hair that perfect. Maybe the org. wanted to keep him, but there was outrage about him, so they made him put on a disguise.
It all makes sense now.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 4, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
H1N1's
Got nothing on VDN1
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 4, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Vinny's number was 15. (I just found a basketball card of his from my childhood...not worth anything, d'oh!)
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by cranscape on Nov 5, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Generally in the NBA and really all sports you always show up to practice,
and let the medical staff make the determination. Nothing good comes from comes from calling in sick in sports.
by Scotter on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Presenteeism
Is rampant in business (worker’s feel they have to come in when they’re sick and show their a warrior).
Tyrus is oddly fighting for minutes against a far lesser talent who’s older than him in Gibson….so he probably felt he had to give it a go to prove he wants to be here (especially after the Hunter talking to).
It happens
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And if the media is making an issue of it when he actually showed up on time with the flu, think of the circus there’d be if he’d just called in.
You know, this is one area where the Bulls, for all Paxson’s bluster over the years about the unfairness of the media, could actually step up and do something constructive. Have Pax, or Gar, or Vinnie publicly address the issue, armed with facts, rip into the media, and give a show of support to Tyrus (who we all know is insecure and could use the stroking).
That’d be a kick ass thing to do, but I doubt it’ll happen because my perception is that the Bulls have always fed that media rumor kitty when it suited them, allowed and encouraged their players to be hammered (even favored guys like Lu!) and only bitched when someone broke a story that turned out to be accurate (e.g. Paxson quitting)
by Sports2 on Nov 4, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
My thoughts exactly
That the Bulls staff is feeding these opinions of guys….mostly. Well said rec
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny's quote this morning
says he “didn’t see Tyrus Thomas all day yesterday.” I’m guessing that Vinny was at the Berto Center yesterday.
Sounds like there’s a good chance Tyrus never made it out of bed. He may even have VDN.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus shows up early to shoot arounds
and likely to practices too. Chances are Vinny hadn’t gotten there yet before he was sent home.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the game a little while ago
My brother and I were planning on leaving early half way through the third. Good thing we didn’t!
Still, as good as it was to see Deng fill up the box score, there is so much wrong with this team right now. Hinrich and Salmons, though good defenders, need to find their range. Also, I’m not sure if it came through on TV, but Rose does not look anything close to 100%. He was barely able to get enough lift on his two wide open dunks, and just generally looked slow and hobbled. Also, Tyrus, come on man. Don’t make me drop you from my fantasy team.
by Diz on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It came through on TV plenty
Even the dunks he wasn’t leaping like he could. And I could tell when Delfino and Rose chased after a ball, that first Delfino got it and 2nd Rose couldn’t catch him and gave up.
Plus he was hobbling out there.
Why do we play him? Why risk furthering the injury.
Hinrich’s looking alright, btu he’s forcing it a bit because the Fish is trying to be BG….
Salmons needs to figure out the 2 spot. He’s a 3….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see where Salmon's role has changed much from last season
He sits on the perimeter and waits for the ball. He either gets set up to take a spot up jumper or run an isolation play. He’s getting the ball in the same places I recall him getting it last season. I don’t think his shooting struggles have anything to do with role adjustment on the offensive end as the only apparent change for him is in his defensive assignments. He’s not even doing anything differently when he’s playing the 3 while on the floor with Kirk and Rose. He’s just missing open shots that he’ll probably start making as the season goes on.
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by snley on Nov 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. However...
Even though he’s not doing anything differently we need to understand that he’s out there with a different set of players than he was last year. Because of that, Salmons is going to attract better man defenders, more emphasis from the other team, and have a bit less space in which to unleash his funky, dribble, spin, swung the ball around and shoot attack.
He’ll improve, but the quality of his opportunities is going to be lower.
by Sports2 on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
My thoughts again
You said it better rec #2…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is Salmons isn't being checked by SF's anymore,
before, he could just pump fake and drive past the SF from the wing, or take 2-3 lateral dribbles to set up his stepback jumper. being guarded by 2’s, like he often is now, that aspect of his game isn’t as effective because he can’t get around them. he’s not a catch-and-shoot player.
i agree that his open jumpers being missed is a fluke though, and once that changes the offensive numbers will look much better for the whole team
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons should be able to get around Carlos Delfino with ease
Salmons and Deng have to be monsters when they have advantageous matchups.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's changed in that
He now doesn’t have BG there to keep the defenses’s attention, so now Salmons is trying to do his ball stopping even more and getting more chances to do it because of his role.
Plus he’s receiving the ball earlier.
The habits the same I guess, but now he’s getting more touches, and I think is overthinking things as he learns.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i see what you mean,
Salmons has never in his career had an offensive role as big as the one he has right now. Depending on how Rose’s ankle is feeling, and how Deng’s jumper is, he could actually be the no. 1 scoring option on any given night. that’s a lot of responsibility for a guy who, before last May, had never been heard of by casual basketball fans.
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did Rose's health show the most?
On television I see most of the evidence after he makes a shot. He has a hobbled hustle as he changes ends after shot makes. The shots he makes in traffic really show a hobble.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it showed the most after he got hacked in the 4th and went down. He missed the shot and looked like he wasn’t able to get up. Luol came over and picked him up, which might have been the best thing Luol did all night.
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by Cosmis on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he got hurt again
He was slow to get up on that play. I thought it may have been one of those slow get ups because you’re so frustrated with how hard you got hacked to stop a layup.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think what you take out of this game is Deng is healthy and the three. Like you said.
We should pretty much just be paying attention to Rose, Deng and Noah anyways right? Thats the core now. They are going to have to sell that to a 2010 FA. It’s not a bad core but I guess I hoped there would be some other guys(Tyrus) with it.
I hope Luol gets greedy because we need his scoring. It was nice to see that three go down at the buzzer. You hit every point. They need to improve every game to sell a 2010.
Great post!
by SoulEater7 on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Kendall Gill
Hunter is one of the great orators of our time. His words move mountains.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also
was inspired by the words of Lindsey Hunter, look out Vinny he is trying to position himself to take your job.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall GIll
was a guest star on that show “My brother and Me.”
by 420man! on Nov 4, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jazz blow another game, perhaps GarPaxDorf should start fanning those Tyrus to Utah rumors again?
Also, good to know that Luol Deng and Marcus Fizer are forever intertwined in Bulls history.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dirk
Was disgusting in that game…..
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer isnt a leader and other than his expiring contract wont help the bulls much
When his shots arent falling he is pretty much useless and he doesnt play good defense either…I dont see the fire in him that Bosh, Stoudemire and even Zach Randolph has(shudder the thought)..Another pedestrian personality isnt what we need and even with him I doubt we could get out the first round. Maybe Im wrong but when the games have really counted I dont remember him stepping up and taking charge of that team, especially on the road. Trust me its a reason why with all the talent they have they havent won on the road consistently for the last 2 or 3 years.
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
just need to make the playoffs.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer
is the perfect player for the Knicks.
He’s better than anyone we have at the 4. Would other teams want him? Suns or Raptors?
He seems like an indecisive guy off the court.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12.9 points, 9 rebounds and 35% shooting through 4 games
maybe he just needs a change of scenery, but he hasn’t been impressive at all since coming back from last year’s injury
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is
on his way out. We all knew this once the draft had passed.The failed talks on his contract is another sign. They will let him walk just like Gordon. It has now become tradition to do so. Lol
"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Well, who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who the f*** do you think you're talkin' to?"
Taxi Driver 1976
by Beeman18 on Nov 4, 2009 2:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And as far as the company man Lindsey "washed the fuck up" Hunter goes...
Maybe he felt the need to call him out in front of everyone and thats fine and dandy…whatever…But I think it would carry more weight coming from a peer that actually can still play or for that matter even belongs in the league…If he wants to be a coach then be a fucking coach..Dont take a million dollars and a roster spot so you can call out someone to try to justify your pay..He is a a bum bottom line and while he may have the knowledge of the game without the ability to go with it on the court he will not command the respect of his team mates.
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Nov 4, 2009 2:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
The whole Lindsey calling out TT thing is just another example of how lame this feanchise is right now and its sad. You have to be a true fan to keep following this team because there’s so much corny @ss/Carlton Banks/Barney Fife ish going on that its ridiculous. The way the BG situation was handled was atrocious…just disgusting. The talent on this team is suspect. The coach is a ‘tard. Taj frickin’ Gibson starts!! Even when Skiles was here, how can you tell a grown man that he can’t wear a headband?!?! Wilt Chamberlain wore a headband. Its just a frickin headband, not a damn nose ring! Now there’s a 39 yr. old man who rides the pine next to Gray calling out a player in front of everyone! That’s gotta be some of the lamest ish I’ve ever heard. The announcers…Neil Funk, Gill, Stacy King?? Stacy King?!?! The UC crowd barely cheers on the team. The list goes on. Cranscape made a comment in yesterdays game thread that Gordon was the lucky one who got away from this franchise and Vinny/JR. I should have rec’d it. Good for him and TT will be lucky to get away from this silliness too. Frickin corny mess upsets me. Good game by Deng last night. I hope he keeps it up. Salmsons can’t keep shooting like this all season can he? Ugh
by Rosenscrubs on Nov 4, 2009 7:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The funniest and truest shit Ive read all week...Bravo!!!
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Nov 4, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus you forgot
That that 39 year old man just signed I believe a 2 year extension and decided to put on 25 lbs this offseason…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 yr. extension? For Hunter?
Whoa. I didn’t know that. That’s actually pretty discouraging information man. I guess I just don’t get it. He can’t be a coach or consultant or something? It just seems to me that with all the young guys in the world…in the D League, Europe, streetballers, hell…any regular joe or gym coach on the street with some game and athleticism. There’s so many hungry young dudes in the world who are thirsty to get a chance to play NBA ball. Why waste a roster spot, a uniform and cash on a 39 yr. old man? J.R. Smith, Roger Mason and Shannon Brown weren’t good enough to stay on the team but Lindsey is? Hell, you could bring back Khalid El-Amin’s little pudgy @ss for all I care. Bring Thabo back (gulp). But grandaddy Hunter? I just don’t get.
by Rosenscrubs on Nov 4, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was
impressed with Tabo last night
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He works ok on a team
that doesn’t need offense out of their SG position. As long as Thabo is the 4th option on the floor he isn’t bad.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back "Pee On" Curry!
Hell, you could bring back Khalid El-Amin’s little pudgy @ss for all I care. Bring Thabo back (gulp).
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it was just one year.
Over the summer he did an interview with B&B on WSCR and they all laughed together when Hunter said he hopes he doesn’t have to play this season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Few
i THINK I counted last year on that then….that’s a relief….I thought it was 2 years….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the extension is take Vinny’s job next season
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Adrian Griffin
suspending people.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So should we be paying special attention to the NBA Finals this summer
to find out which washed up former role player on a Finals team will be taking Hunter’s place?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My vote
goes to Greg Buckner or Juwan Horward(so he can end his career in his home town)
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t need the finals to make that choice
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
I think I must have selective amnesia because I forgot all about Adrian Griffin. Wow. AG suspending people? hahahahaha. funny funny Bulls
by Rosenscrubs on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn it you are right
ive been stuckin being a loyal bulls fan since 1996 and im from new york
i wish i was a knicks fan right now
but shit…i think being a knicks fan is even worse if you can believe it
in fact i cant think of a team thats worse to support than the new york knicks
by markoni22 on Nov 4, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that.
I mean I’m not happy with Paxson but if Thomas was our GM/Coach..I’d start following the WNBA.
by diedaily23 on Nov 4, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, what the hell is wrong with the grizz?
you got Gay, Mayo, Gasol, Thabeet and Conley, all babies by NBA standards. in 3-4 years that might be a formidable starting 5, but how are they gonna find out if they’re giving major minutes to two shoot-first veterans in the twilights of their careers?
i could see the grizz fans staging a walkout or a boycott of some sort at some point this season and the NBA relocates the franchise. send em to seattle or somethin.
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Case in point
When youre at work and someone tries to tell you how to do your job when they dont have to do it what do you say to yourself?
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
by drakedog on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im from the school of thought that if you correct somebody, you absolutley don't do it in front of others
Then you have to make sure you say it with the best words and manners cause most people may not want to hear it even if it’s right. So Hunter may have meant well, or he may want to show that he’s coach material, either way it was a mistake and I don’t think Tyrus took well to it especially after his benching vs Miami…or Boston…..or San Antonio……or in the pre-season…or in the playoffs!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing I took from this game is the extent
to which Derrick is out of shape. It really hit home on the two dunks and the layup where he got blocked. Derrick is getting no elevation right now (for him). And there’s a pattern where, in the games early moments, he takes a few balls coast-to-coast, or gets the rim, and doesn’t do it for the rest of the game. I’m now convinced the reason really is conditioning. Then to take over in the deciding minutes – that clinched it for me.
He’s in much worse shape than he’s let on – and when he comes back, he’ll be a beast. As in a franchise player. And we need him to be, because God almighty, without him in control we just do not score.
And to answer the question I’ve heard too many times already – hell no, I wouldn’t take Jennings over him. A healthy Rose is just as quick and fast – while being much bigger, stronger, and a more reliable shooter. I love Jennings’ quickness and moxie out there, his defensive acumen, and the way he runs the break. But he jacked up a lot of bad shots, scored inefficently, and frankly, four assists in 38 minutes is no way for a point guard to play. Especially when only one of those assists were in the half-court.
I love me that Brandon Jennings – no doubt about it. But Derrick Rose, when healthy, is going to win that matchup every time.
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by MPG on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's out of shape
As much as it’s that his ankle is still hurt. He was limping quite a bit out there in the game.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Noah?
He came in out of shape and then got hurt (face mask anyone) and got reeeeally out of shape. This was Rose’s first off season. He was reported to have word on his shot, but I wonder what other conditioning stuff he had. And even at that he came into the preseason, got hurt in the first game, and then was forced to rest for a month. That is long enough inactivity to throw a guy off after his first off season.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose
Looks jacked though and I saw some of his offseason training stuff all offseason on facebook….
His ankle looks slow. Noah was slowed by a poked eye. Rose has been slowed by a very visible ankle injury that he’s still favoring. It’s different.
Plus add in that Noah last year was a bean pole, Rose is huge.
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by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose was working out all Summer
Team USA, private workouts in LA.
I think his ankle is still weak. It’s hard to go full speed when you know a critical part of your athletic base is awfully weak.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny part:
Jennings was the most efficient scorer on the Bucks.
Yes, with 25 points on 23 shots [or whatever it was].
…
I think he likes doing it, and will continue to jack up shots, but at this point it’s also a necessity.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bucks need a cutter at SG or SF
When it is Delfino and Mbah Moute he’s got nobody to pass to in the lane.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Bucks need a healthy Michael Redd
even if a 50% michael redd plays last night, Milwaukee wins by 10+
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna say as well as Deng played the guy that got the Bulls back in the game was Pargo
Vinny may have looked good because the team won, but his rotations weren’t much better. Salmons played terrible in the first part of the game, he had airballs, turnovers, he was fumbling over the ball while trying to dribble, and couldn’t defend, and through all of this Vinny stuck with him. When Salmons is that off sit him down and Bring in Pargo. Pargo did just what the Bulls hoped he would do when they need it, and that’ score buckets. Had Pargo been in earlier, like…..anytime in the first half, the Bulls may not have struggled as bad. But to keep letting Salmons do whatever he wants while he’s hurting the team is unacceptable, this is a big reason the Bulls lost to Boston, Salmons and Deng shot the Bulls out yet they still got there run and if the Bucks had Redd playing, the guys may have not won this one. I’m not calling to play Pargo often neither, but the guy is a scorer, when the Bulls aren’t on, put the guy in to see if he’s hitting, and if he’s not imediately remove him from the court!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 4, 2009 6:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeabut
who are you going to play instead of Salmons? I don’t begrudge VDN for only using Pargo as a last resort. Bulls still only played 8 tonight, VDN kept it tight.
Salmons has to play a lot of minutes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is Lindsey Hunter really the 4th guard right now???
if any of our guards get hurt we’re screwed
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, Pargo's the 4th guard
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Matt said it all about Pargo
The Bulls actually didn’t get going until midway through the 3rd, when it was deemed Pargo time. As is the case once every dozen games, Pargo played well
No question he had a good game and he kept the Bulls in the game. But Pargo he’s the same guy that went for a layup (and was blocked) when he had another Bull in a better position against the Heat and the same guy who kept missing shots against San Antonio. So, I’m not ready yet to change my opinion of him. If he continues to play like he did yesterday, I will give him a chance. Right now, he’s the same player to me.
As for Salmons, I really don’t get why he’s playing like this. I want to believe that it’s just a phase, since he has a baby now and that messes up with a guy’s head. But could also be the fact that this is year is a contract year to him, which makes him want to do more than he knows, or the pressure of having to step up after what he did last season and after the Bulls lost BG
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 4, 2009 7:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
does not everyone see the similarity between
larry and pargo? It’s a freakin trap for Vinny. They will have a good game every 2 weeks, but will hurt your team all other times.
by diedaily23 on Nov 4, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my thoughts
We can’t get fooled by one good game. Like i said in another fanpost, Hughes also hit Bulls game winner against Utah last year. And after that he continued to suck. With Pargo will be the same thing. One good game now and then, but in the end, he will hurt us more than he help us
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the ONLY difference
between Pargo and Hughes is that Pargo doesn’t cost as much and probably doesn’t think he’s an all-star. That alone makes Pargo bearable to me…
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo's a trap!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nerd
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Nov 4, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet Admiral Ackbar can coach
And is immune to VDN.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Admiral Ackbar...
is one giant case of VDN. He’s a boiled lobster, for Christ’s sake.
by mynameistyler on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i hate pargo
as you all very well know, but i actually have to give him credit for having his one good game out of a billion.
that and i was actually surprised vinny didn’t go to him in the first half because of how awful we were playing. that was about the only time i’d ever advocate putting pargo in the game, i mean, after all, even he can’t make a 27% shooting average too much worse. ;)
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by Jaina on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, i said 3-2 these first five games
that prognostication is still alive. it just means we WILL win thursday.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I loved that you commented on the
Bulls had the second highest attendence graphic after that 1st qtr….I was thinking the same exact thing. Don’t these guys think a little bit? I mean sure that was probably planned before the game started, but they just played the worst 12 minutes of professional bball of probably all time in Bulls history (Seeing that the Bucks were awful and would still be awful even if their best player—Redd-was playing which he wasn’t)…..
That was ridiculous.
I did like the way we regrouped in the 2nd half, but that was one of the most miserable games I’ve seen in years.
Vinny needs to sit Rose for a week or two more, he’s clearly not healthy….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point it's conditioning and getting more into game shape.
He’s been sitting on his ass for a month. Or I’m hoping, at any rate.
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by MPG on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See
I responded to your other comment.
Rewatch and look closely at the game and you’ll see him hobble a bit here and there. I don’t think he’s that out of shape, I think his ankle is at 70% and that’s severely slowing him and holding him back.
Plus yeah there’s no question Rose > Jennings when healthy. I like the fact Jennings has the outside shot and speed like Rose, but he’s short, small in stature (not very strong) and well once the defense’s adjust more to him, he’ll be stopped. Hinrich gave up about 4 seconds of foot speed to Jennings in a full court sprint, yet totally smothered Jenning’s into looking like a rookie….once Vinny finally made the switch.
It was fun actually to watch Skiles’s offense run against our team….Jennings can play the SKiles offense drive and kick game really well.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's not healthy,
we’re making a major mistake playing him, as you say. He’s always had kind of a limp/strut thing going on – but if you see something new, that’s alarming. Especially if it’s not improving.
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by MPG on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were like 3-4 plays
Where after the ball stopped you could see him doing a real limp, not postering.
Then that Delfino play was the most telling and visible of them all….the Delfino steal/dunk….
And Rose’s dunk on that nifty Miller pass you could see him laboring to dunk a bit and not almost leaping over the rim like he typically does….
But that Delfino play and some others are more telling.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem is
if he has to sit…then Kirk starts and Pargo becomes THE bench guard? I don’t like that at all. Here’s to wishing that Derrick Byars hadn’t been cut.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Nov 4, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that Byars comment
But yeah that’s a problem sure, but still I’d rather have Pargo in 10 minutes over a 2 week stretch to let Rose heal, than Rose getting further hurt or losing confidence after playing at maybe 70%—I think I’m charitable—as he is now…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
the doctors say he will not risk any futher injury to the ankle, I don’t know about that, we all can clearly see the ankle is bothering him, I lot of his attempted lay ups are being sent back by guys like Bogut(not a shot blocker)
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent summary! rec
I’m disappointed in this team except for game one. Salmons offence is terrible. We really miss Ben G. Yesterday’s game point’s out how offensively challenged we are. Where is JJ?
by chgobr on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
apparently JJ can't sniff any playing time
Which I don’t understand either but hey, I’m not a coaching genius like VDN so…
by Rosenscrubs on Nov 4, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice new look for BaB
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 4, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
For people without avatars
Barack Obama was replaced with the Soviet red star. ;)
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I hate the new template.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Hinrich on the high screen
He’s got to go to the cup more often. He’s falling back into jump shot land on every screen Miller sets for him. The more often he goes to the rim the more wide open decisions Brad Miller can make. You know though, if that was Tyrus Thomas setting that screen the indecision of Hinrich could look a lot better as he just has to lob it near the rim for Tyrus to go get it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich sucks at finishing close
and he’s never been much of a lob passer either.
I don’t think it’s a question of strategy, Hinrich has his limitations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to finish
He just has to act like he might. It will draw the defense.
Wasn’t Kirk able to hook up with Eddy Curry with ease?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
People would at least rush in to rebound the missed layup. It could work! Kirk could fake a missed layup.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't it awesome that the three highest PER's on the team belong to....
…the three young, starting front court players at SF, PF & C? Man, that’s sweet.
You know what would be even cooler though?
—1) If one of the three weren’t knowingly going to be jettisoned this off-season
and
—2a) If they had another young, super-high PER player at SG that could space the floor and take over scoring duties when needed.
—2b) If, as fans and an organization, all “we” had to wait for to, at minimum, become a mid-00’s Pistons-like team of 5 guys of above-average offensive efficiency and great defense, was for DERRICK ROSE to come into his own and for the Bulls to get a competent coach.
::sigh:: I like re-hashing. Keys to 50+ wins for the 2009-2010 Bulls
Fire Del Negro. Sign either Flip Saunders, Thom Thibadeau or… someone else
Draft some combination of Dejaun Blair, Ty Lawson (yay Sports2), Chase Budinger, Danny Green or Wayne Ellington.
Re-sign Ben Gordon.
You give me:
Rose———-Hinrich———(or Lawson)
Gordon——Salmons——Hinrich—-Green
Deng———-Salmons——Green
Thomas—-Blair
Noah———-Miller
That team has good short-term potential, great long-term potential, and if they get ANYTHING out of Green—or Lawson—they’ll have a great trading chip in Salmons. The team has Hinrich, Gordon and Deng as trade trips in the off-season for sign-and-trades (and Thomas, if they would have signed his extension, which they could have done since the tax wouldn’t matter). So they could have had 3 starters and 1 could-be starter off of a young, 50-win team when going for Bosh, Wade, Stoudamire, etc. Yeah, NOBODY would want that.
::sigh:: I hate myself for caring. I hate my job for giving me time to care.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
isnt it easier to go back in time
and give jordan and pippen a secret anti aging formula, and ride them to every championship…
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even just drafting Chase Budinger would have been nice. He looks a lot better than JJ or Taj.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 4, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Personally, I’ll hold off on changing my opinions about any rookies until 30 games in… or use anything of less than 30 games as a “definite” confirmation of my ideas, but it’s no secret that as GM I would have:
A) Immediately fired Del Negro—Done my best to hire Saunders or Thibadeau
B) Drafted Dejuan Blair and Chase Budinger (you’re either a superstar or you’re a specialist in today’s NBA)
C) Re-signed Ben Gordon
D) Kept everyone on the team and told them that they need to accept their roles or tell me now (as in, during the summer) so I can try to trade them.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed - send that in to reinsdork
thats all the credintials you need to be hired
by markoni22 on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to imply that you were doing what I said I wouldn't.
Didn’t mean it to sound as a contradiction to you.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh fun! my dream world. I know this is impossible.
Derrick Rose/ Shannon Brown
Ben Gordon/ JR Smith/ Derrick Byars
JohnSalmons/ Thabo Sefolosha (defensive purposes)
Chris Bosh/ Tyrus Thomas/ DeJuan Blair
Joakim Noah/ Brad Miller
Trade Hinrich and Deng for a Big. Boozer or Bosh
by SoulEater7 on Nov 4, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, one is way easier than the other.
And Thabo sucks! (kidding, sorta, only on the degree)
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by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did pretty nicely on Kobe last night. He would be my Bruce Bowen.
He only had 31 pts with the flu! haha 
by SoulEater7 on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT.
:-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems as though john salmons is having difficulty scoring
in an offense that’s not last year’s “my turn” offense.
That is with the exception of the miami game – where he was catching and scoring off the pass.
It seems that he’s a rhythm scorer….and he gets his rhythm by taking multiple dribbles and then making his move.
This year’s bulls team isn’t letting the ball stop in their offense (for better or worse….last year ben gordon carried us many a game by creating his own shot…tho obviously we don’t have him). They’re scoring mostly off quick catch and shoots to luol, brad miller’s little pump-fake move, and transition rose points.
So – i’m not sure that salmons’ lack of scoring is just an aberration. This might be here to stay.
by swede2287 on Nov 4, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
at the same time
Salmons is the only thing even close to a good one on one player we have (at least with Pooh hobbled), so he has to be allowed to create his own shot on occaison, or else there’s no reason for him start.
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by Cosmis on Nov 4, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i agree
if he needs a certain number of possessions for him to solely create his own shot – the bulls need to give him that.
that’s how he’s effective, and we’re a better team with him contributing.
My main concern is that i haven’t seen him getting those opportunities. And he’s in turn hardly resembled the player he’s been the last few years.
So unless he quickly develops that quick catch and shoot game (like deng has) or the bulls give him possessions to where he can solely take multiple dribbles and create his own shot – then we will see this poor play continue from salmons
by swede2287 on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another scoring option
Tyrus Thomas at the FT line. I think he has to be on the court for this to happen.
Do you have VDN?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody seriously needs to make a "We have VDN" t-shirt for fans to wear to the games
The back can have a picture of Vinny giving his usual befuddled look.
by Big D on Nov 4, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be funny to see a whole section wearing flu masks that say "play Tyrus".
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ha, very nice.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone must have a warehouse of those from last year.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“It’d be nice if our color commentator offered something to describe the Bulls bad play besides ‘flat’ and ‘lacking energy’. Also, I get the desire for the Bulls to run, but every team likes to get easier looks when running.”
If I hear the announcers say “they have numbers” on one more fast break and then look and see Rose leading the way with only one other Bull on the wing against 4 defenders, I’m going to throw something at my television. How can they keep getting fast break numbers so wrong over and over? Is it that difficult to count the players running down the court when you’re 20 feet away?
by RyPac13 on Nov 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
or neil constantly saying
“he shoots a 3…” when the guy is at the top of the key.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Nov 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh, he had a couple of those yesterday.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Neil saying that other teams have no idea that Brad can shoot the three?
Everyone knows he can shoot.
I also don’t understand some of the words he uses. Who else uses the word poke for a made shot?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, how bout it?
he also loves to say “FIGHTS up a shot” for no reason, like basically every time Jennings attempted a floater, even if there wasn’t a defender within 3 feet of him and it was clearly a shot he was very comfortable taking last night.
he also uses the word “SCREWS…” in reference to almost any layup in traffic, especially if it’s Rose.
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
squirts is another one he uses often.
oh god, i’m cracking up here right now lol..
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neil is a dirty, Funky little man
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 4, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus with the buggywhip!
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick threaded one right there?(Who threads in a dunk)
Rose windmills up a shot and scores.(Vs. Philly)
Rose shats in and dunks the ball!(Over Barbosa)
Sadly, there’s much much more.
Stacey isn’t that much better, calling for more Pargo minutes last night?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stacey at least makes me laugh sometimes
and not at him, the way neil does.
last night was the only time i could understand calling for more pargo minutes. but god i hate pargo lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Nov 4, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neil calling games
is like having your affable grandfather that’s half-deaf and has cataracts yelling at you while you’re watching the game.
[Tyrus Thomas dunks the ball]
“Who dunked? It was Derrick Rose!”
“No, gramps, your glasses are acting up a -”
“Derrick Rose threads in the dunk!!!!”
“No, gramps, that was Tyrus Thomas -”
[Luol Deng loses the ball out of bounds]
“And Tyrus Thomas with the turnover! Man, that Tyrus is so inconsistent!”
“…”
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get how it happens so consistently.
I guess as a child I thought that adults were all perfect, and that professional athletes that make millions and people lucky enough to be game announcers were a much higher quality.
Watching the Bulls for the last few seasons has really helped let reality sink into my brain.
by RyPac13 on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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