Bulls blown out in 3rd straight game
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 8:57 AM CST
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 85.0 | 115.3 | 50.0% | 22.5 | 19.5 | 7.1 |
| Portland | 143.5 | 61.6% | 43.8 | 42.4 | 11.8 |
In Denver, after the second of what is now three-straight blowout losses, Vinny Del Negro went off on the team's apparent lack of effort. I didn't watch much of that game, but it didn't appear this is ever a team that won't try hard, since they simply have to in order to be competitive. That's the way it's going to be all season.
And I suppose after a game (or three) where they're not even competitive you can still blame the effort, but I applaud VDN for not going to that well again after Monday night's game. He said it like it is, they were simply overpowered by the Blazers. Despite what your high school coach told you in between towel snaps, team rebounding isn't effort. Maybe individually it is (and if you made it to the NBA, you likely have that covered), but for a team it's having a team of good rebounders. The Bulls don't have them, and were massacred on the defensive glass tonight, with the Blazers getting an ungodly 42% of available offensive rebounds.
The defense looks ordinary and the offense still looks terrible now that the Bulls are on the road playing very good teams. But they won't be for long, and I expect them to win enough to stay near .500 all year. That was the prospect laid out for us on July 1st, and since I got most of my anger out then it's hard to stay that way when things are falling into place.
It is a problem that they're not just losing, but getting blown out (point differential matters). However, Brad Miller can't fade into the sunset this quickly, and Kurt will step up his production to where I'm told "well if you take out November..." by the end of the season, and Salmons won't be his career year again (thus why they call it those) but he won't be his worst. And Tyrus Thomas will come back.
Sure, Vinny will be there to stick him back on the bench and see Hustlin' Taj get completely overmatched. But at least he's grown enough as a coach not to blast his, or the team's, effort too much. Effort's all they have (and all our coach can teach, apparently), they're just not very good.
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Team defense was awful!
They were not helping off of screens like they needed to, and this allowed Roy to get too deep to often.
by DRose01 on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hard work! Attention to detail! Hustle! = Crappy, crappy team
Thought this article was very interesting, and sounded sadly familiar. (Sigh.)
(h/t truehoop)
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by ScottieG33 on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vinny can put out some pretty veteran lineups
which is why we’ll stay around .500, and also why the future at the moment looks bleak, and why Vinny (and Paxdorf) need to go because who gives a crap about .500?
by RichKarp on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
talking with some co-workers this morning
and we came to the conclusion that the bulls just aren’t every good. simply outmatched against these top western teams.
by Jack M on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are geniuses
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you!
really appreciate the compliment
by Jack M on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, anytime!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
by Prevenge on Nov 24, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to it, Joakim
"He kept putting his body on me…(Joel) Przybilla coming in…… All their big guys played well," Noah sighed. "Yeah. I was frustrated. What do you want me to say? I’ve just got to find a way. I feel like I’ve been getting overpowered the last few games, guys putting their bodies on me. It’s taken a toll. I’ve got to find a way to sustain."
Now that he’s our only rebounder, he can expect more of this until Tyrus gets back. After witnessing Taj Gibson’s (lack of) rebounding prowess, I apologize for ever calling LaMarcus Aldridge a ninny.
by Big D on Nov 24, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Accepted
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow matt, you sound defeated
i can understand why, but i still figured last night would’ve brought out more scorn from you.
also, is it possible luol deng can actually shoot 3s, but hes just inexplicably refused to? hes now 5 for 9 form 3 this year. shoot more 3s Lu, lord knows this team needs it.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Nov 24, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he can definitely shoot 3's
he took a pass with his feet on the line and shot a great shot that he nailed.
A good coach would teach this.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny ≠ Good Coach
A good coach would teach this.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 24, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he done that all season?
The one foot in from 3 point line shot? Knock that crap off Deng. I need 3s bad on my fantasy team. Rebounds and other stats he is doing well in though.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's done it his whole career.
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Travis fixed it.
He was the worst, but now he is cured. So there is hope for Deng. If Travis can fix a BBIQ problem, anybody can.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
a few years ago Skiles told Deng to stop shooting 3’s because he was so bad at it. Apparently Deng thought it was a life long ban because he has been refusing to shoot 3s ever since
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he gets it
He’s a good shooter, but the long two (as everyone knows) is just the worst shot in basketball.
LMA takes it waaaaay too much, Outlaw does as well, so we always bitch and wish they’d take a step back and get 3 points for their troubles.
Be like Rudy! Everything is a 3 or an alley oop, and everything mid-ranged is made 20% of the time.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see not wanting to step back...
…or if you have to catch the ball stepping forward, going in front. Those make sense for someone not sure of his shot. But the one I saw yesterday, he was standing about at a 45* angle, toes in front of the line, heels on it, caught the ball flat-footed, launched a good-lookin’ shot, nailed. That’s horseshit.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it has to be in rhythm.
Catching a pass and stepping back to get behind the line does no good. They have to space themselves behind the line better.
And with someone like LMA, I am very mixed on him adding the 3 pointer to his game. I am sure he can hit it at a 35% or so clip, which isn’t bad, but he scores 60%+ inside. So with him, instead of encouraging him to space himself a step back to get the open jumper and 3 point shot, I’d just discourage that option away as much as possible.
Outlaw was always a pro at having his tippy toes right on the line.
Deng looked healthy finally, which I was glad to see. Hit 3’s, scored in the post… that ability was always there, I hope he keeps it up and expands that offensive game.
Mo
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he used to shoot 3s his rookie year, but Skiles told him to quit it and Luol
was so intimidated by Skiles’ badassery that he never took them again.
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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 25, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody didn't know yet we're not in the same tier as the Blazers?
We’re in Pacers-Bobcats-Bucks-Wizards-Raptors land.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think people knew deep down inside
but the truth hurts when you finally can’t deny it anymore
by i_like_turtles on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh i knew
i didnt think we were 24 points worse than them in a game where rose, kirk, salmons, lu, and pargo all shot well. at this point i just cant wait for tyrus to get back so some aspect of this team will be exciting to watch
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sticking to my 38-44 prediction.
We’re in Pacers-Bobcats-Bucks-Wizards-Raptors land.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 24, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Blazers are damn good
I kept wanting to think the Blazers were the Bulls circa 2006, but they’re not. Roy and Oden are stars, and Aldridge/Rudy are probably as good as Deng. Add in their other handful of solid role players, and wow.
by YaoPau on Nov 24, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's fascinating about watching the Blazers.
Look at their options when running an offense:
1) Run pick ‘n pops with Blake/LMA, using LMA’s ability to shoot to thwart aggressive helping on the ball handler.
2) Let Roy come off down screens to catch in the mid post and attack one-on-one (and draw DWade-like foul calls) .
3) Throw it down to Oden to get nasty on the block and draw fouls
4) When they feel like it, send LMA to the block to use his height and high release to shoot over guys.
5) Bring Rudy off the bench to space the floor and hit the open 3 if/when any of the above draws double teams.
Everyone of their options is better than what we can do.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Also have Andre Miller running the bench unit.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All those teams are better than us.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, isn't it?
Truly thought we’d be in the Miami-ATL-Jazz category this year.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might be a Bulls homer
I think you guys will end up in that category, record wise.
If ATL comes down to Earth, of course.
Rose has been uncharacteristically off all year, Tyrus is hurt, but you got a good team and rotation with Rose, Salmons, Deng, Tyrus, Noah, Miller, etc. You’ve had a very tough schedule to start the year, and winning in the Rose Garden isn’t something most teams do. And, the Blazers (who also have been off thus far) are starting to click.
It won’t be because of VDN or the front office, but I think you got enough talent to get close to 50 wins… for better or worse.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls had a great bench last season and played very well after the trade.
If only Deng was healthy last season who knows….the would have for sure beaten the Celtics, maybe more.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they had Gordon, a good coach and a healthy Thomas, they'd be tons better.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we stay in Bucks land...
I fear we won’t….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is probably true
lets hope not. i was thinking we would step out above that club of doo doo
by djphillie on Nov 24, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacer land....
That’s a depressing ass place to be.
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 26, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez....those "factors" make it look like we were the cupcake chosen for the Blazers' homecoming game.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Nov 24, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Second chance points have absolutely KILLED us the last three games
from my perspective. It’s really not Noah’s fault (although he did get pushed around last night) — I personally blame Taj. It’s not just that he’s skinny, but he doesn’t know how to box out without committing some type of foul. Ok, so I guess part of that is a strength problem; but it’s also the fact that he shouldn’t be getting this many minutes (kind of has to with Ty out).
I’d still like to see a little more of JJ at the PF spot.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Me too, except
JJ hasn’t seemed to care about rebounding. A shot would go up, and instead of boxing out, he’d stand there looking up as opponents flew by him towards the hoop. If this guy could just rebound as well as Taj has, it would be a no-brainer to play him more. But he looks lost out there. I think it’s an easily fixed problem, but he’s gotta actually fix it first.
by YaoPau on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, I think JJ
has more potential as a rebounder than Taj, just doesn’t quite “get it” yet. Taj is by no means a great rebounder (in my mind), he just works his ass off and tries his best to box out. But I’m not sure he has the natural knack for the ball that Noah (or the other better rebounders around the league) does.
Ultimately, I think we need a better coaching staff. Not just a better coach, but a better staff. Oh, and some really good players ;-)
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 24, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Taj doesn't know his opponents
and neither does JJ. It’s probably a wash defensively at this point. Taj is just killing on his with his lack of knowing how to play his opponents.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah needs to learn to box out.
The whole team does. Can someone teach Luol Deng to see ball and man? They need a coach. It’s depressing how this team just falls apart after great starts.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's leading the league in rebounding
I don’t think he has anything to do with our rebounding problems.
by YaoPau on Nov 24, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boxing out?
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying he should be better than leading the league?
The guy’s #1 in the world, it’s hard to say he’s doing something wrong.
by YaoPau on Nov 24, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just talk about last night.. they got out rebounded 47 to 27. Thats a team failure.
Are you saying he should be better than leading the league?
Sure why not? I noticed that a lot of Noah’s rebounds are timing or being in the right spot or just being tall. Playing someone like Oden creates problems for Noah because he’s no longer the bigger stronger player. Thats when boxing out becomes your friend. It’s not just Noah it’s everyone. But Noah could have gone to his fundamentals when being taller or out hustling isn’t an option. He had his worst game of the season last night. I think had he made it a goal to say my job is to box out Oden everything else is secondary he would have faired far better. It sounds dumb but putting your ass into that guy and walling him off should have been Noah’s man focus last night.
Let’s be honest the NBA if full of super talent that commits basketball sin night in and night out. When a the ball is shot everyone is looking at it. There are so many leaks to get rebounds.
It’s league wide though.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you should write a memo to the commissioner
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are busy expanding to Europe.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah did fine last night
8 rebs in 33 minutes is going to happen once in a while. Against the best rebounding team in the league, matching up against arguably the league’s most talented rebounder, it’s understandable. Decent even.
Taj and Brad combined for 7 rebounds in 49 minutes. Rose, Salmons, Deng combined for 9 in 111 minutes. Noah’s good, but you can’t expect him to outrebound teams by himself.
by YaoPau on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize he doesn't have help.
But all I’m saying is if he changes his technique on bigger guys like Oden he might have more success. Get low and wall off. He was standing side by side with Oden trying to out jump him.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is huge, strong, with a low center of gravity for a 7+ footer
He can’t be boxed out regularly by a skinny guy. Noah has rebounding fundamentals out the wazoo, it ain’t his fault.
Be mad at whoever didn’t box out LMA. LMA getting 13 boards is crazier than Oden out-rebounding someone.
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
If we have TT healthy no way does Aldridge get 13 rebounds.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
LMA has had big rebounding games against you guys before, which, to me, makes it worse— LMA can do it, but doesn’t.
Although, his rebounding percentage has been way up this year… over 15%. He’s usually a 12%-er.
Whoever it was, whether it was Taj or whoever, wasn’t boxing him out. Noah can only do so much against two of the best, percentage wise, rebounders in the NBA in Joel and Oden (Joel actually set the record last season, all time, for rebounding percentage).
Tyrus isn’t the embodiment of good boxing out fundamentals and rebounding, but he’d definitely help a lot more with his ability, athleticism, and skill.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
n I"m going to climb on the pitty noah wagon and scream...
HE WAS PLAYING AGAINST GREG ODEN!!! #1 pick 2007 the one that was supose to be a bust and that we gush over too much :)
yeah that guy :)
k I"m out.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 24, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is huge, Pryzbilla is athletic
Oden was playing EXTREMELY physical and the Blazers were doing a ton of pushing in th elower backs all night long…..
Refs didn’t help much, but still Noah played ok….not one of his best games.
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ah ha...
you didn’t just describe pryzbilla as athletic did you?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 24, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Meant aggressive…sorry
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
np it was more of a omg laugh than a mockin on....
I think I knew what you ment.
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by faith on Nov 24, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
Sorry, the brain moves too fast sometimes…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When playing Brad Miller he can look athletic.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but true
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many people in the NBA ARE bigger than Oden?
And with Aldridge and Pryzbilla coming on the weak side, it just wasn’t a fair matchup down low.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you shouldn't try boxing them out?
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point...
Noah boxes Oden out (or tries to at least) and Aldridge and/or Pryzbilla immediately get a free run at the basket. Unless you think Taj Gibson has the skills to keep them off the boards too. A good idea to be sure, but we don’t have the personel to match up.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know but Noah can only worry about his man.
I sad that before it’s team effort and even sometimes luck isn’t on your side when the ball goes long. But it’s something the team isn’t doing a great job of and thats on VDN.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*said
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's on GarPaxsDorf...
Without TT we could play the Blazers a thousand times and I’m fairly certain we’ll get outrebounded a thousand times.
I agree with you, Noah is a quality rebounder, best in the NBA in fact, but he can’t compete alone and we don’t really have players who can right now.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you like Ukraine?
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Roybot.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 24, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats all this complaint with rebounding and size
do you see houston complaining they have midgets on the floor all game long? they still manage to scrap for boards and wins. we actually have length yet we’re complaining other teams have bigger men
by sin on Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston better NEVER complain about size...
Every year but this one they trot out one of the tallest players in NBA history.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he boxes out.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Low center of gravity
Chuck Hayes is an anomaly for one thing, and he has a super duper low center of gravity and a thick body. And long arms. He is made for keeping taller dudes off the block and is the only one who has been successful against Oden, in keeping him off the block.
Yao isn’t a very good rebounder for his size, really. Bad hands.
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you can't teach 7 foot 5...
And if you can will somebody please teach it to Taj Gibson?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
career average is only 9.3 per game in something like 38mpg.
Also, career he has just a 16.5% TRB%, which would place him 39th on the all-time list, just behind Erick Dampier. He’s even a worse offensive rebounder, placing somewhere in the 90s on the career list of ORB%. Given that he’s 7 foot 6, and not a walking stick (Bol), or stiff (Bradley), it’s pretty criminal to be as poor of a rebounder as he is.
And it’s not like he’s spent his career playing next to great rebounders either.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
erik dampier is a good rebounder.
and since hakeem’s career TRB% is 17.2, i would call yao a poor rebounder at all.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops, "would not"
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my point was he is poor given his immense size advantage, not poor overall
given that he’s on the court as much as he is, has good bulk, is a very skilled play, and is HALF A FOOT TALLER THAN ANYONE ELSE, he should get 10 rebounds a game just by being in the game for 38 minutes.
He’s doesn’t have anything better than average rebounding skills. but like was said, you can’t teach 7 foot 6.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Box out Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla"
Easier said than done.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Kurt"
…Kurt will step up his production …
Wow! Have we moved that quickly into the Derrick Rose era that we have forgotten Kirk Hinrich’s first name?
by bbmichal on Nov 24, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
keep up
just following VDN’s lead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You must not catch any
of the post game interviews. VDN calls him Kurt all the time.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
by sue369 on Nov 24, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put Deng in the post.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They did
when he had “the mouse in the house”. It worked too. I liked it.
Then Vinny started coaching and everyone acquired VDN.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Derrick, thats a horrible excuse for getting outrebounded..Rodman was 6-8 and he was boxing out and outrebounding 7 footers all day. You got to want the rock more than the other guy, plain and simple
“It’s very hard to rebound when you have someone like 6-6, 6-7 boxing out 7-footers.
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
::sigh::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever,
when you take into account the era he played in and the competition he played against. If we expect everyone to rebound like Rodman, we should also expect them to shoot 3’s like Craig Hodges, score like MJ, defend like Scottie, and elbow like Cartwright.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The players were smart back then.
I hate to sound like a old dude but today’s players aren’t taught what it takes to win. Good fundamentals. Or they get lazy and stop applying them.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
::double sigh::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
quadruple sigh.....hehe, i win
lmao
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous...
Tons of players in the NBA still have good fundamentals. The game has just changed, therefore what is fundamentally needed to compete has changed. Try to keep up grandpa.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First off don't call me Grandpa I'm 28.
The fundamentals are awful in the NBA and have been since they started bring in the High Schoolers.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you hate tattoos.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate neck ink.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Recced..
Neck tatoos are the stupidest looking things i’ve ever seen. Main reason I despise the Nuggets.
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 26, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moses Malone went straight from HS to the pros...
Are you saying nobody that played in the 80’s had fundamentals?
Learn the history before lambasting the league.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the 70 for that matter...
Bceause he came into the league in 74 by the way.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* 70's
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about TODAY!
The coaches have talked about it. You know it’s true! They let a slew of high schoolers in the league and the fundamentals have suffered. WHY IS THAT HARD TO FATHOM?
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Now you are talking about today, but BEFORE you said “The fundamentals are awful in the NBA and have been since they started bring in the High Schoolers” and that predates today… By quite a few years in fact.
Is this really your hypothesis by the way? Kobe, Howard, T-Mac, LeBron, ushered in the end of fundamentals? You don’t even know what you are talking about do you? What fundamentals are lacking exactly and how did the high schoolers allow this to happen?
Also, what coaches say fundamentals are dead? Is there a link you can point to. I’d like to read it myself.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
What fundamentals are lacking exactly and how did the high schoolers allow this to happen?
Were you asleep during the Eddy Curry/Tyson Chandler championship years?
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
That’s your reply?
One guy that’s really big and has a little bit of offensive game, and another who is a defensive specialist?
So I’m supposed to assume that EVERY 7 footer in the 70’s and 80’s had the perfect offensive and defensive fundamentals combination in the game?
How about Mark Eaton and Manute Bol. Both those guys barely ever even crossed half court on offense because their teams were better off playing 4 on 5.
I love this game. Give me more players to compare to the golden age of basketball when every player was complete!
The point is, there are players that suck now, and there were players that sucked then. There are players that are great now, and there were players that were great then. If you want to paint a broad brush stroke over the NBA though and fool yourself into believing that fundamentals aren’t taught like they used to be then go ahead, but learn the history first.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
word up
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you have not seen a complete player until you've seen the Big O
that’s right, Orlando Woolridge. Or the fundamentally sound Hot Rod Williams. And who could ever forget the skill and talent of one Jon Koncak. They simply don’t make players like they used too. No they don’t.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Koncak and Hot Rod were very sound fundamentally. Hot Plate Williams — not so much.
by El Toro de Goro on Nov 24, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, word.
And also, one reason people look back to previous decades as “the golden years” like in sports, movies and music is because NOBODY REMEMBERS THE TERRIBLE STUFF. When you talk about the 1960s in music, all you hear about are Hendrix, The Beatles, The Doors, The Stones.. blah blah blah and people say today’s stuff sucks because we have Britney Spears and Paris Hilton dominating the radio.
Does no one remember The Monkees or David Cassidy or Leif Garrett or any of the garbage that was around back then? Like Khalid said, there is good stuff and garbage stuff in every generation. People only remember the good ones, therefore it seems like the past was all roses. Who’s going to remember Curry or Chandler 25 years from now? Only big bball fans. They’re not going to look back and say, man fundamentals were lost in the 2000s what with the Eddie Curry’s ruling the league and all. They’ll think of Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant and scream that “they just don’t make ’em like they did in 2001, do they?”
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But even the Monkees had
A trippy masterpiece like the Porpoise song, and Last Train to Clarksville.
Hell Stephen Stills tried out for the Monkees….
The 60’s had gobs of good to very little bad…..
Leif Garrett and David Cassidy where in the 70’s when the damn machine took over….
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 60s had a bunch of bad music
it’s just that no one plays it anymore or remembers any of it. You think they’ll be playing Willa Ford songs in the 2030s? Probably not. No one will even remember she existed. That was my only point. There’s plenty of good music around these days, you just won’t find most of it on FM radio.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Willa Ford
Nearly the pop equivalent of Britney, etc? No.
60’s had a ton of ridiculously amazing groups, even if nobody remembers the bad, there was so much more that was good and memorable.
I get your point, and I totally think there’s good music today (I’m a music buff). The problem is the big labels are and have been run to be such a big business based on profit margins, that the “Art” they support isn’t what it was….good bands aren’t getting the labels and distributions they used to get, because all that money’s going to the Lady Ga Ga’s of the world (and Sadly Lady GaGa is one of the better’s of that crap)
Sadly....through thick and thin....
by majoyenrac on Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you name the top five players in the NBA (who produce large numbers)?
If you do, I bet two of them include Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant. Neither went to college.
They don’t teach fundamentals at the college level for the most part man, they teach that stuff in high school and younger. In college they’re teaching you how to play the game as far as reading defenses, positioning and ball movement. Maybe decision-making. But not fundamentals.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 24, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen there are tons of talented prep to pro players.
I’m just saying over all the fundamentals aren’t stress as much because they are more athletic and never had to box out.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im 21
And even I know that players lack fundamentals.Example Lebron james all atheletic and few skill.hes and average jumpshooter and his on the ball D isnt great.Great athelete but he just run players over without getting an offensive charge against him and travels way too much and gets away with it too much.Lebron is good but lack the fundamentals
by T.Moore on Nov 25, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is arguing that some players lack fundamentals...
The point is that it’s no different today than it ever was. Yes, some players lack fundamentals, many more do not.
And honestly if you really want to dig into the hypothesis that somehow players of yester year are somehow better because they are more fundamentally sound, well, it’s a stupid argument. The game has changed, not just the speed, but the friggen’ rules, therefor what is FUNDAMENTALLY needed to compete is different.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 25, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW I'm sure I'm as old as you and I don't see any deterioration in fundamentals in the NBA since MJ
The game is different. It’s faster now that DET/NYK-style physical defense is forbidden. Teams now have much more sophisticated defensive schemes than in the 90s. The players seem just as motivated and just as aware of what it takes to win as they ever have, I think.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And yet, teams still find a way to learn how to win games.
Amazing, isn’t it?
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by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were lots of dumbasses back then too.
That’s the thing with history… we forget most of the crap (which is always about 90% of what’s being done at a given moment) and only remember the good stuff.
Then, we compare it to the present, where we can’t avoid seeing the high crap to goodness ratio, and think things must have been so much better back then.
Sometimes they were, but most of the time we simply don’t recall that for every MJ there are thousands of Steve Stipanoviches and Rodney McRays.
by Sports2 on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Rodman was also an athletic freak, especially in his era...
Not only did he have very good strength, length, and leaping ability…he was pretty quick too…plus, literally all he was asked to do is focus on rebounding and defense
by DRose01 on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Derrick Rose was an athletic freak.
And how come Chris Paul can get more rebounds?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still not 100% yet...
…look at last year’s games if you have any. The difference is stark.
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
by Envy on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul is better...
I thought we all knew that by now.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chris paul
was in college longer,same with darren williams
by T.Moore on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Tyler Hansborough was in college longer than both of them.
Who do you want on your team?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 25, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul and williams honed their skills more before they joined.And gotten better
Rose was there for only one year.Hansborough is pretty irrelevant due to the fact that many people and experts dont think that he can succeed in the NBA from the beginning.
by T.Moore on Nov 25, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are we even arguing here?
I don’t get your point.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 25, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When in doubt
Shout
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 25, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Hansborough
Has the grit and hustle that this team really needs, and have you seen the commercial where he finds the lost dog. CHARACTER!!
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 26, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about "the round mound of rebound"...?? Was he an athletic freak??
NO…..but he applied the fundamentals of rebounding and knowing where the ball was going to be before the guy in the other team did. Souleater is right, the players were smarter for the fundamentals of the game.
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barkley was an incredible athletic freak, especially in his 20's
How many 260 pound+ players have ever had his athleticism and leaping ability? You must be thinking of the fat Barkley at the end of his career.
by Big D on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, aren't the Blazers "todays players?"
They seem to have some pretty damn good rebounding fundamentals. The Bulls are a shitty rebounding team because they don’t have enough talent. They’ve got probably the worst rebounding power forward in the league.
by Big D on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair
Oden is from a different era.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
yeah they never had tall athletic people back then.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'm not even sure if we're having the same conversation anymore.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea what's going on.
Oh thats right I’m a Grandpa let me find my cain.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Cain?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes Joe Cane.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just make sure it's fundamentally sound...
Wouldn’t want you to trip on your face or anything.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
That’s why that guy that can do a 720 dunk is in the NBA and Tim Duncan is busy on the AND1 tour. No fundamentals in the NBA anymore, we only wanna see 720 dunks!
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All of the best players have good fundamentals today
Except for Lebron’s lack of a post game or consistent jumper, most of the best of the best are the best through a combination of athleticism and fundamentals.
—M
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats all I was saying.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone who is 6'4', almost 300 pounds and dominated bigger and taller PF's is an athletic freak.
Does everyone just assume athleticism is only applicable to someone like Tyrus Thomas?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to want the rock! Hustle! Grit!
No, you need some fucking good rebounders. Other than Noah, the Bulls don’t have any. They can box out all they want, but the other teams are boxing out too, and they’re taller and better than we are.
by Big D on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus this team is fucked.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boxing Out
is a lost art in the NBA. Probably because the players are superior atheletes who never had to do it at lower levels. It’s not coaching. Eddy Curry has probably had 20 NBA coaches (including assts.) and still doesn’t do it. Hell, Shaq almost never bothers to box out.
Noah is doing much better at it this year, but if he’s forced to rotate on defense, or help out, he’s not strong enough to move Przybillza. The last 3 opponents each had at least two tall heavy guys. The Bulls personnel can’t compete. Getting TT back will help the team, but he’s not physical enough to help inside. Taj is ok, but he can’t move anyone either.
That said, I think they’ll be ok against the East.
by El Toro de Goro on Nov 24, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it sad?
Every time the ball is shot it’s like a jump ball at the hoop. Good teams create that wall. I agree that part of Noah’s problems were due to having to rotate but still you gotta do a better job.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Spanish know about it.
http://nicekicks.com/images/koc-jun-5-3.jpg
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were never superior athletes in the old days.
That’s for damned sure.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing the entire 90s dynasty is on YouTube, you can watch it and never comment on the current team.
Spare me the sentimental revisionist history. The best teams in the league in every era are the ones that play smart.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe the 90's really happened.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder you're so miserable.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speak for yourself.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing peachy.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you say.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers seemed to be boxing out pretty good last night
I’m tired of hearing people make excuses for the Bulls by blaming their shittiness on a “lack of fundamentals” of today’s players. The Blazers are one of the youngest teams in the league, and they’re also one of the most fundamenally sound. The Bulls are a pathetically run organization that has spent the last decade blowing high lottery picks. That’s why their players lack fundamentals. Do you guys watch any other teams besides the Bulls?
by Big D on Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."------Johnny Kilroy
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry to say this, but i have to admit
I miss bg
i dare you to move.
by dannyp07 on Nov 24, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers own us at the Rose Garden
They still aren’t going anywhere.
It’s not a good night when Bayless enters the game and the first thing he does is attack the rim for a nice layup. That’s what the Bulls had to do all night to win at our pace. The Blazers foul so go out there and launch a bunch of jumpers.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
is this your regular post-game analysis?
should attack more? It’s not as if Vinny doesn’t yell ‘aggressive’ enough?
They can’t, they don’t have the personnel to do it. And it’s not the mystical confines of the Rose Garden, it’s the Blazers team that plays there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 24, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is
the Bulls roster as organized can only come close to victories against different opponents by employing strategies that maximize the effectiveness of what you have to work with as best you can to capitalize on what the opponent gives you. It is not mystical, but it’s not your metric analysis. It’s realist. Little things in each game will keep you competitive. Great metric based players are going to have off nights and there is nothing mystical about superstars consistently having off nights when their opponents employ the correct strategy.
Put another way, my method is an approach to get the Blazers Edge troglodytes to own their own ‘analyses’ of how effective their guys that never play truly are. Put their starters in foul trouble the way other teams defeat the Blazers.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Cobra Commander too!
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
by SoulEater7 on Nov 24, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right as far as foul trouble goes
That might be the blazers’ achilles heel. Taking Oden out of the game through foul trouble completely destroys our paint presence, as Przybilla just doesn’t have the same offensive prowess. He is fundamentally as good or better at defense than Oden, but our offense can’t get great spacing without Oden on the floor.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Przybilla is good
but it is still a level of weakness where he will have to play above and beyond his norm in order for the Blazers to win. That’s the players you have to get to if you want to defeat a team with a superior level of talent. Joel made plays last night. I know he shoots an incredible percentage on shots right around the rim, but made some key shots last night while the game was still competitive.
Look, if Andre Miller wants to start well I am going to do for him what the Blazers are not. Attack Steve Blake early so Miller gets into the game as soon as possible to play the most minutes he wants. It’s another level of weakness that I am happy to oblige if the Bulls just had coaching that is, what’s the word, smart.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 24, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats the word....
dumbass, yes you are one, ding ding ding…
to say Blazers aren’t going anywhere is the biggest ive ever heard someone say to themselves just to make them feel good. and thats you
if you think the blazers arent going anywhere, do you honestly believe the bulls are going “somewhere”. just retarted statement.
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats lie in between ive and ever
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
strictly speaking, i dont think a prediction can be a lie.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Nov 25, 2009 3:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You will be a tree tomorrow.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 27, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NBA Observor, I believe the current Bulls coaches are smart
S as in stupid
M as in mediocre
A as in asinine
R as in retarded
T as in terrible
Seriously, who is out there and currently available with a solid knowledge of both offense and defense that would be the most effective coach to teach and further develop our young players, improve their court awareness and fundamentals while drawing the best out of their individual talents?
It’s obviously not the current crew of weak sisters.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 24, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know a lot of the posters on BaB knock VDN,
but is this group really underperforming? Your bulls stretched the KG-less Celtics to an epic 7 game series, and although the last game was fairly decisive, the bulls had opportunities to make the upset happen. Didn’t the bulls overachieve there, given the apparent talent gap between Boston and Chicago?
This year you lose your most dynamic shot creator, have virtually no post offense and are almost completely reliant on perimeter scoring. Doesn’t seem like the problem is the coach there, but rather the personnel, which leads to the following question:
Should the greatest amount of responsibility for the Bulls’ current record be shouldered by the front office/GM, by VDN, or by the players themselves?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 25, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think everyone knows the answer to that already.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Nov 25, 2009 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's certainly possible
that Vinny isn’t doing a bad job this season, but he’s still a bad coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could blame VDN for the underperforming coaching job he had in those playoffs.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 25, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but who's going to draw these fouls?
I don’t disagree that it’s a solid strategy, I don’t get how they employ it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Salmons had 6 FTAs and Deng had 5
I’m not sure they can write on the board pre-game: “Kurt, go get to the line like you never do!”
It pretty much comes down to Rose getting to the line zero times. But who knows what’s wrong with that kid. We really shorted him by giving him a rookie coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
Do you think a Vet coach would have been that patient with him? Maybe not. He did struggle last season. Maybe a rookie coach can afford to be patient with younger players.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 25, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not about patience, its about teaching
why draft a one and done player who you know needs to learn a lot about running the point guard in the NBA (remember all those stories about people needing to be patient with Rose because it would take him a few years to develop…) and than hire a coach who has never coached before in the NBA? Wouldn’t you want D’Antoni, a guy who coached Nash to two MVP seasons to be the coach? That was simply a huge fail on the Bulls part.
Now, no one can say for sure that VDN is hurting Rose’s progress. But in my opinion, VDN hasn’t built the offense around getting Rose involved enough. Its like we have 3 equal perimeter players on offense. We don’t. Rose is superior to all 3 when you look past the numbers. The Bulls have the to find a way to get the ball in his hands attacking 100% of the time. Especially this year without Gordon. And if VDN can’t do that, he isn’t doing a good job.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 25, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well
Wouldn’t you want D’Antoni, a guy who coached Nash to two MVP seasons to be the coach?
You realize Derrick won Rookie of the Year with VDN as coach? To say that D’Antoni coached Nash to two MVP’s doesn’t really do anything for me. Look at the season Nash is having now very MVPish. Maybe he makes a little bit of a difference I don’t know. I haven’t been a fan of D’Antoni and his sideline antics.
Who knows.. really I just believe that they brought VDN in because he’s cheap and from the same system. I don’t think they have him as there long term fixture as the Bulls head coach. If you believe that coaches have that much of an effect on players, I don’t. If you’re good you’re good.
Del Harris coached Kobe his first couple of years. I don’t think Rose has been set back but a better group of players and coaches with plays couldn’t hurt. I wouldn’t say VDN has set him back though.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose's numbers would have been outrageous with D'Antoni as coach.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now....
Maybe the team would have been better, but great players play great regardless of who their coach is.
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 26, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is so not true
look at Nash’s numbers before D’Antoni, under Porter, and now under Gentry (who reestablished D’Antoni’s offense). Nash is an MVP candidate under D’Antoni and simply a talented playmaker under Porter. Offenses and coaching do matter, especially for young players.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 27, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose was not a great player last year.
He was very good, but he was not great.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 28, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash is more about the system than D'Antoni
D’Antoni is just the guy that drills into your head just what his system is and how it works. Genty is not using the same system he had in Detroit with Grant Hill to run the Suns. He was an assistant to D’Antoni and has kept his style now as the head coach.
If you watch a national broadcast for the Suns you’ll likely see TNT or ESPN provide some nuggets from players as to what Gentry is doing this that is very different from what Terry Porter was trying to do last year.
The big problem with VDN and this is largely on management is that the team was good last season when it shifted into offensive gear to maximize their offensive weapons. Now that there is no Gordon the defensive rotations of our opponents are not as clouded. They don’t have to double team anyone. They can play basic 1 on 1 defense to protect the rim and force us to shoot lower percentage shots on the perimeter.
Last year we had the roster for D’Antoni to make it look like an amazing offense. This year we’re doing exactly the opposite because we don’t have the personnel to post an average offense. We have to play stellar defense, at our pace, and setting the agenda the entire game.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year BG just shot over the defense.
Then they used the pick and roll for Rose to try and break down the defense. Or iso. As far as this season I would love to see deng at the 4 and in the post.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 25, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A hopeful outcome
Deng starts at the 4 and James Johnson starts at the 3. I think it has to happen when you’re defense just isn’t getting it done and your big front line is getting owned on the glass. It’s the small lineup I want to see that will create the most opportunities to initiate contact.
Noah/Miller
Deng
Johnson
Salmons
Rose
If we had the chance to draw fouls the Blazers are one of the best teams to deliver them. They’re second in the league at handing them out and first in the league at drawing them. However, we are 28th in the league at drawing them and last in the league at handing them out.
We do miss Tyrus who shows us that natural athletic talent does matter in the league and I would still classify Tyrus as an average player at attacking the rim with the skillset he possesses.
Utah is going to be a good game to get Johnson in the game and the best chance to get Taj far from it. Utah is a good defensive team, they do foul, and they play at a pace that is suited to how we can win games. So if we need a chance to exploit an underperforming Carlos Boozer tomorrow night is a great chance. Just do it VDN.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 25, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure James Johnson can do anything
Though I see your point: against the Blazers it’s such a tall order anyway, might as well try something different.
Vinny knows he can’t coach like that. He needs wins to keep his job. Why take a chance? Just play your top guys into the ground, and say you don’t have the horses when they fall short.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the main problem with VDN. He knows he needs to win now to keep his job.
and so he is afraid to innovate or experiment with less experienced players. This fear factor results in too many minutes for veterans regardless of how they are performing or mismatched on a particular night. Remember game 7 against the Celtics when it was obvious that Miller was gassed. Gordon needed a breather and the Celtics destroyed the Bulls in the 4th quarter? I’m not saying Tyrus could have pulled it out but his fresh legs and ability to sometimes go on a hot streak may have made a big difference.
I know Taj has more court savvy than JJ, but so what? I give him an A for effort but a D for results. Why not give JJ who has superior athleticism a chance to learn on the job? Is there anyone out there that thinks he has less potential than Gibson? Can’t Vinny introduce some sets that will get Rose to the line more often? There is no excuse for someone of his ability to have zero free throws in 38 minutes. Do we have to see the season sink into the tar pits to protect our dinosaur management team from admitting the choice of Vinny instead of an experienced NBA coach was doomed to fail before it even got off the ground?
Tell me the old cliche that “experience is the best teacher” is no longer valid.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 25, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to mention when the ship started to sink he replaced Miller with Hunter instead of Tyrus in game 7.
As I reflect I have to admit that move was a stroke of sheer genius…but then some say I am a certified brain damaged moron so maybe there was a better option?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by T.Moore on Nov 25, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i still cant get the hang of the link thing
by T.Moore on Nov 25, 2009 6:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hard to click on the chains icon
In between the purty tree and the blue quotes.
by NittanyCub on Nov 25, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or putting a space after a period.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been more dissapointed in anything than 2k10
Game is F’d in the A
by BigBabyCollin on Nov 26, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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