Open Game Thread #4 OVERFLOW 2: Bulls vs. Milwaukee Bucks
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 PM CST
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
miller is our go to guy for late game free throws
…
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
matt, you gotta have better timing there
last 20 seconds
no closing posts
you’re choking like deng usually does
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brad loves to miss important FTs, doesn't he?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
at least this time
he wasn’t bleeding so no excuse
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You now the Bucks are going to foul and you put the ball in Millers hands after he missed a couple
Yeah, nice decision
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hope we don't pull a Syracuse here
and lose to this Division 2 team
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
God...plz don't lose this game.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Void, but it was probably his first fantastic game in a while.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he play
well against the Spurs?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Miami.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true
First, that was Deng’s best ever game
well I guess besides the hot jump shooting against the killer defender Antoine Walker (that was a bigger game so that one counts more even if this one was better)….
But Deng had a great game against Miami, and he looked almost like this for that stretch in January last year in between injuries.
But WOW, yfbb, like I said last year, you’re faith in Deng might just pay off (heck I drafted him in my fantasy league despite always being a bit of a naysayer (I know he gets the stats when healthy) but I have NEVER EVER seen Deng want it like he did today, he had the heart to go with the always been there talent…..
And he played physical? What? Never would have dreamt it….
Maybe we move the fish back to the 3 and play Deng more at the 4 and uptempo the hell out of the opponents??? We can try it at least to see…I know Warrick’s not really tough enough at the 4, and Bogut’s a softie with O skills, but this was impressive either way.
Plus gotta love Noah, once Pargo came in with the spark, Noah got going/rolling.
I’m sure Jaina loved this game…
It actually was perhaps the worst NBA game I’ve seen in the Paxson era well Boylan days don’t quite count
But still we pulled it out after the worst half of bball I’ve ever seen.
Rose needs to sit and get healthy. You could see all night he was laboring. Heck that dunk at the end he barely got up. And there was that stupid Miller turnover I believe around the top of the key that Delfino grabbed with Rose not far behind, and Rose couldn’t catch him….he’s too slow right now, and Kirk right now is far better than a hurt Rose…..
Why risk further injury? It’s stupid….
I did like that Vinny right away said that the team has to up the tempo and find a way to up the tempo, that’s what I was thinking, that’s what Kendall said, and right off the bat, that was Vinny’s first words….
Still he needs to figure out a way to do it an dget Salmons to play in the flow rather than have Salmons try to be BG out there—he ain’t BG….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice block
by D Rose!
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
jennings ....
blocked
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to mention it in the context of Luol's great game
but the Bucks have a DLeague set of forwards. None of them really suck, but none of them are very good either
by Sports2 on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hakim Warrick is average but he's energetic.
by Playboy_Bull on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles hates talent at his forward slots.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice block Derrick!!!!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this does remind me of
the playoffs last year
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rose
nice block just like the one he had on rondo last year
by aznlildelfin on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MAKE FTS
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
DERRICK DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING I ANALYZED HIS EXPRESSIONS
/end troll-baiting.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Fuck Jennings!
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHOA that looked familiar.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh god
more missed FTs.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dammit joakim
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
THE TORNADO!!!!
woooooooo
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
is it getting windy in here
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did Bogut raise his hand on that foul if it was his sixth foul?
by fsu211022 on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
tired
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he wanted Joakim shooting the foul shots. Joakim is not a good shooter.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's what we get
for getting so excited about Jennings, and forgetting about Rose.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
when will noah change his shot if ever?
by ChiTown08 on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this summer was summer 1 of a 2 part process
I remember reading that somewhere…
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There goes VDN burning the Bulls TOs again.
I thought he learned about end-game management after the Celtics series.
by Playboy_Bull on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
don't you know
VDN never makes mistakes
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Determined to lose!
We will not be denied! I mean…we will be denied!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can't beat the Bucks you can't beat shit!
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The bucks are 2-1!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watch out for bell from 3
i'm hot for teacher
by DLRoth on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they lose, it will be hilarious.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lakers-Oklahoma
90-90 with 2 seconds left
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bulls win. stop being so pessimistic people
i dare you to move.
by dannyp07 on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
feels like the playoffs last yearrr
by aznlildelfin on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who the F was that guy
2-2! OTW to 41-41!
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skiles and VDN went to same undergrad class
how to design set plays off time outs
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lots to be concerned about
but a great performance from Deng and the Bulls showed a lot of heart to come back from 18 down.
by patagonia on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck was that?
Skiles, so smart, yet so stupid.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game
Wat exactly happened here?
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I see
end of quarter play: have small forward guy miss three?
Doh.
lol, that was a surprisingly good game
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe only good
because I wasn’t able to actually see it, but oh well
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wished I missed it all
and just saw the box score after. Trying to get through that in real-time was a crime.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bulls beat the bucks...lets celebrate...we can win without tyrus!
by diedaily23 on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Scott!
That play was ugly
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
at least Deng played well
that was good to see
by diedaily23 on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hurt Rose > Jennings.
FTW.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
he played like that tonight
20 rebounds? From Luol? When the fuck did he gain strength?
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When he played against the Bucks' collection of small forwards
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by Prevenge on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo with his first good game since 2005. What a jagoff.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He just earned himself more time
which means it will be another eight games until he has a successful night again. Is that a good thing?
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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of those games where the Pargo sighting was necessary
This is the game where we need him. Pargo did this for New Orleans and us even in the playoffs.
I just hope Vinny doesn’t rely on Pargo when others have it going, but when nothing is going, you put Pargo in and hope his streakiness is on, because he attacks and is relentless and if hitting shots can put up pts faster than BG.
The issue is if VDN like Byron Scott before him try to overplay Pargo he’ll show the warts, because when he’s off he still jacks up a million shots at lightening pace and kills the team further.
I was wondering why Pargo wasn’t given a bit of time in the 2nd quarter…glad Vinny thought about him eventually.
I hope this game reminds the Bulls why Taj wasn’t a lottery pick. Ease Gibson in and he’ll be ok, but we can’t rely on him just yet…..as a bit minute guy. Gibson has some upside that Gray never had, but overplaying Gibson will make me soon hate him more than I hate the big marshmallow…
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't pretty but
it counts as a win. Luol was fantastic.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Better an ugly win than an ugly loss.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best game since 06-07
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Luol, of course
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo is not close to Larry 2.0
Pargo is a chucker, but he’s asked to be a chucker because he’s quick and aggressive and that’s the only way he is in the league.
Larry’s a chucker because he takes shots and kills plays….
Pargo is supposed to go out there to create to give a spark to a team when nothing’s going.
Larry takes it upon himself to take shots when things are going right for the team just to break the offense in the hope that he might hit some shots and help his stats….
I dont think Pargo has a care about stats, and I think Scott Skiles, Byron Scott and now hopefully Vinny will continue to use him as the guy to use only when things break down and nothing’s going….put Pargo in to see if he’s hot for the spark.
Larry breaks the offense to try to force his stats.
Pargo is asked to just run hog wild to see if he can get somethin going after teams try to run offenses for a while with nothing working…
Its a big difference….add in too that Larry Hughes was a freakish talent who was such an idiot that he ruined his career. Pargo never should be a more than 10-15 minute every few games player….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really big difference.
Hughes makes enough money people feel like they have to get use out of him. Hopefully Pargo can be sat and forgot about in most games.
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by cranscape on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo takes kill plays too
Just because he had a good game, I’m not going to say that he’s great. Pargo takes wild shots and misses a lot. Especially when he wants to do more than he knows. Against Miami, when he missed a layup, everyone was criticizing him and calling him names. Now that he had a nice game, he’s good again. C’mon! Hughes won the game against Utah last year and after that he continued to suck. With Pargo, who plays only for himself, will be the same thing. Wait for the next games and you will see.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 4, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never said he's good or bad
I’m saying Pargo fits that nothing else is going, give him a chance game.
He’s not asked typically in his career to come out there and play a set offense game, he’s asked to come out and go wild to see if he can either hit or get the other guys to follow the energy….
That’s what he’s always been. He’ll have far more games of being off than on especially if he plays a lot. But if his usage is kept down, he can be very effective, especially on a team that’s rather devoid of offensive talents.
Hughes on the other hand like you mentioned gets paid a ton, but also wants to start (and well has or had the talent to start—far more talented than Pargo) but Hughes will play more minutes and break plays intentionally just to force his game and hope to be the savior.
Pargo rarely plays in sets….
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for all u saying derrick rose isnt clutch
potential GW blcok plus 8 pts in 4th
by Rose1 on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet the Bucks are like "Man, wtf is wrong with you shooting that f-cked up shot"
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Ivan make basket"
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
gah this game
would have been much easier with tyrus
by aznlildelfin on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or healthy Rose.
Or JJ.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my boy Tyrus wasnt there but this was very exciting two great point guards going at it
Deng and Miller went nuts, and this goofey European said “I’m gonna win this b-tch” and bricked it!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
god damn i love basketball
i'm hot for teacher
by DLRoth on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
of course you do.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
again, it was good to see Deng.
can’t believe he grabbed 20 boards!
by diedaily23 on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Luol Deng was awesome?
Or because one-legged Rose stuffed Jennings for the win?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because
I have no idea where this team is headed.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's good
I was fairly sure they were headed into the toilet. Now i’m pleasantly confused. :)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i fucking love this team
fan since 2004 FTW
by Rose1 on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This will make the 30 point loss at Cleveland Thursday night more bearable.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope this shows us more that we need to run
If we run we can beat the Cavs rather easily, but if we get caught in any half court stretches, they’ll totally outpower us….
I wish we had T2 back but if he has H1N1, it’s terrible—I had it for about 2.5 weeks….sucked.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Magic lost against the Magic
Wtf?!
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*against the Pistons
That’s What I wanted to say
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard fouled out in 16 minutes
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How in God's name do you foul out against Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown???
He must have been drunk, stoned, or both.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gortat also fouled out
I wonder what happened
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
easy
you come out trying to dominate and they bait you into fouls. Kwame Brown is actually half decent at baiting guys into fouls. Dwight can rely on his power a little too much, he doesn’t have to ability to hold back like LeBron does. Just another way DH is similar to Shaw, I guess.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
by Cosmis on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Howard got into foul trouble in the playoffs a lot too.
Way more than the other stars. I’m not sure if refs don’t know how to call him or if he is doing stuff above and beyond that demanded the fouls being called. Still a weird trend for him.
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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He went out with shoulder problems in the middle of the game
after getting into early foul trouble and then when he came back in he finished off his fouls for the game and that was it.
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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This game was still loust despite the result
The only real positive was the play of Luol, dude was a beast tonight
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seems Deng will not be much of a factor in the waning moments of close games...
…but if he can play as well and with as much energy as he did tonight then I can live with that. Let me say again, Deng played the best game I have EVER seen him play and if I’m gonna bad mouth him when he plays like shit then I gotta give him glowing praise when he plays well. Deng did the damn thang tonight!!
Now we need him to remain consistent and put out this sort of effort and energy every night and not just against teams like the Milwaukee Bucks.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BG was 11-11 from the FT line
Wow
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You read it
The most of us wanted in this team when he wasn’t making silly TO and trying wild shots
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope Salmons does a better job filling Gordon's role than he has done thus far.
And let the record reflect that John Salmons stops the ball as much as Ben Gordon ever did. I never thought I’d be saying this, but thank God that LUOL DENG picked up the slack!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure no one
is happier than Luol is with his play last night. He’s played well in two games this season and awesome in one. I’m sure tonight’s game gave Lu a huge boost in confidence.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever was arguing with me about Jennings earlier, c’mon. Did you see how poorly he played defense at the end of the game? I thought that was a grade schooler on the floor. The Miller pass to Rose was brutal defense by Jennings, he was neither contesting Miller nor anywhere near his man, and it’s not like Warrick (or Bogut, forgot which) wasn’t right in front of Miller.
Jennings looks fine, but there’s plenty of other guys that are looking good too. Lawson comes to mind, as does Blair and both were picked later than Jennings. The dedicated thread to Jennings might have been timely, but I think it was a bit too unrealistic.
by RyPac13 on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jennings had Rose blow by him several times
despite Rose’s rust and sore ankle.
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lawson has the luxury of playing behind Chauncey Billups.
I said before and I’ll say again. You CANNOT compare being the #1 guy to being a supporting player or backup. Jennings has already become the focal point of opposing teams playing Milwaukee. It’s very different from being the PG and having Billups and Carmelo Anthony on the court with you. I’d venture to say those two guys are a lot more feared than Hakim Warrick, Charlie Bell and Andrew Bogut. No need to double either of those three where you may have to send 2 defenders at Billups or Anthony at any given time leaving plenty of operating room for Lawson.
Now Lawson is tough and will be a hell of an NBA player. I love his game and his toughness. But he’s setup for success where he is. Jennings has been thrown in the deep end of the pool and must either sink or swim. He’s swimming so far and doing a great job of doing so as a rookie PG playing hefty minutes.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You perfectionists kill me!
Y’all act like nobody will ever get beat defensively and that everybody should be great at all facets of the game upon entering the league. Guys learn to play the game and Jennings will too…and so will Derrick Rose.
You are the type of guys who would have given up on Steve Nash and Chauncey Billups because neither really flourished until later in their careers…and now they have been 2 of the 3 best PGs in the league over the last 6 or 7 years along with Jason Kidd (Paul and Williams haven’t been around 6 or 7 yrs and that’s why I don’t include them in here).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee is a terrible team
We cannot shoot at all. Salmons struggles and kills ball movement in the process. Even if Derrick is 100% (which he’s not), our inability to space the floor will make it near impossible to get in the lane. That said, I didn’t understand why VDN refused to run high screen rolls for Derrick until the end, but did it with Kirk and MIller nearly all of the game. Derrick still has the ball out of his hands way too much in this offense. Jennings overdribbled, but he’s going to be the guy to get the other guys their shots. Same with Nash. Ball movement and side to side is important, but the only guy who can get others easy baskets is Rose. Someone might want to mention it to VDN.
At least the 3 quarters of terrible basketball wasn’t Tyrus’ fault. I was hoping for an end of game interview with Coach Hunter to discuss Monday’s teachable moment.
by Gene Banks on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but you fail to realize
having taj rather than tyrus in the middle makes a huge difference. Energy, shot blocking/presence, rebounding, dunks.
even if he had a bad game, i still think he would of made a huge difference
by aznlildelfin on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just hope that we play better against the Lebrons
I’m not hoping to win. I just ask to watch a better game from the Bulls
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by bull83 on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Gene, nice post.
Deng did have good game too, but I liked the announcers saying “Deng has kept us in this with his 15 pts” when he was only like 4-15 shooting at that point. It’s like those 30 point games for Kobe when he goes 11-34, good game indeed.
What I really liked about Deng today was his aggressiveness. He stole us at least a few offensive boards for put backs and that was really encouraging. It’s great to see him playing aggressively, I hope he keeps that up and minimizes the outside catch and shoot shots with a hand in his face.
by RyPac13 on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get excited but only if it was against like Boston or LA.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although he did play well in Miami.
Of course he fizzled late.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
deng played better than everybody else in that game
we sucked so bad. he’s not on the hook for that one
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by DLRoth on Nov 3, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone should get excited though
We did not give up, we played so crappy and we still won (even if it is a crappy team and with rose at 70%)
by aznlildelfin on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee did just beat
Detroit 96-85. They’re not as bad as they were thought to be. Coming back from 18 down against any team is big.
by runningman on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i mean considering
we shot 27% in the first half and managed to actually win, i’ll take it.
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by Jaina on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can derrick get healthy playing 30 minutes a game?
this is going to keep me up at night
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by DLRoth on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a win is a win!
kidding, this game was terrible, and this team looked barely above terrible. Luckily Bucks ARE terrible. Holy crap.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought they’d win coming in but some of their players seemed to implode. Charlie Bell-Ukic I think always makes bad decisions. And Warrick is always like that too just the other day his bad shots went in I suppose.
by Camry on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only the debbie downers on this blog
get disappointed with wins. The best team i’ve ever seen was 72-10. It didn’t matter that they were clearly better than every team they played, they still lost about 1 in every 8 games.
Nothing is given to you, and as I pointed out the Bucks did just beat Detroit by 11 so they’re not as crappy as you make it seem. A win is a good thing, no matter how hard you try to twist it.
by runningman on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a good thing
this isn’t a good team.
They’re missing Redd. We’re at home. We’re comparing ourselves to Detroit now? The team that laughably gave BG all that money!?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I see,
you’re trying to be snarky in lieu of having a real debate. No idea what BG’s contract has to do with anything other than you think it’s clever.
Detroit’s a decent team and Milwaukee beat them. Detroit just beat the Magic by the way.
Who else would the Bulls be compared to? Detroit is a divison rival who will be fighting for the same playoff spot as the Bulls. I can’t think of a better team to compare them to.
Your assertion that beating the Bucks is meaningless, since the Bulls could have lost to the Bucks as another decent team just did.
by runningman on Nov 3, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit isn't a good team at all.
They have a few good guards where all of their production comes from, a stagnant Prince who people are getting frustrated with, and very little from their front court besides Wallace who probably will slow down as the season goes on. The Magic got raped by the refs tonight. It was a really bizarre game. I doubt the Pistons think all of their problems are solved after squeaking by.
We went into the season comparing ourselves to Miami. And now we are struggling with the Bucks. That isn’t a good sign. With this level of play we’ll struggle against anyone but the Kings. That is going to make for a very long season. Good teams need to be able to breeze past their inferiors. It helps air the bench out and give guys like JJ some experience without it being a big risk to the W/L.
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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I brought it up because you're one of those who swoops in to say what a great move it was
and I hold it against you.
Your associative property of basketball teams logic stinks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(communitive property?)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time you watched the Lakers or Celtics take that approach?
They don’t.. they know their time is limited. You come to the game and get better as a team. You don’t jog down the court and loaf your way to wins.
Matt is right.. this team doesn’t get it and they’re not that good to take nights off.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What approach?
The one that beating every team is important? I see them do it all season.
In what twisted world is coming back from 18 points down, “taking a night off”. Taking a night off would have been giving up when you’re 18 down. The only one who took the night off was Tyrus.
by runningman on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how about not taking the first half off?
How about blowing out a team and letting your bench guys get some time? How about treating it like practice. Yes it’s nice they came back and beat them but they are BAD.
You don’t get better playing like that. It’s kinda like excepting mediocrity.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if a lack of effort had anything to do with the first half
But a lack of shooting definitely did. This is an average/mediocre team at best; when they shoot 27 percent in a half this is what you get. Unfortunately, they lost their best scorer and shooter in the offseason, so they may have many bad shooting nights this season.
by Big D on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take it to the hole.
There are other ways to win.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See when a good team plays a bad team the good team beats you down by 30.
When a mediocre team beats a bad team you get tonight…. just enough to win. Not getting any better and not playing crisp basketball. Good teams look at this as practice and mediocre teams take this as work.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plusses
Deng was actually good. And he’s been that way a lot so far. He’s been better than I expected. Rose had a decent 4th quarter and played with aggressiveness and intensity.
More than caring about wins and losses, I think I want Noah, Deng, and Rose to be good because they are future. So, from that standpoint tonight was a tolerable game.
On the downside, Salmons has been awful shooting and on D. And Kirk seems like he’s shooting poorly as well. One of those guys needs to be able to hit 3s or we’ll be seeing Pargo way too much.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's well put
the important players did do well.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, at least they came back.
Getting blown out by 20 at home would have been exponentially worse.
Yes, the team isn’t very good. Their fabled depth isn’t that fantastic considering how crappy Gibson looks at times (I thought he was supposed to be “consistent.”) Still, nice to see Deng have a great game when his health is still a concern.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls escape/win 83 - 81 | The 'Fire Vinny' watch goes on hold...for now
So I guess Luol Deng found his dog, bought a dog, engaged some illegal dog fighting, or whatever cause he was beasting tonight with 24 points a career high 20 boards!
This game did not look good early. The Bulls came out shooting 28 % and had only 29 point at half time. But guess who came off the bench and really lit a spark? That’s right, Jannero Pargo did his poor man’s Ben Gordon impersonation and had 10 points in 13 minutes. Sure it helped that the Bucks brought a 3rd quarter lineup featuring Luke Ridnour as their best player and went ice cold. The Bucks had no choice because Brandon Jennings was seriously sucking wind towards the end of the game.
I’m pretty sure it was because of the fact that Jennings was spent that the Bucks were determined to shoot a 3 to end the game and avoid over time. They were so determined that they designed a play for Ersan Ilyasova who’s shot was as off as that goody looking mask he had on. Speaking of "Young Money", Brandon was terrific tonight. Hitting all kinds of big shots and fancy behind the back passes in transition. He even gave Rose all kinds of problems, forcing 5 TOs. Luckily Rose came through with a huge block late on Brandon, bringing back memories of last season’s playoff block on Rondo. Still, Rose should be a better ball handler then what he’s shown against Chalmers and Jennings.
Some other unsung heroes, Miler did his old crafty YMCA veteran pump fake and drive move, which seems slower then molasses in January but somehow gets away with it. He’s a very solid spot up shooter and teams have to respect his shot. Noah had a very nice defensive game with 12 boards and 5 blocks. Still, he only contributed 4 points and Bogut had his post game going against Noah with 16 points and 13 rebounds.
The two Bulls players that really struggled tonight were John Salmons and Taj Gibson. Gibson has no business starting an NBA game. Right now, whether it’s Tyrus’s fault or it’s a case of Vinny being a douche, Tyrus has to out there, at least till the Bulls get a capable replacement for Thomas.
Bulls will take the win, but obviously have some things that they need to work on. The Bulls will have tomorrow off to prepare for the Cavs. It’s a road game and the Cavs look to be righting their ship after a shaky start, so I have no delusions of winning. We’ll see if Tyrus is back in the lineup as well.
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by RogersPark Kris on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll only take notice of Deng when he does this against say.. Cleveland or
Boston when he has to guard someone or plays a team that boxes out. This I don’t take stock in. Big deal he played well against NBA fodder. Show me this in prime time and I will jump on the Luol Deng bandwagon but this doesn’t do anything for me other than tell me at least he is healthy.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hear you Soul. I feel you on the Milwaukee thing.
You know I’m a NOTORIOUS Deng basher!!! But we gotta give him credit when he plays well. Because if he had gone out here against Milwaukee and scored 6 pts we’d be killing him right now. As it stands, that could be the best game he’s played as a pro. Now it wasn’t against LeBron or Carmelo, but Mbah a Moute is a solid defender and Deng played with an energy I haven’t seen from him since…..THE MIAMI SERIES (I hate bringing that up). If he can keep this level of activity up then I think he’ll do a damn decent job. But there is no room for slippage from him. He is just as capable of getting lit up big if he’s not engaged in the game.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
If this was his second year I would baby his ass and give him all the praise in the world. But he has to do it when it counts and thats all there is to it. Or else it doesn’t mean a damn thing. Do it when the bright lights are on.
When he does it against real team I’ll jump on the Luol Deng love boat. I don’t trust him yet.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Only the Boston and Cleveland games count for some reason.
Someone should tell the NBA so they can dramatically shorten the season.
by runningman on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no.. don't misconstrue what I'm saying.
All I’m saying is show that shit on the big stage and I’ll by into Luol Deng. He has a history of shrinkage when it counts. And don’t give the 06 Miami series because I’ll give you the 06 Pistons series.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's what he's saying.
What he’s saying is that it’s fine and dandy to have big games against the Milwaukee Bucks of the world, but do it when the spotlight is on. If he manages to play those type of games against the Bostons and Clevelands then that dramatically changes the face of the Bulls. The Bulls are closer to competing if Deng can play that way against the big boys consistently.
This game showed us all that Deng has possessed all-star traits but it just doesn’t seem to manifest itself at the biggest of moments. Let me take Derrick Rose for instance. You could have not even noticed he was on the court for 3 quarters, but you sure as hell knew he was out there down the stretch. Rose is a factor when it matters…at least most nights. I’m gonna go here…Ben Gordon is a factor when it matters. Deng played his ass off last night and that cannot be disputed. What Soul and others want to see now is more of that same type of effort against EVERYBODY and not just against teams that quite honestly probably aren’t as good as the Bulls. He wants to see Deng return the favor when Pierce, Carmelo, Durant, Granger, LeBron, etc…. come to Chicago and dish out a ho-hum 25 and 9 on the Bulls because that’s what they do most nights anyway. He wants these big performances from Deng to be ho-hum…and so do I.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully all this game will look like to us in a few months is a W on a stat sheet.
And hopefully the Bulls will stop mimicking the Bears. I’d love it if we could just beat a bad team and look good doing it instead of this dysfunctional mess that’s hard to feel good about.
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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone find it ironic
rose is normally stellar on offense, and barely decent on defense….normally
but in clutch time, he somehow coughs up the ball (i hear he got tangled with bogut and i heard the game on the radio so im unsure how it looked but still…) but on the defensive end gets (another) huge defensive play (block) that pretty much is the main reason we won the game….i dont htink ive ever heard of a player change his strenghts to his weakness and his weakness to his strength in the clutch…its just unique…but i sort of like that…
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by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that play was fucked.
They just looked disorganized and he threw a one handed pass. No big deal.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose has been sloppier than usual in the first few games with the ball.
I know Rondo is a good defender, but he almost lost a few in that game that could be attributed to nothing other than carelessness. Today was the same.
I wish I had a better angle (or that they showed a replay once in awhile, what’s up with lack of replays in this game?) on that early 1st quarter pass to Salmons that went out of bounds. I know it hit Salmons’ hands or whatever, but it looked like the defender was all over Salmons and you don’t need to make that pass to a guy that is not open on the sideline 5 feet beyond the arch.
by RyPac13 on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was a perfect night that Pargo picked to make those shots and not get owned on defense.
I think that will happen no fewer than 8 times this season but no more than 15 times.
by RyPac13 on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Tyrus really was sick
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/thomas-sick-not-at-bulls-game.html
Thomas arrived at the Berto Center Tuesday morning but was sent home by team personnel when he registered a fever. Team officials said he had a sore throat that was red as well. Thomas saw the Bulls’ team physician Tuesday afternoon.
Will John Jackson and all the people implying that he was faking it be apologizing now? Or was the Bulls’ team physician in on Tyrus’s plan as well?
by Big D on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thats a long list of apologies.
I hope to god he plays in Cleveland.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Bulls beat writers suck.
we’ll see though. Lots of smoke there pointing it to be disciplinary shenanigans. Even plastic-faced Pat Boyle was snarkin about the ‘flu’ in the halftime show.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jeez that was tough to watch
just finished on the DVR. wow was that first half hard to watch. i was thinking 15 wins, tops. either that, or they spent the off day on South Beach.
i hate Vinny’s sub patterns. usually coaches play their starters/ best players a good 10 minutes to start the game if not the whole 1st quarter, bench them til maybe 7 or 6 minutes to finish out the half. repeat in the second. Del Coacho brings Rose in and out during the first half and doesn’t even have Rose out there to finish the half when everyone knows you gotta finish quarters and halfs strong. fine, we won. sure, Rose is gimpy so monitor his minutes, but man i hate his sub patterns.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
recap is up.
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