Two trades the Bulls need to make.
First off to be competitive in 2010 we need to preserve cap space and remain a young and talented team. Both of these trades would help us two-fold. We all know if we can offer a superstar player a max-deal and to play for a young & talented team, that plays in a big market we can entice #3, #23 or #2 to play in Chicago.
I have two moves that can help us achieve that goal. The first step is getting a outside shooter who can keep defenses honest and keep the driving lanes open for Rose. The first trade I propose is a block buster that would improve both teams in area were they are weak.
The Bulls trade Hinrich, Salmons and James Johnson to the Blazers for Blake, Outlaw, Webster and Bayless (for cap reasons). The Bulls get back a back-up PG with an expiring contract who can stroke the 3 to replace Hinrich in Blake. The Bulls also get an expiring deal in Outlaw. Webster has a decent contract and can stroke the 3. He is 6-7 and can play both wing positions which would come handy in 2010.
Bayless is a filler and isn't getting much time in Rip City and wont get much with Hinrich and Miller manning the point. This trade helps the Blazers also. They get Hinrich whom the covet to play alongside Roy. Their 4 gurad rotation would look like this Kirk, Roy, Rudy and Miller (scary).
Salmons would slide to the 3 which is his natural position and fill the hole they have at the 3 spot. JJ makes the deal sweater since he can back up both forwards positions which they need. A line-up of Kirk, Roy, Salmons, LA and Oden is legit. With a bench of Miller, Rudy, Batum, JJ and Joey P!
This trade works using the ESPN trade machine, I tired to post then here but to no avail lol. You can go to ESPN and verify that the trade works lol. Thanks.
The second trade would fill the low-post scoring need we've had since Brand left town and give us a back-up Sf to replace JJ. We trade Deng, who is playing well right now (Sale high), Tyrus, the rights to Omer Asik and a unprotected 1st for Al Jefferson and Cory Brewer. This would give us a low-post scorer with some meat on his bones to play alongside Noah.
A Noah and Jefferson front court would be formidable to years to come. At this point i don't know if Minny gets offered a better package with 2010 looming and teams not wanting to take on salary. Jefferson is not a good fit next to Love and Love is a whole lot cheaper with more upside. We get Brewer in the trade because with Deng and Gomes at the 3 they have no need for a SF that cant shoot the three. Brewer also makes this trade works and i probably would want Gomes instead, but I would be amazed that Minny does that trade, but it does work.
Brewer or Gomes would be a back-up for us and nothing else. Minny gets Tyrus on a 1 year rental and if they like him they can re-sign him as a Restricted FA. This could work out for Tyrus as well and maybe the kid has a Tyson Chandler awakening once he is out of Chicago. TT would also give them athleticism on the front line along with shot-blocking. Minny has a problem filling seat and Tyrus will definitely electrify the Minny crowd with his absurd dunks and blocked shots.
Deng would also fill the hole they have at the wing spot. A front line of Deng, Thomas and Love looks pretty good to me. Plus Minny gets the rights to Asik who at least projects to be a shot-blocking back-up center in the NBA next season. They would go into the draft with (2) 1st rounders, the rights to Rubio and Asik and cap room and a good young roster. They could easily get a piece to fill that hole at the SG spot with all those assets. This trade works out for everyone involved.
This trade also works using ESPN trade machine. I had the same problem with the the trade machine link, but the trade works.
These trades would give a lineup of the following:
PG - Rose / Blake / Bayless
SG - Webster/ Bayless / Pargo
SF - Outlaw / Brewer or (Gomes) / Webster
PF - Jefferson / Gibson /Noah
C-Noah/ Miller/ Jefferson / Gray
This team would competitive to make it into the playoffs and cause damage. We would drastically improve our 3 pt shooting adding Blake and Webster along with Outlaw who is at least better that Deng. Jefferson would draw double teams which would get out shooters more looks and Rose would have plenty of lanes to drive or teams would pay. Last but not least these trades give us cap space for 2010.
If the Bulls pick the team options for Bayless and Brewer they will go into the summer of 2010 with a roster of 7 paying $33,588,096 (Salaries courteous of NBAdraftexpress.com). With a salary cap of $50 million we would have $16, 411,904 to offer a player in the first year of his deal. If we do not pick up the options on Brewer and Bayless then we would have $22,407,624 in cap space. Hopefully the cap is around 52 to 53 Million and we can keep both Bayless and Brewer while maintaining around 18 to 20 million in cap-space.
With a good playoff run this team would be at least be able to get D-Wade, Bron or Joe Johnson thinking about the possibility of playing for Chicago. If we cannot pull this off or something similar the cancel 2010. Look at how the line-up would look with Wade or Lebron.
Rose, Webster, James, Jefferson and Noah or,
Rose, Wade, Webster, Jefferson and Noah.
We would win championship until Wade or James could no longer walk. Ahhh, a man can dream right? Pax and Gar would never pulls this kind of trade off. Thank GOD for NBA2K10 lol.
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if the bulls made this deal,
it would imply that they’re completely flushing this season down the toilet. Outlaw is the best player you would be getting from that deal, and unfortunately he’s out for most of this season. So essentially you’re downgrading your backup 1/2 and the starting 2. Webster is nice but he’s got virtually nothing offensively to provide you outside of streaky shooting. As a blazer fan the upgrades we would be getting would far outweigh the loss of Bayless, at least in the short run. And frankly, I don’t think we want James Johnson at all, he’s worse than Dante Cunningham who’s rotting away on our bench. I’d do Kirk plus Salmons for the four blazers you mentioned.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
I think illwill is implying
we have to do both trades or neither, in which case the best player we are getting back is Al Jefferson.
yeah,
The trade is meaningless unless we get Jefferson. The trade to the Blazers downgrades us, but gives us a guy who can at least shoot some threes and allows us to ditch Kurt’s contract…essentially that trade allows us to trade for Jefferson and keep our 2010 hopes alive
Oh ic.
that’s not such a bad trade then. Only problem is your still terribly weak at the wings, so you would be completely reliant on Rose plus Noah/Jefferson to carry you to the playoffs, because Outlaw would be down for most of the season, and Webster can’t do anything but spot up and catch alleyoops.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
They have him coming off the bench lol.
If they could replace him with Kirk I am sure they can find someone to take his bloated contract.
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yeah, always the same thing: works on trade machine, doesn't work on real life
Blazers would not do it.
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 26, 2009 5:02 AM CST up reply actions
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A Noah Jefferson frontcourt would be amazing! I have no idea why Minnesota would do this though…maybe if Jefferson were older and they were trying to stay young, but unless Tyrus comes back a beast, I see this trade as doubtful
I know I was reading Minny blog and heard some unhappiness with their fans
I see this trade as away of putting a team together that all we would have to do is add Lebron or Wade and stir. If we the org don’t do a couple of trades like this then we are done before 2010 even begins. Why would a superstar leave more money on the table for worse situation. Players want an organization that is going to make calculated risk to build a good team.
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I like trade 1
But not so much trade 2…we’d be completely decimated (should keep Salmons or Deng), and Al Jefferson hasn’t quite been the pre injury version yet…..not to mention he can’t defend a snail….
Too much to give up to not get much better.
I’d do trade one, but I think we should try to nab David West if he’s available (aka the better Boozer)…
Sadly....through thick and thin....
I’d rather have Boozer than West too…both suck at D but Boozer is a better low post scorer and rebounder.
I actually don’t mind either of those deals up top…but we wouldn’t have a SG. Webster is a natural SF
So it's time again: Paxson dug another hole(having no explosive scorer) and now it's time to fill it back up so we can finish the season somewhere near .500
Wow! progress!
This will be interesting because finding scorers don’t come easy, unless you compromise accepting undesirables (Stephen Jackson, Zac Randolph, Allen Iverson types)
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first of all
the nba trade machine doesnt work. i traded lebron james to the bulls for tyrus thomas and kirk hinrich. there is no way the timberwolves are going to trade al jefferson. he is young has a small contract and is playing very well.
I'd like to see the Bulls target struggling franchises (economically and record-wise) for their young stars
particularly Al Jefferson (like you mention) and Kevin Martin of the Kings.
The Kings Kevin Martin has become pretty much obsolete with Evans now on the roster. Additionally, the Maloofs are losing money big time. They just folded their WNBA franchise, Vegas always does poorly in a down economy, and KMart is long term salary who isn’t as valuable as they thought when they signed him.
An added bonus is that the Kings have already shown they are perfectly fine getting fleeced by the Bulls.
I’d offer some combination of Salmons/Hinrich/Tyrus to make it happen. If you could get both guys, than you don’t really need to bank on 2010.
These two trades work on the trade machine -
Bulls trade Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James and #1 pick (top 10 protected this season)
Kings trade Kevin Martin to the Bulls
The Kings do this trade because they have a younger, cheaper option at the 2 already with Evans (and the guy is absolutely a 2). They are losing money and with James they get immediate salary relief, a chance to retain Tyrus if they like and a pick to help rebuild.
The Bulls get one of the most efficient 2 guards in the NBA, a great scorer and shooter and a guy who fits well with Rose offensively (lets not worry about defense right now…).
Second trade -
Bulls trade Miller, JJ and Salmons to theT-Wolves.
Minnesota trades Jefferson, Wilkins and Jawai to the Bulls.
Minnesota does it because they desperately need wing scoring. Corey Brewer on his best night looks like Salmons on his worse. They also get out from under Jefferson’s contract because, again, he plays the same position as a younger, productive, less injury prone Love. JJ is a throw-in to even out the talent. Wilkins sucks. I know nothing about Jawai except that he makes the trade work on the trade machine.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions
I posted too soon
If we could make this happen, I would be totally willing to scrap 2010. 3 youngish players on long-term contracts who seem to fit reasonably well together (Martin-Deng-Jefferson). 2 guys on rookie deals who show big time promise (Rose and Noah). And we don’t even lose the gruff and hustle of Taj and Hinrich (because who else would want it?).
At this point trading for Jefferson or Martin seems more likely than signing a top tier free agent in 2010.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 24, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
love that lineup. if rose could either shoot the 3 or learn how to defend, the lineup has good balance.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
also, funny if the bulls did that they would have completely changed identities twice in 9 months.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
That is exactly my point
In the NBA all small market teams that cannot win (Minnesota and Sacramento) will almost be forced to trade away their assets because they will get tired of losing (KG and Gasol). If the Bulls have the balls to flex their big market muscle some of these players can be had.
If we can trade for Martin that would be just as good as trading for Jefferson in my opinion, because he fills the hole at the 2 guard that we have. Kirk for Martin works on the trade machine, but I am sure we would have to include a unprotected 1st and maybe send Salmons for the contract of Noce or Beno.
I would rather take back Noce, but then we would have to trade Deng for expirings and I would be cool with that.
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how about
tyrus thomas and john salmons plus picks
for
nick collison and kevin durant
don't let the bed bugs bite
then
trade deng for a another guard (expiring)
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls would do that in a heartbeat
but unfortunately Durant will be a top 5 player in 3 to 5 years, so I doubt OKC does that trade.
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Unreal!
Man, somebody shut down the trade machine…
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 26, 2009 5:04 AM CST up reply actions
oooo
burn! oh wait…
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Nov 27, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah money wise, but not talent wise.
Why in the hell would LA trade Kobe for anyone in the NBA besides Lebron? When I post trades I try to make them as realistic in value as possible. Once i purposed Deng, Noah, a unprotected 1st and the rights to Asik for Al Jefferson and got blasted.
I then ask if i am Minny why would I trade Jefferson, who is a 20 and 10 Center and not get Noah who is a 11 and 11 Center in return. Unless you have a Gasol salary dump then the trade almost has to have equal value.
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