Taj Gibson Represents Everything Wrong with the Chicago Bulls (A Rant)
I'm trying not to hate Taj. I'm trying. But it is really hard. Its not his fault. He is just a symbol. Its like dating any girl with the same name as an ex-girlfriend you hated. Or turning the channel every time you see Tom Cruise's face. You want to give them a chance, I'd love to see Valkyrie for instance, but every time I see Tom Cruise's face I am reminded by everything I hate about him and what he represents. Every time I see Taj Gibson, I'm reminded of why Pax and Gar are terrible and why the Bulls have spent the last 10 years playing horrible basketball that is frankly tough to watch.
My dislike of Taj can be broken down into two categories - on the court and off the court. They bleed together a bit, but they represent two separate failings of this organization.
On the Court:
Taj Gibson does nothing the Bulls need. Seriously. If you were listing his strengths, of which there are few, the Bulls already have numerous players who perform his job better. Offensive rebounding? Noah, Deng and Tyrus are better. Shot blocking? Noah and Tyrus are better. Mid-range shoooting? Deng, Salmons, Miller, Hinrich, Tyrus and Rose are better. None of Taj Gibson's so called strengths are things the Bulls lack. In fact, he is at best the 3rd or 4th best player on our team at all of his "strengths." In truth, Taj Gibson should not be playing at all. Tyrus' injury means he needs to see some minutes (never 38). But when Tyrus comes back, Taj should get so many DNP-CDs, the Bulls decide to put that on the back of his jersey. And when he does, someone should break his kneecaps.
I guess Taj's great ability is to be where he suppose to be. A young Malik Allen. Well, that is just fine and dandy. I'm sure if you gave me the playbook and a month of practice I could be in the right place at the right time, just like VDN wants. But of course, just like Taj, I would do nothing once I got there. Who cares if he is a willing screener if they aren't effective? Who cares if he is in position to space the floor if he can never hit a wide open shot or make a play with the ball? Who cares if he plays great positional defense if that position defense yields 17pts and 9rebs in one half.
But Taj's on court production is just a symbol of the true disaster he represents off the court. A management so dumb, myopic, and bitter against its own players and fans that it would rather pay Taj $1 million a year to suck than deal with a "difficult" player.
Off the Court: Lets briefly re-examine how Taj Gibson became a bull.
The Trade of Thabo Seflosha - Before the trade deadline, the Bulls traded Thabo Sefolosha, current Thunder starter and owner of one of the most affordable contracts in basketball (!), to OKC for the pick formerly owned by the San Antonio Spurs.
At the time, from outside, the decision made some sense. Thabo was clearly number 4 in our wing pecking order behind Gordon, Hinrich and Salmons. You add in a presumed return from Luol Deng and its understandable that the Bulls would part ways with Thabo. From the outside, its makes some sense. From the outside....
But if you were fucking Gar or Pax, and you knew that JR had no intention of resigning Gordon, and you knew that you wanted Salmons to opt out of his contract at the end of this season, why in the fuck would you trade your young 2 guard for the #26 pick in a weak draft. How dumb are they? Did they not envision what the team would look like when they decided to let Gordon walk? Of course they did. They were going to focus on "defense." So it makes perfect sense that you would trade your best wing defender without ever giving him an opportunity to get consistent minutes. I mean, the team is going to focus on D. Why in the hell would you want Sefolosha? That guy is known for not being good on D.
The trade of Thabo Sefolosha represents a complete breakdown in organizational planning. Unless of course, the plan was to save a few hundred thousand dollars. They traded a player they could have used for a worse player who duplicates many of the skills already present on the team.
The Drafting of Taj - But you know what? Thabo Sefolosha is gone, and there is nothing that can be done about it. He is at best playing with a dominant wing scorer, and KD fits that bill. Oh well. Its now the day of the draft, and a decision needs to be made. The Bulls have already taken JJ, a 3/4 tweener with raw but self-evident skills.
Now, lets put on our GarPax hats again. Judging by the current roster make-up, and knowing full well that you are not going to resign Gordon (also knowing that you are going to go on national tv on draft night and lie about your efforts to resign him) you would think that you would address a need. What are the Bulls biggest needs? Well, on blogabull, the consensus seemed that the Bulls needed a banger to match up with the big guys (Blair, Mullens), a back-up point guard to some day replace Kirk (Lawson, Douglas, Collison) or a shooter/scorer to replace BG (Budinger, Thorton, Ellington). That seemed to be the consensus on the draft boards as well. Somehow, someway, the Bulls ended up with Taj Fucking Gibson. A guy who they could have gotten in the 2nd round for cash considerations or a future 2nd round pick or a box of donuts. And than Gar Forman goes on ESPN, and acts incredulous when asked why didn't the Bulls address a need with their 2nd pick. Address a need? We are planning on low-balling Gordon and laughing to the bank... not so fast.
Now, this isn't about Taj Gibson's skill level. That has already been covered. Taj may turn out to be better than Douglas, Thorton or Budinger, he may have longer, more productive career than Mullens or Blair - that doesn't matter. Its not about any particular player they could have drafted, Blair, Douglas or otherwise. Its about what they thought they needed to do with the #26 pick in the draft. Instead of addressing a on-court need, the Bulls thought it best to, as far as I can figure, threaten Tyrus by drafting his less athletic, less talented, older and more agreeable twin. Its like they went to Stewie Griffin and asked him to create a Bitch Tyrus (Family Guy reference). Do they follow this up by trading Tyrus? No, of course not. Bulls fan just have to sit and watch as a younger more productive player is slowly replaced by his retarded clone.
I don't care that Gar lied to the public (well I care a little because it shows a lack of backbone - have a plan and stick to it!). What I care about is that he couldn't evaluate the Bulls on-court needs and address them with real solutions. Was it really unfathomable that 07-08 Hinrich would come back? Was it really unbelievable that Salmons wouldn't repeat his career year of 08-09 or that Pargo would continue to suck? Was it hard to recognize that Miller had very little in the tank left or that the Bulls would spend 09-10 getting pushed around again? Its GarPax's fucking job to anticipate these things, and they failed miserably. Again. With the #26 pick in the draft the Bulls had the chance to address a basketball need. Instead, they drafted a mascot for our disappointment.
What it all means. Bulls management sucks. They really do. If they had any foresight at all they would never have traded Thabo without giving him a chance to see the court. You need foresight to build championships. A lack of foresight means you sign Ben Wallace to a huge long term deal on the downside of his career. It means you fail to draft a shooter to replace BG. It means you draft two players to replace Tyrus Thomas than fail to move Tyrus Thomas. A lack of foresight is the reason why the Bulls have been treading water for the last 5 years.
Bulls management is also petty. Don't sign a contract when we want, we pull it from the table even if ends up hurting us more than Gordon in the long run. The Bulls don't like Tyrus' attitude - well instead of working through it, they would rather draft two poorer players who need development and hope they can replace the player they haven't yet developed. The Bulls, on the basketball side, are run like a mom and pop operation or a family business. On the economic side, Reinsdorf could make Trump gush with envy.
And finally, Bulls management doesn't place a high enough priority on talent. I can't say that enough. The NBA is about developing and retaining talent. Guys bitch, guys complain, guys are sometimes overpaid - but that is life in the NBA. The most talented group of millionaires will when a championship this year. Not the nicest group. Not the group best at following orders. You don't trade the former #13 pick for the #26 pick to save a few hundred thousand dollars. Not if you want to win in the NBA. You don't value hard work and leadership over the ability to put the ball in the basket. This isn't a church youth group. You put up with JR Smith not because you want to give everyone a 2nd chance, but because one day he will be able to sink 8 3s in a quarter. You keep talent and if the coach can't make the talent play to a high level, you fire the coach. The Bulls have not done enough this season to put the most talent on the court possible. And every time I see Taj (and Hinrich and Pargo), I'm reminded of that.
I'm ready to bolt. I am. If Rose, Tyrus and Noah didn't still give me a bit of hope, I'd stop watching the Bulls altogether. Maybe 2010 fixes all this. But management's track record in the recent past is brutal. I have very little faith in their abilities to evaluate talent, retain talent, and fit talent on the court to produce the best results.
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this rant rules.
Sure, it’s at it’s core a rant, and therefore a bit over-the-top. But there’s a lot of truth, and I’m one to appreciate escalating the animosity for fun.
No doubt the Bulls value scrap, and usually get crap. It goes all the way from giving away a roster spot to Lindsey Hunter to giving the biggest FA contract in team history to Ben Wallace.
And you’re right that Taj is a good target. Heck, look at Sam Smith today:
But against Oden, Aldridge and Przybilla, it was too much given the accumulation of fatigue in having to play significant minutes for players like Noah and rookie Taj Gibson, the latter an undersized but hustling power forward, having to also battle players 50 pounds heavier.
Why is it seen as admirable that we go in undermanned?
And then this was earlier in the week:
Taj Gibson, who had a career high 12 rebounds in a hard working effort, got his usual defensive three second call which he almost never deserves, and got a technical foul early in the third quarter, supposedly for pushing and jawing with Kenyon Martin. Martin, of course, is a bit of a punk and generally always is talking and preening. Which shocked Gibson, who never says anything on the court.
Taj would be easy to root for if we didn’t need him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
"Why is it seen as admirable that we go in undermanned?"
Exactly. Stop drafting undersized power forwards. Especially for defensive purposes. It makes no sense. The fact that Taj is an undersized, scrappy power forward is the exact reason he was destined for the 2nd round until the Bulls reached up and grabbed him. As a 2nd round pick, Taj is a older guy getting a chance and making an admirable effort. As a 1st round pick when the team had other pressing needs… the guy simply throws me into fits.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aka...
The case against DeJuan Blair
Stop drafting undersized power forwards.
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 25, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Blair plays bigger
as seen by his rebounding numbers. The fact is the Bulls had major defensive rebounding problems last year. It was obvious, everyone knows it. Blair has a Defensive rebound percentage of 26.9% and a total rebound % of 20.9%. Taj is at 15.5% and 12.6% respectively. And before you start crowing about Offensive rebounds, Blair is grabbing those at a higher rate as well.
PER 36 Taj is averaging 10 and 8. PER 36 Blair is averaging 13 and 13. Seeing as rebounding and inside scoring were considered a need of the Bulls coming into the offseason, I’ll let you figure out which guy would be the better fit.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 25, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh
nice rant… sometimes I feel the same way, and I usually defend the org more than others here. I’m willing to see what they do in 2010 before I give up. If they strike out, I’m out. no more money from me…. And I stuck through all the Tim Floyd years, the Cartwright years etc. Now is the time to reward all the fans who’ve stuck through all the rebuilding and get a competitive team. They have the talent, the money, the trade assets…. if they can’t get the job done this off season, JR needs to clean house from top to bottom.
by 72-10 on Nov 27, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JR doesn’t need to just clean house, he needs to leave too.
by C Smoove on Nov 28, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and Thabo still stinks
but he’d be on a one-year deal, and is actual depth, on a roster with 7 rotation players (plus one hurt in Tyrus) amongst 11 non-corpses.
I liked the deal at the time since it appeared to clear room for Gordon. But Gar Paxdorf, the 3-headed monster they are, should be on the same page enough to know the man writing the checks was never going to sign him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've only really paid attention to 1 sonics game. In that game, Thabo was covering Vince Carter
he was doing an alright job on him defensively. Carter didn’t blow up, but it wasn’t like he was shut down. However, whenever Thabo did anything at all the announcer gushed about how great a job he did on Wade the night before and they pretty much credited him for the previous nights win.
Just saying… maybe doesn’t stink that much.
by silentpete on Nov 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Smurfy lost me at Thabo
The key point in thinking about Thabo is that Thabo was yesterday’s version of Taj Gibson.
All heart, hustle, and nice-young-mannish, no offensive talent and with no prayer of being a starting caliber NBA player.
But above all that was right with him in their eyes, the key to understanding the Bulls is that Thabo was still a guy the Bulls would gleefully sell off for next to nothing.
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are 3 reasons to have kept Thabo, even if you think he sucked
1. The Bulls entered last season with Thabo as the 3rd shooting guard. They traded Hughes, rightfully. They traded Thabo, questionably. They let Gordon walk, bad move imo. Entering this season, the Bulls had ZERO shooting guards on the roster. They didn’t make one move to put a natural 2 guard on the roster. I feel Thabo is a better talent than Taj. I would have preferred to have kept him than to have no guy capable of chasing a player around a screen on the team
2. Even if you think Thabo would have had no impact on the court, the fact that the Bulls could have completely renounced his contract at the end of the season was reason enough to keep him. Instead they have a million tied into to a player with zero impact.
3. Similar to #2, Thabo could have been packaged as a trade asset. Either as an expiring contract or as a young player to include in a trade.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really disagree
That was my own little rant about the Bulls. Even though I think he sucked, I think they think he’s good. And yet they went out and dumped him nonetheless.
For as much as we (rightfully) talk about how they give players the red-headed step-child treatment (Gordon, Thomas, etc), the fact is they’re just as willing to drop their scrappy golden boys like a bad habit too. If it’ll save them a dime.
Except Kurt. He’ll retire a Bull, assistant coach a year, commentate, and then become GM and Waylon Smithers in-waiting to Jerry’s Mr. Burns impression.
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is Sam going to write
about how Stacy King is a douche and isn’t a good “fit” with Neil Funk before they replace him with Kurt? i can’t wait to see how that part shakes out.
by M 80 on Nov 25, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think Thabo could be a starter?
What about as the fifth best starter? In other words, let him be the starting role player who’s only job is to play defense while you run the offense through the other four players.
I think that is the plan in OKC and that role could suit him fairly well… but you would need to put him on a team with 2 superstars and 2 above average players. Obviously there are only a few teams in the league that could pull this type of roll off, but in the right circumstances it might just fit. OKC might just be one of those teams with Durant and Westbrook as stars and Green is OK at the 4. I don’t think Kristic is the answer at center long term, but if Mullins develops long term it could be a perfect situation for Thabo.
All that said, he defiantly isn’t ideal as a starter! Especially on a Bulls squad with Noah, you’d have 2 non scorers, which won’t work. On a team set up like the Bull have the 2 is too important to the offense.
by 72-10 on Nov 27, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but that's a starter in the same sense that Lindsay Hunter would be a starter if we started him and brought Rose off the bench
Not quite to the same extreme, but the logic of it just makes no sense to me.
Why would any team want to run a 4 player offense? If you’ve got a 5th good player out there, it makes everyone better.
Why would any team tell one guy his job is defense? What about the other 4 guys? If they don’t play defense, it won’t matter what Thabo does.
It’s a two way game and people drastically overlook that.
And worst of all, OKC has a player who really is very good who’s sitting on the bench. Thabo’s a starter for the same sort of pseudo reasons that Michael Curry started over Tayshaun Prince when Prince was a rookie. It was evident to everyone that Prince was worlds better than Curry in every way but experience, and even though Prince played in key situations down the stretch.
James Harden is going to be an absolutely kick ass player. Has all the tools to be both a very good defender and a good offensive player too.
by Sports2 on Nov 27, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo stinks at scoring but it’s pretty decent to good at other aspects. Giving up a decent guy who can make plays and play good wing defense for Malik Allen isn’t a positive move. Now if it was to make space to sign BG, yeh that’s fine.
Also I don’t know how more times we can state the obvious draft mistakes we made this year. It’s true but it’s almost like beating a dead horse.
by C Smoove on Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in the awards watch
on ESPN they actually put thabo #2 for DPOY!!! though noah slipped in there at #5. :P
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Nov 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very close to going to the Kings.
I didn’t watch the game last week, and maybe that would change my mind. They are dripping with young talent, and I don’t think they have any qualms about keeping the talented guys around. If the Bulls somehow luck into a young stud SG and decide to keep Thomas around and he comes around, then they’ll have a talented, young starting 5 still with a lot of potential. But if they draft some chump at SG, Rose doesn’t develop, Deng gets hurt, they let Thomas walk and/or he really sucks, and they strike out on Wade or Johnson, wow, that’s going to be a baaaaaaaaad team.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll draft up the transfer papers
to send to Ziller.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should take it as a compliment (but understandable that you don't)...
…that the only reason I’m even following the Bulls right now is because I want to read what you have to say, what fs, S2, BS and that rare sighting of Scotter.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
honored to be included amongst that group. if you do leave, I'll be sad to see you go
but totally understand, because I’ve thought about leaving behind my Bulls fandom several times, especially after the Ben Gordon debacle. If they strike out in 2010… I don’t know what I’ll do yet, but there is a not insignificant chance that I’ll give up as a Bulls fan and just go to being a general NBA fan with no real allegiance anymore.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 25, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't kid yourself.
Your team will always be your team, no matter how maddening the management may be.
by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thing is...
…when “my team” sucks, I don’t really choose a new favorite team, sorta like you said. I do, however, like my team less and enjoy the league more as a whole. When the Bulls sucked earlier this decade, I became a big fan of the Spurs and Duncan (to beat the Lakers) and Yao and the Mavericks a little bit. Sorta the same with football and baseball.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gave up rooting for an NFL team, and it's been fantastic.
Mercy on those who are rooting for the Cubs/Sox, Bulls, and Bears with equal interest. Maybe we can all jump on the Hawks bandwagon?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 26, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the Hawks, they're dominating their Circus Trip
Ah, a fantastic, young team. If only the Bulls had great young talent also…
by Illini15 on Nov 26, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And for the sake of this blog, I hope that neither of you leave.
For whatever that may be worth.
by Illini15 on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've already done it!
You can still hang around this blog anyways, though. Look, cool posts!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Nov 25, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite part of the "rant"
Bulls fan just have to sit and watch as a younger more productive player is slowly replaced by his retarded clone.
by diedaily23 on Nov 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good read smurf
I kinda get lightheaded and chest pains when I see him on the court for so long as well
by Option27 on Nov 24, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls fan just have to sit and watch as a younger more productive player is slowly replaced by his retarded clone.
Lol, can we start referring to Taj as Bitch Tyrus from now on?
by soxrule!35 on Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
motion denied.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ninny Tyrus?
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 4:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent read.
I’ve been ready to leave for years, and have been looking at the Nuggets for two years now as the fanbase I’d like to join. I loved Derrick last year, and if all that has held him back this year is his ankle and he starts exploding for huge games in the very near future, then I’ll change my tune and start liking Bulls basketball again, but as of now watching this team is a chore and entirely masochistic, as I always feel worse about the team after the game than I did before the game, if at all possible.
Oh, I really, really like Noah, but when a team’s best player averages more rebounds than points, that’s usually trouble. I’m waiting for that one game where Noah just rips the shit out of the entire roster, from Salmons for sucking to Derrick for wasting his considerable abilities.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if Noah did that
i’m sure he’d get a talking to from Lindsey…possibly even a suspension.
by M 80 on Nov 25, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A little verbose, but overall decent rant...here's quick thought
The bulls canned skiles right before christmas….maybe they fire VDN right before turkey day?? Im just being extremely optimistic
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's a late first rounder
You guys are being completely retarded on the Gibson hate. He makes good plays out there and he makes bad plays. And I think Oden or Gasol would crush Tyrus like an accordion, come on now.
HE’s a LATE FIRST ROUNDER, that has to play because JJ is no good and TT is hurt.
I understand the frustration. Its that our lotto picks are failures not the 4th big on the depth chart. Deng, Kirk, Tyrus., I’ll throw in Rose too, but he’s only 21.
by Trey23 on Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Smurf is slamming Taj
It’s what he symbolizes. He symbolizes the type of “grindy” “scrappy” teacher’s pet crap that has dogged this organization for years. This guy was getting minutes over Tyrus before he got hurt! What was that about? Because he plays the “Bulls” way. That type of thinking is the reason you overpaid Hinrich, overpaid Deng, gave up on Tyson Chandler, let players extend a suspension of Joakim Noah, gave away JR Smith, passed on Lamarcus Aldrige, and gave away your most productive player since the Jordan era for nothing (BG). That’s how it happens.
That type of self righteous BS is I think what Smurf is getting at. These idiots actually spent the last draft getting players to replace a player they never developed. Instead of taking Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair, they were too busy trying to replace Tyrus. Then hell or high water, they give Taj minutes over Tyrus. So as soon as Tyrus asks “Hey what’s up with yanking me in the 4th?” They label him a malcontent and the media here runs with it. PaxDorf really has no clue what they are doing.
by Dils on Nov 24, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I get that
All organizations in the middle of the pack in the league have a string of moves that back fired. AM I gonna stop cheering or watching the games? Hell no. I’m a fan(atic).
Do we have any all-stars on the team? Rose/Noah equals 1/2 a star maybe?
by Trey23 on Nov 24, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is quicker than both Oden and Gasol.
I can see him getting them in foul trouble easy if he’s having a good game.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 2, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
This is the best post I’ve ever read on here, including any that I’ve wrote. It’s a rant but there isn’t anything that you said here that isn’t the truth. That rant is the reason why we write and read these sports sites.
Taj Gibson and to a greater degree Kirk Hinrich symbolize everything that’s been wrong with this organization since Pax took over. The inability to keep talent over substance. We’re not talking murderers here but players that don’t fit a specific mold. If GarPax were being validated by their moves then I would have no problem giving them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to roster moves like leaving BG walk for nothing or trying to trade Tyrus because he’s supposedly too difficult to coach. But seriously, what the hell has this organization done to deserve that?
Im with you, I’m close to saying screw it with this team for a while. It’s one thing to watch an ’04 squad with a rookie BG and Deng with Curry and a young Kirk, but to watch this team when we all know that the moves this team made would result in this is getting tiresome.
by Dils on Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some perspective
Taj is 6’9" 225
TT is 6’9" 215, has really not added any muscle to his frame, in 4 years, maybe 5-8 lbs.
TT career 7.7 ppg and 5 rpg in 20 minutes 45% shooting
Taj this year 7 ppg and 5.5 rpg in 24 minutes 45% shooting
Not much difference there, folks.
by Trey23 on Nov 24, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That is why they should have drafted someone with a different set of skills
since Taj duplicates what Tyrus already does in a slower, older package…. And Tyrus career averages aren’t really relevant to a discussion of what he could do on the court THIS year.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year
Tyrus was 11/6.5 with 2 blocks, in only 27 minutes— in other words, nice promising production WHILE still being jerked around.
I was wondering yesterday why everyone seemed to hate Taj, but I get it more now. He’s just a figurehead for the hatred.
Taj’s rebound percentage thus far isn’t as good as a rookie Tyrus either. I don’t get why, before he was hurt, Tyrus wasn’t starting, but I assumed it was to hurt his ability to earn a good contract this year. That it seems like it would be something the Bulls front office would do is the entire problem right there.
Taj is also playing 24 minutes a game. Tyrus never came close to that many minutes per game until last season, when he played 27 a game. So, the raw totals don’t tell the story at all.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Paxson Represents Everything Wrong with the Chicago Bulls (A Rant)
and he can’t hide behind Gar..field the slick microphone ready sub..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Nov 24, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
eh i like john paxson as a gm
except for the fact that he cant/wont stand up to Jerry Reinsdorf…paxson had a plan, sure it was a pipe dream but it almost became a realilty, actually if not for ben wallace i think this team couldve been something special. Everything really went down hill when Reinsdorf started taking part of the team….
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by piccolomair on Nov 26, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we've still yet to see what Thomas can do with a consistent 30-35 mpg.
At the very least, this is supposed to be that year but with VDN there’s no telling what will happen. There’s a reason the high draft pick players going to Oklahoma City, Portland, etc. get better…because they get the court minutes early on to improve. The way the Bulls are being run right now its average players getting all the playing time while the potential (that could in all likelihood prove to be more than just potential at this point) sits on the bench. Then years down the road before ever giving high draft pick players a chance to show what they can do, they are shown the door/re-seated on the bench when the next piece of AVERAGE/below average comes along.
by him_joke_NOAHmore on Nov 24, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The hate we had for Hughes is now with Taj
And there’s only two solutions: 1st – Tyrus comes back and Taj never plays again; 2st – Taj gets traded to another team in some package. Otherwise, he will always be hated
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Nov 24, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if tyrus came back and taj played 5-7 mins a game i would be very fine with him.
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by TheMoon on Nov 24, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This was awesome
you sir, win.
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by Calogero on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice rant
I agree with everything you said except that TT is injured and, well Taj is doing the best he can. I really cant get mad at Taj because he is a rookie, hes trying hard, and hes producing somewhat (he usually has some nice blocks here and there) It would be a big problem if TT didnt get his starting job back. but I dont think anyone realizes how big losing TT was.
by aznlildelfin on Nov 24, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is that he was actually a good pick at #26
He’s a useful fourth or fifth big man, and he’ll probably play 10 years in the league (which I wouldn’t have believed before the season started). Hell, how long has Malik Allen been in the league? But yeah, he’s badly exposed as a starter playing 30 minutes a night. That’s not his fault; that’s the fault of the organization for having no other big man (and for drafting someone with the 16th pick who can’t even get on the court). I don’t agree that he should be getting DNP-CD’s when Tyrus gets back – the Bulls have so little depth that he’ll have to play 15 minutes a night whether he deserves it or not.
by Big D on Nov 25, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
I actually like the Bulls’ position. The two toughest slots to fill in the NBA are point guard & center, and the team is in enviable shape at both. Yes they have a ways to go, and a lot of blanks to fill in, and only time will tell. But is is so easy to be a critic, and so tough to build an NBA contender.
by boobie trap on Nov 25, 2009 5:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
As many of you know my favorite player is TT
I’m from Louisiana originally and TT being from Louisiana too is one reason I’ve been able to follow him so long, and I’ve been high on him since I saw him dominate in the ncaa tourney. With that being said, I am very cautious when I critique Taj for fear of commenting on emotion as opposed to facts. I’m not a diabolical hater at all, so I don’t want to paint Taj in a negative light in order to make my boy TT look better. My opinion on Taj is this, he’ s got a nice mid range shot, he has the ability to finish plays well, he plays hard, and he’s knowledgable of the game. He knows his limits and his role and he never attempts to go beyond his abilities. His weaknesses, he appears to be undersized, maybe not even 6’9, he can be pushed around, he’s average at rebounding, he’s foul prone, his hands aren’t the best, and his man on man defense needs work. Do I think Taj compares to TT as some of these stat geeks claim, no way in hell, is Taj a good pick up and player to bring off the bench yes indeed. Vinny is the one wrong in regards to Taj, because Vinny and management are trying to have us think Taj is better than TT. Taj should have never been even considered as TT’s rival for the starting PF position, this was the first mistake off top. When Tyrus was playing Taj got just as many if not more minutes, now that Tyrus is out Taj is getting less minutes, and lets not forget Tyrus even had to play SF a good portion of the time making him completely ineffective for good portions of the games. Taj is a good pick up for the Buls, he adds depth, his presence alone makes TT play harder, and he can make plays. So I won’t put any blame or negative on Taj, instead I blame Vinny, management, Stacy King and anyone else who attempts to claim Taj is just as good as Tyrus!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
If we were actually a condendor, he’d be a great piece off the bench for 10-15 mpg. One thing you said that no one ever points out and I totally agree with is his terrible, terrible hands. He has worse butter fingers than Rex Grossman! Seriously, pay attention when passes (or even rebounds) come his way. There’s a 75% chance he bobbles it, or it slips completely out of his hand.
by Diz on Nov 25, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we were actually a contender, he'd (TT) be a great piece of the bench for 10-15 mpg...
…Noah would be the four and we’d actually have an NBA-caliber center. Fixed.
by Andronicus on Nov 29, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with the Taj pick
or trading Thabo for the pick. Thabo stinks, and if you’re banking on your #26 pick to fill a team need, you probably have much bigger problems to deal with. If Gar thought Taj was the best available, fine.
The rest is on our coaches. Pax brought in talent, and Skiles/Boylan/VDN benched that talent in favor of Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes, and now Taj Gibson. We’ve got Pete Myers teaching our big guys post moves. VDN is telling Rose, Noah and Tyrus to take more 18-footers. It’s a trainwreck. But I don’t see where Gar figures into this, unless you’re arguing that he should alter his scouting to account for his coworkers’ sucking at their jobs.
by YaoPau on Nov 25, 2009 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I don't get you
This team certainly does not have enough talent to compete at a high level. And we have a history of letting young talent walk for nothing or pennies on the dollar. Who in the hell you think brought in Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes and Taj Gibson – Pax and Gar. They are the ones who keep choosing those guys over more talented if tempermental players. VDN did not let BG go. VDN didn’t decide to draft Taj Gibson. VDN didn’t create the Bulls whole at the 2 and the 4. Who do you think hired Pete Myers to coach big men? Who hired VDN? the buck stops with Gar and Pax.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 25, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, despite Paxson's weebling, GM's can tell coaches what to do.
Ask Maurice Cheeks and Ed Stefanski.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of talent isn't the issue
Derrick Rose, Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha, Joakim Noah, James Johnson – that’s five freak athletes. I think it’s clear that Pax/Gar shifted their draft strategy completely to talent, talent, talent starting in 2006. Properly developed, that should be an elite core.
During that time, Pax/Gar also brought in Smith, Gooden, Duhon, Hughes, and Taj, but as backups. Remember Tyrus was our opening night starter in 2008, 2009, 2010 till he was doghoused by our coaches. Thabo almost never played as Skiles gave his minutes to Duhon, a 2nd round pick. JJ’s buried behind Taj, a #26 pick. I can’t fault Gar for bringing in usable fringe pieces, it’s the coaches that decided to play those pieces over our freaks.
You’re right though that some blame goes to Gar. Hiring VDN was bad, and giving coaches no job security with a young team gives them incentive to play vets. I just think that if a high pick fails, the GM isn’t necessarily most at fault.
by YaoPau on Nov 25, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't even know where Gar stops and where Pax begins
or where Pax stops and ’dorf begins.
How can we blame Gar for hiring VDN? He probably found out via inter-office memo.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Lack of talent is absolutely the issue.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 25, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're confusing talent with ability
by YaoPau on Nov 25, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're confusing athleticism with talent.
Talent and ability are the same thing.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 26, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, so your point is "we aren't good because our players aren't good enough"
Nobody’s disagreeing with that.
by YaoPau on Nov 26, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the reason our players aren't good enough is the org has brought in players
that aren’t good enough and they let go of players who are plenty good enough (Ben Gordon).
So long as the NBA is a league in which Ray Allen is a max level player and a huge part of a title team, Ben Gordon should be viewed the same way. I just hate that we root for a team run by an organization that doesn’t seem to know how to acquire talented, able players.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 27, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly disagree
We have PLENTY of talent to compete. Even if Salmons scored 15ppg, Hinrich scored at 45%, Noah and Deng kept up what they were doing, and Rose averaged 18 and 5, we’d be much better than we are now.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 25, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're all guilty
But this beef that Vinny and Tyrus have go back to last year before the playoffs started when Vinny started to muzzle Tyrus who was emerging as a true player in this league. The Bulls were playing good ball weeks before the trade went down. After the trade however Vinny chose Brad over TT, then the beginning of this year Vinny chose Taj over TT, which is why you saw TT moved over to play SF at times while Taj would play TT’s position.
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 25, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam responds:
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls_blog/2009/11/bulls-taj-gibson-living-the-dream.html
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And each time I watch Bulls basketball I'm living a nightmare.
Metal sharpens metal.
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The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
by dakoose on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I thought coming in not to worry about numbers, just worry about playing hard and getting better," said Gibson. "I listen to the veterans and when your time comes you work your minutes and play hard. It’s been fortunate for me it’s been able to come (playing time) quicker than expected.
That quote just earned him the Hinrich treatment from the org.
by diedaily23 on Nov 25, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, shame for Taj
he really does seem like a nice dude. Already exceeded expectations for his draft selection (mine, anyway). And he does seem to understand the game and no doubt that makes him immediately eligible as a solid bit contributor.
But again, I can’t help but feel sorry for Bulls fans (and of course, myself), when the lead to the story is how Taj matched up against Tim Duncan, and then Tim Duncan kicked his ass. Why is that a romantic tale we should applaud? How about the night LaMarcus Aldridge shot over him all night and the Bulls got hammered on the defensive glass. There was Taj Gibson, working his butt off, getting his ass kicked. Do you believe in miracles?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ha!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's the tragedy
we should be celebrating that we drafted well(at least at that position) instead we’re pissed off in here because of this attitude/philosophy. There really needs to be a paradigm shift and I’m not sure where it starts..
by diedaily23 on Nov 25, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a bigger difference between Thomas and Gibson than their jumping ability, however...
Gibson had a no-step verticle jump of 25.5" and a max vert of only 30"
Thomas had a no-step vert of 34" and a max vert of 39.5"
Pretty big difference.
You can see the athletic ability really drop off when you get to Taj. I guess that would be a reason he was projected on that site to be drafted #53
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by him_joke_NOAHmore on Nov 26, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That is a creative user name.
Maybe Gibson gets so many blocks by bodying guys up and therefore he’s really close to them as they shoot… And since he’s so skinny, he doesn’t push anyone off there game drawing fouls. Oh wait…
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by tyger1147 on Nov 26, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man, it's an evolution of an earlier nickname I had for Noah before he improved so much.
Gibson’s blocks definitely aren’t the same kind of athletic blocks you get from Tyrus. The jumping is yet another thing that you can’t teach and more proof that he is not the same caliber of player. I’d just hate to have to see Thomas replaced by an inferior player.
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by him_joke_NOAHmore on Nov 26, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun
Who would win in a one on one game to 11. Tyrus or Taj?
I’m guessing Taj. Tyrus would tornado under the basket and get blocked by the backboard at least 3 times.
by Trey23 on Nov 26, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Tyrus.
God, I would pay to see that, Tyrus would just jump over him, lol.
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by Prevenge on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Super post Smurf and lots of solid feedback to go with it.
Reading Sam’s article on our teachers favorite pet finally makes perfectly clear to me why this infatuation is so strong among the coaches and the media with the semi-talented oldest rookie in the NBA. With a straight face the lovabul Taj opined “I have great coaches who push me every day.”
Giving Vinny a brand new shining apple before every practice along with a thank you note has seemingly helped propel him into the starting position. What better music to the ears can be uttered to our insecure psuedo coach than Taj’s boquet to mediocrity? Maybe Tyrus should try more shmoozing when he returns instead of pouting because he knows in his heart that his boss is a ninny.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 26, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, I think Tyrus having the Flu...
and then having a broken arm propelled Taj into the starting lineup.
by Super-Structure on Nov 28, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did play for Tim Floyd in college
So who knows, maybe he really does think Vinny is a great coach.
by Big D on Nov 29, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You couldn't be more spot on when talking about the talent thing Smurf.
Too many crazy fans around here don’t understand that aspect of it. People can say what they will about Gordon but the dude was the most offensively gifted player the Bulls have had in 10 years and he could have been part of the solution. As I said before, the answer wasn’t for Gordon to be the #1 option. The answer was to obtain about 2 players who were better than Gordon (by trading Hinrich, Deng, Thomas, draft picks or whoever else to get those guys) and have them lead the way and Gordon be the most lethal #3 option in the NBA while the Bulls march to the championship!!!
Now who those guys were are anybody’s guess, but anybody is available for the right price (outside of D. Wade, LeBron and Kobe). Look how Boston made a move and went from garbage to perennial championship contenders is ONE SUMMER!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 27, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The decision-makers at the obviously the ones at fault here...
Let’s make the differentiation clear as crystal: Gibson’s story of hard work and overachievement is NOT what’s wrong with the Bulls. If more talented players (like TT) would not only meet, but exceed expectations as Gibson has, the franchise would be in much better shape. See: Noah.
by Andronicus on Nov 29, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think Taj has been undeservedly bashed in this thread
nothing against the OP but taj is just a rookie…learning the speed and size of the NBA game. he made of the shots he now misses in the pre-season and he looks nervous out there…the way Sefolosha used to and Tyrus still does at times…rushing things, fumbling th eball at time etc.
In my mind Taj will be a more productive player than Tyrus next year…as far as winning basketball games goes. being in the right spot…and not trying to do too much with the ball and simple ball movement is waaaaayyyy underrated on all these message boards. You need a battier, Bowen, rodman (superstar version of a role player) doing all the little things on good team to win games. Maybe Noah is our battier? Or Bowen? But deng is in between a Bowen and a Melo or Pierce…Rose right now is not great nor a role player. Neither is salmons and tyrus plays the game like he is the 2nd coming of George gervin with 1/100th the skillz.
Somewhere on this line up(if we ever plan on winning… you need a guy that will do all the things that doesnt show up in box scores. taj can be one of those guys if he gets his defense like it was in collage…rebounds, moves the ball and makes open jumpers while
by SD20 on Dec 2, 2009 2:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the last two commenters missed the point.
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by tyger1147 on Dec 2, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
point was well taken
but this thread and others have become a taj bashfest. I mean id give up taj and tyrus to get thabo back…so i agree with the first point of the OP whole heartedly.
The way i look at taj and all rookies is that few are ready to go. its like the WR position in the NFL…even a lot of great Wr’s need a year or 2 to fully see what the defenses are trying to do and to adjust to the extra inch or 2 everywhere as well as 10-20 pounds and especially the length and athleticism to go with the saavy.
Given that Taj is rookie and 15 games in he is well doing very well.
That said thabo is being mentioned as an early dpoy player in OKC. something i knew would happen if he ever got consistent minutes and in time his jumpers will fall…they always fall…in time everyone learns to make open jumpers if they are wing players and can stick in the nba. it just about always happens.
by SD20 on Dec 3, 2009 7:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This post wasn't about Taj at all. It's about the organization.
And trading Thomas and Gibson for Sefolosha is stupid.
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by tyger1147 on Dec 3, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but to be fair
Taj does suck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 3, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
like i said...give me sefolosha back any day.
he should have been the starter here for the last 3 years…by now he’d be where he will be in another year or 2…a year in year out dpoy candidate and a good facilitator and decent spot up shooter and good slasher.
by SD20 on Dec 4, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 7, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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